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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 06 Mar 2006 11:27:09 AM
Object: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction
These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html
British Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction
Grangetown, England (LifeNews.com) -- Though a doctor initially predicted
their unborn baby may not survive the pregnancy or live long after birth, a
British couple is thankful they followed their instincts and refused to have
an abortion. They say a second opinion from a specialist made a huge
difference.
Stacy Jackson and Lee Scott say they were warned by a doctor at Sunderland
Royal Hospital that their baby would have such sever brain damage that it
would be best to have an abortion.
"We were told the baby would be lucky to get through the pregnancy or that
even if he did he may only last a day, a week or a month, but that he would
not survive," Jackson, a 20 year-old first time mother told the Sunderland
Today magazine.
"I was just so upset, it was such a shock. I think it must have been
motherly instinct. I knew my baby and I knew it wasn't true," she explained.
The news came from Jackson's obstetrician who told them of the problems
after Jackson had we 20 week ultrasound scan.
Jackson says the couple had been trying for two years to get pregnant and
Lee said the couple were searching for answers following the initial
diagnosis.
"We were devastated," he told Sunderland Today. "We were asking all the
possibilities. Was there anything at all that could be done?"
Jackson said the couple sought a second opinion from Dr. Stephen Sturgis, a
fetal surgeon at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary. Sturgis confirmed
their baby had "fluid on the brain" and that their unborn son Jaxon had
fetal ventriculomegaly, where parts of the brain become enlarged.
"Dr. Sturgis said there was a 60 per cent chance of him being all right and
we decided to give our baby that chance," Lee told the newsmagazine.
Jaxon was born on December 20 and an MRI scan a few days later showed no
brain damage, though some fluid had to be drained from the baby's brain and
he will have to undergo surgery because of problems with his digestive
system.
Otherwise, baby Jaxon is fine and the couple are happy.
"He's our miracle baby and I'm so glad I followed my mother's instinct."
Jackson told Sunderland Today.
"We want other couples to know about the importance of seeking a second
opinion," Lee added. "What if I wait until Jaxon is better and take him to
the hospital to say this is the child that could have been terminated? I'm
not happy about the way we were treated. I think we should have been offered
all the options."
Paul Danon, a representative of the British pro-life group Society for the
Protection of Unborn Children, told the magazine, "Abortion is offered all
too readily as an apparent solution to an apparent problem and is too
quickly jumped to as though it was some sort of medical procedure, as if it
would make things better."
--
" The truth shall set you free "
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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 05:23:19 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.

So? It was THEIR CHOICE, moron. They chose...what's the problem?
--
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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 05:38:30 PM
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.


So? It was THEIR CHOICE, moron. They chose...what's the problem?

That the medical establishment advised them to abort their own child.
You missed that part?


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LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (March 5)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, March 7 vs. Chicago, 7:05

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User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 09:34:24 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.

So? It was THEIR CHOICE, moron. They chose...what's the problem?

That the medical establishment advised them to abort their own child.
You missed that part?

So? Were they under some obligation to obey the doctor's advice? (There is a
reason it's -advice-, moron.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (March 5)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, March 7 vs. Chicago, 7:05
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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 09:59:21 PM
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:


These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.


So? It was THEIR CHOICE, moron. They chose...what's the problem?


That the medical establishment advised them to abort their own child.
You missed that part?


So? Were they under some obligation to obey the doctor's advice? (There
is a
reason it's -advice-, moron.)

You think patients don't heed governmentally-licensed physicians' advice
nowadays any at all?
So, How many other bogus peices of advice is the governmentally-licensed
medical establishment handing out nowadays?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
You think that doctors are infallible?
Since you don't, that is why they have to be TOLD WHAT TO DO!
They must be told what to do so they do not mislead patients into
catastrophic consequences.
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 10:30:46 PM
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby would have been just another statistic.

So? It was THEIR CHOICE, moron. They chose...what's the problem?

That the medical establishment advised them to abort their own child.
You missed that part?

So? Were they under some obligation to obey the doctor's advice? (There
is a reason it's -advice-, moron.)

You think patients don't heed governmentally-licensed physicians' advice
nowadays any at all?

That's your assumption, not mine. You still can't understand what you read.

So, How many other bogus peices of advice is the governmentally-licensed
medical establishment handing out nowadays?

You'll have to do your own detecive work, as I made no claims of bogus advice
from MDs.

LOL!!!!!!!!! You think that doctors are infallible?

No, but then I've dealt with a few of them in my life.

Since you don't, that is why they have to be TOLD WHAT TO DO!

Not by festering fucknuts like you, unless you're a patient of theirs.

They must be told what to do so they do not mislead patients into
catastrophic consequences.

Be sure and tell them that the next time you're hospitalized.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
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User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 12:03:42 PM
In article <dZSdndS0kLWc7JHZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...

Jaxon was born on December 20 and an MRI scan a few days later showed no
brain damage, though some fluid had to be drained from the baby's brain and
he will have to undergo surgery because of problems with his digestive
system.

Even if the story weren't fabricated, which it probably is, a single MRI
at this point can't quarantee that the kid will be able to function as
normal. They only accept the diagnoses that they want to hear. But, of
course, when the kid turns out to be mentally handicapped in future
years, there will be nobody to do a follow up story.

"He's our miracle baby

Yes, god miraculously gave him a severe in utereo brain disorder which
secular medicine may or may not have been fully able to address. Some
miracle.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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User: "Conspiracy of Doves"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 12:01:58 PM
J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html

Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.
.
User: "Ph˙ltęr"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 07 Mar 2006 07:08:59 AM
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:1141668118.193864.31350@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:


J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their

baby

would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


that's called "counting the hits and ignoring the misses"...
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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 01:28:17 PM
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.

What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort other
persons' children to make their money?
.
User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 03:03:59 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other persons' children to make their money?

Wow! Great logic! That means that doctors WANT us all to be sick and
injured! Dentists WANT us to eat sugar and ruin our teeth! Opthamologists
WANT us to be poked in the eye with a sharp stick!
Those bastards!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet



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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 03:48:23 PM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other persons' children to make their money?


Wow! Great logic! That means that doctors WANT us all to be sick and
injured! Dentists WANT us to eat sugar and ruin our teeth! Opthamologists
WANT us to be poked in the eye with a sharp stick!

Killing whole perons is different from not killing whole persons.

Those bastards!

You typed that.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet





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User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 09:34:22 PM
Johnny wrote:

"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.



What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort other
persons' children to make their money?


Planned Parenthood offers its services for free to poor patients.
Ooops.
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User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 09:56:13 PM
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Johnny wrote:

"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.



What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other persons' children to make their money?


Planned Parenthood offers its services for free to poor patients.

Ooops.

You just lost your cookies, huh?
Why is it that Planned Parenthood has to whine for TAX DOLLARS to cover
these "FREE" abortions then?
Leechbrain.
.


User: "Adam H"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 03:01:58 PM
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141668118.193864.31350@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...


J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort other
persons' children to make their money?

The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 03:47:25 PM
"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other
persons' children to make their money?


The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?

That doesn't show it. If that were the case and the profit motive were used
to form medical practice, then abortions would be outlawed pronto by the
AMA.
.
User: "Adam H"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 03:51:35 PM
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:47:25 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other
persons' children to make their money?


The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?


That doesn't show it. If that were the case and the profit motive were used
to form medical practice, then abortions would be outlawed pronto by the
AMA.

So, you admit that profit motive ISN'T part of medical practice.
Finally, an admission that your 'abortionists do it for the money'
claim is false.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 04:54:10 PM
"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:47:25 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other
persons' children to make their money?


The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?


That doesn't show it. If that were the case and the profit motive were
used
to form medical practice, then abortions would be outlawed pronto by the
AMA.


So, you admit that profit motive ISN'T part of medical practice.

No. I didn't.

Finally, an admission that your 'abortionists do it for the money'
claim is false.

*****. Name any abortion doctor who did it for nothing.
And, do NOT foget that Planned parenthood compensates abortion doctors who
make the false claim that they are offering free abortions with tax dollars.
.
User: "Adam H"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 06:19:32 PM
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:54:10 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:47:25 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:17 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:


"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other
persons' children to make their money?


The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?


That doesn't show it. If that were the case and the profit motive were
used
to form medical practice, then abortions would be outlawed pronto by the
AMA.


So, you admit that profit motive ISN'T part of medical practice.


No. I didn't.

You said just up there that profit motive was not used to form medical
practice. Is it or not?


Finally, an admission that your 'abortionists do it for the money'
claim is false.


*****. Name any abortion doctor who did it for nothing.
And, do NOT foget that Planned parenthood compensates abortion doctors who
make the false claim that they are offering free abortions with tax dollars.

So, you were telling a falsehood somewhere in the thread. Where was
it?
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 08:38:11 PM
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J Young wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice,
their
baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html



Notice how fundies like J Young completly ignore the majority of
cases
where the doctor is right and only focus on the tiny minority of
cases
where the doctor turned out to be wrong.


What part of the business of abortion doesn't show you that they abort
other
persons' children to make their money?


The part where any doctor makes many more times the money on a
pregnancy?


That doesn't show it. If that were the case and the profit motive were
used
to form medical practice, then abortions would be outlawed pronto by the
AMA.


So, you admit that profit motive ISN'T part of medical practice.


No. I didn't.


You said just up there that profit motive was not used to form medical
practice. Is it or not?

You don't understand the word "if"?


Finally, an admission that your 'abortionists do it for the money'
claim is false.


*****. Name any abortion doctor who did it for nothing.
And, do NOT forget that Planned parenthood compensates abortion doctors
who
make the false claim that they are offering free abortions with tax
dollars.


So, you were telling a falsehood somewhere in the thread. Where was
it?

If you didn't see one of them why do you ask me where it is?
Your quibbling is infantile and it does nothing but delay progress.
.








User: "Alberich"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 11:48:29 AM
J Young--
I've got to side with Yang on this. (Never thought I'd be saying
that...) He's right: This has absolutely no relevance to the atheist
newsgroup. And, really, I'm not sure it's relevant even to the
Catholic one. The abortion group...sure. But all you are doing
posting to atheism is upsetting them, causing them to post in arc-rc.
And when that happens, there goes the signal-to-noise ratio, ever
lower. So do us all a favor, please(!)--if you want to keep up the
crusade agaist abortion, post in the appropriate spot, huh?
Alberich
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:27:09 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html




British Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction




Grangetown, England (LifeNews.com) -- Though a doctor initially predicted
their unborn baby may not survive the pregnancy or live long after birth, a
British couple is thankful they followed their instincts and refused to have
an abortion. They say a second opinion from a specialist made a huge
difference.
Stacy Jackson and Lee Scott say they were warned by a doctor at Sunderland
Royal Hospital that their baby would have such sever brain damage that it
would be best to have an abortion.

"We were told the baby would be lucky to get through the pregnancy or that
even if he did he may only last a day, a week or a month, but that he would
not survive," Jackson, a 20 year-old first time mother told the Sunderland
Today magazine.

"I was just so upset, it was such a shock. I think it must have been
motherly instinct. I knew my baby and I knew it wasn't true," she explained.

The news came from Jackson's obstetrician who told them of the problems
after Jackson had we 20 week ultrasound scan.

Jackson says the couple had been trying for two years to get pregnant and
Lee said the couple were searching for answers following the initial
diagnosis.

"We were devastated," he told Sunderland Today. "We were asking all the
possibilities. Was there anything at all that could be done?"

Jackson said the couple sought a second opinion from Dr. Stephen Sturgis, a
fetal surgeon at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary. Sturgis confirmed
their baby had "fluid on the brain" and that their unborn son Jaxon had
fetal ventriculomegaly, where parts of the brain become enlarged.

"Dr. Sturgis said there was a 60 per cent chance of him being all right and
we decided to give our baby that chance," Lee told the newsmagazine.

Jaxon was born on December 20 and an MRI scan a few days later showed no
brain damage, though some fluid had to be drained from the baby's brain and
he will have to undergo surgery because of problems with his digestive
system.

Otherwise, baby Jaxon is fine and the couple are happy.

"He's our miracle baby and I'm so glad I followed my mother's instinct."
Jackson told Sunderland Today.

"We want other couples to know about the importance of seeking a second
opinion," Lee added. "What if I wait until Jaxon is better and take him to
the hospital to say this is the child that could have been terminated? I'm
not happy about the way we were treated. I think we should have been offered
all the options."

Paul Danon, a representative of the British pro-life group Society for the
Protection of Unborn Children, told the magazine, "Abortion is offered all
too readily as an apparent solution to an apparent problem and is too
quickly jumped to as though it was some sort of medical procedure, as if it
would make things better."

.
User: "Malcolm"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 07 Mar 2006 02:38:28 PM
"Alberich" <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:11to0250kp5fqth1ls1l58danjb4ft70cn@4ax.com...

J Young--

I've got to side with Yang on this. (Never thought I'd be saying
that...) He's right: This has absolutely no relevance to the atheist
newsgroup. And, really, I'm not sure it's relevant even to the
Catholic one. The abortion group...sure. But all you are doing
posting to atheism is upsetting them, causing them to post in arc-rc.
And when that happens, there goes the signal-to-noise ratio, ever
lower. So do us all a favor, please(!)--if you want to keep up the
crusade agaist abortion, post in the appropriate spot, huh?

Alberich

Very little is off-topic for the Catholic group.
Music, art, astronomy, evolutionary biology, literature, sexuality,
government policy, history. We deal with it all.
The only things which are really off-topic are very narrow subjects of no
interest to the general public. A post on knitting patterns would be clearly
non-topical, for example.
The Resurrection is the central truth round which all others revolve. That
is why.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $6.90 paper, available www.lulu.com
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 10:40:34 PM
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:48:29 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

J Young--

I've got to side with Yang on this. (Never thought I'd be saying
that...) He's right: This has absolutely no relevance to the atheist
newsgroup. And, really, I'm not sure it's relevant even to the
Catholic one. The abortion group...sure. But all you are doing
posting to atheism is upsetting them, causing them to post in arc-rc.
And when that happens, there goes the signal-to-noise ratio, ever
lower. So do us all a favor, please(!)--if you want to keep up the
crusade agaist abortion, post in the appropriate spot, huh?

Alberich

Thank you. I will stop stop taking arc-rc hostage over J Young's
stupidity.


On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:27:09 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.




http://www.lifenews.com/nat2127.html




British Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction




Grangetown, England (LifeNews.com) -- Though a doctor initially predicted
their unborn baby may not survive the pregnancy or live long after birth, a
British couple is thankful they followed their instincts and refused to have
an abortion. They say a second opinion from a specialist made a huge
difference.
Stacy Jackson and Lee Scott say they were warned by a doctor at Sunderland
Royal Hospital that their baby would have such sever brain damage that it
would be best to have an abortion.

"We were told the baby would be lucky to get through the pregnancy or that
even if he did he may only last a day, a week or a month, but that he would
not survive," Jackson, a 20 year-old first time mother told the Sunderland
Today magazine.

"I was just so upset, it was such a shock. I think it must have been
motherly instinct. I knew my baby and I knew it wasn't true," she explained.

The news came from Jackson's obstetrician who told them of the problems
after Jackson had we 20 week ultrasound scan.

Jackson says the couple had been trying for two years to get pregnant and
Lee said the couple were searching for answers following the initial
diagnosis.

"We were devastated," he told Sunderland Today. "We were asking all the
possibilities. Was there anything at all that could be done?"

Jackson said the couple sought a second opinion from Dr. Stephen Sturgis, a
fetal surgeon at Newcastle's Royal Victoria Infirmary. Sturgis confirmed
their baby had "fluid on the brain" and that their unborn son Jaxon had
fetal ventriculomegaly, where parts of the brain become enlarged.

"Dr. Sturgis said there was a 60 per cent chance of him being all right and
we decided to give our baby that chance," Lee told the newsmagazine.

Jaxon was born on December 20 and an MRI scan a few days later showed no
brain damage, though some fluid had to be drained from the baby's brain and
he will have to undergo surgery because of problems with his digestive
system.

Otherwise, baby Jaxon is fine and the couple are happy.

"He's our miracle baby and I'm so glad I followed my mother's instinct."
Jackson told Sunderland Today.

"We want other couples to know about the importance of seeking a second
opinion," Lee added. "What if I wait until Jaxon is better and take him to
the hospital to say this is the child that could have been terminated? I'm
not happy about the way we were treated. I think we should have been offered
all the options."

Paul Danon, a representative of the British pro-life group Society for the
Protection of Unborn Children, told the magazine, "Abortion is offered all
too readily as an apparent solution to an apparent problem and is too
quickly jumped to as though it was some sort of medical procedure, as if it
would make things better."

-----
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a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2301 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
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Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
.
User: "Alberich"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 07 Mar 2006 12:18:31 AM
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:40:34 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:48:29 GMT, Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

J Young--

I've got to side with Yang on this. (Never thought I'd be saying
that...) He's right: This has absolutely no relevance to the atheist
newsgroup. And, really, I'm not sure it's relevant even to the
Catholic one. The abortion group...sure. But all you are doing
posting to atheism is upsetting them, causing them to post in arc-rc.
And when that happens, there goes the signal-to-noise ratio, ever
lower. So do us all a favor, please(!)--if you want to keep up the
crusade agaist abortion, post in the appropriate spot, huh?

Alberich


Thank you. I will stop stop taking arc-rc hostage over J Young's
stupidity.

Many thanks. Now we need only liberate it from those like J Young...
/sigh/
Alberich
.



User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's Health Prediction 06 Mar 2006 01:27:01 PM
Looks like some doctor agenda to try to kill off other persons' progeny
while they run up huge medical bills so they can bang more women.
I wonder how many doctors are having their own children aborted?
Got to consider the business abortion doctors are in as they try to make
money for themselves and their own families.
Conflict of interest is quite evident here.
"Kill other persons' babies to provide for your own."
The NARAL motto.
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Proud Parents Opt Against Abortion Despite Doctor's HealthPrediction 06 Mar 2006 08:34:56 PM
in article dZSdndS0kLWc7JHZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/6/06 12:27 PM:

These are the occurences that make even the most sceptical person '
pro-life'. Had these parents listened to their doctor's advice, their baby
would have been just another statistic.


And perhaps God will kill off the father so J Yo can marry the
mother...
Paul
.


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