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Religions > Atheism |
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"david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:38:43 AM |
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proposal: kill all unfit human life |
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
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| User: "Chris Krolczyk" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
21 Dec 2005 04:08:32 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1135132814.988707.230080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Chris
Krolczyk" <chriskrolczyk@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Do you have dreams where Darwin chases you?
I think he may've graduated to the dream where Darwin chases, catches and
then *eats* him.
It's truly sad to see someone get this exercised about demonizing a man
who's been dead for over a hundred years. It speaks much about Ford's grip
on reality, if nothing else.
Well, he's writing for... THE LURKERS!!!!
Can't you see them? Thousands of invisible lurkers hanging on every word
of his every post? Of course you can! They're all around us...
I think one of 'em was in my basement, once; he was actually hiding
from Ford, and all he did was mutter "there are even some people who
creep *us* out" before he moved off to a different newsgroup...
-Chris Krolczyk
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 02:04:16 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135088702.054157.288260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
[snip-- replied to]
Belief in spontaneous generation, blindwatchmaking, and mental
spoon-bending is scientific.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0401291120.41a6d843%40posting.google.com
I bet you think you have a point...
I have a line, so I have an infinite number of points.
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| User: "Chris Krolczyk" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
19 Dec 2005 04:12:55 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015687.334710.309460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
You, yourself, your posts.
How's dat?
Peachy.
So you don't deny it. Good on yer, mate.
What about Darwin?-- he was a racist, BTW.
By our standards, so were most people in the 19th century - including
Lincoln.
Why are you such a unfailingly horrid little turd, Ford? Are you
lining yourself up for a higher seat in heaven by being such a
profoundly dishonest Liar for God or something?
-Chris Krolczyk
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| User: "Matthew Isleb" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
19 Dec 2005 12:57:39 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:08:07 -0800, david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"? What are 3 examples of
"a scientific model"?
Do you see mention of "a scientific model" here?:
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter 1's
first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of science
education and a prediliction for violence.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Ok, show causation then.
-matthew
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| User: "Scooter the Mighty" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:52:48 PM |
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david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Do you see mention of "a scientific model" here?:
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter
1's first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of
science education and a prediliction for violence.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
But causation does imply correlation, so the question still is valid.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
19 Dec 2005 12:31:05 PM |
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david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Please explain what the purpose of your post is.
Do you see mention of "a scientific model" here?:
It's also been clear to me for some time that you have no apparent
grasp of science.
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter
1's first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of
science education and a prediliction for violence.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Ironic insight. Why then your constant posting of Hitler's behavior
with its implied link to evolutionary science and your weasley
insinuations regarding Darwin's morality?
Remember that
hand-picking examples do accomplish this. Also please remember that
answering this request does not answer the first, above.
*** examples do *not* accomplish this ***
Kermit
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:54:22 PM |
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wrote:
david ford wrote:
wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Do you think Nordau "know[s] what moral behavior is"?
Nordau, Max. 1922. _Morals and the Evolution of Man_, a translation
by Marie A. Lewenz (Fellow of University College, London) of Nordau's
1916 _Biologie der Ethik_ (London: Cassell & Company, Limited, NY:
Funk and Wagnalls Company), 278pp. On 73:
But Good and Bad derive not only their existence but their
measure and their significance from the views of the
community. They are therefore not absolute but variable;
they are not an immutable standard amid the ever-changing
conditions of humanity, a rule by which the value of the
actions and aims of mortals are indisputably determined, but
are subject to the laws of evolution in society and therefore
in a constant state of flux. At different times and in different
places they present the most varied aspects. What is virtue
here and now may have been vice formerly and at another
spot, and _vice versa_.
Nordau then mentions marriage between sisters and brothers in ancient
Egypt, sacrifice of children to the Babylonian and Cannanite god
Moloch, Spartans teaching their sons to steal without getting caught,
Cherusci butchery of Roman prisoners to tribal gods, and Aztec human
sacrifice to Aztec gods.
Please explain what the purpose of your post is.
Which post exactly do you refer to?
Do you see mention of "a scientific model" here?:
It's also been clear to me for some time that you have no apparent
grasp of science.
Do you think T.H. Huxley has a "grasp of science"?
In a 29 September 1890 letter to Joseph Hooker, Huxley called Huxley's
1890 "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man" essay "scientific":
Huxley, Leonard, editor. 1901. _Life and Letters of Thomas Henry
Huxley: by his son Leonard Huxley_, in two volumes (NY: D. Appleton
and Company), 539pp. and 541pp. On 286 of volume 2:
Providence has, I believe, specially devolved on
Gladstone, Gore, and Co. the function of keeping "'ome
'appy" for me.
I really can't give up tormenting _ces droles_.
However, I have been toiling at a tremendously scientific
article about the "Aryan question" absolutely devoid of
blasphemy.
T.H. Huxley's 1890 essay "The Aryan Question and Pre-Historic Man"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE7/Aryan.html
He talks quite a bit therein about a [Huxley on 284 of my Huxley
book copy]"blond, long-headed race," i.e. [Huxley on 305]"an Aryan
race."
Sagan, Carl. 1980. _Cosmos_ (NY: Random House), 365pp. Chapter
1's first line:
THE COSMOS IS ALL THAT IS OR EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE.
Please cite the data which positively correlates a high level of
science education and a prediliction for violence.
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Ironic insight.
Do you agree with me that correlation doesn't necessarily mean
causation?
Why then your constant posting of Hitler's behavior
with its implied link to evolutionary science and your weasley
insinuations regarding Darwin's morality?
Darwin was a racist.
Exactly what "weasley insinuations regarding Darwin's morality" do you
refer to?
"Hitler's behavior" regarding what, exactly?
this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been
controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134792419.066594.291390%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Remember that
hand-picking examples do accomplish this. Also please remember that
answering this request does not answer the first, above.
*** examples do *not* accomplish this ***
"Accomplish" what, exactly?
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| User: "Dragonblaze" |
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20 Dec 2005 05:43:03 AM |
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david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Do you think Nordau "know[s] what moral behavior is"?
Nordau, Max. 1922. _Morals and the Evolution of Man_, a translation
by Marie A. Lewenz (Fellow of University College, London) of Nordau's
1916 _Biologie der Ethik_ (London: Cassell & Company, Limited, NY:
Funk and Wagnalls Company), 278pp. On 73:
But Good and Bad derive not only their existence but their
measure and their significance from the views of the
community. They are therefore not absolute but variable;
they are not an immutable standard amid the ever-changing
conditions of humanity, a rule by which the value of the
actions and aims of mortals are indisputably determined, but
are subject to the laws of evolution in society and therefore
in a constant state of flux. At different times and in different
places they present the most varied aspects. What is virtue
here and now may have been vice formerly and at another
spot, and _vice versa_.
Nordau then mentions marriage between sisters and brothers in ancient
Egypt, sacrifice of children to the Babylonian and Cannanite god
Moloch,
[snip]
Just a brief aside here... Nordau is definitely wrong there. There is
no Moloch in the Babylonian pantheon, nor did the Babylonians sacrifice
children or other humans either to their deities.
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| User: "david ford" |
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20 Dec 2005 08:32:27 AM |
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Dragonblaze wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Do you think Nordau "know[s] what moral behavior is"?
Nordau, Max. 1922. _Morals and the Evolution of Man_, a translation
by Marie A. Lewenz (Fellow of University College, London) of Nordau's
1916 _Biologie der Ethik_ (London: Cassell & Company, Limited, NY:
Funk and Wagnalls Company), 278pp. On 73:
But Good and Bad derive not only their existence but their
measure and their significance from the views of the
community. They are therefore not absolute but variable;
they are not an immutable standard amid the ever-changing
conditions of humanity, a rule by which the value of the
actions and aims of mortals are indisputably determined, but
are subject to the laws of evolution in society and therefore
in a constant state of flux. At different times and in different
places they present the most varied aspects. What is virtue
here and now may have been vice formerly and at another
spot, and _vice versa_.
Nordau then mentions marriage between sisters and brothers in ancient
Egypt, sacrifice of children to the Babylonian and Cannanite god
Moloch,
[snip]
Just a brief aside here... Nordau is definitely wrong there. There is
no Moloch in the Babylonian pantheon, nor did the Babylonians sacrifice
children or other humans either to their deities.
Refs?
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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20 Dec 2005 10:38:37 AM |
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"david ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-1135089147.179862.196650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dragonblaze wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real
ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Do you think Nordau "know[s] what moral behavior is"?
Nordau, Max. 1922. _Morals and the Evolution of Man_, a translation
by Marie A. Lewenz (Fellow of University College, London) of Nordau's
1916 _Biologie der Ethik_ (London: Cassell & Company, Limited, NY:
Funk and Wagnalls Company), 278pp. On 73:
But Good and Bad derive not only their existence but their
measure and their significance from the views of the
community. They are therefore not absolute but variable;
they are not an immutable standard amid the ever-changing
conditions of humanity, a rule by which the value of the
actions and aims of mortals are indisputably determined, but
are subject to the laws of evolution in society and therefore
in a constant state of flux. At different times and in different
places they present the most varied aspects. What is virtue
here and now may have been vice formerly and at another
spot, and _vice versa_.
Nordau then mentions marriage between sisters and brothers in ancient
Egypt, sacrifice of children to the Babylonian and Cannanite god
Moloch,
[snip]
Just a brief aside here... Nordau is definitely wrong there. There is
no Moloch in the Babylonian pantheon, nor did the Babylonians sacrifice
children or other humans either to their deities.
Refs?
No, they didn't sacrifice referees either, unless they made really, really
bad calls.
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| User: "Wakboth" |
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19 Dec 2005 03:54:33 PM |
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wrote:
david ford wrote:
wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"?
What are 3 examples of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what
moral behavior is.
Please explain what the purpose of your post is.
I seem to recall David saying that there is no point or purpose to his
posts.
I'm inclined to take him on his word in this matter.
-- Wakboth
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:51:10 PM |
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In <1135017065.209545.3650@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
david ford wrote:
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote:
Please explain how any dispicable moral stance (even the *real ones)
have anything to do with the truth of a scientific model.
What are 3 examples of a "dispicable moral stance"? What are 3 examples
of "a scientific model"?
Yes, it's been clear to me for some time that you do not know what moral
behavior is.
Or he knows but is being deliberately immoral...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Stile4aly" |
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19 Dec 2005 11:43:49 AM |
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david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
I'm all for it, so is every other evolutionist, and of course this is
precisely what the Theory of Evolution espouses.
/Sarcasm
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| User: "david ford" |
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
19 Dec 2005 12:01:57 PM |
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Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
I'm all for it,
Excellent.
so is every other evolutionist,
How do you know? Have you talked with "every other evolutionist" about
my proposal?
and of course this is
precisely what the Theory of Evolution espouses.
What exactly is "the Theory of Evolution"?
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132102419.915797.111840%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
/Sarcasm
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19 Dec 2005 12:44:40 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
I'm all for it,
Excellent.
I'm getting you a new sarcasm detector for Xmas
so is every other evolutionist,
How do you know? Have you talked with "every other evolutionist" about
my proposal?
See my reply above.
and of course this is
precisely what the Theory of Evolution espouses.
What exactly is "the Theory of Evolution"?
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132102419.915797.111840%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Evolution is the change in the frequency of hertiable alterations in
the genetic code within a population or populations. The Theory of
evolution is the framework that discusses how this is possible eg point
mutations, genetic drift, founder effect, genetic transposition,
natural selection, sexual selection, artifical breeding, etc.
/Sarcasm
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| User: "david ford" |
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21 Dec 2005 12:08:57 PM |
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Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
Stile4aly wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
I propose the killing of disabled and all other unfit human lives, such
as Terri Schindler Schiavo.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125332830.051705.205450%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Taking a firm, godless stand for death
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0410291758.3dfffe4b%40posting.google.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Reality supports the worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
I'm all for it,
Excellent.
I'm getting you a new sarcasm detector for Xmas
You're very kind.
Merry Winter Solstice!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
so is every other evolutionist,
How do you know? Have you talked with "every other evolutionist" about
my proposal?
See my reply above.
and of course this is
precisely what the Theory of Evolution espouses.
What exactly is "the Theory of Evolution"?
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132102419.915797.111840%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Evolution is the change in the frequency of hertiable alterations in
the genetic code within a population or populations.
1985 Robert G.B. Reid: "the redefinition [by Dobzhansky in 1937-df] of
evolution as frequency changes in the distribution of alleles in
populations seemed to be an attempt to save selection theory at the
expense of the phenomenon it purported to explain"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96.980613224255.8353A-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
Dobzhansky's 1937 redefinition of "evolution"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.96A.981011235608.19729A-100000%40umbc9.umbc.edu
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132102419.915797.111840%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
The Theory of
evolution is the framework that discusses how this is possible eg point
mutations, genetic drift, founder effect, genetic transposition,
natural selection, sexual selection, artifical breeding, etc.
/Sarcasm
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19 Dec 2005 11:57:32 AM |
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david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
Er, this is reporting a historical fact. There's no value attached to
it, other than that which you choose to attach.
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:10:23 PM |
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VoiceOfReason wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.
Er, this is reporting a historical fact. There's no value attached to
it, other than that which you choose to attach.
Darwin, Charles. 1874 or 1888, but not the 1871 edition. _The Descent
of Man_
Chapter 2 - On the Manner of Development of Man from Some Lower Form
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/chapter-02.html
Nor have certain male and female individuals been
intentionally picked out and matched, except in the well-
known case of the Prussian grenadiers; and in this case
man obeyed, as might have been expected, the law of
methodical selection; for it is asserted that many tall men
were reared in the villages inhabited by the grenadiers
and their tall wives. In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.*(3)
*(3) Mitford's _History of Greece_, vol. i., p. 282. It
appears from a passage in Xenophon's _Memorabilia_, B.
ii. 4 (to which my attention has been called by the Rev.
J. N. Hoare), that it was a well recognised principle with
the Greeks, that men ought to select their wives with a
view to the health and vigour of their children. The
Grecian poet, Theognis, who lived 550 B. C., clearly saw
how important selection, if carefully applied, would be for
the improvement of mankind. He saw, likewise, that
wealth often checks the proper action of sexual selection.
He thus writes:
With kine and horses, Kurnus! we proceed
By reasonable rules, and choose a breed
For profit and increase at any price:
Of a sound stock, without defect or vice.
But, in the daily matches that we make,
The price is everything: for money's sake,
Men marry: women are in marriage given
The churl or ruffian, that in wealth has thriven,
May match his offspring with the proudest race:
Thus everything is mix'd, noble and base!
If then in outward manner, form, and mind,
You find us a degraded, motley kind,
Wonder no more, my friend! the cause is plain,
And to lament the consequence is vain.
(The Works of J. Hookham Frere, vol. ii., 1872, p. 334.)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 12:50:18 PM |
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In <dford3-1135015823.570350.317520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human
life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should be
examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and vigorous being
preserved, the others left to perish.
Er, this is reporting a historical fact. There's no value attached to
it, other than that which you choose to attach.
Darwin, Charles. 1874 or 1888, but not the 1871 edition. _The Descent of
Man_
<snip>
Still doesn't address that reporting historical fact is not endorsing the
behavior.
Otherwise, every post you've made about the Nazis is an endorsement of
Nazism...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 01:00:54 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015823.570350.317520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human
life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should be
examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and vigorous being
preserved, the others left to perish.
Er, this is reporting a historical fact. There's no value attached to
it, other than that which you choose to attach.
Darwin, Charles. 1874 or 1888, but not the 1871 edition. _The Descent of
Man_
<snip>
Still doesn't address that reporting historical fact is not endorsing the
behavior.
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't, go
about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Otherwise, every post you've made about the Nazis is an endorsement of
Nazism...
Merry Winter Solstice, Mark!
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134184020.915479.145130%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 01:25:16 PM |
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In <dford3-1135018854.005676.22560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't, go
about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
You really think you're doing something of great significance don't you?
You realize this is Usenet? Just Usenet?
Maybe you should talk to someone about this, um, fascination...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "david ford" |
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19 Dec 2005 04:08:24 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135018854.005676.22560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't, go
about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
You really think you're doing something of great significance don't you?
If you say so.
You realize this is Usenet? Just Usenet?
Yes.
Maybe you should talk to someone about this, um, fascination...
"fascination" with what, exactly?
The truths of 'evolution'?
1959 Garrett Hardin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134409165.656045.203660%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Dec 2005 06:13:10 PM |
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In <dford3-1135030104.244324.87560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135018854.005676.22560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't,
go about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
You really think you're doing something of great significance don't you?
If you say so.
You realize this is Usenet? Just Usenet?
Yes.
Maybe you should talk to someone about this, um, fascination...
"fascination" with what, exactly?
The truths of 'evolution'?
No, the confusion of Usenet with, oh, reality...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We need everything you've got"
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2726554C
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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19 Dec 2005 04:22:46 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135018854.005676.22560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't, go
about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
You really think you're doing something of great significance don't you?
If you say so.
You realize this is Usenet? Just Usenet?
Yes.
Well, shucks, David, if that's the case, why are you
always in such a seemingly obsessive mood about it?
Maybe you should talk to someone about this, um, fascination...
"fascination" with what, exactly?
Your own yammering on Usenet.
C'mon, Ford, it's only English, not Sanskrit. Try to come off as
something other than terminally slow-witted, for once.
-Chris Krolczyk
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19 Dec 2005 04:27:56 PM |
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david ford wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dford3-1135015823.570350.317520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "david
ford" <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human
life.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135004225.246782.327080%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should be
examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and vigorous being
preserved, the others left to perish.
Er, this is reporting a historical fact. There's no value attached to
it, other than that which you choose to attach.
Darwin, Charles. 1874 or 1888, but not the 1871 edition. _The Descent of
Man_
<snip>
Still doesn't address that reporting historical fact is not endorsing the
behavior.
I leave it to lurkers to decide if they think Darwin did, or didn't, go
about "endorsing the behavior" he describes occurring in Sparta.
<snip self-referencing post>
Otherwise, every post you've made about the Nazis is an endorsement of
Nazism...
Even if your cowardly innuendos were true, character flaws have nothing
to do with the truth of a scientific model.
<snip self-referencing post>
<snip self-referencing post>
Kermit
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19 Dec 2005 01:10:05 PM |
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david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Well, that seems kinda extreme to me, but if that's what Jesus tells ya
to do, go for it.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
So Dave lemme see if I'm catchin your drift.
Watson and Crick found the molecular structure of DNA but they want to
kill babies and Hitler killed people and he was a homysexule and an
atheist and Steven Pinker is an atheist who studies evolution and
psychology and those are the things that Dennett studies but he wants
to put all the Baptists in jail.
So.. yer sayin.... if I ever study molecular structure... then... I'm
going to start putting Baptists in jail.
Is that yer point? Is that what yer gettin at? If not, what's yer
point?
---DPM
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19 Dec 2005 01:40:30 PM |
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wrote:
david ford wrote:
david ford wrote in "Re: Darwin was a racist.":
I "support infanticide," and support the killing of all unfit human life.
Well, that seems kinda extreme to me, but if that's what Jesus tells ya
to do, go for it.
Fellow defenders of infanticide include the atheism-adherents James D.
Watson, Francis Crick, Peter Singer, Steven Pinker, Adolf Hitler, and
Ernst Haeckel.
So Dave lemme see if I'm catchin your drift.
Watson and Crick found the molecular structure of DNA but they want to
kill babies and Hitler killed people and he was a homysexule and an
atheist and Steven Pinker is an atheist who studies evolution and
psychology and those are the things that Dennett studies but he wants
to put all the Baptists in jail.
So.. yer sayin.... if I ever study molecular structure... then... I'm
going to start putting Baptists in jail.
Is that yer point? Is that what yer gettin at? If not, what's yer
point?
---DPM
He's "admitted" that he has no point. But obviously his posts have a
purpose; probably to associate slimy activities and evil attitudes with
evolutionary science. But I'm afraid that after these many vague but
disturbing posts I simply associate all things perverse and creepy with
David.
I dunno - maybe *that's his purpose.
Kermit
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| Title: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life |
20 Dec 2005 06:53:01 AM |
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trouble with that though - mr hitler ...is that
most of who would be left to carry out that grusome task -would not be
able to do so quickly
-those who you suggest are better & well & fit to live while the rest
should be eliminated ,adolf,
would not be able to resist the temptation or the opportunity to
torture those or perform tests & experiments on or toy with - then
reducing those first thought to be the better ones into not much of
more than those whom they first wished to rid themselves of .
who's really what ?
i agree with
John Baker
Dec 19, 3:53 pm show options
Newsgroups: talk.origins, alt.atheism, sci.skeptic, talk.atheism
From: John Baker <n...@bizniz.net> - Find messages by this author
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:53:59 GMT
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Subject: Re: proposal: kill all unfit human life
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I propose we start with you.
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