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08 Nov 2006 08:55:49 PM |
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Proposition 85 did not pass |
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
225 San Antonio Rd
Mountain View, CA 94040
(650) 948-0807
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
Democrat Silencer
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 07:50:24 AM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4556EFB7.337B@armory.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:35 -0800, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com>
wrote:
Why don't you learn about all the illegal abortions that happened in the
US before Roe v Wade? Why don't you learn what the term "back-alley
abortion" really means.
All you being "pro-life" means is that you want women to die. You care
more about a blob of senseless flesh than about a living breathing
person.
Not even. The fetus *always* dies - the woman sometimes dies.
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The fetus CANNOT "die" in any human sense, because it is NOT A BEING,
and does NOT consider its life as a story it can remember and review
and relate to new information. *IF* it did, THEN WE WOULD ALL RECALL
BEING FETUSES!! AND WE DO NOT!!!
Unless you want to propose something dumb and contrived, like, that
it somehow remembers back THEN but forgets before we arise in it, BUT
THEN THAT "fetal mind" is STILL NOT US, and IS EVEN INIMICAL TO US,
because if it does not die we cannot come to be!! But of course that's
idiotic garbage, like arguing angels and pinheads and imaginary things
we can never prove *OR* disprove, which is unworthy of consideration.
Steve
You crack me up. You're arguing with people on your own side. LOL
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 02:39:38 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4556EFB7.337B@armory.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:25:35 -0800, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com>
wrote:
Why don't you learn about all the illegal abortions that happened in the
US before Roe v Wade? Why don't you learn what the term "back-alley
abortion" really means.
All you being "pro-life" means is that you want women to die. You care
more about a blob of senseless flesh than about a living breathing
person.
Not even. The fetus *always* dies - the woman sometimes dies.
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The fetus CANNOT "die" in any human sense, because it is NOT A BEING,
and does NOT consider its life as a story it can remember and review
and relate to new information. *IF* it did, THEN WE WOULD ALL RECALL
BEING FETUSES!! AND WE DO NOT!!!
Unless you want to propose something dumb and contrived, like, that
it somehow remembers back THEN but forgets before we arise in it, BUT
THEN THAT "fetal mind" is STILL NOT US, and IS EVEN INIMICAL TO US,
because if it does not die we cannot come to be!! But of course that's
idiotic garbage, like arguing angels and pinheads and imaginary things
we can never prove *OR* disprove, which is unworthy of consideration.
Steve
You crack me up. You're arguing with people on your own side. LOL
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He fell for your lingo, it's easy to do when talking to a brainwashed
moron like you. I was correcting it.
Steve
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 09:05:19 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:50:24 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
You crack me up. You're arguing with people on your own side. LOL
So? We acknowledge that we can be in error, you don't. That's NOT to
your credit.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 05:56:43 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
We don't want girls to die when they get abortions. We also don't want
babies to die.
So you do that by ensuring that a large portion of them WILL die? How
does that work? If they're dead they can't get pregnant again and
have another abortion?
They WILL GET abortions (or abort themselves, usually with disastrous
results - have you ever seen a suction abortion performed with a coke
bottle as the source of vacuum? very bloody and very lethal - the
girl exanguinates) - whether it's legal or not. If it's illegal a
large number of them will die.
What you want - no abortions - isn't going to happen. It didn't
happen from the time women discovered they could terminate pregnancies
at will (at least 35,000 years ago that we know of, but probably more
like a few hundred thousand years ago) to 1973 - why do you think you
can suddenly make it happen now?
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 07:28:28 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6focl2hbfnagf9rb2pa1soub744qmd36f2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
We don't want girls to die when they get abortions. We also don't want
babies to die.
So you do that by ensuring that a large portion of them WILL die? How
does that work? If they're dead they can't get pregnant again and
have another abortion?
They WILL GET abortions (or abort themselves, usually with disastrous
results - have you ever seen a suction abortion performed with a coke
bottle as the source of vacuum? very bloody and very lethal - the
girl exanguinates) - whether it's legal or not. If it's illegal a
large number of them will die.
See above. Their CHOICE.
What you want - no abortions - isn't going to happen. It didn't
happen from the time women discovered they could terminate pregnancies
at will (at least 35,000 years ago that we know of, but probably more
like a few hundred thousand years ago) to 1973 - why do you think you
can suddenly make it happen now?
We're going to keep trying.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically. The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 03:32:23 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6focl2hbfnagf9rb2pa1soub744qmd36f2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
--------------------
This is why we should CHOOSE TO KILL EVERY ***** LIKE YOU ON EARTH!!!
We must kill ALL OF YOU to make the world safe for SEX, the ONLY
THING WORTH LIVING FOR ON EARTH! You are beaten ***** who imagine
some place after death that nobody has ever come back from that
is supposed to be better than Life, but all you are is brainwashed
liars who believe the lying slave-masters who wish to enslave
all of us!! THEY don't believe your *****, but they want YOU to
believe it, so that you'll shut up and obey and slave for them!
It will be cut back drastically. The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
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GET USED TO IT, YOU *****!:
What you want is now impossible, as we will hunt you down and kill
you if you managed to wangle that into law, AS WE OUTNUMBER YOU
TWO TO ONE OR MORE!! Wherever you try to slide it past us we will
break the law and deliver safe ILLEGAL abortions, in the process
gaining more and more people who want to KILL YOU!
Steve
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 07:47:36 AM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4556EAE6.6D19@armory.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6focl2hbfnagf9rb2pa1soub744qmd36f2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they
CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
--------------------
This is why we should CHOOSE TO KILL EVERY ***** LIKE YOU ON EARTH!!!
We must kill ALL OF YOU to make the world safe for SEX, the ONLY
THING WORTH LIVING FOR ON EARTH! You are beaten ***** who imagine
some place after death that nobody has ever come back from that
is supposed to be better than Life, but all you are is brainwashed
liars who believe the lying slave-masters who wish to enslave
all of us!! THEY don't believe your *****, but they want YOU to
believe it, so that you'll shut up and obey and slave for them!
It will be cut back drastically. The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
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GET USED TO IT, YOU *****!:
What you want is now impossible, as we will hunt you down and kill
you if you managed to wangle that into law, AS WE OUTNUMBER YOU
TWO TO ONE OR MORE!! Wherever you try to slide it past us we will
break the law and deliver safe ILLEGAL abortions, in the process
gaining more and more people who want to KILL YOU!
Steve
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 08:55:31 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:47:36 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
"Abortion doctors" aren't adults?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 10:14:03 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cknfl21uvobf177bifginobb7oom9lnqth@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:47:36 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
"Abortion doctors" aren't adults?
Here's the piece I was replying to that you snipped...
"> GET USED TO IT, YOU *****!:
What you want is now impossible, as we will hunt you down and kill
you if you managed to wangle that into law, AS WE OUTNUMBER YOU
TWO TO ONE OR MORE!! Wherever you try to slide it past us we will
break the law and deliver safe ILLEGAL abortions, in the process
gaining more and more people who want to KILL YOU!
Steve"
One on your side that wants to kill us.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 05:22:28 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> writes:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cknfl21uvobf177bifginobb7oom9lnqth@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:47:36 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
"Abortion doctors" aren't adults?
Here's the piece I was replying to that you snipped...
"> GET USED TO IT, YOU *****!:
What you want is now impossible, as we will hunt you down and kill
you if you managed to wangle that into law, AS WE OUTNUMBER YOU
TWO TO ONE OR MORE!! Wherever you try to slide it past us we will
break the law and deliver safe ILLEGAL abortions, in the process
gaining more and more people who want to KILL YOU!
Steve"
One on your side that wants to kill us.
More accurately, it's just your paranoia, as usual. So, tell me...how many
babies have I supposedly killed, and why haven't you reported me?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Iowa 1 (November 10)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 15 at Milwaukee, 7:05
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 02:29:40 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cknfl21uvobf177bifginobb7oom9lnqth@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:47:36 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
"Abortion doctors" aren't adults?
Here's the piece I was replying to that you snipped...
"> GET USED TO IT, YOU *****!:
What you want is now impossible, as we will hunt you down and kill
you if you managed to wangle that into law, AS WE OUTNUMBER YOU
TWO TO ONE OR MORE!! Wherever you try to slide it past us we will
break the law and deliver safe ILLEGAL abortions, in the process
gaining more and more people who want to KILL YOU!
Steve"
One on your side that wants to kill us.
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You've VASTLY underestimated our numbers!
Steve
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 10:11:35 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:14:03 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cknfl21uvobf177bifginobb7oom9lnqth@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:47:36 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
Another example of pro-choice idiocy. Not only do they condone murdering
babies, but also adults!
"Abortion doctors" aren't adults?
Here's the piece I was replying to that you snipped...
You're claiming that anti-choicers are "better" than pro-choicers
because pro-choicers kill adults. Those who call themselves
"pro-life" also kill adults.
One on your side that wants to kill us.
More than one on your side who has ALREADY killed us.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
children smart.
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 10:08:04 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:28:28 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
You know, if there were the slightest possibility that _you_ could get
pregnant, you would be screaming just as loudly in support of the opposite
position.
"If men could be pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
As far as "choice" goes, when was the last time you _chose_ to be
celibate? Hell, when was the last time you jacked off, you onanist?
Didn't you know that "spilling your seed on the ground" is specifically
forbidden by your book?
You wouldn't know "choice" if it bit you on the *****. You want to condemn
women to death for having sex. And you want to pretend that by making
both abortion and contraception illegal, people will _stop_ having sex.
It's people like you who make me disgusted to be a human being, and glad to
give everything I can to Planned Parenthood.
What you want - no abortions - isn't going to happen. It didn't
happen from the time women discovered they could terminate pregnancies
at will (at least 35,000 years ago that we know of, but probably more
like a few hundred thousand years ago) to 1973 - why do you think you
can suddenly make it happen now?
We're going to keep trying.
Perhaps. You're going to keep _failing_, as well. Kind of like you just
failed in South Dakota.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically. The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
Well, of _course_ it wouldn't be "anywhere near what it currently is,"
since getting an abortion would be illegal, difficult and very dangerous.
Just like in most states before 1973. But the women that _did_ get
abortions, out of desperation or for whatever other reason, were maimed or
killed, unless they were very, very lucky.
Abortion won't stop just because it is illegal. But rather than accepting
that fact, you choose to punish the women and girls who are forced into
such a choice. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, and if punishing them
with likely death or maiming weren't bad enough, you're actually _proud_
of your bigotry.
You make me sick. You're a pathetic excuse for a "human being," with no
more caring for your fellow person than someone would have for an insect.
You claim to be trying to "save babies" when in actuality you don't give a
***** about anything or anyone but yourself and your own bigotry and
preconceptions.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 11:04:42 PM |
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"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:4aji24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:28:28 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they
CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
You know, if there were the slightest possibility that _you_ could get
pregnant, you would be screaming just as loudly in support of the opposite
position.
"If men could be pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
As far as "choice" goes, when was the last time you _chose_ to be
celibate? Hell, when was the last time you jacked off, you onanist?
Didn't you know that "spilling your seed on the ground" is specifically
forbidden by your book?
You wouldn't know "choice" if it bit you on the *****. You want to condemn
women to death for having sex. And you want to pretend that by making
both abortion and contraception illegal, people will _stop_ having sex.
It's people like you who make me disgusted to be a human being, and glad
to
give everything I can to Planned Parenthood.
What you want - no abortions - isn't going to happen. It didn't
happen from the time women discovered they could terminate pregnancies
at will (at least 35,000 years ago that we know of, but probably more
like a few hundred thousand years ago) to 1973 - why do you think you
can suddenly make it happen now?
We're going to keep trying.
Perhaps. You're going to keep _failing_, as well. Kind of like you just
failed in South Dakota.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically. The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
Well, of _course_ it wouldn't be "anywhere near what it currently is,"
since getting an abortion would be illegal, difficult and very dangerous.
Just like in most states before 1973. But the women that _did_ get
abortions, out of desperation or for whatever other reason, were maimed or
killed, unless they were very, very lucky.
Abortion won't stop just because it is illegal. But rather than accepting
that fact, you choose to punish the women and girls who are forced into
such a choice. And, as if that wasn't bad enough, and if punishing them
with likely death or maiming weren't bad enough, you're actually _proud_
of your bigotry.
You make me sick. You're a pathetic excuse for a "human being," with no
more caring for your fellow person than someone would have for an insect.
You claim to be trying to "save babies" when in actuality you don't give a
***** about anything or anyone but yourself and your own bigotry and
preconceptions.
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't look
out for themselves. The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 03:47:18 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't look
out for themselves.
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FETUSES ARE NOT PERSONS!! No matter that you believe that as some
sick test of your insane vicious faith, a PERSON REMEMBERS WHO THEY
ARE AND HAVE BEEN, OR THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN A PERSON!!
Conscious awareness is BASED on PERSONAL MEMORY OF THE STORY OF ONE'S
OWN LIFE, without the personal memory of one's life as a story, NO
ONE EXISTS AT ALL!! Neither you nor anyone can even successfully
IMAGINE a PERSON existing who does not exist THROUGH PERSONAL MEMORY
OF ITS LIFE STORY!! With memory of one's life story, ONE EXISTS AS
A BEING!! Without it, there is NO BEING!!
And if ANY of us remembered being a fetus then we would never even be
having this argument, everyone would agree with you, BUT NOBODY DOES
BECAUSE NOBODY RECALLS BEING A FETUS, AND NOBODY EVER WILL!
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
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Posturing Illogical Pedantic Malarkey, the "unborn" is NEITHER a
PERSON, NOR does it think or even care whether it lives or dies,
because it does NOT think, and isn't at all aware and DOES NOT
AT ALL EVEN EXIST AS A PERSONALITY! The "unborn" DO NOT EVEN EXIST
AS PERSONS AND CANNOT therefore "DESERVE" ANYTHING!!
If your body had been killed as a fetus you would never have known
or cared, because there was no YOU then!! Something that is not
a being has no rights, nor desires, nor awareness of anything,
it can be discarded at our convenience. "THINKING" *IS* this process
of self-reflection on one's own memory of their history as a STORY!
That *IS* what "THINKING" *IS*!! Without it there is no BEINGNESS!!
Steve
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12 Nov 2006 07:49:28 AM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
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Mike Dundee wrote:
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't
look
out for themselves.
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FETUSES ARE NOT PERSONS!! No matter that you believe that as some
sick test of your insane vicious faith, a PERSON REMEMBERS WHO THEY
ARE AND HAVE BEEN, OR THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN A PERSON!!
Conscious awareness is BASED on PERSONAL MEMORY OF THE STORY OF ONE'S
OWN LIFE, without the personal memory of one's life as a story, NO
ONE EXISTS AT ALL!! Neither you nor anyone can even successfully
IMAGINE a PERSON existing who does not exist THROUGH PERSONAL MEMORY
OF ITS LIFE STORY!! With memory of one's life story, ONE EXISTS AS
A BEING!! Without it, there is NO BEING!!
And if ANY of us remembered being a fetus then we would never even be
having this argument, everyone would agree with you, BUT NOBODY DOES
BECAUSE NOBODY RECALLS BEING A FETUS, AND NOBODY EVER WILL!
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
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Posturing Illogical Pedantic Malarkey, the "unborn" is NEITHER a
PERSON, NOR does it think or even care whether it lives or dies,
because it does NOT think, and isn't at all aware and DOES NOT
AT ALL EVEN EXIST AS A PERSONALITY! The "unborn" DO NOT EVEN EXIST
AS PERSONS AND CANNOT therefore "DESERVE" ANYTHING!!
If your body had been killed as a fetus you would never have known
or cared, because there was no YOU then!! Something that is not
a being has no rights, nor desires, nor awareness of anything,
it can be discarded at our convenience. "THINKING" *IS* this process
of self-reflection on one's own memory of their history as a STORY!
That *IS* what "THINKING" *IS*!! Without it there is no BEINGNESS!!
Steve
Don't you love it when a person knows deep down they are truly wrong how
they like to SHOUT to make their point?
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 02:38:34 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:4556EE65.ACA@armory.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't
look
out for themselves.
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FETUSES ARE NOT PERSONS!! No matter that you believe that as some
sick test of your insane vicious faith, a PERSON REMEMBERS WHO THEY
ARE AND HAVE BEEN, OR THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN A PERSON!!
Conscious awareness is BASED on PERSONAL MEMORY OF THE STORY OF ONE'S
OWN LIFE, without the personal memory of one's life as a story, NO
ONE EXISTS AT ALL!! Neither you nor anyone can even successfully
IMAGINE a PERSON existing who does not exist THROUGH PERSONAL MEMORY
OF ITS LIFE STORY!! With memory of one's life story, ONE EXISTS AS
A BEING!! Without it, there is NO BEING!!
And if ANY of us remembered being a fetus then we would never even be
having this argument, everyone would agree with you, BUT NOBODY DOES
BECAUSE NOBODY RECALLS BEING A FETUS, AND NOBODY EVER WILL!
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
--------------------------
Posturing Illogical Pedantic Malarkey, the "unborn" is NEITHER a
PERSON, NOR does it think or even care whether it lives or dies,
because it does NOT think, and isn't at all aware and DOES NOT
AT ALL EVEN EXIST AS A PERSONALITY! The "unborn" DO NOT EVEN EXIST
AS PERSONS AND CANNOT therefore "DESERVE" ANYTHING!!
If your body had been killed as a fetus you would never have known
or cared, because there was no YOU then!! Something that is not
a being has no rights, nor desires, nor awareness of anything,
it can be discarded at our convenience. "THINKING" *IS* this process
of self-reflection on one's own memory of their history as a STORY!
That *IS* what "THINKING" *IS*!! Without it there is no BEINGNESS!!
Steve
Don't you love it when a person knows deep down they are truly wrong how
they like to SHOUT to make their point?
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You're a *****-fucking LIAR about that too,
you *****-MINDED LITTLE POSTURER!
Steve
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 12:04:30 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:38:34 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:
You're a *****-fucking LIAR about that too,
you *****-MINDED LITTLE POSTURER!
You're not helping, dipshit.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 12:41:53 PM |
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"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:38:34 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:
You're a *****-fucking LIAR about that too,
you *****-MINDED LITTLE POSTURER!
You're not helping, dipshit.
He no more speaks for your side than those that have murdered abortion
providers speak for us.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
13 Nov 2006 01:31:17 PM |
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Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:38:34 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:
You're a *****-fucking LIAR about that too,
you *****-MINDED LITTLE POSTURER!
You're not helping, dipshit.
Frank Mayhar
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Your petty opinion.
Go ahead, do just what he wants, engage in division.
Face it!: He is incapable of reason. His kind needs to be KILLED!
They need to be TERRIFIED into Silence!
Steve
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 01:09:05 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:04:42 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:4aji24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
You make me sick. You're a pathetic excuse for a "human being," with no
more caring for your fellow person than someone would have for an insect.
You claim to be trying to "save babies" when in actuality you don't give a
***** about anything or anyone but yourself and your own bigotry and
preconceptions.
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't look
out for themselves.
But instead you "look out" for something that is not truly alive, that is
not a person, that is just a lump of flesh. While at the same time
_condemning_ real people to maiming and death.
You are vile and contemptible.
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
_People_ have rights. A fetus isn't a person, no matter how much you
might whine. My appendix has no "right to live" and a fetus is no more a
"person" than it is.
But no, you whine about the imaginary "baaabieees" and spit on the actual
living _people_. As if a woman is nothing more than a baby factory and
deserves no more consideration than any other object.
You're unspeakable.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 07:15:14 AM |
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"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:04:42 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:4aji24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
You make me sick. You're a pathetic excuse for a "human being," with no
more caring for your fellow person than someone would have for an
insect.
You claim to be trying to "save babies" when in actuality you don't give
a
***** about anything or anyone but yourself and your own bigotry and
preconceptions.
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't
look
out for themselves.
But instead you "look out" for something that is not truly alive, that is
not a person, that is just a lump of flesh. While at the same time
_condemning_ real people to maiming and death.
You are vile and contemptible.
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
_People_ have rights. A fetus isn't a person, no matter how much you
might whine. My appendix has no "right to live" and a fetus is no more a
"person" than it is.
But no, you whine about the imaginary "baaabieees" and spit on the actual
living _people_. As if a woman is nothing more than a baby factory and
deserves no more consideration than any other object.
Ok. We'll let God decide. I'm ok with it.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 08:36:08 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> writes:
"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:htti24-uj71.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:04:42 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:4aji24-ct51.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
You make me sick. You're a pathetic excuse for a "human being," with no
more caring for your fellow person than someone would have for an
insect.
You claim to be trying to "save babies" when in actuality you don't give
a
***** about anything or anyone but yourself and your own bigotry and
preconceptions.
The sign of a true human being is one who looks out for those who can't
look
out for themselves.
But instead you "look out" for something that is not truly alive, that is
not a person, that is just a lump of flesh. While at the same time
_condemning_ real people to maiming and death.
You are vile and contemptible.
The unborn deserve the right to live and not be
discarded because it happens to be inconvenient to keep them.
_People_ have rights. A fetus isn't a person, no matter how much you
might whine. My appendix has no "right to live" and a fetus is no more a
"person" than it is.
But no, you whine about the imaginary "baaabieees" and spit on the actual
living _people_. As if a woman is nothing more than a baby factory and
deserves no more consideration than any other object.
Ok. We'll let God decide. I'm ok with it.
Maybe your supposed god will tell you how many babies I've killed...trouble
is, that's not quite what you apparently want it to be. (Let's see - wife's
been pregnant once and had a daughter; daughter's been pregnant three times
and that's how we have three grandchildren.) Maybe you should lay off the
Milwaukee's Best a bit, wot?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Iowa 1 (November 10)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 15 at Milwaukee, 7:05
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 12:35:26 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:15:14 +0000, Mike Dundee wrote:
"Frank Mayhar" <frank@exit.com> wrote in message
news:htti24-uj71.ln1@tinker.exit.com...
But no, you whine about the imaginary "baaabieees" and spit on the actual
living _people_. As if a woman is nothing more than a baby factory and
deserves no more consideration than any other object.
Ok. We'll let God decide. I'm ok with it.
Right. You hate women. We knew that.
As far as "god" deciding, color me unconcerned.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
12 Nov 2006 08:54:25 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:28:28 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6focl2hbfnagf9rb2pa1soub744qmd36f2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
Or they can CHOOSE to get a legal abortion. FORCING them to choose
between an illegal abortion or an unwanted pregnancy is anti-choice.
But your misogynistic attitude has been noted. Many pregnant women
DIDN'T choose to have sex - it was their husbands' choice.
See above. Their CHOICE.
See above - your misogynism.
We're going to keep trying.
And you're going to keep losing.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically.
It won't. The NUMBER of ABORTIONS didn't go up after 1973, only the
number of legal ones did. If you had lived in the real world back
then you would have known that abortion was almost as common back then
(on a percentage basis) as it is now.
The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
It was completely available before (safe, in hospital on demand
abortions were too in some places), and it was completely accepted,
except by religious nut cases who don't even know that their Bible
advocates abortion on demand OF THE HUSBAND, and that there's not a
single prohibition of abortion in the entire Bible.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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was not born of a virgin."
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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12 Nov 2006 10:09:24 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:28:28 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:6focl2hbfnagf9rb2pa1soub744qmd36f2@4ax.com...
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:32:17 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fcal29ofbmpcgn4s5sslisd773lll8ds2@4ax.com...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
All it does is ensure that a large portion of women who have abortions
will die.
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they
CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
Or they can CHOOSE to get a legal abortion. FORCING them to choose
between an illegal abortion or an unwanted pregnancy is anti-choice.
Only in your mind.
But your misogynistic attitude has been noted. Many pregnant women
DIDN'T choose to have sex - it was their husbands' choice.
You're claiming most pregancies in marriage are the result of rape? You can
prove this of course.
See above. Their CHOICE.
See above - your misogynism.
We're going to keep trying.
And you're going to keep losing.
Only time will tell.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically.
It won't. The NUMBER of ABORTIONS didn't go up after 1973, only the
number of legal ones did. If you had lived in the real world back
then you would have known that abortion was almost as common back then
(on a percentage basis) as it is now.
The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
It was completely available before (safe, in hospital on demand
abortions were too in some places), and it was completely accepted,
except by religious nut cases who don't even know that their Bible
advocates abortion on demand OF THE HUSBAND, and that there's not a
single prohibition of abortion in the entire Bible.
It's so funny seeing people who don't want to know the Bible try to use it
in a debate.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Nov 2006 10:09:18 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 04:09:24 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:a4nfl2hm6qpg148b25aij3devh2n9r63e0@4ax.com...
Their CHOICE. Isn't that what you guys always scream? CHOICE? If they
CHOOSE
to have sex, they can CHOOSE to get an illegal abortion and CHOOSE taking
their life in their own hands.
Or they can CHOOSE to get a legal abortion. FORCING them to choose
between an illegal abortion or an unwanted pregnancy is anti-choice.
Only in your mind.
And in the law and in the Bible.
But your misogynistic attitude has been noted. Many pregnant women
DIDN'T choose to have sex - it was their husbands' choice.
You're claiming most pregancies in marriage are the result of rape?
No, but a misogynist can't be expected to understand a woman's
viewpoint - or even that women HAVE viewpoints.
We're going to keep trying.
And you're going to keep losing.
Only time will tell.
The same attitudes that want to enslave women want to enslave the
world. If fundies win, the rest of the world will, in self defense,
emasculate the US, and force you and yours to live under THEIR rules.
All you can do is kill women AND their fetuses, or allow the fetuses
to be aborted. You can't stop the fetuses from dying.
It will be cut back drastically.
It won't. The NUMBER of ABORTIONS didn't go up after 1973, only the
number of legal ones did. If you had lived in the real world back
then you would have known that abortion was almost as common back then
(on a percentage basis) as it is now.
The abortion rate would not be anywhere
near what it currently is. It's too readily available and too accepted.
See above - you have no argument.
It was completely available before (safe, in hospital on demand
abortions were too in some places), and it was completely accepted
For that either.
except by religious nut cases who don't even know that their Bible
advocates abortion on demand OF THE HUSBAND, and that there's not a
single prohibition of abortion in the entire Bible.
It's so funny seeing people who don't want to know the Bible try to use it
in a debate.
Since I've probably been studying it longer than you've been alive (I
know it, I just don't accept it as anything more than a poorly-written
piece of fiction), that's a funny comment, but it's meaningless. You
don't have to accept that something is true to understand what it
says. If that were true, no one would bother writing fiction.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear
to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
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| User: "JohnN" |
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10 Nov 2006 08:30:19 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:22:44 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
The people of Planned Parenthood are pure evil.
Unlike the anti-choice people who want the girls to die when they get
abortions.
You're NEVER going to stop abortion - all you can stop is LEGAL
abortion.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
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We ccan stop the causes of unwanted pregnacy by teaching and
encouraging birth control. That would stop many abortions.
JohnN
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Nov 2006 05:50:56 PM |
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On 10 Nov 2006 18:30:19 -0800, "JohnN" <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:
We ccan stop the causes of unwanted pregnacy by teaching and
encouraging birth control. That would stop many abortions.
Fundies don't want people using birth control, they want people to
stop having sex.
What they claim is that they want kids to stop having sex, but most
women who have abortions are adults. Birth control short of
sterilization can fail. And post-pubescent "kids" WILL have sex - we
evolved that way.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
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| User: "leo" |
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09 Nov 2006 07:20:16 AM |
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ha escrito:
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
225 San Antonio Rd
Mountain View, CA 94040
(650) 948-0807
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
Democrat Silencer
if the stupid Xians would stop to make a sin of having a child without
bieng married, and if they would stop of trying to make a virtue of
chastity, this would be a little different.
Think about how different things would be, if being a teen impregnated
would be a case of being proud, and everybody in this society would
come to the teenage girl, to praise her for being pregnant, and every
body was eager to come and congratulate her for having a baby, and all
the faithful would go to her, and gave her money to make it easy for
her to have a baby. Just imagine, any unmarried teenage girl with a
baby would be helped, not only with defference, but also she would
receive a lot of employ offers... well, that would be totally
different. But you, morons, had made of this natural happenstance a
great sin, and a sign of opprobium. You are a bunch of morons.
Leopoldo
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