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PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST |
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to
congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you",
because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief -
he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu,
because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on
the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses
his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or
qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be
logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to
first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have
and then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that 'this is a pen', for the
opposite person to say, 'it is not a pen', he should know what is the
definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise
or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is
not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an
atheist to say 'there is no God', he should at least know the concept
of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in
which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got
human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god.
Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false
gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with
something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights
to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense
that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has
a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the
correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful
religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible
with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about
Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every
Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha
Allah not refuse.
(You may refer to my article, 'Concept of God in Islam', for more
details)
QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material
provided in the 'Concept of God in Islam' to an atheist may satisfy
some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I
agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use
scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove
the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur'an is a
revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen
or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a
question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to
provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little
bit of thinking, he will reply, 'the creator of that object.' Some may
say 'the producer' while others may say 'the manufacturer.' What ever
answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always
be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of
the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don't
grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be
same, therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN: for details on this subject
please refer to my book, 'THE QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE - COMPATIBLE
OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as 'Theory of Probability'. If
you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the
chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the
two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly
if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50%
(1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances
that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half.
But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half
multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50%
which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that
you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8
or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12 1/2%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number
between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If
you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will
be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36.
If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three
guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is
less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur'an, and assume that
a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the
Qur'an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability
of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people thought the world was
flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It
could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,
heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur'an rightly says
it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being
correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The
Qur'an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the
chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is
reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur'an also mentions every living thing is made of water.
Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper,
aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water,
cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur'an
rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess,
the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of
all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is
reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is
1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur'an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men
at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .
0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the
hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them
being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single
wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses
without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a
logical person that the origin of the Qur'an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR'AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned
all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered,
is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any
person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able
to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the 'CREATOR', the
producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In
the English language He is 'God', or more appropriate in the Arabic
language, 'ALLAH'.
QUR'AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur'an is not a book of Science, 'S-C-I-E-N-
C-E' but a book of Signs 'S-I-G-N-S' i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur'an
contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. 'signs', out of which more than
a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the
Qur'an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick
because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is
being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur'an is the Furqan
i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick
which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the
ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a
times takes 'U' turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only
to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not
scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick
of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur'an is the
word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his
yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur'an was revealed
1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same
conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible
with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little
knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of
science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating
models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this
into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a
small 'g' that is fake god) but God (with a capital 'G').
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the
earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that
this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all
things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST |
01 Dec 2007 08:53:52 AM |
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"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of it."
<born_to_be_muslim@hotmail.com> wrote:
The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with
the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, 'La ilaaha' -
meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already done; now the only
part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I shall do Insha Allah.
With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds
the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of
one true God.
It's interesting that one of the core "beliefs" of both Islam and
Christianity is a prominent non-compete clause. Religions embrace the
concept of monopoly just as ruthlessly as Microsoft or AT&T--actually
more ruthlessly since both religions have long histories of murder and
war over this "one true God" lunacy.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
Remaining ***** snipped. We've seen it countless times before, and it
didn't convince us then either. Sorry, little fella...
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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30 Nov 2007 07:15:58 PM |
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"\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of it.\""
<born_to_be_muslim@hotmail.com> wrote in news:981f5b33-bc6a-4c6c-9f63-
5bd224821671@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
....
At the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people thought the world was
flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It
could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,
heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur'an rightly says
it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being
correct is 1/30.
yaaaaawwwwnnnnnn
Astronomers in India figured it out twelve hundred years before your book
of myths was written. The Greeks figured it out about three hundred years
later.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The
Qur'an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the
chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is
reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Jeez, Einstein. Anyone can see that the moon goes through regular phases.
Clearly it does not produce it's own light. Also, if the moon produced it's
own light then it would not be eclipsed by the earth's shadow.
Regards,
Josef
They who depend upon manifest observations will
philosophize better than those who persist in opinions
repugnant to the senses.
-- Galileo Galilei
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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30 Nov 2007 07:25:19 PM |
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Josef Balluch wrote:
"\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of it.\""
<born_to_be_muslim@hotmail.com> wrote in news:981f5b33-bc6a-4c6c-9f63-
5bd224821671@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
...
At the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people thought the world was
flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It
could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal,
heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur'an rightly says
it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being
correct is 1/30.
yaaaaawwwwnnnnnn
Astronomers in India figured it out twelve hundred years before your book
of myths was written. The Greeks figured it out about three hundred years
later.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The
Qur'an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the
chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is
reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Jeez, Einstein. Anyone can see that the moon goes through regular phases.
Clearly it does not produce it's own light. Also, if the moon produced it's
own light then it would not be eclipsed by the earth's shadow.
Regards,
Josef
They who depend upon manifest observations will
philosophize better than those who persist in opinions
repugnant to the senses.
-- Galileo Galilei
Isn't it funny how theists of any persuasion will grasp at any straw to
try and support their position?
Strange how none of these sacred texts even once mentions cures for
things like small pox or polio.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.
moslem cartoon character mohammad was a child molesting goat fucker
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| User: "James Fenimore" |
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30 Nov 2007 04:41:50 PM |
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ISLAM, MUHAMMAD, and ALLAH -- ABOMINATIONS ALL!
"Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton"
ANOTHER MUSLIM *****-IN!
This typical muslim-motherfuckers' reaction is among the reasons why
the late JERRY FALWELL called Islam an --- EVIL RELIGION.
But even more than evil, Islam is a religion of SLAVISH and SERVILE
IGNORANCE!
Calling for the death of any human being for ANY reason is itself
evil.
But to condemn a person for "dishonoring" another mere person -- which
is all Muhammad was -- is an ACT OF IGNORANCE!
Scholars now accept that Muhammad was far less than a paradigm of
love, kindness, charity, and purity.
He was a physically repugnant, unwashed, illiterate, bisexual, hell-
raising glutton, drug user, and alcohol abuser. Morality was not
Muhammad's strong point. Ever.
The fact that this disgusting, loathsome, uneducated, unenlightened
buffoon could spur a major religion is testimony to the type of duped
and dimwitted human flotsam who continue to "worship" and hold up this
immoral jerk as a veritable deity. And as a messenger of another
ridiculous Islamic creation, "ALLAH," to whom unschooled Muslims are
forced to pray daily, with their asses raised to heaven and their
faces mashed into the ground!
This the face of Islam. This is cultism. This is an abomination.
Muslims, loathed and riduculed for their laughable beliefs, especially
regarding an afterlife, would bring less criticism upon their jack-*****
"religion" if they'd condemn and banish reactions such as that heaped
upon Gillian Gibbons.
But as the world has witnessed for centuries, Islam is indeed an EVIL
religion to which a billion IGNORANT and BENIGHTED humans so foolishly
adhere.
It's nothing to be proud of.
What do you say let's republish those funny Muhammad cartoons!
Didn't one depict Muhammad as an .... UGLY BEAR?
In the meantime, riot and kill each other, you fuckin' Muslims!
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST |
30 Nov 2007 04:47:44 PM |
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In article
<981f5b33-bc6a-4c6c-9f63-5bd224821671@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
"\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of it.\""
<born_to_be_muslim@hotmail.com> wrote:
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God.
For a person to say "show me this thing that you call a god", that
person need have no definition of your notion of a god.
For that same person to say, "since there is no one who can show me
their god, there need not be any such thing as a god" is quite
reasonable.
If I hold a book and say that 'this is a pen', for the
opposite person to say, 'it is not a pen', he should know what is the
definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise
or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is
not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an
atheist to say 'there is no God', he should at least know the concept
of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in
which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got
human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god.
Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false
gods.
The atheist merely does not believe in one more god than the Muslim.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with
something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights
to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense
that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam.
That there are Muslims who are terrorists, and who cite their religion
as justification for that terrorism is fact
That not all Muslims are terrorists is also fact. But is it not the duty
of those who are not to control, in the name of their religion, those
who blaspheme it as a justification for terrorism?
When you have cleaned up that little problem, feel free to continue.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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30 Nov 2007 04:56:01 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:13:48 -0800 (PST), "\"We are Muslims, and we
are extremely proud of it.\"" <born_to_be_muslim@hotmail.com> wrote:
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
What is it with you in-our-face, stupid morons?
If you were even capable of thinking, which your barbaric medieval
religion forbids, you would know to use real, world,
outside-your-religion concepts instead of rudely and stupidly
projecting your infantile religious presumptions where they simply
don't apply.
Now go back to fucking your camels and goats, and to fantasising you
are being buggered by Mohammed when you masturbate.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST |
30 Nov 2007 05:53:28 PM |
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human is really a very funny creature , two eyes ,two legs , two
ears , one brain , one heart a very long tongue some legs
and some fingers to type on the keyboard , a microscopic creature , it
is a honor for me to have the possibility in my imagination in my
heart to talk about my creator ALLAH .
some miserable ignorant people thinks they are intelligent ,big or
maybe strong maybe they can control their respiration their blood
movement .oh human you are
weeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak,poooooooooooooooooooooooor, you don't
know the right way youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooost.
because i like you , i love you
i will show you the way
the way is simply "islam"
be a muslim
save yourself.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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30 Nov 2007 06:07:06 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:53:28 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
human is really a very funny creature , two eyes ,two legs , two
ears , one brain , one heart a very long tongue some legs
and some fingers to type on the keyboard , a microscopic creature , it
is a honor for me to have the possibility in my imagination in my
heart to talk about my creator ALLAH .
some miserable ignorant people thinks they are intelligent ,big or
maybe strong maybe they can control their respiration their blood
movement .oh human you are
weeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak,poooooooooooooooooooooooor, you don't
know the right way youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooost.
because i like you , i love you
i will show you the way
the way is simply "islam"
be a muslim
save yourself.
Moron.
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| User: "" |
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30 Nov 2007 06:59:37 PM |
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among the creature that i have met
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| User: "" |
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04 Dec 2007 12:26:46 PM |
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On Nov 30, 6:53 pm, wrote:
human is really a very funny creature , two eyes ,two legs , two
ears , one brain , one heart a very long tongue some legs
and some fingers to type on the keyboard , a microscopic creature , it
is a honor for me to have the possibility in my imagination in my
heart to talk about my creator ALLAH .
some miserable ignorant people thinks they are intelligent ,big or
maybe strong maybe they can control their respiration their blood
movement .oh human you are
weeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak,poooooooooooooooooooooooor, you don't
know the right way youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooost.
because i like you , i love you
i will show you the way
the way is simply "islam"
be a muslim
save yourself.
Y'know, with all the recent preaching by muslims in here, it's become
clear that I need to learn a little Arabic. How does one say "go have
sex with your mother" in that language?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Nov 2007 05:48:07 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:13:48 -0800, \"We are Muslims, and we are extremely
proud of it.\" wrote:
QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
Are two mutually exclusive things...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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01 Dec 2007 07:33:54 PM |
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On Nov 30, 2:13 pm, "\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of
it.\"" <born_to_be_mus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST
As a result of this posting I have decided to accept Jesus Christ as
my personal Lord and Saviour.
Nice going, dumbass.
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| User: "" |
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30 Nov 2007 04:42:02 PM |
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On Nov 30, 5:13 pm, "\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of
it.\"" <born_to_be_mus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating
an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because
he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed,
'La ilaaha' - meaning 'there is no God'. So half my job is already
done; now the only part left is 'il lallah' i.e. 'BUT ALLAH' which I
And I thought the Christians could rationalize. Boy, you've posted
perhaps the dumbest fucking thing I've read here in the last six
months.
I didn't "reject" my parents god so much as discovered it was a
meaningless concept. If you think "converting" atheists is going to be
that eazy, you need a few remedial lessons on the reasons *why* people
abandon their parental brainwashing.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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30 Nov 2007 04:44:25 PM |
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On Nov 30, 5:13 pm, "\"We are Muslims, and we are extremely proud of
it.\"" <born_to_be_mus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of
God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the
meaning of God.
*****. I do not care if gods exist or not. If you wish to share
your belief with me, it is *your* responsibility to explain to me what
on earth you're raving about.
-PF
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST |
01 Dec 2007 12:32:28 AM |
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Your problem is that you do not eat pork. A slice of bacon is heaven
on earth. Try it! Now!
BTW, bacon & pork go hand in hand with beer. Have a few!
Olrik
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