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Religions > Atheism |
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"david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:38:43 AM |
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proposal: kill all unfit human life |
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 09:39:54 PM |
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Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
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| User: "Martin Kess" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 10:54:12 PM |
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Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
Hitler, maybe?
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 10:12:56 AM |
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Martin Kess wrote:
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
Hitler, maybe?
Darwin influenced Hitler.
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 12:02:02 AM |
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In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's
grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more influential
racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll. Can you identify a more
pointless troll than David Ford?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 10:16:45 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's
grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more influential
racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
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John's beliefs can't hide.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127704575.828237.280060%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Don't make me laugh.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127877013.477499.48130%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
August 2005 John Wilkins:
[Snip David's self-referential links and other crap.
I know arguing with this guy is like attacking a
stone with wet tissue paper, but There Are Lurkers]
Ref:
1990 Lynn Margulis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125116281.603256.38930%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Can you identify a more
pointless troll than David Ford?
Nope.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Dec 2005 02:06:13 PM |
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In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a
man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about
Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 03:41:19 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a
man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about
Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain
functions, organisms suited to certain environments, that the word
_design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Dec 2005 08:03:20 PM |
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In <dford3-1135201279.033817.240770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases,
catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing
a man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much
about Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain functions,
organisms suited to certain environments, that the word _design_ almost
unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is
categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to
man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation now
rests on overwhelming factual evidence."
Christian de Duve (A Guided Tour Of The Living Cell, Volume Two, Page 357
Scientific American Library, 1984)
I notice you dishonestly snipped the quote right before Duve says:
"A whole school of thought has been inspired by these appearances of
design, maintaining that living organisms are actuated by final causes, in
the Aristotelian senses of the term. Called finalism, this doctrine is
close to vitalism, the belief that living organisms are animated by a
vital principle. Both views are now largely discredited.
"Design has given place to natural selection. The vital principle has
joined ether and phlogiston in the cemetery of discarded concepts. Life
is increasingly explained strictly in terms of the laws of physics and
chemistry. Its origin must be accounted for in similar terms."
Christian de Duve (Vital Dust: life as a cosmic imperative, 1995,
BasicBook)
So, why did you stop right before that part? Hmmmm?
Could it be? You're deliberately snipping quotes to make them appear to
support your position? Shocking! Shocked I am! Shocked I say!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 09:27:04 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135201279.033817.240770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases,
catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing
a man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much
about Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain functions,
organisms suited to certain environments, that the word _design_ almost
unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is
categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to
man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation now
rests on overwhelming factual evidence."
What are 2 of the stronger lines of this [de Duve]"evidence" turned up
during origin-of-life experiments?
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1985 A.G. Cairns-Smith, 1986 Andrew Scott, 1999 Freeman Dyson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33bltcF3rgbovU1%40individual.net
some 1915-1999 doses of reality
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-33arf3F3vjdggU1%40individual.net
An irrelevant "abiogenesis" paper
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=7kh4g1%244jn%241%40alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
Timeline of Materialism, Spontaneous Generation, and Blindwatchmaking
Views
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-348jecF47mfcjU1%40individual.net
Christian de Duve (A Guided Tour Of The Living Cell, Volume Two, Page 357
Scientific American Library, 1984)
I notice you dishonestly snipped the quote right before Duve says:
"A whole school of thought has been inspired by these appearances of
design, maintaining that living organisms are actuated by final causes, in
the Aristotelian senses of the term. Called finalism, this doctrine is
close to vitalism, the belief that living organisms are animated by a
vital principle. Both views are now largely discredited.
"Design has given place to natural selection. The vital principle has
joined ether and phlogiston in the cemetery of discarded concepts. Life
is increasingly explained strictly in terms of the laws of physics and
chemistry. Its origin must be accounted for in similar terms."
[de Duve]"The vital principle has joined ether and phlogiston in the
cemetery of discarded concepts."
1988 Lima-de-Faria: "The phlogiston, the ether and selection [--] all
three belong to the history of science."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1130159020.075563.15930%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Christian de Duve (Vital Dust: life as a cosmic imperative, 1995,
BasicBook)
So, why did you stop right before that part? Hmmmm?
Could it be? You're deliberately snipping quotes to make them appear to
support your position? Shocking! Shocked I am! Shocked I say!
"deliberately snipping quotes to make them appear to support your
[df's] position?"
What "position" is that?
I take it you didn't look at the link I provided; if someone were to
follow the link, he or she would see this:
de Duve, Christian. 1995. _Vital Dust: Life As a Cosmic
Imperative_ (New York: BasicBooks), 362pp. de Duve
shared the 1974 Nobel Prize for biology or medicine
with Albert Claude and George Palade for their
discoveries concerning the structural and functional
organization of the cell, is Professor Emeritus at the
Medical Faculty of the University of Louvain, Belgium,
founder and past president of the International Institute
of Cellular and Molecular Pathology in Belgium, and
Andrew W. Mellon Professor Emeritus at the
Rockefeller University in New York. He is the author of
_A Guided Tour of the Living Cell_ and _Blueprint for
a Cell_.
On 9-10, the section "Foresight Excluded":
In the making of a Boeing 747, all steps are intentional,
designed and organized according to a detailed blueprint
of the final objective. Things cannot have been the
same in the making of the first living cell. Every step
had to stand on its own and cannot be viewed as
preparation for things to come. This kind of objectivity
is difficult to sustain because we know the outcome and
also because our whole thinking about life is permeated
by intentionality. Cells are so obviously programmed to
develop according to certain lines, organs adapted to
perform certain functions, organisms suited to certain
environments, that the word _design_ almost
unavoidably comes to mind. A whole school of thought
has been inspired by these appearances of design,
maintaining that living organisms are actuated by final
causes, in the Aristotelian sense of the term. Called
finalism, this doctrine is close to vitalism, the belief that
living organisms are animated by a vital principle. Both
views are now largely discredited. Design has given
place to natural selection. The vital principle has joined
ether and phlogiston in the cemetery of discarded
concepts. Life is increasingly explained strictly _in
terms of the laws of physics and chemistry_. Its origin
must be accounted for in similar terms.
A paragraph on xiv-xv:
A warning: All through this book, I have tried to
conform to the overriding rule that life be treated as a
natural process, its origin, evolution, and manifestations,
up to and including the human species, as governed by
the same laws as nonliving processes. I exclude three
"isms": vitalism, which views living beings as made of
matter animated by some vital spirit; finalism, or
teleology, which assumes goal-directed causes in
biological processes; and creationism, which invokes a
literal acceptance of the biblical account. My approach
demands that every step in the origin and development
of life on Earth be explained in terms of its antecedent
and immediate physical-chemical causes, not of any
outcome known to us today but hidden in the future
[I suspect he wanted "past"] at the time the events took
place.
omphalic YEC and blindwatchmakingist parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411270821.29ee3dd9%40posting.google.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 11:03:43 PM |
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In <dford3-1135222024.649638.211740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135201279.033817.240770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases,
catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It
speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain
functions, organisms suited to certain environments, that the word
_design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is
categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to
man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation
now rests on overwhelming factual evidence."
What are 2 of the stronger lines of this [de Duve]"evidence" turned up
during origin-of-life experiments?
Why do you dishonestly edit quotes?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
22 Dec 2005 12:33:51 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135222024.649638.211740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135201279.033817.240770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases,
catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It
speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain
functions, organisms suited to certain environments, that the word
_design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is
categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to
man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation
now rests on overwhelming factual evidence."
What are 2 of the stronger lines of this [de Duve]"evidence" turned up
during origin-of-life experiments?
Why do you dishonestly edit quotes?
What are 2 of the "quotes" I have supposedly "dishonestly edit[ed]"?
Biology has the appearance of having been designed by intelligence.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-36pqk2F55ibnrU1%40individual.net
Dawkins vs. an atheist philosopher
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180756.6c069f04%40posting.google.com
1997 Robert Dorit
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180714.f671793%40posting.google.com
1960 C.H. Waddington, 1964 Simpson
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411180732.d680c63%40posting.google.com
1997 Graham Bell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411251458.7eded865%40posting.google.com
1999 Paul Davies on nanotools in "the intricate machine we call the
living cell"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411271934.2af28f31%40posting.google.com
1988 M.J. French on the buttercup and the locomotive; 1953 J. Huxley
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411251245.129ea4a2%40posting.google.com
1970/1971 Jacques Monod on criteria for distinguishing "products of a
conscious purposive activity"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411151338.444f099d%40posting.google.com
1860 Thomas H. Huxley: "one is almost involuntarily possessed by the
notion, that some more subtle aid to vision than an achromatic, would
show the hidden artist, with his plan before him, striving with skilful
manipulation to perfect his work"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0412011738.4fe29d9a%40posting.google.com
1988 Crick: "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they
see was not designed, but rather evolved."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407251846.6acacaef%40posting.google.com
1995 Christian de Duve: "Foresight Excluded," "Cells are so obviously
programmed to develop according to certain lines, organs adapted to
perform certain functions, organisms suited to certain environments,
that the word _design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
1966 George C. Williams: "Whenever I believe that an effect is
produced as the function of an adaptation perfected by natural
selection to serve that function, I will use terms appropriate to human
artifice and conscious design." "There are convincing analogies
between bird wings and airship wings, between bridge suspensions and
skeletal suspensions, between the vascularization of a leaf and the
water supply of a city."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-31tnfkF3e6alfU2%40individual.net
1982 Francois Jacob: "The importance of Darwin's solution was to
explain by the selection of already formed structures something that
very much looks like instruction."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-320ufsF3grelkU1%40individual.net
the human hearing system: masterpiece that appears to be engineer(s)
workproduct
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-320g33F3giod4U1%40individual.net
Acoustic Engineers and Bird Alarm Calls
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.4.10A.B3.9912112245430.200386-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
1962 Oparin: "the universal 'purposiveness' of the organisation of
living beings is an objective and self-evident fact"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407240715.2b0e119a%40posting.google.com
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On 22 Dec 2005 10:33:51 -0800, "david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135222024.649638.211740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135201279.033817.240770@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135181805.272382.114090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases,
catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred years. It
speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more
influential racist than Darwin?
David Ford is a troll.
David Ford is not a very influential troll.
Agreed. In fact, there's really no need for us to respond to him.
Ooooo. Ain't he clever?
"clever"
1995 Christian de Duve: "Cells are so obviously programmed to develop
according to certain lines, organs adapted to perform certain
functions, organisms suited to certain environments, that the word
_design_ almost unavoidably comes to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-325tvsF3i3t01U1%40individual.net
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is
categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to
man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation
now rests on overwhelming factual evidence."
What are 2 of the stronger lines of this [de Duve]"evidence" turned up
during origin-of-life experiments?
Why do you dishonestly edit quotes?
What are 2 of the "quotes" I have supposedly "dishonestly edit[ed]"?
Why hold back?
Darwin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/d3f3931a290bfa0e
Leigh, and Mayr
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/8059fe3f6cfe5b25
Gould
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/87003ca0e7121f76
More Mayr
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d38a8bf65514407c
Still more Mayr
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/f24180c3e2cc160a
Gould & Eldredge
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/fbd3f7e7c1d8e6d5
Waddington, and Dorit
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/31467447c9fbc5f8
Saunders & Ho, Gould, and Haldane.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/dd8338b52914f2af
Simpson
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/5853dc0307e99099
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20 Dec 2005 09:46:20 PM |
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In <dford3-1135136394.885226.105690@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's
grip on reality, if nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist. Can you identify a more influential
racist than Darwin?
Irrelevant to the science. The theory of evolution stands or falls on the
evidence, not the character of Charles Darwin.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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21 Dec 2005 08:41:52 AM |
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david ford wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Darwin was a very influential racist
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
Could it be Thomas Jefferson? Why yes it can be easily demonstrated
that Jefferson supported the enslavement of Africans.
[df] clearly doesn't understand science. Yet [df] has a compulsive
dislike for it.
A fear of the unknown perhaps?
[df] is supposedly to be a student of history yet [df] doesn't even
understand history.
A fear of the unknown perhaps?
Are [df's] posts a way of testying that his fears and ignorance are
morally justified?
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21 Dec 2005 10:10:23 AM |
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RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Darwin was a very influential racist
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
Could it be Thomas Jefferson?
If you think so: How so?
Why yes it can be easily demonstrated
that Jefferson supported the enslavement of Africans.
How much blood does "Thomas Jefferson" have on his hands?
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135012135.008700.163480%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/cd2dc1d948c6a3de
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
Hitler & Darwin on
[Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]"
over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men"
having
[Darwin]"utility to their masters"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135100164.057260.78490%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1134448996.907734.300780%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135092414.972723.104980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[df] clearly doesn't understand science. Yet [df] has a compulsive
dislike for it.
Do you think these [Proctor]"biomedical scientists" did, or didn't,
"understand science"?:
Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
A fear of the unknown perhaps?
[df] is supposedly to be a student of history yet [df] doesn't even
understand history.
A fear of the unknown perhaps?
Are [df's] posts a way of testying that his fears and ignorance are
morally justified?
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21 Dec 2005 05:10:22 PM |
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david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Darwin was a very influential racist
As was Thomas Jefferson.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
Could it be Thomas Jefferson?
If you think so: How so?
Why yes it can be easily demonstrated
that Jefferson supported the enslavement of Africans.
How much blood does "Thomas Jefferson" have on his hands?
Jefferson acted to enslave people. Darwin debated and proposed ideas
not actions of enslavement or support for legislation to enslave
people. There is absolutely no blood on Darwin's hands. Jefferson and
his ilk contributed directly to the Civil war.
The misuse of Darwin's ideas cannot be attributed to Darwin; he had no
official ideology or program of social control such as Jefferson,
Hitler, Stalin, or Marx (this list is not intended to suggest they are
of equal evil). Your silly historical meanderings are of no substance
with respect to Darwin. Herbert Spencer deserves more blame than most
individuals for the distortions of Darwin's intellectual contributions.
You fanatically aim your anti-Darwin screeds at the wrong target.
Think anti-Semitism and racism which had long historical and
institutional links to religion.
Historical revisionism used to be overwhelmingly a Marxist/Communist
exercise, your revival of it is woefully inept. You don't even have
the appearance of balance as some of the reactionary rightist do that
you so fondly quote.
Your failure and theirs is an inability to understand the contingent
complex interplay between ideas and actions in history and as well as
the present day. This interplay is never as linear as you and they
portray it; and never generally as consequential as most intellectuals
(who write the history) believe.
a snip of revisionist diseased tripe
[df] is supposedly a student of history yet [df] doesn't even
understand history.
A fear of the unknown perhaps?
Are [df's] posts a way of testifying that his fears and willful
ignorance are morally and thus religiously justified?
RAM
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21 Dec 2005 11:24:27 AM |
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RAM wrote:
[snips-- replied to]
[df] clearly doesn't understand science.
Do you think H.L. Mencken did, or didn't, "understand science"?
Do you think T.H. Huxley did, or didn't, "understand science"?
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Alan Wolfe in _The New Republic_: "We ought never to forget that the
twentieth century's greatest American skeptic, H.L. Mencken, was an
ugly anti-Semite."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
H.L. Mencken in the 1910 _Men versus the Man: A Correspondence between
Robert Rives La Monte, Socialist, and H.L. Mencken, Individualist_,
29-30, cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number13/number13.html
I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding,
supervision of environment and education, extending
over many generations, it might be possible to make an
appreciable improvement in the stock of the American
negro, for example, but I must maintain that this
enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for
there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is
inconceivable that the negro stock, however carefully it
might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it.
The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he
meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a
negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner
born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty
generations of him have lived in civilization. And even
then, the superior white race will be fifty generations
ahead of him.
In a 29 September 1890 letter to Joseph Hooker, Huxley called Huxley's
1890 "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man" essay "scientific":
Huxley, Leonard, editor. 1901. _Life and Letters of Thomas Henry
Huxley: by his son Leonard Huxley_, in two volumes (NY: D. Appleton
and Company), 539pp. and 541pp. On 286 of volume 2:
Providence has, I believe, specially devolved on
Gladstone, Gore, and Co. the function of keeping "'ome
'appy" for me.
I really can't give up tormenting _ces droles_.
However, I have been toiling at a tremendously scientific
article about the "Aryan question" absolutely devoid of
blasphemy.
T.H. Huxley's 1890 essay "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/Aryan.html
He talks quite a bit therein about a [Huxley on 284 of my Huxley
book copy]"blond, long-headed race," i.e. [Huxley on 305]"an Aryan
race."
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21 Dec 2005 08:17:13 PM |
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david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
[snips-- replied to]
[df] clearly doesn't understand science.
Do you think H.L. Mencken did, or didn't, "understand science"?
Do you think T.H. Huxley did, or didn't, "understand science"?
[snips - diversion attempts]
Do you think [df] did, or didn't, "understand science" after years of
posting anti-science screeds?
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21 Dec 2005 09:31:09 PM |
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RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
[snips-- replied to]
[df] clearly doesn't understand science.
Do you think H.L. Mencken did, or didn't, "understand science"?
Do you think T.H. Huxley did, or didn't, "understand science"?
[snips - diversion attempts]
Do you think [df] did, or didn't, "understand science" after years of
posting anti-science screeds?
Did, since he agrees with all of the great T.H. Huxley's scientific
proclamations.
In a 29 September 1890 letter to Joseph Hooker, Huxley called Huxley's
1890 "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man" essay "scientific":
Huxley, Leonard, editor. 1901. _Life and Letters of Thomas Henry
Huxley: by his son Leonard Huxley_, in two volumes (NY: D. Appleton
and Company), 539pp. and 541pp. On 286 of volume 2:
Providence has, I believe, specially devolved on
Gladstone, Gore, and Co. the function of keeping "'ome
'appy" for me.
I really can't give up tormenting _ces droles_.
However, I have been toiling at a tremendously scientific
article about the "Aryan question" absolutely devoid of
blasphemy.
T.H. Huxley's 1890 essay "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/Aryan.html
He talks quite a bit therein about a [Huxley on 284 of my Huxley
book copy]"blond, long-headed race," i.e. [Huxley on 305]"an Aryan
race."
Belief in spontaneous generation, blindwatchmaking, and mental
spoon-bending is scientific.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291120.41a6d843%40posting.google.com
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23 Dec 2005 05:44:06 PM |
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david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
[snips-- replied to]
[df] clearly doesn't understand science.
Do you think H.L. Mencken did, or didn't, "understand science"?
Do you think T.H. Huxley did, or didn't, "understand science"?
[snips - diversion attempts]
Do you think [df] did, or didn't, "understand science" after years of
posting anti-science screeds?
snip diversions
Then [df] provide Huxley's definition of science.
Because [df] seems to have a limited understanding of contemporary
science and its practices.
Prove [ram] wrong!
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23 Dec 2005 10:15:00 PM |
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RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
david ford wrote:
RAM wrote:
[snips-- replied to]
[df] clearly doesn't understand science.
Do you think H.L. Mencken did, or didn't, "understand science"?
Do you think T.H. Huxley did, or didn't, "understand science"?
[snips - diversion attempts]
Do you think [df] did, or didn't, "understand science" after years of
posting anti-science screeds?
snip diversions
Then [df] provide Huxley's definition of science.
I don't know "Huxley's definition of science." I do know that Marx's
"definition of science" amounts to:
'what I/ Marx like is science/ scientific. If I disagree with a claim,
that claim is unscientific, and often metaphysical or religious.'
I base this on what I recollect of the Marx chapter in
Johnson, Paul. 1988. _Intellectuals_ (USA: Harper & Row,
Publishers), 385pp.
Because [df] seems to have a limited understanding of contemporary
science and its practices.
In the 1940s, was there "contemporary science" occurring in Auschwitz
during the experiments by medical personnel to develop methods of
sterilizing women and men using chemicals and radiation?
Prove [ram] wrong!
I base my Auschwitz question on what I recollect reading yesterday from
the book
Lifton, Robert Jay. 1986. _The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing
and the Psychology of Genocide_ (NY: Basic Books, Inc.,
Publishers), 561pp. On 270:
Inmates suffered from hunger, nonetheless, and
from the constant uncertainty about "What will it
be this time?" For they had absorbed the
Auschwitz principle that _anything is permitted_.
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Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
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21 Dec 2005 04:15:32 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Chris Krolczyk wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin
chases, catches and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about
demonizing a man who's been dead for over a hundred
years. It speaks much about Ford's grip on reality, if
nothing else.
Darwin was a racist.
Darwin was a very influential racist.
Can you identify a more influential racist than Darwin?
As mentioned *ad nauseum*, Hitler.
John Calhoun, particularly WRT pre-Civil War politics
concerning pro-slavery initiatives in the south.
Andrew Jackson.
Also as mentioned, Thomas Jefferson. Granted, he
was responsible for a lot more good than the latter
three examples, but he was still a racist.
Got any other stupid questions to ask?
-Chris Krolczyk
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20 Dec 2005 09:26:51 PM |
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In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches and
then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's grip
on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 09:37:51 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches and
then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's grip
on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 09:46:42 PM |
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In <doaim2$27mg$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches
and then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's
grip on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
1,873,230
(On alternate Tuesdays)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 10:23:33 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <doaim2$27mg$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>, John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
1,873,230
(On alternate Tuesdays)
"Tuesdays"
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_The Man Who was Thursday_ by G.K. Chesterton
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Chesterton's _Eugenics and Other Evils: An Argument Against the
Scientifically Organized State_
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1587420023/ref=3Dpd_sim_b_3/0=
02-5908785-4252004?%5Fencoding=3DUTF8&v=3Dglance
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
27 Dec 2005 08:24:00 AM |
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In article <doaim2$27mg$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
How many lurkers can dance to the tune of a pinhead?
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"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any
charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his
peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totali-
tarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943
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| User: "William Morse" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
03 Jan 2006 07:51:45 PM |
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Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote in news:proto-C6539B.09240027122005
@reader1.panix.com:
In article <doaim2$27mg$1@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au>,
John Wilkins <john@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
How many lurkers can dance to the tune of a pinhead?
Six.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 09:46:06 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches and
then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's grip
on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
How many lurkers can dance on a pinhead?
Chris
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 09:44:19 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches and
then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's grip
on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
How many lurkers can dance on the head of a pin?
That's a question for the philosophers among us.
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At one point, John was trying to have his plonk and eat it too:
John's erroneous beliefs can't hide.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127704575.828237.280060%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Don't make me laugh.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127877013.477499.48130%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
August 2005 John Wilkins:
[Snip David's self-referential links and other crap.
I know arguing with this guy is like attacking a
stone with wet tissue paper, but There Are Lurkers]
Ref:
1990 Lynn Margulis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125116281.603256.38930%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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