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Religions > Atheism |
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"david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:38:43 AM |
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proposal: kill all unfit human life |
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racial programs" |
21 Dec 2005 12:32:46 PM |
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David Iain Greig wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I thank you regardless. One of the Johns here was getting quite upset,
and spoke of contacting my ISP.
"never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is stupid
enough to take him seriously"
A different John used to do just that.
Alas, I hear little from him these days.
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At one point, John was trying to have his plonk and eat it too:
John's erroneous beliefs can't hide.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127704575.828237.280060%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Don't make me laugh.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127877013.477499.48130%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
August 2005 John Wilkins:
[Snip David's self-referential links and other crap.
I know arguing with this guy is like attacking a
stone with wet tissue paper, but There Are Lurkers]
Ref:
1990 Lynn Margulis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125116281.603256.38930%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/cd2dc1d948c6a3de
Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135100164.057260.78490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on correlation between human skin colour and odour
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135051524.767332.265230%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135012135.008700.163480%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1853 Haeckel: "slashed his Jewish face about handsomely"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133322829.072134.219980%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
socialism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134062602.861754.124160%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been
controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134792419.066594.291390%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin praise for Rolle, T.H. Huxley, Buchner, & Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134766736.390460.205460%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin on certain "distinct races" of humans being "distinct species"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134742746.958656.6900%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1959 Garrett Hardin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134409165.656045.203660%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
October 2003 Mindreader Mitchell, September 2004 Abner J. Mintz,
March 2001 Paul J. Gans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132706171.902510.319750%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1923 Holmes; parallel between Hitler and [Darwin]"the inferior vitality
of mulattoes is spoken of in a trustworthy work*(5) as a well-known
phenomenon"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1133927305.339964.266320%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1993 Stephanie Forrest on genetic algorithms
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132069993.082818.203300%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
August 2005 Arnold Beichman on "Fascism fantasies"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1125332402.432769.142080%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
John Gibson's 2005 _The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban
the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought_
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595230165/qid=1133883431/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-9159734-8906554?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
Merry Winter Solstice!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1918 Henry Adams on Quotemining and Darwinianity in 1867-8
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133804198.957715.189070%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
BTW, for my Canadian friends, another photo in Svoray's book has in its
caption:
Hitler birthday poster displayed by....
Poster was printed in Toronto, a source for much
neo-Nazi material.
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel was a freethinker/ atheist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133546258.818109.194350%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Haeckel; Haeckel was an atheism-adherent
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter
1's first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Compare
Revelation 1: 8 (King James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%201;&version=9;
I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending, saith the
Lord, which is, and which was, and
which is to come, the Almighty.
See also Revelation 1: 4.
Democrat Sex Harassment & Coverup Guidelines; Willey; Jones; Lewinsky
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.990129001746.1045886D-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1994 "Jews and the Christian Right"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132613751.190925.231150%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O'Hair
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133186735.613068.108090%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
[1871 Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more
frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
[1871 Darwin]"the Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan
stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Is infanticide "evil"?; Reagan; Nordau
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1131387293.922571.147570%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Do you agree with this 1922 Max Nordau?:
==
What are 5 actions you consider evil/ wrong/ bad/
immoral?
Upon what basis/ grounds do you consider those 5 actions
evil/ wrong/ bad/ immoral?
The atheism-adherent and Princeton bioethicist Peter Singer has no
problem with infanticide, bestiality, or killing severely-mentally
disabled individuals.
Do you think infanticide is evil/ wrong?
Do you think bestiality is evil/ wrong?
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Mindreader Mitchell on 2000/06/09: "it turns out that Haeckel... was a
theist"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132777418.869604.128700%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
French persons that rejected the theory of NS
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129861996.983559.40030%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
A Refutation of Socialism Using Socialism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132594096.798616.234250%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
prominent Jews that are bailers/ not-drillers?
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1131677107.289542.229200%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Jesus on prayer
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129821941.584766.101070%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Rabbi Lapin's "In Defense of Christian Conservatives"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1131748480.428356.7430%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Marr, Lagarde and Langbehn, Haeckel,
Plate, Darwin, Goebbels, Marx, O'Hair
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132194665.884388.158410%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Terri Schindler Schiavo story
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racial programs" |
21 Dec 2005 01:43:02 PM |
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In <slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org>, David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I usually have him killfiled myself. But I'm bored. The TV died, New
Orleans is wrecked, there's nothing to *do.
<whine>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racial programs" |
21 Dec 2005 09:08:58 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org>, David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I usually have him killfiled myself. But I'm bored. The TV died, New
Orleans is wrecked, there's nothing to *do.
<whine>
"<whine>"
[Hitler]"Our contemporary
generation of weaklings will naturally decry such a policy and whine
and complain about it as an encroachment on the most sacred of human
rights."
[Darwin]"we shall not hear ignorant members of our legislature
rejecting with scorn a plan for"
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racial programs" |
21 Dec 2005 11:01:46 PM |
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In <dford3-1135220938.780970.128660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org>, David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling
ability can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID
and/or References and will never ever see any more articles from Mr.
Ford or anyone who is stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I usually have him killfiled myself. But I'm bored. The TV died, New
Orleans is wrecked, there's nothing to *do.
<whine>
"<whine>"
[Hitler]"Our contemporary
generation of weaklings will naturally decry such a policy and whine and
complain about it as an encroachment on the most sacred of human rights."
[Darwin]"we shall not hear ignorant members of our legislature rejecting
with scorn a plan for"
Hitler and Darwin are responsible for me being bored?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racial programs" |
22 Dec 2005 12:36:29 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135220938.780970.128660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org>, David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling
ability can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID
and/or References and will never ever see any more articles from Mr.
Ford or anyone who is stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I usually have him killfiled myself. But I'm bored. The TV died, New
Orleans is wrecked, there's nothing to *do.
<whine>
"<whine>"
[Hitler]"Our contemporary
generation of weaklings will naturally decry such a policy and whine and
complain about it as an encroachment on the most sacred of human rights."
[Darwin]"we shall not hear ignorant members of our legislature rejecting
with scorn a plan for"
Hitler and Darwin are responsible for me being bored?
Not that I know of.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
"Iraq"
Saddam URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0505010547.10c7a881%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37nm2uF5gqtjkU2%40individual.net
some atheism adherents' development and use of brutal terror tactics
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128703737.434501.234400%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "josephus" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racialprograms" |
22 Dec 2005 02:56:57 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org>, David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
I usually have him killfiled myself. But I'm bored. The TV died, New
Orleans is wrecked, there's nothing to *do.
<whine>
"<whine>"
[Hitler]"Our contemporary
generation of weaklings will naturally decry such a policy and whine
and complain about it as an encroachment on the most sacred of human
rights."
[Darwin]"we shall not hear ignorant members of our legislature
rejecting with scorn a plan for"
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
David doesnt whine. He is aggressive deceitful.
David Ford is engaged in disinformation. He wants us to believe false
things. He uses Bogus history, Juxtaposition and tries to paint current
science with Nazi crimes. This is just plain LiES. But David posts it
OVER AND OVER and spamms all these NG. It is a borderline violation.
People should IGNORE david. He Is a TROLL.
josephus
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: "biomedical scientists" did 'science' in carrying out "Nazi racialprograms" |
22 Dec 2005 12:55:25 PM |
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josephus wrote:
David doesnt whine.
I resent that.
He is aggressive deceitful.
David Ford is engaged in disinformation. He wants us to believe false
things. He uses Bogus history, Juxtaposition and tries to paint current
science with Nazi crimes.
What is this "current science"?
What are 3 of these "Nazi crimes"?
Do you see any "Nazi crimes" here?:
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slide from devaluing some human life to
a little killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Terri Schindler Schiavo
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
This is just plain LiES. But David posts it
OVER AND OVER and spamms all these NG. It is a borderline violation.
"violation" of what?
Do you think a law should be effected such that it's a "violation" of
law for parents that are adherents of a non-secular religion (say
Judaism) to tell their own children about the parents' non-secular
religion?
1997 Nicholas Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406081943.625bd70c%40posting.google.com
Andrew Brown's comments on Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406131334.2de61508%40posting.google.com
Ronald Numbers on Dennett
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6hihi0pd6bbh9minslv76qrvmrpr3aea7m%404ax.com
Dennett: Baptists ought to be put in cages
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406241903.4c152fe7%40posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407101059.ab87e1f%40posting.google.com
Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O'Hair
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133186735.613068.108090%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
People should IGNORE david. He Is a TROLL.
Don't feed the trolls.
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david ford wrote:
josephus wrote:
David doesnt whine.
I resent that.
He is aggressive deceitful.
David Ford is engaged in disinformation. He wants us to believe false
things. He uses Bogus history, Juxtaposition and tries to paint current
science with Nazi crimes.
What is this "current science"?
What are 3 of these "Nazi crimes"?
Do you see any "Nazi crimes" here?:
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slide from devaluing some human life to
a little killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Terri Schindler Schiavo
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
This is just plain LiES. But David posts it
OVER AND OVER and spamms all these NG. It is a borderline violation.
"violation" of what?
Do you think a law should be effected such that it's a "violation" of
law for parents that are adherents of a non-secular religion (say
Judaism) to tell their own children about the parents' non-secular
religion?
violations of nominal behavior on the net. You post to as many as you
can to TROLL for those who will let you LIE to the LURKERS. You post
lies as a response to critique of your original lies.
Don't feed the trolls.
I dont feed most trolls but you are special case. You post
disinformation. You post evasion by changing the subject discussed,
because people disagree with you. When criticized, you start posting
cut and paste semi-agreements with quibbles. It gets tiresome.
josephus
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22 Dec 2005 08:06:58 PM |
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josephus wrote:
david ford wrote:
josephus wrote:
This is just plain LiES. But David posts it
OVER AND OVER and spamms all these NG. It is a borderline violation.
"violation" of what?
Do you think a law should be effected such that it's a "violation" of
law for parents that are adherents of a non-secular religion (say
Judaism) to tell their own children about the parents' non-secular
religion?
Well, do you?
violations of nominal behavior on the net.
I'm often a society of one, and agree with what Nordau says:
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
You post to as many as you
can to TROLL for those who will let you LIE to the LURKERS. You post
lies as a response to critique of your original lies.
Lurkers are no doubt grateful to you, Josephus, for your trenchant,
perspicacious "critique[s]" of my posts.
Don't feed the trolls.
I dont feed most trolls but you are special case.
I'm "special"! Woo hoo!
You post
disinformation. You post evasion by changing the subject discussed,
because people disagree with you. When criticized, you start posting
cut and paste semi-agreements with quibbles. It gets tiresome.
"It gets tiresome."
Speak for yourself. I'm just warming up.
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Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135178729.788016.144250%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality and the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
ID as a metaphysical research program
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129317540.779352.231140%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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23 Dec 2005 02:23:21 AM |
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david ford wrote:
josephus wrote:
david ford wrote:
josephus wrote:
This is just plain LiES. But David posts it
OVER AND OVER and spamms all these NG. It is a borderline violation.
"violation" of what?
Do you think a law should be effected such that it's a "violation" of
law for parents that are adherents of a non-secular religion (say
Judaism) to tell their own children about the parents' non-secular
religion?
Well, do you?
violations of nominal behavior on the net.
I'm often a society of one, and agree with what Nordau says:
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
You post to as many as you
can to TROLL for those who will let you LIE to the LURKERS. You post
lies as a response to critique of your original lies.
Lurkers are no doubt grateful to you, Josephus, for your trenchant,
perspicacious "critique[s]" of my posts.
Don't feed the trolls.
I dont feed most trolls but you are special case.
I'm "special"! Woo hoo!
You post
disinformation. You post evasion by changing the subject discussed,
because people disagree with you. When criticized, you start posting
cut and paste semi-agreements with quibbles. It gets tiresome.
"It gets tiresome."
Speak for yourself. I'm just warming up.
A philosophical point. I disagree with the disinformation. I am a
programmer and astronomer. But I know somewhat more about Darwin and
science in general. As a skeptic I am agnostic. I would love GOD to
exist but I will not be disappointed if HE does not. I know that some
of the reason you do things is related to the religiosity. It is
painful to recall after you leave it. I have suffered from it and know
it intimately. I had a form of HALDOL PSYCHOSIS. They stopped the MEDS
and things stopped talking to me. This conditions a symptom of more
serious problems. you show signs of this problem.
The good news is I am very sane. But I have all that clinical training.
So I know how it works. The standard for sane is so broad it can have
what a layman would consider insane. But accommodation has to do with
how they function, now how agreeable they are.
so now, this ramble has to do with David Ford. I care that you post
disinformation. It is dishonest at the least, and Unethetical in
general. As a creationist, Christian(?) you violate the general rules
of civil Christian behavior. Lieing is just not Christian.
Disinformation is LIEING. There is NO need to LIE this way, and by
juxtaposition.
An alternate view of this junk you post, is that YOU BELIEVE IT. to be
charitable we generally avoid that as AD HOMIN. but it implies that you
are insane because your view of reality is so far removed from normal.
And the fact that you keep posting the same stuff OVER AND OVER is
obsessive. These things are visible in the manner in which you post.
crazy people are often very bright. I think you are bright, but not as
bright as you think your are.
josephus
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21 Dec 2005 02:00:16 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), David Iain Greig
<greig@ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
On the other hand, if you want to play whack-a-mole...
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
That's kinda like putting warning labels on CDs.
--D. 'no thanks required'
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21 Dec 2005 08:33:59 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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21 Dec 2005 09:02:05 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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23 Dec 2005 09:53:09 AM |
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On 21 Dec 2005 19:02:05 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1135220525.124394.105140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
It is quite remarkable, but the best pizza I have ever had, and I am a
pro-NYC bigot, and I am including Zachary's in Oakland/Berkeley, was
in, of all places, Costa Rica. In the town of Quepos, just outside the
Manual Antonio national park (great place to sunbath and see monkeys
at the same time), was this amazing wood burning oven baked pizza.
Think crust, great cheese, perfect balance. If you go, save room for
their fabulous home-made ice cream.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 Dec 2005 09:55:38 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 19:02:05 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1135220525.124394.105140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
It is quite remarkable, but the best pizza I have ever had, and I am a
pro-NYC bigot, and I am including Zachary's in Oakland/Berkeley, was
in, of all places, Costa Rica. In the town of Quepos, just outside the
Manual Antonio national park (great place to sunbath and see monkeys
at the same time), was this amazing wood burning oven baked pizza.
Think crust, great cheese, perfect balance. If you go, save room for
their fabulous home-made ice cream.
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,talk.atheism
Subject: Re: Nasty truth
Date: 14 Dec 2005 06:36:01 -0800
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 13 Dec 2005 19:31:52 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1134531112.399113.25...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 13 Dec 2005 05:42:10 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1134481330.000902.215...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thurisaz the Einherjer wrote:
david ford:
An exercise: how many parallels in thought between Hitler remarks and
this Darwin can you present for everyone's consideration?:
1. the same old dumbford ***** again
2. even if it were true, it wouldn't matter, for obvious reasons
"it wouldn't matter" to who-- those that died in part because of
Himmler human breeding schemes?
David, have you ever actually talked to the victims of those
experiments?
No.
So where do you get off (and I do hope the phrase is unfortunate)
making these comments?
On the corner of 2nd and H Streets.
Were "those experiments" scientific "experiments"?
Nope.
What changes would have been needed to make "those experiments"
scientific experiments?
Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
I have and, amazingly enough, they have not blamed
Darwin.
Who, if anyone, did they "blam[e]"?
Hitler. Racism. Anti-Semitism. Hatred.
"Racism."
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Anti-Semitism."
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Hatred."
Self-hatred is suggested by:
Hitler thought he had Jewish ancestors.
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128621261.103530.184110%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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"Hitler."
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1923 Holmes; parallel between Hitler and [Darwin]"the inferior vitality
of mulattoes is spoken of in a trustworthy work*(5) as a well-known
phenomenon"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1133927305.339964.266320%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's debt to American eugenicists
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/HitlerDebtToAmerica.html
Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler thought he had Jewish ancestors.
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128621261.103530.184110%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1933 H.J. Muller: "Hitler is said to have studied the Baur Fischer
Lenz
book [_Human Heredity_] very seriously, and to have been won over to
it"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1127262825.691025.245670%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
2002 Allen Barra review of Machtan's _The Hidden Hitler_
http://www.salon.com/books/review/2002/01/14/machtan/
Haeckel re: Jesus; Fest on "Social Darwinism in Hitler's thought"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125598958.059080.62950%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1866 Rolle and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118762703.384545.317610%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
July 1945: "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian
Churches"
http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nurinst1.htm
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
theological disputes among German Protestants; Nazi concentration camps
for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1978 Graber: "homosexuality appears to have been widespread in several
volunteer [Freikorps] units"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126151010.843839.115080%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121399969.441145.63680%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118976003.052269.211420%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
1941 Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118678103.823344.131410%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Paul Johnson: Hitler practiced social engineering
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407070355.27039a45%40posting.google.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
You know, if you actually
cared and you actually had even a tiny bit of concern for others you
could, say, read something they have written on this.
Do you have a lot of "concern for others"?
[snip]
2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126752603.953619.262940%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Nothing at all to do with Darwin.
[snip]
Do you grant that Darwin spoke of the existence of a [Darwin]"survival
of the fittest" and a [Darwin]"struggle for life"?
Which has nothing at all to do with Himmler's comment.
Do you grant that Darwin spoke of the existence of a [Darwin]"survival
of the fittest" and a [Darwin]"struggle for life"?
Do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
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From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,talk.atheism
Subject: Re: Rabbi Lapin on "ethnic Jews whose faith is... Secular
Fundamentalism... drilling holes... in the boat of our culture"
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 15 Nov 2005 15:53:01 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1132098781.430335.324...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
[snip]
Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Do you yet admit that many Christians implemented the Shoah and
that many Christian preachers and priests promoted anti-Semitism
before Hitler, even to the point of encouraging killings?
If you have evidence for those beliefs, I invite you to present that
evidence for my and lurkers' consideration.
You have seen it, I despair of your giving anything any consideration.
"You have seen it"
Perhaps the current lurkers haven't.
If anyone else reading this has the slightest bit of doubt as to the
role Christians and Christianity played in the in the Shoah I am
willing to discuss it.
I do. Let's see what ya' got.
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[snip]
Do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
Nope.
Do you consider Darwin a Darwinist?
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
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There was an attempted genocide of the
Hereros in southwest Africa during the 1904-06 Herero Revolt.
The German commander there, General Trotha, spoke of a [Trotha]"racial
war" when ordering that _all_ Hereros be killed (eventually over 80% of
them died because of the brutal social Darwinist policies). Trotha
commented that [Trotha]"the philanthropic disposition will not rid the
world of the above-mentioned law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the
fittest.'"
During the Reichstag debates over Trotha's social Darwinist policy, the
Social Democrats and Catholic Center Party opposed the racial
exterminations.
See
Weikart, Richard. 2004. _From Darwin to Hitler:
Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany_
(USA: Palgrave Macmillan), 312pp., 205-6.
[Trotha]"law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the fittest'"
Which is not what Darwin actually wrote about.
[Trotha]"law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the fittest'"
[MS]"Which is not what Darwin actually wrote about."
Compare:
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The Origin of Species - 6th Edition
Charles Darwin
Chapter 4 - Natural Selection
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species-6th-edition/chapter-04.html
.....
This preservation of favourable individual differences and variations,
and the destruction of those which are injurious, I have called Natural
Selection, or the Survival of the Fittest. Variations neither useful
nor injurious would not be affected by natural selection, and would be
left either a fluctuating element, as perhaps we see in certain
polymorphic species, or would ultimately become fixed, owing to the
nature of the organism and the nature of the conditions.
.....
As man can produce, and certainly has produced, a great result by his
methodical and unconscious means of selection, what may not natural
selection effect? Man can act only on external and visible characters:
Nature, if I may be allowed to personify the natural preservation or
survival of the fittest, cares nothing for appearances, except in so
far as they are useful to any being. She can act on every internal
organ, on every shade of constitutional difference, on the whole
machinery of life.
.....
ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE ACTION OF NATURAL SELECTION, OR THE SURVIVAL OF
THE FITTEST.
.....
Thus Graba estimates that about one-fifth of the guillemots in the
Faroe Islands consist of a variety so well marked, that it was formerly
ranked as a distinct species under the name of Uria lacrymans. In
cases of this kind, if the variation were of a beneficial nature, the
original form would soon be supplanted by the modified form, through
the survival of the fittest.
.....
Slow though the process of selection may be, if feeble man can do much
by artificial selection, I can see no limit to the amount of change, to
the beauty and complexity of the coadaptations between all organic
beings, one with another and with their physical conditions of life,
which may have been effected in the long course of time through
nature's power of selection, that is by the survival of the fittest.
EXTINCTION CAUSED BY NATURAL SELECTION.
.....
On our theory the continued existence of lowly organisms offers no
difficulty; for natural selection, or the survival of the fittest, does
not necessarily include progressive development--it only takes
advantage of such variations as arise and are beneficial to each
creature under its complex relations of life.
.....
SUMMARY OF CHAPTER.
If under changing conditions of life organic beings present individual
differences in almost every part of their structure, and this cannot be
disputed; if there be, owing to their geometrical rate of increase, a
severe struggle for life at some age, season or year, and this
certainly cannot be disputed; then, considering the infinite complexity
of the relations of all organic beings to each other and to their
conditions of life, causing an infinite diversity in structure,
constitution, and habits, to be advantageous to them, it would be a
most extraordinary fact if no variations had ever occurred useful to
each being's own welfare, in the same manner as so many variations have
occurred useful to man. But if variations useful to any organic being
ever do occur, assuredly individuals thus characterised will have the
best chance of being preserved in the struggle for life; and from the
strong principle of inheritance, these will tend to produce offspring
similarly characterised. This principle of preservation, or the
survival of the fittest, I have called natural selection. It leads to
the improvement of each creature in relation to its organic and
inorganic conditions of life; and consequently, in most cases, to what
must be regarded as an advance in organisation. Nevertheless, low and
simple forms will long endure if well fitted for their simple
conditions of life.
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[Darwin, in the Chapter Summary]"a severe struggle for life.... the
best chance of being preserved in the struggle for life.... This
principle of preservation, or the survival of the fittest, I have
called natural selection."
Compare:
[Trotha]"law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the fittest'"
[MS]"Which is not what Darwin actually wrote about."
Note the [Darwin]"Nature.... she" herein:
[Darwin]"visible characters: Nature, if I may be allowed to personify
the natural preservation or survival of the fittest, cares nothing for
appearances, except in so far as they are useful to any being. She can
act on every internal organ, on every shade of constitutional
difference, on the whole machinery of life."
Compare the [Hitler]"Nature.... she" below:
At
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html
No more than Nature desires the mating of weaker with
stronger individuals, even less does she desire the
blending of a higher with a lower race, since, if she did,
her whole work of higher breeding, over perhaps
hundreds of thousands of years, night be ruined with one
blow.
At
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch02.html
Nature generally takes certain measures to correct the
effect which racial mixture produces in life. She is not
much in favour of the mongrel.
....
Hence we see that a person of mixed blood is not only
relatively inferior to a person of pure blood, but is also
doomed to become extinct more rapidly. In innumerable
cases wherein the pure race holds its ground the mongrel
breaks down. Therein we witness the corrective provision
which Nature adopts. She restricts the possibilities of
procreation, thus impeding the fertility of cross-breeds
and bringing them to extinction.
That Hitler is stripped down from what appeared in
Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
That racists took some
phrasing is quite irrelevant. The same ideas and actions existed
before Darwin and after.
[snip]
[MS]"The same ideas and actions existed before Darwin and after."
Compare:
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
Do you grant that others long before Darwin wrote about struggles,
even struggles for life?
Yes. Darwin wasn't nearly as original a 'thinker' as he would like you
to believe he was.
Refs:
Barzun, 47, 49, 51, 59, 61, 70, 87-92.
1987 Hsu
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a18k3F66sgjpU1%40individual.net
Van Valen denies that Darwin espoused social
Darwinism. I disagree, but I shall not quibble over
the issue. The fact remains that Darwinism has a
social origin. As a recent student of Darwinism has
pointed out, "the extrapolation from Darwinism to
either humanity or society are not separable from
Darwin's own views, nor are they chronologically
subsequent. They are integral" (Young, 1985).
Darwin did not fool all of his contemporaries. I cite
Frederick Engels in my Reply to Schoch's Comment
(above) that the whole Darwinist teaching of the
struggle for existence is but a "conjurer's trick."
Arguments on the basis of the social philosophy of
his time were the basis for Darwin's interpretation of
the history of life, and his theory was then
transferred back to provide the scientific basis in
support of social Darwinism as the eternal law of
human society. "The puerility of this procedure is so
obvious," Engels wrote in 1875, "that not a word
need be said about it."
I wish Engels had dwelt more on the "puerility of this
procedure," so as to show the true color of "the
argument of noise and sneers with which
(Darwinists) tried to put down... everyone... who did
not subscribe to the infallibility of the God Darwin
and his prophet Huxley," as Tristram said in 1860.
Darwin has made mistakes, and his mistakes have
brought misery to humanity. Facing the bias and
obstinacy of Darwinists, I feel almost tempted to join
my colleague, Paul Feyerabend (1975, p. 7), who
proposed to lead "three cheers to the
fundamentalists in California who succeeded in
having a dogmatic formulation of the theory of
evolution removed from the textbooks and an
account of Genesis included."
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Do you understand that Darwin's notion of "fittest" bears no relation
to Himmler's?
What is "Darwin's notion of 'fittest'"?
What is Himmler's "notion of 'fittest'"?
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On 23 Dec 2005 19:55:38 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 19:02:05 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1135220525.124394.105140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
It is quite remarkable, but the best pizza I have ever had, and I am a
pro-NYC bigot, and I am including Zachary's in Oakland/Berkeley, was
in, of all places, Costa Rica. In the town of Quepos, just outside the
Manual Antonio national park (great place to sunbath and see monkeys
at the same time), was this amazing wood burning oven baked pizza.
Think crust, great cheese, perfect balance. If you go, save room for
their fabulous home-made ice cream.
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,talk.atheism
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The weather, I must say, has been strange. We have had some
unseasonably cold weather lately, in the low 20's F not considering
wind chill. But today it was something like 58F. Go figure.
--
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Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 23 Dec 2005 19:55:38 -0800, in alt.atheism , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1135396538.111334.188470@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On 21 Dec 2005 19:02:05 -0800, in talk.origins , "david ford"
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> in
<dford3-1135220525.124394.105140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:26:49 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , David Iain
Greig <greig@ediacara.org> in
<slrndqj42p.ui9.greig@darwin.ediacara.org> wrote:
I'd like to point out that those of you with advance killfiling ability
can simply filter on the pattern 'dford3-' in MEssage-ID and/or References
and will never ever see any more articles from Mr. Ford or anyone who is
stupid enough to take him seriously, ever again.
I should add a X-On-Moderators-Killfile: Yes header line maybe?
--D. 'no thanks required'
They may not be required, but that makes them valuable.
Oh, btw, thanks.
Matt, do you consider General Trotha a Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134570961.050365.219870%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
It is quite remarkable, but the best pizza I have ever had, and I am a
pro-NYC bigot, and I am including Zachary's in Oakland/Berkeley, was
in, of all places, Costa Rica. In the town of Quepos, just outside the
Manual Antonio national park (great place to sunbath and see monkeys
at the same time), was this amazing wood burning oven baked pizza.
Think crust, great cheese, perfect balance. If you go, save room for
their fabulous home-made ice cream.
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,talk.atheism
Subject: Re: Nasty truth
Date: 14 Dec 2005 06:36:01 -0800
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The weather, I must say, has been strange. We have had some
unseasonably cold weather lately, in the low 20's F not considering
wind chill. But today it was something like 58F. Go figure.
Matt, do you disagree with me about any of this?:
1.
The elderly Darwin wasn't a theist
Darwin was a Darwinist (except for when he was a Lamarckian)
Darwin spoke of [Darwin]"the Aryan nations of Europe," [Darwin]"the
Semitic races... the Aryans," and [Darwin]"the Aryan race," and said
[Darwin]"the Europeans... belong to... Aryan stock.... Jews... belong
to the Semitic stock"
2.
T.H. Huxley wasn't a theist
T.H. Huxley was a Darwinist
T.H. Huxley spoke in 1890 of a [Huxley]"blond, long-headed race," i.e.
[Huxley]"an Aryan race"
3.
Haeckel was antisemitic
Haeckel wasn't a theist
Haeckel was an atheism-adherent
Haeckel was a Darwinist (except for when he was a Lamarckian)
Haeckel was a highly influential proponent of Darwinian thought and
atheism in Germany
4.
Trotha was a Darwinist
5.
Goebbels wasn't a 'Christian'
Goebbels was antisemitic
Goebbels was a Darwinist
6.
Hitler was antisemitic
Hitler wasn't a theist
Hitler was an atheism-adherent
Hitler engaged in homosexual activity
Hitler was a Darwinist
7.
Marx was an atheism-adherent
Marx was antisemitic
8.
O'Hair was an atheism-adherent
O'Hair was antisemitic
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1.
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
[1871 Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more
frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
[1871 Darwin]"the Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan
stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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2.
T.H. Huxley's 1890 essay "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/Aryan.html
Huxley talks quite a bit therein about a [Huxley on 284 of my Huxley
book copy]"blond, long-headed race," i.e. [Huxley on 305]"an Aryan
race."
T.H. Huxley was one of the 'god' Darwin's major prophets.
Darwin only talks to and through his prophets.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-37f8trF5cdutnU1%40individual.net
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3.
Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel was an atheism-adherent
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Haeckel's 1895 _Monism: As Connecting Religion and Science: The
Confession of Faith of a Man of Science_ is linked to from
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Haeckel%2C%20Ernst%20Heinrich%20Philipp%20August%2C%201834-1919
Haeckel's atheism/ materialism is clearly evident therein.
See, e.g., 11-13, 53-54, 60, 69, 78, 80-82, 115.
Haeckel, Ernst. 1900. _The Riddle of the Universe: At the
Close of the Nineteenth Century_, translated by Joseph
McCabe. (NY: Harper & Brothers Publishers), 391pp. On 328:
....on familiar principles of science, we put aside the
notion of supernatural conception through an
"overshadowing of the Most High" as a pure myth....
The statement of the apocryphal gospels, that the
Roman officer, Pandera, was the true father of
Christ, seems all the more credible when we make a
careful anthropological study of the personality of
Christ. He is generally regarded as purely Jewish.
Yet the characteristics which distinguish his high
and noble personality, and which give a distinct
impress to his religion, are certainly not Semitical;
they are rather features of the higher Arian race,
and especially of its noblest branch, the Hellenes.
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4.
Trotha
Section closing out this post.
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5.
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
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Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
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One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....
In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
....we are forever members of the Aryan race. .... Aboriginal
man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the lie....
The nations that have been the first to see through the Jew and
have been the first to fight him are going to take his place in the
domination of the world.
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6.
Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
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Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
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7.
Marx, Karl. 1959. _A World without Jews_, translated from the
original German, with an introduction and an epilogue by Dagobert D.
Runes, fourth, enlarged edition (New York: Philosophical Library),
83pp. On 37 and 45 this appears in enlarged, bolded characters:
Let us look at the real Jew of our time; not the Jew of the
Sabbath, whom Bauer considers, but the Jew of everyday
life.
What is the Jew's foundation in our world? Material
necessity, private advantage.
What is the object of the Jew's worship in this world?
Usury. What is his worldly god? Money.
Very well then; emancipation from usury and money, that
is, from practical, real Judaism, would constitute the
emancipation of our time.
....
The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of
society from Jewry.
Marx in a 30 July 1862 letter to Engels, criticizing political opponent
Ferdinand LaSalle, a French Socialist:
I now see clearly that he is descended, as the shape of
his head and his hair clearly indicate, from the Negroes
who were joined to the Jews at the time of the exodus
from Egypt (unless it was his mother or paternal
grandmother who mated with a Negro). But this mixture
of Judaism and Germanism with a negro substance as a
base was bound to yield a most curious product. The
importunity of the man also is negroid.... One of the great
discoveries of this Negro, which he confided to me, is that
the Pelasgians are descended from the Semites. His
main proof is that, according to the Book of Maccabees,
the Jews sent messenger to Greece to ask for help and
appealed to their tribal relationship....
I got the quote from
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Re: the Marx words, [Marx]"curious product" up appears in
Johnson, Paul. 1988. _Intellectuals_ (USA: Harper & Row,
Publishers), 385pp., 62,
as a different translation, e.g.:
[Marx]"extraordinary hybrid" instead of
[Marx]"curious product,"
and
[Marx]"crossed with a *****" instead of
[Marx]"mated with a Negro."
Both translations have these words:
[Marx]"descended... from the Negroes."
Johnson gives the letter's date, and cites _Karl Marx--Friedrich Engels
Werke_ (East Berlin, 1956-68), vol. xxx, p. 259.
Marx, Karl. _The Essential Marx: The Non-Economic
Writings-- A Selection_, edited, with new translations, by
Saul K. Padover (New York: New American Library,
1978), 438pp., 297-304, which in turn came from Marx's
_The Holy Family_, with Engels (1845, Moscow 1956),
167-177. On 304, the last line of this particular selection
of _The Holy Family_:
Like Owen, the more scientific French communists,
Dezamy, Gay, and others, developed the teaching of
materialism [i.e. atheism] as the teaching of real
humanism and the logical basis of communism.
On 301:
[Marx is characterizing the views of Hobbes]
Since only what is material is perceptible, knowable,
nothing is known of the existence of God. .... Man
is subject to the same laws as nature; might and
freedom are identical.
On 300:
Pierre Bayle not only prepared the reception of
materialism and the philosophy of common sense in
France by shattering metaphysics with his skepticism.
He heralded atheistic society, which was soon to
come to existence, by proving that a society consisting
only of atheists is possible, that an atheist can be a
respectable man, and that it is not by atheism but by
superstition and idolatry that man debases himself.
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[Wolfe in _The New Republic_]"She [O'Hair] was dictatorial,
irresponsible, racist, overbearing, corrupt, anti-Semitic, homophobic,
anti-Catholic, and at times criminal. .... this crudely embarrassing
atheist [i.e. O'Hair]"
[O'Hair to her father]"the Jews in big business are running this
country into the ground."
[O'Hair to her son William, after slapping him hard in the
face]"Listen, kid, the United States of America is nothing more than a
fascist slave labor camp run by a handful of Jew bankers in New York
City."
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Mindreader Mitchell:
Or every time you've made or cited
one of your posts with parallel quotes you think sound similar from
Hitler and someone whose ideas you don't like.
I agree with the Dawkins observation herein:
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
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Or most of your posts
attacking Darwin. If you claim you aren't implying that some person,
people, or set of ideas are wrong because of your invidious
comparison, you're lying or lacking in understanding of English
rhetoric.
"or set of ideas are wrong"/ incorrect
The atheism viewpoint is incorrect:
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
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On the Origin of Life
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Darwin's theory of natural selection is incorrect:
Essay on Problems with Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection
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1952 Goldschmidt on the theory of NS's "crazy-quilt" prediction
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historical background to rise and fall of the Synthetic Euphoria; 1936
A. Franklin Shull
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[Kenneth J. Hsu, _The Great Dying_ (1986), 281-2. An entire
paragraph.]"It is time to awaken to the absurdity of the idea of
natural selection. Ernst Chain, a Nobel laureate in biology,
spoke bravely: 'To postulate... the development and survival of
the fittest... seems to me a hypothesis based on no evidence and
irreconcilable with the facts.... It amazes me that [it is]
swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time,
by so many scientists without a murmur of protest.' "
[Hsu, _The Great_, 282. Next paragraph, in its entirety.]"The
hypothesis based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts
was swallowed so readily, I think, because we would like to
believe it. The only natural thing about the 'natural law' of
the survival of the fittest is that it corresponds in some degree
with human nature. We have been competitive; we have
exterminated others, both our own and other species, whom we
perceive to be inferior, or at least of no account; and we would
like to feel justified in such endeavors. But the history of
life can provide a scientific basis neither for capitalism nor
for socialism, neither for Marxism nor for racism nor for the
Maoism of ceaseless revolution. The opinion that 'favored races'
are preserved in a struggle for existence was a speculation that
has become a dangerous ideology. We should cease to lend it a
cloak of scientific respectability."
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
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There was an attempted genocide of the
Hereros in southwest Africa during the 1904-06 Herero Revolt.
The German commander there, General Trotha, spoke of a [Trotha]"racial
war" when ordering that _all_ Hereros be killed (eventually over 80% of
them died because of the brutal social Darwinist policies). Trotha
commented that [Trotha]"the philanthropic disposition will not rid the
world of the above-mentioned law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the
fittest.'"
During the Reichstag debates over Trotha's social Darwinist policy, the
Social Democrats and Catholic Center Party opposed the racial
exterminations.
See
Weikart, Richard. 2004. _From Darwin to Hitler:
Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany_
(USA: Palgrave Macmillan), 312pp., 205-6.
[Trotha]"law of Darwin's, the 'struggle of the fittest'"
Compare
Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
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1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
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Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the Final
Solution
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1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
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