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Religions > Atheism |
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"david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:38:43 AM |
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proposal: kill all unfit human life |
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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| User: "Nightshade" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
23 Dec 2005 10:27:05 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:44 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
somebody, could have been Lizz Holmans <dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk>,
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
I would certainly hope so. In fact, I'd extend that hope to
the devout as well, that they enjoy guiltless sexual activity
of many varieties.
Thee *is* nice, isn't thee?
Whateth iseth alleth thiseth Quakereth typeth talketh?
Lizz 'I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever
was' Holmans
Tell me about it: It takes me all night, to do what I used to do,
all night. ...eht.
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| User: "Mike Holmans" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
23 Dec 2005 11:39:02 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:27:05 GMT, Nightshade
<nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:44 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
*is* nice, isn't thee?
Whateth iseth alleth thiseth Quakereth typeth talketh?
Sigh. Somebody else want to explain it?
I am a Quaker. That is the American Plain Speech. It's my mamaloshen.
Take my word for it, I've got it right.
Tell me about it: It takes me all night, to do what I used to do,
all night. ...eht.
Bruce: Wanna shag?
Sheila: Nah.
Bruce: Well, d'ya mind holding still while I have one?
Lizz 'I'll be here all millennium' Holmans
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
23 Dec 2005 11:49:42 AM |
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In article <7cdoq19c9335vs7it1mtgg578fs3j0lg5k@4ax.com> Mike Holmans <mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:27:05 GMT, Nightshade
<nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:44 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
*is* nice, isn't thee?
Whateth iseth alleth thiseth Quakereth typeth talketh?
Sigh. Somebody else want to explain it?
I am a Quaker. That is the American Plain Speech. It's my mamaloshen.
Take my word for it, I've got it right.
Tell me about it: It takes me all night, to do what I used to do,
all night. ...eht.
Bruce: Wanna shag?
Sheila: Nah.
Bruce: Well, d'ya mind holding still while I have one?
For some reason, that's funnier than it should
be.
Lizz 'I'll be here all millennium' Holmans
-- cary
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
23 Dec 2005 04:29:28 PM |
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Mike Holmans wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:27:05 GMT, Nightshade
<nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:44 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
*is* nice, isn't thee?
Whateth iseth alleth thiseth Quakereth typeth talketh?
Sigh. Somebody else want to explain it?
I am a Quaker. That is the American Plain Speech. It's my mamaloshen.
Take my word for it, I've got it right.
Tell me about it: It takes me all night, to do what I used to do,
all night. ...eht.
Bruce: Wanna shag?
Sheila: Nah.
Bruce: Well, d'ya mind holding still while I have one?
Australian foreplay:
Psst. You awake?
Lizz 'I'll be here all millennium' Holmans
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
27 Dec 2005 08:29:42 AM |
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In article <dohtnb$9lg$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
Bruce: Well, d'ya mind holding still while I have one?
Australian foreplay:
Psst. You awake?
I heard it was, "Brace yourself!", Shelia.
Why don't Southern Baptists shag standing up?
People might think they were dancing.
Lizz 'I'll be here all millennium' Holmans
--
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any
charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his
peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totali-
tarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943
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| User: "Nightshade" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
23 Dec 2005 02:12:47 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:39:02 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
somebody, could have been Mike Holmans <mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk>,
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:27:05 GMT, Nightshade
<nightshade@thedeepwoods.web> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:44 +0000, While I was gettin a beer,
*is* nice, isn't thee?
Whateth iseth alleth thiseth Quakereth typeth talketh?
Sigh. Somebody else want to explain it?
I am a Quaker. That is the American Plain Speech. It's my mamaloshen.
Take my word for it, I've got it right.
Gently, Mike, gently.
I am familiar with the Society of Friends, and their preferred syntax.
Hell; I even eat their porridge. (:-)
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| User: "Mike Holmans" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
22 Dec 2005 04:45:02 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:52:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <dford3-1135280415.395844.43390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
No true atheism-adherent would be a racist.
No true atheism-adherent would be an antisemite.
No true atheism-adherent would be an aggressive, unabashed pursuer of
sexual activity with animals.
No true atheism-adherent would be an aggressive, unabashed pursuer of
homosexual activity.
No true atheism-adherent would be a mass-murderer.
No true atheism-adherent would commit infanticide.
No true atheism-adherent would go around killing disabled persons.
Why should the devout have all the fun?
Well, somebody's going to have to take up the slack for my declining
to perform these tasks. Thee might as well do it.
Lizz 'I used to pay a homeless guy to drink for me. Honest.' Holmans
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
22 Dec 2005 05:07:44 PM |
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In article <k0bmq1d360cmfp0k36vuadmhqs8g180bn0@4ax.com> Mike Holmans <mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:52:33 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <dford3-1135280415.395844.43390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> writes:
No true atheism-adherent would be a racist.
No true atheism-adherent would be an antisemite.
No true atheism-adherent would be an aggressive, unabashed pursuer of
sexual activity with animals.
No true atheism-adherent would be an aggressive, unabashed pursuer of
homosexual activity.
No true atheism-adherent would be a mass-murderer.
No true atheism-adherent would commit infanticide.
No true atheism-adherent would go around killing disabled persons.
Why should the devout have all the fun?
Well, somebody's going to have to take up the slack for my declining
to perform these tasks. Thee might as well do it.
You're not the genocidess you once were, or divers mammals no
longer flee at your approach, or you now merely capture the
disabled but then release them again, or what?..
Lizz 'I used to pay a homeless guy to drink for me. Honest.' Holmans
Okay, now that I do want to know about. I can beat his rates,
guaranteed. Or double your liquor back.
Oh: and a[n] [Quaker-appropriate adjective][Quaker-appropriate-noun] season
to you, dear.
-- cary
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| User: "Mike Holmans" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
22 Dec 2005 05:34:37 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:07:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You're not the genocidess you once were, or divers mammals no
longer flee at your approach, or you now merely capture the
disabled but then release them again, or what?..
I quit beating my caro sposo, too. He was never that good at gin.
Lizz 'I used to pay a homeless guy to drink for me. Honest.' Holmans
Okay, now that I do want to know about. I can beat his rates,
guaranteed. Or double your liquor back.
I did, I did. There was this homeless guy sleeping rough on Wilton
Road whom I saw regularly some years ago. One day he asked me for
money and said 'I'm not going to lie to you, I want a drink.' So I
gave him money for his honesty. Every time I saw him he got enough for
a pint off of me with the understanding that it be drunk for my
pleasure. It worked out well.
Then he disappeared for good one day...ah, well. He was no hypocrite.
Oh: and a[n] [Quaker-appropriate adjective][Quaker-appropriate-noun] season
to you, dear.
And a good holiday season for thee and thine as well.
Lizz 'Walla Walla Wash. and Kalamazoo' Holmans
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
22 Dec 2005 06:01:43 PM |
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In article <midmq1d4qijkvelvpv6qs6nvlbg0ne7qm5@4ax.com> Mike Holmans <mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk> writes:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:07:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You're not the genocidess you once were, or divers mammals no
longer flee at your approach, or you now merely capture the
disabled but then release them again, or what?..
I quit beating my caro sposo, too. He was never that good at gin.
Well then, couldn't you give your homeless guy a promotion,
and let him drink for your sposo too?
Lizz 'I used to pay a homeless guy to drink for me. Honest.' Holmans
Okay, now that I do want to know about. I can beat his rates,
guaranteed. Or double your liquor back.
I did, I did. There was this homeless guy sleeping rough on Wilton
Road whom I saw regularly some years ago. One day he asked me for
money and said 'I'm not going to lie to you, I want a drink.' So I
gave him money for his honesty. Every time I saw him he got enough for
a pint off of me with the understanding that it be drunk for my
pleasure. It worked out well.
Delightful. Thank you.
Then he disappeared for good one day...ah, well. He was no hypocrite.
Oh: and a[n] [Quaker-appropriate adjective][Quaker-appropriate-noun] season
to you, dear.
And a good holiday season for thee and thine as well.
Lizz 'Walla Walla Wash. and Kalamazoo' Holmans
"Songs of the Pogo" is out on CD nowq. Performed
with all appropriate over-the-toppery. The
irreplaceable and much-missed Walt hisownself
appears, reading stories guaranteed to keep
your children not only in bed, but quite possibly
under it.
-- cary
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life (He forgot the Bible) |
24 Dec 2005 01:01:56 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:34:37 +0000, in alt.atheism , Mike Holmans
<mike@jackalope.demon.co.uk> in
<midmq1d4qijkvelvpv6qs6nvlbg0ne7qm5@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:07:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
You're not the genocidess you once were, or divers mammals no
longer flee at your approach, or you now merely capture the
disabled but then release them again, or what?..
I quit beating my caro sposo, too. He was never that good at gin.
Lizz 'I used to pay a homeless guy to drink for me. Honest.' Holmans
Okay, now that I do want to know about. I can beat his rates,
guaranteed. Or double your liquor back.
I did, I did. There was this homeless guy sleeping rough on Wilton
Road whom I saw regularly some years ago. One day he asked me for
money and said 'I'm not going to lie to you, I want a drink.' So I
gave him money for his honesty. Every time I saw him he got enough for
a pint off of me with the understanding that it be drunk for my
pleasure. It worked out well.
Then he disappeared for good one day...ah, well. He was no hypocrite.
Been there, done that (the giving part, I have been lucky in my life
and always had a roof when I wanted one). My only request has been
that the money not go to tobacco.
Oh: and a[n] [Quaker-appropriate adjective][Quaker-appropriate-noun] season
to you, dear.
And a good holiday season for thee and thine as well.
Lizz 'Walla Walla Wash. and Kalamazoo' Holmans
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "John Burton" |
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22 Dec 2005 07:53:21 PM |
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david ford wrote:
John Burton wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
Does religious genocide count?
What exactly is "religious genocide"?
Do you agree with me that there's such a thing as a 'secular religion'?
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
There's a lot of that in the Bible, along
with death penalties for things like wearing polyester.
Supporting quotations?
Why isn't that
stuff in your list? Do such things sanctify human life? How so?
I'd need some details before I could attempt an answer.
The Bible calls for capitol punishment in many cases where such would be
considered barbaric by modern cultures (and many ancient ones).
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For disobedient children
Ex.21:15 "He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put
to death."
Ex.21:17 "He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put
to death."
Lev.20:19 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be
surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood
shall be upon him."
For witches
Ex.22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
For Beastiality
Ex.22:19 "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death."
Lev.20:15 "And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to
death: and ye shall slay the beast."
Lev.20:16 "And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto,
thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them."
For worshipping another god
Ex.22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the LORD only, he
shall be utterly destroyed."
For breaking the Sabbath
Ex.31:14 "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death."
Ex.31:15 "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath
of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day,
he shall surely be put to death."
Ex.35:2 "Six days shall work bedone, but on the seventh day there shall
be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth
work therein shall be put to death."
For adultery
Lev.20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife,
even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the
adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
For Incest
Lev.20:11 "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered
his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them."
Lev.20:12 "And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall
surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall
be upon them."
Lev.20:14 "And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness:
they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no
wickedness among you."
For Homosexuality
Lev.20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them."
For Blasphemy
Lev.24:16 "He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be
put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."
For not being a virgin on the night of the wedding
Dt.22:13-22 "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her
..... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not
a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and
bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the
city in the gate.... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of
virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the
damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall
stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in
Israel, to play the ***** in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil
away from among you."
For Rape Victims who don't cry out loudly enough
Dt.22:23-24 "If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband,
and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring
them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with
stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the
city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou
shalt put away evil from among you."
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Bear in mind that this (above) is just the "legal" stuff (God's laws).
If I listed all the atrocities involving killing, the post would be way
too long. Here are a few:
"Numbers 31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with]
the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from
the battle.
15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and
there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves."
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Well, at least they "spared" the virgins, but it does not look like they
were set free or otherwise treated humanely.
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Burning people to death is another theme:
Lev.20:14 "If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they
shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness
among you."
Lev.21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by
playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
Num.11:1 "And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and
the LORD heard it and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD
burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of
the camp."
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And of course there is human sacrifice:
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Genesis 22:2,10 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac,
whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering.... And
Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son."
Ex.13:2 "Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb
among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine."
Ex.13:12 "Thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the
matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the
males shall be the LORD's. And every firstling of an ***** thou shalt
redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt
break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt
thou redeem"
---
I could provide more citations, buy there's probably no point unless you
are interested in specific categories.
John
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19 Dec 2005 02:49:38 PM |
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david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Define "unfit."
Also, define "support." Do you mean you now provide, in the past have
provided, or in the future intend to provide, actual material support
for killing people? Do you want to buy bullets, or do the actual
shooting yourself? Or do you just want to hold them down while they
beg for mercy?
Eric Root
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19 Dec 2005 04:17:34 PM |
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wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Define "unfit."
A very insightful question.
Maybe I'll define [df]"unfit" later.
Also, define "support." Do you mean you now provide, in the past have
provided, or in the future intend to provide, actual material support
for killing people?
These days I express my support for killing unfit human life by, among
other things, voting for pro-choice Democrats.
Do you want to buy bullets, or do the actual
shooting yourself?
Bullets are expensive.
I favor administration of low calorie diets, i.e. starvation.
Much like what happened with
Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Or in Nazi concentration camps.
Or do you just want to hold them down while they
beg for mercy?
Who is "they"? The [df]"unfit"?
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19 Dec 2005 11:51:30 AM |
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david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
You are confusing those who have - for all intents and puposes -
already died with those you simply don't like.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of
science education and a prediliction for violence. Remember that
hand-picking examples do accomplish this. Also please remember that
answering this request does not answer the first, above.
Kermit
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19 Dec 2005 12:08:07 PM |
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wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Do you see mention of "a scientific model" here?:
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter
1's first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of
science education and a prediliction for violence.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Remember that
hand-picking examples do accomplish this. Also please remember that
answering this request does not answer the first, above.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:50:53 PM |
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In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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19 Dec 2005 04:28:35 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
Good answer.
W : )
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19 Dec 2005 04:05:20 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132847220.475151.206790%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1997 Wesley Smith
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 06:12:45 PM |
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In <dford3-1135029920.758596.77200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Who cares?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 10:10:29 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135029920.758596.77200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Who cares?
Indeed.
Darwin on correlation between human skin colour and odour
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/ab9ec611c7943dd5
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:00:41 PM |
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In <dford3-1135051829.082075.283380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135029920.758596.77200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real
ones) have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Who cares?
Indeed.
Then you actually understand that the man's character is irrelevant to the
science?
Good.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:25:02 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135051829.082075.283380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135029920.758596.77200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real
ones) have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Who cares?
Indeed.
Then you actually understand that the man's character is irrelevant to the
science?
Good.
What "science"?
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Belief in spontaneous generation, blindwatchmaking, and mental
spoon-bending is scientific.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291120.41a6d843%40posting.google.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Dec 2005 09:24:03 AM |
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In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135051829.082075.283380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135029920.758596.77200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real
ones) have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy. What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
Who cares?
Indeed.
Then you actually understand that the man's character is irrelevant to
the science?
Good.
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now? Well, aren't
you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could help you with
that.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Belief in spontaneous generation, blindwatchmaking, and mental
spoon-bending is scientific.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291120.41a6d843%40posting.google.com
I bet you think you have a point...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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20 Dec 2005 11:37:28 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now? Well, aren't
you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could help you with
that.
I think you're overly optimistic.
---DPM
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| User: "david ford" |
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20 Dec 2005 02:01:03 PM |
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wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now?
I do. Do you think the [Proctor]"biomedical scientists" referred to
here engaged in [MKB]"science"?:
Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
Well, aren't
you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could help you with
that.
I think you're overly optimistic.
I'm not "optimistic":
1999 Leigh: "creationists and antidarwinians are multiplying"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406141942.49257583%40posting.google.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Dec 2005 05:47:37 PM |
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In <1135100248.028294.262010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
murdock@tntech.edu wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now? Well, aren't
you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could help you with
that.
I think you're overly optimistic.
Well, one has hope...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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20 Dec 2005 05:59:21 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135100248.028294.262010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
murdock@tntech.edu wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now? Well, aren't
you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could help you with
that.
I think you're overly optimistic.
Well, one has hope...
"hope"
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Dec 2005 06:11:47 PM |
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In <dford3-1135123161.517821.323950@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135100248.028294.262010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
murdock@tntech.edu wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
What "science"?
So you have serious trouble recognizing science do you now? Well,
aren't you at an institution of education? I'm sure someone could
help you with that.
I think you're overly optimistic.
Well, one has hope...
"hope"
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Chris Krolczyk" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:40:15 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
-Chris Krolczyk
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