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08 Nov 2006 08:55:49 PM |
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Proposition 85 did not pass |
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
225 San Antonio Rd
Mountain View, CA 94040
(650) 948-0807
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
Democrat Silencer
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
09 Nov 2006 01:07:42 PM |
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leo wrote:
if the stupid Xians would stop to make a sin of having a child without
bieng married, and if they would stop of trying to make a virtue of
chastity, this would be a little different.
Think about how different things would be, if being a teen impregnated
would be a case of being proud, and everybody in this society would
come to the teenage girl, to praise her for being pregnant, and every
body was eager to come and congratulate her for having a baby, and all
the faithful would go to her, and gave her money to make it easy for
her to have a baby. Just imagine, any unmarried teenage girl with a
baby would be helped, not only with defference, but also she would
receive a lot of employ offers... well, that would be totally
different. But you, morons, had made of this natural happenstance a
great sin, and a sign of opprobium. You are a bunch of morons.
Leopoldo
Leo, Sugarpie, I don't know what part of the world you live in, but
here in 'Merica, that's pretty much how it is *now*. It's the height
of fashion for teenage girls to have babies, and nobody condems them
for it.
Most abortions in America are performed on married women who:
*Do not want any children/another child
*Feel they cannot care for another child
*Cannot afford another child
*Do not care to bring a severely handicapped child into the world.
Out of all the women I know who have had scrapes, only one was
unmarried - and that was in the mid-1970s.
The fact is, birth control sometimes fails. We need safe, legal
abortion as backup for that eventuality. Otherwise, women are nothing
but slaves and brood mares, which is what people on the Radical Right
want women to be.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
10 Nov 2006 02:38:07 AM |
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skyeyes wrote:
leo wrote:
if the stupid Xians would stop to make a sin of having a child without
bieng married, and if they would stop of trying to make a virtue of
chastity, this would be a little different.
Think about how different things would be, if being a teen impregnated
would be a case of being proud, and everybody in this society would
come to the teenage girl, to praise her for being pregnant, and every
body was eager to come and congratulate her for having a baby, and all
the faithful would go to her, and gave her money to make it easy for
her to have a baby. Just imagine, any unmarried teenage girl with a
baby would be helped, not only with defference, but also she would
receive a lot of employ offers... well, that would be totally
different. But you, morons, had made of this natural happenstance a
great sin, and a sign of opprobium. You are a bunch of morons.
Leopoldo
Leo, Sugarpie, I don't know what part of the world you live in, but
here in 'Merica, that's pretty much how it is *now*. It's the height
of fashion for teenage girls to have babies, and nobody condems them
for it.
Most abortions in America are performed on married women who:
*Do not want any children/another child
*Feel they cannot care for another child
*Cannot afford another child
*Do not care to bring a severely handicapped child into the world.
Out of all the women I know who have had scrapes, only one was
unmarried - and that was in the mid-1970s.
The fact is, birth control sometimes fails. We need safe, legal
abortion as backup for that eventuality. Otherwise, women are nothing
but slaves and brood mares, which is what people on the Radical Right
want women to be.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!! I agree heartily, but there is still a point
to changing society so that it welcomes young mothers, since that is
a way to prevent genetic disorders that accumulate with age in ova
and sperm production, such as we read the other week as being now
identified as the most likely cause of autism!! Children are best
born by the young and raised by the old, so the parents can work
and produce in their most productive years, and so that the wisdom
and gentleness of the old can benefit the child, and all tribal
societies know this. We should encourage the young to breed without
marriage and then go their way with the child being held by the
mother and father loosely, but being most well loved and tutored
by the benificent supposed "spoiling" of doting grandparents till
they are preteens or teens, and they can begin to imitate their
birth parents' sexuality and productivity.
But abortion should always be the treasured backstop of contraception
that makes women as free as men.
Steve
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
10 Nov 2006 08:27:23 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:38:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
Children are best
born by the young and raised by the old, so the parents can work
and produce in their most productive years, and so that the wisdom
and gentleness of the old can benefit the child, and all tribal
societies know this. We should encourage the young to breed without
marriage and then go their way with the child being held by the
mother and father loosely, but being most well loved and tutored
by the benificent supposed "spoiling" of doting grandparents till
they are preteens or teens, and they can begin to imitate their
birth parents' sexuality and productivity.
But abortion should always be the treasured backstop of contraception
that makes women as free as men.
You're describing exactly what DID happen until we became "civilized"
- which is about the single worst tragedy that ever befell mankind.
Girls were free to have sex as soon as they were physically mature,
abortion was between a pregnant woman and whoever in the tribe was
responsible for them, and grandparents and great grandparents (or
aunts and uncles in some societies) raised young children from the
time they were weaned.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 03:09:40 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 08:38:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
Children are best
born by the young and raised by the old, so the parents can work
and produce in their most productive years, and so that the wisdom
and gentleness of the old can benefit the child, and all tribal
societies know this. We should encourage the young to breed without
marriage and then go their way with the child being held by the
mother and father loosely, but being most well loved and tutored
by the benificent supposed "spoiling" of doting grandparents till
they are preteens or teens, and they can begin to imitate their
birth parents' sexuality and productivity.
But abortion should always be the treasured backstop of contraception
that makes women as free as men.
You're describing exactly what DID happen until we became "civilized"
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Nonsense, we're not "civilized". All the human species did was head
into a sexuophobic superstitious blind alley of anti-development,
which it is now beginning to systematically back out of.
- which is about the single worst tragedy that ever befell mankind.
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Amen!!
Girls were free to have sex as soon as they were physically mature,
abortion was between a pregnant woman and whoever in the tribe was
responsible for them, and grandparents and great grandparents (or
aunts and uncles in some societies) raised young children from the
time they were weaned.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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Agreed! Abso-Fucking-Lutely!
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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I have applauded the more sensible theisms I could conceive of, till
recently, but now I don't trust humans anywhere near speculation,
they always seem to turn it into superstition!
Steve
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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09 Nov 2006 03:26:17 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
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This is because unborn fetuses are NOT PERSONS. To be PERSONS you have
to be aware and remember, and NOBODY remembers being a fucking fetus!!
This is similar to not remembering having been a rock, even though
patently your bodily elements were once rocks. We don't care about
rocks either!
And all objections regarding consciousness of those who sleep or are
in reversable coma are obvious frauds. Once someone HAS been a Person,
he has a right to our protection till it is proven that his Person
will never again awaken. He has that protection merely because WE
want that protection TOO!
BUT: Nobody seriously thinks anyone will EVER be killed as a conscious
fetus!! That's because we ALL know that we HAVE NO memory of that
phase of human tissue life. And without memory, there can be NO
Awareness, NO Being!
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
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Except that you don't HAVE any of THOSE!
Steve
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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09 Nov 2006 01:23:42 PM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> spake thusly and wrote:
This is because unborn fetuses are NOT PERSONS. To be PERSONS you have
to be aware and remember
To bad they quit using these readers. Could have quelled a
lot of truly industrial strength ignorance. Apparently
"liberalism" is not a new thing at all.
Substitute the word "fetus" for the word "egg".
I'm reminded of a poem that My Grandfather used
to recite at age 92 (he was a school teacher
back in the days of the one room school.)
There was once a pretty chicken;
But his friends were very few,
For he thought that there was nothing
In the world but what he knew:
So he always, in the farmyard,
Had a very forward way,
Telling all the hens and turkeys
What they ought to do and say.
"Mrs. Goose," he said, "I wonder
That your goslings you should let
Go out paddling in the water;
It will kill them to get wet."
"I wish, my old Aunt Dorking,"
He began to her, one day,
"That you wouldn't sit all summer
In your nest upon the hay.
Won't you come out to the meadow
Where the grass with seeds is filled?"
"If I should," said Mrs. Dorking,
"Then my eggs would all get chilled."
"No, they won't," replied the chicken,
"And no matter if they do;
Eggs are really good for nothing;
What's an egg to me or you?"
"What's an egg!" said Mrs. Dorking,
"Can it be you do not know
You yourself were in an eggshell
Just one little month ago?
And, if kind wings had not warmed you,
You would not be out to-day,
Telling hens, and geese, and turkeys,
What they ought to do and say!"
"To be very wise, and show it,
Is a pleasant thing, not doubt;
But, when young folks talk to old folks,
They should know what they're about"
Marian Douglas - from McGuffey's Third Eclectic Reader
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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10 Nov 2006 02:51:31 AM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> spake thusly and wrote:
This is because unborn fetuses are NOT PERSONS. To be PERSONS you have
to be aware and remember
To bad they quit using these readers. Could have quelled a
lot of truly industrial strength ignorance. Apparently
"liberalism" is not a new thing at all.
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You're incompetent to express yourself, and in trying to change the
newsgroup line you make plain your cowardice!!
Substitute the word "fetus" for the word "egg".
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Stick in ovum, blastula, embryo, zygote or whatever, none of them
are Persons.
I'm reminded of a poem that My Grandfather used
to recite at age 92 (he was a school teacher
back in the days of the one room school.)
There was once a pretty chicken;
But his friends were very few,
For he thought that there was nothing
In the world but what he knew:
So he always, in the farmyard,
Had a very forward way,
Telling all the hens and turkeys
What they ought to do and say.
"Mrs. Goose," he said, "I wonder
That your goslings you should let
Go out paddling in the water;
It will kill them to get wet."
"I wish, my old Aunt Dorking,"
He began to her, one day,
"That you wouldn't sit all summer
In your nest upon the hay.
Won't you come out to the meadow
Where the grass with seeds is filled?"
"If I should," said Mrs. Dorking,
"Then my eggs would all get chilled."
"No, they won't," replied the chicken,
"And no matter if they do;
Eggs are really good for nothing;
What's an egg to me or you?"
"What's an egg!" said Mrs. Dorking,
"Can it be you do not know
You yourself were in an eggshell
Just one little month ago?
And, if kind wings had not warmed you,
You would not be out to-day,
Telling hens, and geese, and turkeys,
What they ought to do and say!"
"To be very wise, and show it,
Is a pleasant thing, not doubt;
But, when young folks talk to old folks,
They should know what they're about"
Marian Douglas - from McGuffey's Third Eclectic Reader
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More posturing garbage by the wannabe wise incompetent and mentally
infirm of the insane Right Wing Superstitionists!
All who live were once this or that, which has nothing to do with
whether we should preserve every *****-fucking this or that! You
pretend that future potential confers rights blindly. It does NOT!
Sperm have future potential, and we spew them all over. I suppose you
lot would have us gather them all up and do our best to find each an
ovum to fertilize! We'd be neck-deep in fucking humans in a decade!!
And as for age, lots of us, including me, are lots older than you are,
you ignorant posturing young *****! Your trite parable applies more to
YOU!
Steve
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
10 Nov 2006 09:55:51 AM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You're incompetent to express yourself,
You do make a strong case for allowing the liberals to terminate
their spawn. You really do.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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11 Nov 2006 02:59:24 AM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You're incompetent to express yourself,
You do make a strong case for allowing the liberals to terminate
their spawn. You really do.
Pastor Winter
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We only do it to self-limit our ecological impact.
But when we get round to you ***** we'll do ALL of you.
Steve
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
10 Nov 2006 08:17:45 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:26:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
This is because unborn fetuses are NOT PERSONS. To be PERSONS you have
to be aware and remember, and NOBODY remembers being a fucking fetus!!
Legally you just have to born ... or a corporation.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
11 Nov 2006 03:05:18 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:26:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
This is because unborn fetuses are NOT PERSONS. To be PERSONS you have
to be aware and remember, and NOBODY remembers being a fucking fetus!!
Legally you just have to born ... or a corporation.
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Once more the law is an *****. Infanticide should be legal for at
LEAST a week! Newborn are provably non-self-aware.
Steve
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
09 Nov 2006 12:05:41 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
225 San Antonio Rd
Mountain View, CA 94040
(650) 948-0807
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
JERRY
Facts?! LOL. John, you wouldn't know a fact if one sat up and slapped
you across the face (corporal punishment, anyone?).
And I know this because I've watched people, including myself, slap you
with facts to show you were wrong.
How about this fact? According to your bible, aborting a child is a
misdemeanor, punishable according to your god by slapping a fine on the
person who caused the abortion to be paid to the father.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Nov 2006 08:16:33 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2006 22:05:41 -0800, "rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote:
How about this fact? According to your bible, aborting a child is a
misdemeanor, punishable according to your god by slapping a fine on the
person who caused the abortion to be paid to the father.
Unless the father WANTS the pregnancy ended, in which case it's
perfectly okay.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
09 Nov 2006 10:39:05 AM |
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rogue wrote:
caelection2006@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/5264134/detail.html
The good news is that Props 1-A, 1-B, 1-E & Props 83 & 90 all passed!
Also Props 86-89 all went down!
Prop 85 should also have passed, but it did not. But even it did pass,
its not like the state can stop the many irresponsible High School
girls from having kids and aborting on them. Many of the liberal
unsaved parents would support their decision to abort on the unborn
babies anyways. Heck I bet many of the "liberal Christians" thta are
all around this area would support abortion as well.
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
225 San Antonio Rd
Mountain View, CA 94040
(650) 948-0807
Its not Biblical to bomb them, but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
JERRY
Facts?! LOL. John, you wouldn't know a fact if one sat up and slapped
you across the face (corporal punishment, anyone?).
Make sure you use a whip. Wolf likes whips.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
09 Nov 2006 09:57:41 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:55:49 -0800, caelection2006 wrote:
Its not Biblical to bomb them,
It's not "biblical" to worship the human power of politics either. But
that hasn't stopped you people has it?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"...otherwise, we're looking at the potential
of this kind of world:.... a world in which
oil reserves are controlled by radicals in order
to extract blackmail from the West..." [George Bush]
Wait... oil reserves?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Proposition 85 did not pass |
08 Nov 2006 10:05:31 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (caelection2006@yahoo.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
In the meantime you can help the fight against abortion by writing to
the unsaved people that run this organization.
<info snipped>
Its not Biblical to bomb them,
Of course it is.
but its a good use of ones time and
resources to challenge these people with the facts.
What facts? That zygotes are children? That souls are installed upon
conception? Got any evidence to support those "facts"?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
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