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"Icono Clast" |
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02 Sep 2005 05:04:56 AM |
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Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
2. Communications are out. They have not equipped aircraft with loud
speakers that could inform those on the ground on what's goin' down.
3. Uniformed personnel have been ordered to "stop the looting" when
they could/should be helping the victims, i.e., protecting property
in preference to lives.
The victims are our fellow citizens of the United States of America.
Most of the stranded are poor and Black because, for the most part,
they ARE Black and poor. Were they neither poor nor Black, would the
rescue efforts differ?
The breaking levee happened, in part, because of your tax cuts. Are
you enjoying watching the tragedy on the new television set made
possible by your lower tax bill.
I am appalled and disgusted by the obvious lack of concern for our
fellow citizens being demonstrated by the Bush Administration.
[Ed Jay posted the following:]
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the
Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken.
<http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23F158BB>
Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bush administration funding cuts forced
federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and
pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane
Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.
The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that
handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage
in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had
flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years.
<http://tinyurl.com/bynbc>
Zhu De wrote:
God help these people
It already did! Now it's our turn: http://redcross.org.
___________________________________________________________________
Thank God I'm an Atheist.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 11:52:19 PM |
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Icono Clast <"IClast at SFbay Net"> wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
LOL! Since when?!?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 10:38:12 PM |
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Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net> wrote in
news:1125655524.f315c75df5ec9cfe2ef0b6660ab7217d@teranews:
The breaking levee happened, in part, because of your tax cuts. Are
you enjoying watching the tragedy on the new television set made
possible by your lower tax bill.
Why is it the fault of the tax cuts? Why isn't it the fault of the
$3,638,000 for the Appalachian Fruit Laboratory in Kearneysville, the
$1,700,000 for the International Fertilizer Development Center, or the
rest of the estimated $27.3 billion in pork-barrel projects in the 2005
budget?
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the
Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken.
<http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23F158BB>
Finding a prophetic statement by the Army Corp of Engineers is like
finding a prophetic statement from Nostradamus. They want so much that
blank check for the Corp would just about bankrupt the nation. As for
the budget cut? It was a cut from $4,500,000,000 to $4,000,000,000.
Again, why is the blame on the administration for not taking more money
out of the paychecks of the taxpayers instead of on the Corp for spending
its $4 billion annual budget more efficiently?
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Stephen
www.CatholicWithoutApology.com
www.ConservativeChristian.us
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| User: "Stephen" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 10:41:18 PM |
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Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net> wrote in
news:1125655524.f315c75df5ec9cfe2ef0b6660ab7217d@teranews:
As for the subject line, there is no conflict between "property rights" and
"human rights." "Property" has no rights itself. A "property right" is
the right of humans to their own property. God had ten directives for
Moses, and two of those were about property. The right to one's own
property doesn't conflict with human rights; it IS a human right.
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Stephen
www.CatholicWithoutApology.com
www.ConservativeChristian.us
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
05 Sep 2005 12:31:35 AM |
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Icono Clast wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
Well no. "Within 2 1/2 years after Abraham Lincoln's inauguration
in 1861, the new Republican administration would 1) strike a blow
against property and planter wealth by freeing the slaves in the
Confederate states; 2) impose the first U.S. income tax; 3) take on
what would total $2.5 billion of debt to finance the Civil War; and
4) inflate prices some 75% from 1861 to 1864 by suspending the
currency's gold convertibility and printing up huge quantities of
non-convertable greenbacks" -- Phillips, Kevin. The Politics
of Rich and Poor. New York: Harpers-Collins, 1990. p.103
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| User: "fester" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
03 Sep 2005 10:35:08 AM |
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Icono Clast wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
2. Communications are out. They have not equipped aircraft with loud
speakers that could inform those on the ground on what's goin' down.
3. Uniformed personnel have been ordered to "stop the looting" when
they could/should be helping the victims, i.e., protecting property
in preference to lives.
The victims are our fellow citizens of the United States of America.
Most of the stranded are poor and Black because, for the most part,
they ARE Black and poor. Were they neither poor nor Black, would the
rescue efforts differ?
The breaking levee happened, in part, because of your tax cuts. Are
you enjoying watching the tragedy on the new television set made
possible by your lower tax bill.
I am appalled and disgusted by the obvious lack of concern for our
fellow citizens being demonstrated by the Bush Administration.
I'm appalled and disgusted as well, but at the people who are responsible for
the reprehensible acts you cited above. The police force and initial helicopter
missions and all the other first response activities were directed by the MAYOR!
The man is an incompetent, corrupt villain who has been spending his time
doing his best to deflect blame on to others and looking after his own ***** and
the carcass of the selected few he values. Nagin is an abomination!
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| User: "Ace" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 05:27:12 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
2. Communications are out. They have not equipped aircraft with loud
speakers that could inform those on the ground on what's goin' down.
3. Uniformed personnel have been ordered to "stop the looting" when
they could/should be helping the victims, i.e., protecting property
in preference to lives.
The looters are armed and are threatening and even killing people, you
hapless moron.
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Steve
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 07:33:53 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:27:12 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
Why isn't more being done to get those people out?
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| User: "Ace" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 09:36:31 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:33:53 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:27:12 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
Why isn't more being done to get those people out?
What are you doing to get people out?
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Steve
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 09:44:18 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:36:31 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:33:53 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:27:12 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
Why isn't more being done to get those people out?
What are you doing to get people out?
Besides sending my money? What are YOU doing? Sitting on your *****,
counting your cash and watching them die?
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| User: "Ace" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 10:08:25 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:44:18 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:36:31 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:33:53 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:27:12 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
Why isn't more being done to get those people out?
What are you doing to get people out?
Besides sending my money? What are YOU doing? Sitting on your *****,
counting your cash and watching them die?
Well, I sent my three small generators along with a group going up to
assist.. ....that's several thousand dollars worth of equipment that
I'm very unlikely to get back.. As a group, we went to walmart and
bought another couple of thousand bucks worth of stuff.. My arm and
shoulder are in a cast so I couldn't go along, or I would have...
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Steve
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 10:12:18 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:08:25 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:44:18 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:36:31 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:33:53 -0400, Louise Mallard
<readmydigs@booknut.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:27:12 -0400, Ace <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net>
wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
What a moron you are... the flood waters are what is endangering
people.....
Why isn't more being done to get those people out?
What are you doing to get people out?
Besides sending my money? What are YOU doing? Sitting on your *****,
counting your cash and watching them die?
Well, I sent my three small generators along with a group going up to
assist.. ....that's several thousand dollars worth of equipment that
I'm very unlikely to get back.. As a group, we went to walmart and
bought another couple of thousand bucks worth of stuff.. My arm and
shoulder are in a cast so I couldn't go along, or I would have...
Please take care of yourself.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 08:30:13 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, Icono Clast <IClast@jps.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1125655524.f315c75df5ec9cfe2ef0b6660ab7217d@teranews> wrote:
Off topic.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Property Rights vs. Human Rights in the USA |
02 Sep 2005 09:39:19 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:04:56 -0700, in alt.atheism , Icono Clast
<IClast@jps.net> in
<1125655524.f315c75df5ec9cfe2ef0b6660ab7217d@teranews> wrote:
The Republicans have a long history of concern for property rights.
The recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain might be
related.
The tax and program cuts, and policies of the Reagan and Bush
administrations have caused me to wonder whether they have any regard
for human rights.
The evidence is in:
1. Helicopters that could be used to rescue stranded victims, or drop
food and water to them while they wait, are dropping bags of sand to
close the broken levee in New Orleans, i.e., protecting property in
preference to lives.
Nope. It is making a reasonable attempt to mitigate the problem. If
you can stop the flooding you can reduce the problem. This was not at
all a property/people trade-off.
2. Communications are out. They have not equipped aircraft with loud
speakers that could inform those on the ground on what's goin' down.
3. Uniformed personnel have been ordered to "stop the looting" when
they could/should be helping the victims, i.e., protecting property
in preference to lives.
Yes, but there is also a real issue of social order. The concern seems
to be that some set of people are actually shooting at rescue workers.
I can only barely understand this. I can see high levels of anger and
frustration and fear, but that does not lead to shooting your
rescuers.
The victims are our fellow citizens of the United States of America.
Most of the stranded are poor and Black because, for the most part,
they ARE Black and poor. Were they neither poor nor Black, would the
rescue efforts differ?
Probably. I am sure that every national network gave more attention to
the one blond woman killed in Aruba than they have been to the
well-known danger from the levees. I bet that in the last 5 years they
gave less that 15 minutes of air time to that problem.
The breaking levee happened, in part, because of your tax cuts. Are
you enjoying watching the tragedy on the new television set made
possible by your lower tax bill.
Yep, but that is blame we all get, not just the administration. They
take advantage of our desire to get things for free, they did not
create that desire.
I am appalled and disgusted by the obvious lack of concern for our
fellow citizens being demonstrated by the Bush Administration.
So am I, but there is lots of blame to go around.
[Ed Jay posted the following:]
A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the
Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken.
<http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23F158BB>
Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bush administration funding cuts forced
federal engineers to delay improvements on the levees, floodgates and
pumping stations that failed to protect New Orleans from Hurricane
Katrina's floodwaters, agency documents showed on Thursday.
The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that
handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage
in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had
flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years.
<http://tinyurl.com/bynbc>
Zhu De wrote:
God help these people
It already did! Now it's our turn: http://redcross.org.
Give blood if you can.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
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