On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:21:42 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:

"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:utki24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...

And when you hit that one-in-twenty chance, you're ***** out of luck, is
that it? No second chances, no alternatives, just an illegal abortion
and
possible sterility if you're _lucky_ (death or maiming if you're not so
lucky) or spending the rest of your life raising a kid that you didn't
want and will resent for robbing you of your future.

Absolutely. With choice comes responsibility.

You make me sick. You just hate women, don't you?

If one believes a child
will "rob them of their future", they can go get their tubes tied.

Uh, huh. Easy for you to say, _man_. Tubal ligation is dangerous and
difficult to reverse.

Who appointed _you_ God, anyway? Didn't you know that your precious Bible
_approves_ of, indeed even _condones_ abortion?

You know, the last I heard, the urge to drink alcohol wasn't a basic
biological urge. No one gets hot and bothered around an attractive
bottle of vodka and a gin and tonic doesn't tend to be physically
arousing.

No, but it can and often does make one do stupid things.

What, like publicly show yourself to be a raving, misogynist lunatic?

Sex, on the other hand, _is_ a basic biological urge, for which we've
been
programmed by two hundred million years of evolution. The urge to make
babies or otherwise express sexual urges is something that's hard to
resist even for the best of us, much less for everyone else, right, Ted
Haggard?

I don't condone what Haggard did. Like everyone else, he will answer to
God
for what he did.

Except for the small fact that there's no such thing.

And except for the
small fact that he is in pain and his _wife_ (who has been largely ignored
in all this) is in pain. "Answering" happens in _this_ life, not in some
imaginary "afterlife," no matter what kind of delusions you might embrace.

It's rather hilarious you would mention "the urge to make babies" when
you
want to kill them off if it's convenient to do so.

Listen, you incredible *****, my wife is pregnant. With a _wanted_ child.
I've wanted kids for a very, very long time, so much that it has caused me
almost physical pain. And yet, it is my _wife's_ decision to choose to
bear a child, not mine.

Your unbelievably offensive lies notwithstanding, I quite definitely do
_not_ want to "kill children." _You_, on the other hand, think nothing of
condemning women to death for their mistakes.

A fetus is not a child. It is not a person. It is a bit of flesh with no
independent existence and no "right to life" whatsoever.

It's no different than a male who doesn't want to use protection. He
CHOOSES
to risk getting an STD.

Uh, huh. _He_ "chooses to risk getting an STD." _She_ chooses to risk
getting pregnant and potentially fucking up the rest of her life. Yeah,
_that's_ fair.

It IS fair. It's absolutely fair.

You _are_ a complete fucking idiot, aren't you? His risk of getting an
STD is the same as her risk of getting pregnant? There's no "absolutely"
about it, her risk is _much_ greater than his. Always.

My parents taught me and my siblings that you take responsibility for
your
actions no matter what.

Uh, huh. And I suppose that you never, ever made a mistake. And if you
did, no one ever gave you a second chance.

Taking responsibility for ones actions is not the same as having the right
to choose what happens to ones' body. It's not your body, it's _her_
body, and you have no right to force her to go through with a pregnancy.

That's the bottom line. For all your whinging about "responsibility,"
it's not _your_ responsibility, it's _hers_. It's not _your_ choice, it's
_hers_. It's not _your_ body, it's HERS! You stupid *****! How many
times do you have to read it?

Or are you so utterly convinced that you are right and everyone opposed to
you is wrong that your ignorance is unassailable?

You pro-choicers are hypocritical anyway. When a man and woman sleep
together, they are equally responsible for their actions. When a woman

I tell you what. When you finally do have that experience, come back
and
we'll talk. Until then, shut the ***** up.

Would you care to ask my son?

Would you care to tell me why you're such a fucking prig? I pity your son
for his misfortune to have you as a father.

People. Have. Sex. They always have, they always will. Demanding that
they stop isn't just futile, it's breathtakingly stupid. Forcing women to
sacrifice their bodies and their lives for unwanted pregnancies is just
cruel. Heartless. Vicious. Vile.

It's not his body, dipshit. As soon as he can carry the child in his
own
body, he can choose. Until then, nope, sorry, her body, her choice.

LOL yeah you favor choice all right. Only when it's convenient to do so.
And
in case that sailed right over your head, which is my guess, I believe a
man
should always take responsibility for a child he helps create.
You guys however are hypocrites and you didn't address my point.

What point? That you're one of these "father's rights" loons? I'm
already _well_ aware of that, thank you very much. The man _always_ has
the choice to ditch the situation.

The woman? Not so much. She either
has to deal with pregnancy and a child or she has to face the necessity of
an abortion. If she chooses to have the child, she bears the risk and she
gets to make the decision, but the man doesn't get off scot-free just
because he didn't want to deal with it.

I thought you were all about "responsibility." I guess you really mean
"responsibility only if you're a woman."

Pregnancy isn't safe. Women have health problems and even die, solely
due
to pregnancy. It's not your place to tell a woman that she must take
that
risk.

<Yawn>

Yeah, that's about right. Who cares about what the woman goes through, as
long as that precious lump of cells is safe.

That's as asinine as pro-aborts using the old "rape and incest" argument
when all else fails.

Rape and incest _also_ happen, murderer. And you would condemn the
victims to suffer just so your precious lump of cells might survive and be
born. At which point you'll have no further use for it and will consign
it to death or worse, especially if it happens to be a girl.

It's such a low percentage that even bringing it up
makes you look silly.

No, it's an unavoidable situation that _you_ don't want to face and
pretend doesn't exist. Even _one_ is too many. But to you, if a few
women die to save those lumps of cells, that's just fine, right? It's
just "a low percentage."

Far more women die of complications from legal
abortions than from carrying to term.

Of course, _that_ is a risk that the _woman_ can evaluate, isn't it? It's
not being forced on her by some religious nutcase.

And if a woman has a known health condition that could kill her if she
becomes pregnant, she should either get her tubes tied or make sure her
partner has had a vasectomy.

And if she has a condition that isn't diagnosed until after pregnancy, she
should just die. Got it.

Choices can have consequences.

Uh, huh. But no one said that those consequences must include death or
maiming. Just you bigots. You pro-murders.

Yeah, you are a rational guy. A woman CHOOSES to have sex, RISKS getting
pregnant, does so, gets an ILLEGAL abortion, dies from complications and
you
say she is murdered. Yeah. THAT makes sense.

Who made abortion illegal? Who made it illegal in El Salvador and
Nicaragua?

Religious zealots. Like you.

You make the situation and then happily absolve yourself of all
blame or responsibility, placing it all on the woman. And you call _me_ a
hypocrite?

What about the women that die from complications from legal abortions? Do
you advocate prosecuting the abortion provider for murder?

Seems we have a mechanism for that already, one that's used in all kinds
of situations related to death during a medical procedure. It's called
"malpractice." It's also a known risk that can be evaluated by the woman
involved. Whereas you would force the choice on her, without regard for
her desires, her situation, her health, even her life.

It's clear that you're a religious bigot and there's no way you're going
to change your tune, no matter how many times I throw reality in your
face. You're unwaveringly wedded to your blinkered pig-ignorance and your
baseless beliefs.

I'm finished with you, you waste of flesh and air. Were there justice,
you would meet the fate to which you consign the women you hate so much.

I'll be making a donation to Planned Parenthood tomorrow, roughly twice
what I had originally planned. I'll let them know who to thank for that.

Mike Dundee wrote:

"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:utki24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...

Pregnancy isn't safe. Women have health problems and even die, solely
due
to pregnancy. It's not your place to tell a woman that she must take
that
risk.

Study: Maternal Death Rate From Legal Abortions Three Times Higher than
from
Childbirth
SPRINGFIELD, March 8, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com)

-------------------------------
"LifeSiteNews" is the phony propaganda organ for Anti-Choice LIARS!

- A study of
pregnancy-associated deaths published in the latest issue of the
"American
Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology" (AJOG) has found that the mortality
rate associated with abortion is 2.95 times higher than that associated
with
pregnancies carried to term.

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This is an example of the lies told by Anti-Choice Delusionals.
Look up the REAL studies.
Steve

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:56:30 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:

"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:utki24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...

Pregnancy isn't safe. Women have health problems and even die, solely
due
to pregnancy. It's not your place to tell a woman that she must take
that
risk.

Study: Maternal Death Rate From Legal Abortions Three Times Higher than
from
Childbirth
SPRINGFIELD, March 8, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A study of

This is what you get when you read propaganda.

Try again, using someplace _not_ heavily biased, please.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:56:30 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:

"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:utki24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...

Pregnancy isn't safe. Women have health problems and even die, solely due
to pregnancy. It's not your place to tell a woman that she must take that
risk.

Study: Maternal Death Rate From Legal Abortions Three Times Higher than from
Childbirth
SPRINGFIELD, March 8, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A study of

This is what you get when you read propaganda.

Try again, using someplace _not_ heavily biased, please.