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01 Jul 2006 08:58:15 PM |
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PSA: Study shows abortion/breast cancer link |
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion and
breast cancer at its international conference in Rome in October 2004 by Dr.
Joel Brind's research group. The medical explanation and the epidemiological
evidence convinced Mater Care International that there is a significant
increase in breast cancer risk after induced abortion, especially before the
first full-term pregnancy. This evidence has been denied by the U.S.
National Cancer Institute (NCI) and other researchers. Recently, 10 studies
have been published in an attempt to discredit Brind's conclusion.
In turn, Brind has examined these 10 studies and, in a peer-reviewed paper
published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, he has shown
that they have serious methodological weaknesses and flaws and therefore do
not invalidate the conclusion that there is an increased risk of breast
cancer.
Women have a basic right to know of this increased risk of breast cancer,
and it is unacceptable that the information should be denied to them by the
medical and cancer research establishments.
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons issued a statement in
2003 calling on doctors to inform patients about a "highly plausible"
relationship between abortion and breast cancer. Some women have already
successfully sued their abortion providers for neglecting to disclose the
risks of breast cancer and the resulting emotional harm.
Joanne Gasiel, Payson
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Jul 2006 11:10:27 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists,
A group of Catholic docotrs.
was presented with evidence of the link between abortion and
breast cancer at its international conference in Rome in October 2004 by Dr.
Joel Brind's research group.
A link which has been repeatedly discredited.
The medical explanation and the epidemiological
evidence
.... is crap.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Curt" |
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01 Jul 2006 10:04:00 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
This is like ten years old. It's already been shown to be wrong.
Curt
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| User: "Kathryn" |
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03 Jul 2006 12:44:01 PM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Got anything new that hasn't been debunked?
No?
Didn't think so.
You should really find something better and more productive to do with your
time.
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| User: "cor" |
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02 Jul 2006 01:58:32 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion and
breast cancer
There is a strong correlation between having breasts and getting breast cancer.
There is a negative correlation between having a ***** and having an abortion.
In other words, show me the data and show me who payed for the study.
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| User: "Adam H" |
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02 Jul 2006 02:44:34 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:58:32 -0800, cor <cor@exchangenet.net> wrote in
message <44A76E98.E03DC418@exchangenet.net>:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion and
breast cancer
There is a strong correlation between having breasts and getting breast cancer.
There is a negative correlation between having a ***** and having an abortion.
In other words, show me the data and show me who payed for the study.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You want FACTS from Young?
REAL facts?
Better to wait for the heat death of the universe first.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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02 Jul 2006 09:21:45 AM |
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wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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02 Jul 2006 05:30:34 PM |
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"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
However unless a link is so overwhelming that it is obvious, the real signal
always gets buried in noise from population stratification - abortive women
are not a random cross-section of all women.
When sometihing is politically controversial, there is always enormous scope
for vested interests to obfuscate. For instance tobacco companies were
allowed to pretend for years that smoking might not cause lung cancer long
after it became obvious there was a link. We still don't know the precise
mechanism by which smoke causes cells to become cancerous.
So to say "that was debunked" just because you, personally, find it
convenient to think that abortion doesn't cause breast cancer, and because
you can dredge up a study from somewhere, demonstrates ignorance of the way
the process works.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Curt" |
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04 Jul 2006 08:13:10 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you
will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
I'm not sure where you get that. I mean, any more than having any other
surgery affecting your breast cancer risk.
However unless a link is so overwhelming that it is obvious, the real
signal
always gets buried in noise from population stratification - abortive
women
are not a random cross-section of all women.
When sometihing is politically controversial, there is always enormous
scope
for vested interests to obfuscate. For instance tobacco companies were
allowed to pretend for years that smoking might not cause lung cancer long
after it became obvious there was a link. We still don't know the precise
mechanism by which smoke causes cells to become cancerous.
So to say "that was debunked" just because you, personally, find it
convenient to think that abortion doesn't cause breast cancer, and because
you can dredge up a study from somewhere, demonstrates ignorance of the
way
the process works.
Well, no. IIRC, the specific research the original post referenced has been
specifically shown to be faulty. That's what "that was debunked" means.
While it's possible that there's a correlation between breast cancer and
abortion (or breast cancer and watching the Power Puff Girls), an actual
link has not been found. And that's fair to say.
Curt
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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04 Jul 2006 02:57:59 PM |
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote in message
While it's possible that there's a correlation between breast cancer and
abortion (or breast cancer and watching the Power Puff Girls), an actual
link has not been found. And that's fair to say.
Not been demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt. A slightly different
situation, and an important distinction.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Curt" |
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05 Jul 2006 07:47:19 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote in message
While it's possible that there's a correlation between breast cancer and
abortion (or breast cancer and watching the Power Puff Girls), an actual
link has not been found. And that's fair to say.
Not been demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt. A slightly different
situation, and an important distinction.
Not been demonstrated at all. At least, in a scientific sense.
Curt
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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05 Jul 2006 11:34:38 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote in message
While it's possible that there's a correlation between breast cancer and
abortion (or breast cancer and watching the Power Puff Girls), an actual
link has not been found. And that's fair to say.
Not been demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt. A slightly different
situation, and an important distinction.
"Reasonable doubt" isn't necessary in science.
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| User: "Adam H" |
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04 Jul 2006 03:20:40 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:57:59 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
<XLidnSgQWMbXVTfZnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d@bt.com>:
"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote in message
While it's possible that there's a correlation between breast cancer and
abortion (or breast cancer and watching the Power Puff Girls), an actual
link has not been found. And that's fair to say.
Not been demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt. A slightly different
situation, and an important distinction.
No, an actual link has not been found. Studies that claim to show this
link have been found to be poorly conducted and inaccurate.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: PSA: Study shows abortion/breast cancer link |
03 Jul 2006 10:24:29 PM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
The consensus is that abortion does not have an effect on abortion.
All the pro-aganda pushed by pro-liars is intentioal deception because
they will do anything, murder, lie, cheat and steal, to obtain control
over women.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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03 Jul 2006 11:57:46 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you
will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
The consensus is that abortion does not have an effect on abortion.
All the pro-aganda pushed by pro-liars is intentioal deception because
they will do anything, murder, lie, cheat and steal, to obtain control
over women.
Which in epidemological terms means that an effect hasn't been unambiguously
demonstrated.
It is impossible that induced abortions have no effect on breast cancer
rates, one way or another. It is possible that the effect is not very large
and only arises because of the interplay of abortion with other factors.
Don't trust everything you read. The tobacco companies messed around for
years after it became perfectly obvious to everyone who knew that smoking
was causing lung cancer.
Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Curt" |
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06 Jul 2006 01:17:14 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
Dunno. It's not abortion and it's not contraception, though. Real scientists
have already shown that.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
Naaaaaah .. Went to college. Don't need to.
Curt
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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07 Jul 2006 03:19:10 AM |
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote
Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
Dunno. It's not abortion and it's not contraception, though. Real
scientists
have already shown that.
When a scientist says that "no link is shown". He means that the experiment
failed to reject the null hypthesis, that there is no difference between
abortive women and the general population.
When you fail to reject the null that does not mean that you prove that the
null hypothesis is correct. That is something that a lot of undergraduates
fail to grasp.
--
Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
$1.25 download or $7.20 paper, available www.lulu.com/bgy1mm
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| User: "Curt" |
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08 Jul 2006 10:28:28 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote
Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
Dunno. It's not abortion and it's not contraception, though. Real
scientists
have already shown that.
When a scientist says that "no link is shown". He means that the
experiment
failed to reject the null hypthesis, that there is no difference between
abortive women and the general population.
When you fail to reject the null that does not mean that you prove that
the
null hypothesis is correct. That is something that a lot of undergraduates
fail to grasp.
Actually, sure, I grasp it just fine. it just doesn't matter.
The anti abortion crowd claims they have evidence that abortion causes
breast cancer.
They don't.
Curt
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Jul 2006 03:09:36 PM |
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Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you
will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
The consensus is that abortion does not have an effect on breast cancer.
All the pro-aganda pushed by pro-liars is intentioal deception because
they will do anything, murder, lie, cheat and steal, to obtain control
over women.
Which in epidemological terms means that an effect hasn't been unambiguously
demonstrated.
There have been many, many studies. No link has been found.
It is impossible that induced abortions have no effect on breast cancer
rates, one way or another.
No, it is not impossible.
It is possible that the effect is not very large
It is possible that you are a serial rapist-murder who has managed to
elude discovery.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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05 Jul 2006 11:36:15 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you
will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
The consensus is that abortion does not have an effect on abortion.
All the pro-aganda pushed by pro-liars is intentioal deception because
they will do anything, murder, lie, cheat and steal, to obtain control
over women.
Which in epidemological terms means that an effect hasn't been unambiguously
demonstrated.
It is impossible that induced abortions have no effect on breast cancer
rates, one way or another. It is possible that the effect is not very large
and only arises because of the interplay of abortion with other factors.
Don't trust everything you read. The tobacco companies messed around for
years after it became perfectly obvious to everyone who knew that smoking
was causing lung cancer.
Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
Is this a serious question? If so, it's a really stupid one. There are a
number of things that cause cancer. Don't you think that if we knew that
answer we would have more effective treatments for cancer, as well as
more effective preventative care?
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| User: "Adam H" |
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04 Jul 2006 03:19:44 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:57:46 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
<74Wdnah8gaIDWTfZRVny1g@bt.com>:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Malcolm <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you
will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
The consensus is that abortion does not have an effect on abortion.
All the pro-aganda pushed by pro-liars is intentioal deception because
they will do anything, murder, lie, cheat and steal, to obtain control
over women.
Which in epidemological terms means that an effect hasn't been unambiguously
demonstrated.
It is impossible that induced abortions have no effect on breast cancer
rates, one way or another. It is possible that the effect is not very large
and only arises because of the interplay of abortion with other factors.
Don't trust everything you read. The tobacco companies messed around for
years after it became perfectly obvious to everyone who knew that smoking
was causing lung cancer.
Something is pushing up breast cancer rates in the West. If it's not
abortion and it is not contraception, then what is it?
Isn't that your question to answer? Look at Japan - their abortion
rate is much higher than North America and the BC rate is much lower.
Look at diet first. To say that abortion is to be considered a
proximate cause on the basis of the evidence is to mis-state that
evidence severely. The statistics just don't bear it out.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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05 Jul 2006 11:33:38 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
Wrong. There is no correlation between breast cancer and abortion. To
think that breast cancer and abortion are related is totally ridiculous.
The claim has been refuted time and again.
You have no idea how science works. Evidently you don't know statistics
work either.
However unless a link is so overwhelming that it is obvious, the real signal
always gets buried in noise from population stratification - abortive women
are not a random cross-section of all women.
No one said they were, hence the claim that "women WHO HAVE ABORTIONS
are at higher risk for breast cancer than those who don't have them."
It's just another scare tactic used by the anti-choice crowd.
When sometihing is politically controversial, there is always enormous scope
for vested interests to obfuscate. For instance tobacco companies were
allowed to pretend for years that smoking might not cause lung cancer long
after it became obvious there was a link.
They didn't pretend. They lied. And this is exactly what anti-choice
crowd is doing: they're lying. They're using scare tactics.
We still don't know the precise mechanism by which
smoke causes cells to become cancerous.
It's not the smoke. It's the tobacco and nicotine.
And again you display your ignorance of science. It cannot be *proven*
that smoking *causes* cancer. All we can say is that there's a very high
correlation between smoking and getting cancer. Does it cause cancer?
Probably. But technically we can't say it does. Correlation does not
equal causation.
So to say "that was debunked" just because you, personally, find it
convenient to think that abortion doesn't cause breast cancer, and because
you can dredge up a study from somewhere, demonstrates ignorance of the way
the process works.
My personal beliefs have nothing to do with it. The evidence says it
all, and that's what I base my conclusions on. If you weren't so damn
blinded by your religious beliefs, you might be able to see it too.
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| User: "Adam H" |
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03 Jul 2006 05:55:40 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:30:34 +0100, "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
<09OdnQXk9-QeBTTZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>:
"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Mater Care International, an international group of obstetricians and
gynecologists, was presented with evidence of the link between abortion
and
breast cancer
Sorry, that was debunked long ago.
Science doesn't work like that.
If you know anything about cancer epidemiology, or indeed anatomy, you will
know that it is totally impossible that abortion won't have some sort of
effect on breast cancer, one way or another.
However unless a link is so overwhelming that it is obvious, the real signal
always gets buried in noise from population stratification - abortive women
are not a random cross-section of all women.
When sometihing is politically controversial, there is always enormous scope
for vested interests to obfuscate. For instance tobacco companies were
allowed to pretend for years that smoking might not cause lung cancer long
after it became obvious there was a link. We still don't know the precise
mechanism by which smoke causes cells to become cancerous.
So to say "that was debunked" just because you, personally, find it
convenient to think that abortion doesn't cause breast cancer, and because
you can dredge up a study from somewhere, demonstrates ignorance of the way
the process works.
No, actually. Brind's study *was debunked. His methods are sloppy and
his analyses are poorly done. The flaws in his research make his
conclusions unsupportable.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Adam H" |
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01 Jul 2006 09:00:23 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:58:15 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message <_8WdnTslUv3QtTrZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: PSA: Study shows abortion/breast cancer link |
01 Jul 2006 09:07:14 PM |
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"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:58:15 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message <_8WdnTslUv3QtTrZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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01 Jul 2006 11:50:22 PM |
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wrote:
"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:58:15 -0400, < > wrote in
message <_8WdnTslUv3QtTrZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel.
Not at all - rather the National Cancer Institute of the US National
Institutes of Health.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage
Which, unlike Matercare, is not a catholic organization whose mission
statement includes adherence to "the teaching contained in the
Encyclical, Evangelium Vitae."
Give me a break.
Nah. As W.C. Fields once opined, "never give a sucker an even break".
And yer kind of the penultimate sucker.
Peace and justice,
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"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote...
< > wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Read the article. It's the same crappy meta-analysis that was laughed
out of court 10 years ago.
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
That's right - you don't actually *read* talk.abortion, do you? If you
did, you would remember that you posted some wankage about the
non-existent link between abortion and breast cancer in December 2005,
and that I refuted it. But then, not only are you dishonest and
hypocritical, you are too stupid and incurious to *learn* anything
about the topics you post on, you have the attention span of a mayfly.
Here is what I wrote:
//begin repost
*Brind*, again? Brind is lying. From a 1996 review of the literature:
"To evaluate the relationship between breast cancer risk and
spontaneous and induced abortion, we conducted a detailed
descriptive review of 32 epidemiologic studies that provided
data by type of abortion and by various measures of exposure
to abortion--number of abortions, timing of abortion in relation
to first full-term pregnancy, length of gestation, and age at
first abortion. BREAST CANCER RISK DID NOT APPEAR
TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH AN INCREASING NUMBER
OF SPONTANEOUS OR INDUCED ABORTIONS."
[capitalization mine]
Source: (Cancer Causes Control 1997 Jan;8(1):93-108
Since that review, several other studies, including the famous Melbye
study, have corroborated this finding.
Brind is a laughingstock, not an "expert". He isn't even a medical
doctor. He's a Ph.D., and his field of expertise is sex hormones, not
epidemiology. And just to further help you connect the dots, Brind is
*not* unbiased. He is the former president of a right-to-lie
organization.
Brind's speculations are not supported by medical research. In fact,
he has done no original research on abortion and breast cancer himself.
Instead, he has done meta-analyses of previous studies. Meta-analysis
of clinical research is questionable, since it is subject to bad study
design and researcher bias in deciding which studies to look at and how
to weight the data in each study. Combining the results of several bad
studies doesn't magically improve the results. In short, garbage in =>
garbage out.
Brind wouldn't dare to attempt to publish his unfounded assertions in a
professional, peer-reviewed medical journal like the New England
Journal of Medicine. The editors would boil him alive, assuming they'd
bother to publish such crack-pottery.
From - http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1728.74203
"'Based on the scientific evidence,' [Dr. Carmen Rodriguez, senior
epidemiologist with the American Cancer Society] tells WebMD,
'We really think there is no association between breast cancer
and abortion.' Rodriguez and others feel that political action
groups
are likely pushing the issue into the public arena, despite the
research findings. 'Some groups are always interested in getting
the topic in the news, but we feel there is no evidence.'"
So now we see that the looney here is once again JYoung/IBen/whatever.
Around and around you go, never stopping to rent some clues so you can
be spared the ignomity of displaying your stupidity on a world-wide
discussion forum. Don't you feel even the slightest bit stupid, being
shot down in flames every time you try another line of hypocrisy?
Don't you ever wonder about how you could avoid having your own words
jammed sideways down your becankered pie hole?
//end repost
Hoho! I'm sure you remember the last part, eh?
Obdurate fuckstain.
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wrote:
Adam H wrote:
wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
Better than that, I'll give you a list of abstracts of studies on the
link between induced abortion and breast cancer, in chronological
order, since Jan 2000 (the Brind study was published in 1996). I used
PubMed, and the search string "Abortion, Induced/adverse effects"[MAJR]
AND "Breast Neoplasms/etiology"[MAJR]
My apologies for the lengthy post, but I have left the abstracts
untrimmed so you can see how the conclusions are reached. Read and
discuss.
1.
Lazovich D, Thompson JA, Mink PJ, Sellers TA, Anderson KE. Induced
abortion and breast cancer risk. 1: Epidemiology. 2000 Jan;11(1):76-80
Results from case-control studies suggest that induced abortion may be
associated with a small increase in risk of breast cancer. While risk
estimates from cohort studies have generally not observed such an
association, these studies have had limited information regarding
abortion and possible confounding variables. Therefore, we conducted a
study among a cohort of post-menopausal women from whom detailed
information regarding pregnancy outcomes as well as risk factors for
breast cancer had been collected. The study sample included 37,247 Iowa
Women's Health Study participants, 55-64 years of age at baseline in
1986, who reported no history of breast, or other, cancer (except
non-melanoma skin cancer), and for whom information regarding pregnancy
outcomes (that is, live birth, stillbirth, spontaneous abortion,
ectopic pregnancy or induced abortion) was available. We used linkage
with records of the State Health Registry of Iowa, part of the National
Cancer Institute's Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER)
program, to estimate the incidence of breast cancer among cohort
members through 1995. We calculated age-adjusted relative risks and 95%
confidence intervals using Cox proportional hazards regression. Only
653 women (1.8%) reported an induced abortion. The age-adjusted
relative risk of breast cancer among women with prior induced abortion
compared with those without was 1.1 (95% CI = 0.8-1.6). Relative risks
were higher among women whose age at first abortion was less than 20 or
at least 30 years, for those whose abortion took place after their
first birth or who never gave birth, and for those with early
termination (0-2 months). These estimates varied from 1.3-1.7, but the
confidence intervals around each were wide. Since most women in this
cohort were beyond their reproductive years when abortion became legal
in 1973, the low prevalence of induced abortion argues for a cautious
interpretation.
PMID: 9741273 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
2.
Tang MT, Weiss NS, Malone KE. Induced abortion in relation to breast
cancer among parous women: a birth certificate registry study.
Epidemiology. 2000 Mar;11(2):177-80
We wished to assess the relation of induced abortion to the subsequent
incidence of breast cancer among parous women, using a design that
would prevent the possibility of differentially complete reporting of
abortion history by women with breast cancer and controls. Our study
was conducted within a cohort of women who gave birth to a child during
1984-1994 while residing in 13 counties of western Washington. Cases
were women from the cohort diagnosed with breast cancer between 1984
and 1994. From the remaining cohort members, five controls were matched
to each woman with breast cancer by year of index birth (ie, the last
child born before breast cancer diagnosis) and by age at delivery. We
categorized 463 cases and 2,201 controls according to history of
induced abortion as recorded on the index birth certificate. The risk
of breast cancer was not found to be associated with a prior induced
abortion (estimated relative risk (RR) = 0.9, 95% confidence interval
(CI) 0.7-1.2). These results suggest that an induced abortion, if
followed at some later time by pregnancy and childbirth, does not
increase a woman's risk of breast cancer.
PMID: 11021616 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
3.
Sanderson M, Shu XO, Jin F, Dai Q, Wen W, Hua Y, Gao YT, Zheng W.
Abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the Shanghai
Breast Cancer Study. Int J Cancer. 2001 Jun 15;92(6):899-905
Studies of the association between induced abortion and breast cancer
risk have been inconsistent, perhaps due to underreporting of
abortions. Induced abortion is a well-accepted family planning
procedure in China, and women who have several induced abortions do not
feel stigmatized. The authors used data from a population-based
case-control study of breast cancer among women age 25-64 conducted
between 1996 and 1998 in urban Shanghai to assess whether a history of
and the number of induced abortions were related to breast cancer risk.
In-person interviews were completed with 1,459 incident breast cancer
cases ascertained through a population-based cancer registry, and 1,556
controls randomly selected from the general population in Shanghai
(with respective response rates of 91% and 90%). After adjusting for
confounding, there was no relation between ever having had an induced
abortion and breast cancer (odds ratio [OR] = 0.9, 95% confidence
interval [CI] 0.7-1.2). Women who had 3 or more induced abortions were
not at increased risk of premenopausal breast cancer (OR = 0.9, 95% CI
0.6-1.4) or postmenopausal breast cancer (OR = 1.3, 95% CI 0.8-2.3).
These results suggest that a history of several induced abortions has
little influence on breast cancer risk in Chinese women. Copyright 2001
Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 11351314 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
4.
Committee on Gynecologic Practice, American College of Obstetricians
and Gynecologists. ACOG committee opinion. Induced abortion and breast
cancer risk. Int J Gynaecol Obstet 2003 Nov;83(2):233-5
The purpose of this Committee Opinion is to provide a review of recent
studies regarding the potential relationship between induced abortion
and subsequent breast cancer and to discuss methodologic challenges in
this field of study. The American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists' Committee on Gynecologic Practice concludes that early
studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast
cancer risk have been inconsistent and are difficult to interpret
because of methodologic considerations. More rigorous recent studies
argue against a causal relationship between induced abortion and a
subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.
PMID: 14631935 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
5.
Erlandsson G, Montgomery SM, Cnattingius S, Ekbom A. Abortions and
breast cancer: record-based case-control study. Int J Cancer. 2003 Feb
20;103(5):676-9
It has been suggested that abortions leave the breast epithelium in a
proliferative state with an increased susceptibility to carcinogenesis.
Results from previous studies of induced or spontaneous abortions and
risk of subsequent breast cancer are contradictory, probably due to
methodological considerations. We investigated the relationship between
abortions and subsequent breast cancer risk in a case-control study
using prospectively recorded exposure information. The study population
comprised women recorded in the population-based Swedish Medical Birth
Register between 1973-91. Cases were defined by linkage of the birth
register to the Swedish Cancer Register and controls were randomly
selected from the birth register. From the subjects' antenatal care
records we abstracted prospectively collected information on induced
and spontaneous abortions, as well as a number of potential confounding
factors. Relative risk of breast cancer was estimated by odds ratios
(OR) with 95% confidence intervals (95% CI). A reduced risk of breast
cancer was observed for women with a history of at least 1 compared to
no abortions (adjusted OR = 0.84, 95% CI = 0.72-0.99). The adjusted OR
decreases step-wise with number of abortions to 0.59 (95% CI =
0.34-1.03) for 3 or more compared to no abortions. The patterns are
similar for induced and spontaneous abortions. In conclusion, neither a
history of induced nor spontaneous abortions is associated with an
increased risk of breast cancer. Our data suggest a protective effect
of pregnancies regardless of outcome. Copyright 2002 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 12494478 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
6.
Palmer JR, Wise LA, Adams-Campbell LL, Rosenberg L. A prospective study
of induced abortion and breast cancer in African-American women. Cancer
Causes Control. 2004 Mar;15(2):105-11
OBJECTIVE: There continues to be controversy about whether induced
abortion influences the risk of breast cancer. Because case-control
studies of this relation are subject to recall bias, there is a need
for prospective data. Further, there has been little study of abortion
and breast cancer in African-American women. We assessed the relation
of abortion to risk of breast cancer in a prospective follow-up study
of African-American women. METHODS: Black Women's Health Study
participants have been followed by mailed questionnaires every two
years since enrollment in 1995. Participants reported 348 incident
breast cancers during 205,983 person-years of follow-up. Women who had
an induced abortion were compared with women who had never had one,
with nulliparous and parous women analyzed separately. Incidence rate
ratios (IRR) with two-sided 95% confidence intervals (CI) were derived
from Cox regression models that controlled for age, age at first birth,
number of births, history of spontaneous abortion, and other factors.
RESULTS: Among nulliparous women, the IRR for any induced abortion
relative to none was 0.9 (95% CI = 0.5-1.4), and among parous women,
the comparable IRR was 1.1 (95% CI = 0.8-1.4). Risk did not vary by
number of abortions, age at first abortion, age at diagnosis or a
family history of breast cancer in either nulliparous or parous women.
CONCLUSIONS: Our findings indicate that induced abortion does not
increase breast cancer risk in African-American women.
PMID: 15017122 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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On 1 Jul 2006 21:01:06 -0700, "Peter Barber" <peterbarber73@gmail.com>
wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Adam H wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
Better than that, I'll give you a list of abstracts of studies on the
link between induced abortion and breast cancer, in chronological
order, since Jan 2000 (the Brind study was published in 1996). I used
PubMed, and the search string "Abortion, Induced/adverse effects"[MAJR]
AND "Breast Neoplasms/etiology"[MAJR]
My apologies for the lengthy post, but I have left the abstracts
untrimmed so you can see how the conclusions are reached. Read and
discuss.
So why are pro-rapist Christians like J Young such dishonest gits?
1.
Lazovich D, Thompson JA, Mink PJ, Sellers TA, Anderson KE. Induced
abortion and breast cancer risk. 1: Epidemiology. 2000 Jan;11(1):76-80
Results from case-control studies suggest that induced abortion may be
associated with a small increase in risk of breast cancer. While risk
estimates from cohort studies have generally not observed such an
association, these studies have had limited information regarding
abortion and possible confounding variables. Therefore, we conducted a
study among a cohort of post-menopausal women from whom detailed
information regarding pregnancy outcomes as well as risk factors for
breast cancer had been collected. The study sample included 37,247 Iowa
Women's Health Study participants, 55-64 years of age at baseline in
1986, who reported no history of breast, or other, cancer (except
non-melanoma skin cancer), and for whom information regarding pregnancy
outcomes (that is, live birth, stillbirth, spontaneous abortion,
ectopic pregnancy or induced abortion) was available. We used linkage
with records of the State Health Registry of Iowa, part of the National
Cancer Institute's Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER)
program, to estimate the incidence of breast cancer among cohort
members through 1995. We calculated age-adjusted relative risks and 95%
confidence intervals using Cox proportional hazards regression. Only
653 women (1.8%) reported an induced abortion. The age-adjusted
relative risk of breast cancer among women with prior induced abortion
compared with those without was 1.1 (95% CI = 0.8-1.6). Relative risks
were higher among women whose age at first abortion was less than 20 or
at least 30 years, for those whose abortion took place after their
first birth or who never gave birth, and for those with early
termination (0-2 months). These estimates varied from 1.3-1.7, but the
confidence intervals around each were wide. Since most women in this
cohort were beyond their reproductive years when abortion became legal
in 1973, the low prevalence of induced abortion argues for a cautious
interpretation.
PMID: 9741273 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
2.
Tang MT, Weiss NS, Malone KE. Induced abortion in relation to breast
cancer among parous women: a birth certificate registry study.
Epidemiology. 2000 Mar;11(2):177-80
We wished to assess the relation of induced abortion to the subsequent
incidence of breast cancer among parous women, using a design that
would prevent the possibility of differentially complete reporting of
abortion history by women with breast cancer and controls. Our study
was conducted within a cohort of women who gave birth to a child during
1984-1994 while residing in 13 counties of western Washington. Cases
were women from the cohort diagnosed with breast cancer between 1984
and 1994. From the remaining cohort members, five controls were matched
to each woman with breast cancer by year of index birth (ie, the last
child born before breast cancer diagnosis) and by age at delivery. We
categorized 463 cases and 2,201 controls according to history of
induced abortion as recorded on the index birth certificate. The risk
of breast cancer was not found to be associated with a prior induced
abortion (estimated relative risk (RR) = 0.9, 95% confidence interval
(CI) 0.7-1.2). These results suggest that an induced abortion, if
followed at some later time by pregnancy and childbirth, does not
increase a woman's risk of breast cancer.
PMID: 11021616 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
3.
Sanderson M, Shu XO, Jin F, Dai Q, Wen W, Hua Y, Gao YT, Zheng W.
Abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the Shanghai
Breast Cancer Study. Int J Cancer. 2001 Jun 15;92(6):899-905
Studies of the association between induced abortion and breast cancer
risk have been inconsistent, perhaps due to underreporting of
abortions. Induced abortion is a well-accepted family planning
procedure in China, and women who have several induced abortions do not
feel stigmatized. The authors used data from a population-based
case-control study of breast cancer among women age 25-64 conducted
between 1996 and 1998 in urban Shanghai to assess whether a history of
and the number of induced abortions were related to breast cancer risk.
In-person interviews were completed with 1,459 incident breast cancer
cases ascertained through a population-based cancer registry, and 1,556
controls randomly selected from the general population in Shanghai
(with respective response rates of 91% and 90%). After adjusting for
confounding, there was no relation between ever having had an induced
abortion and breast cancer (odds ratio [OR] = 0.9, 95% confidence
interval [CI] 0.7-1.2). Women who had 3 or more induced abortions were
not at increased risk of premenopausal breast cancer (OR = 0.9, 95% CI
0.6-1.4) or postmenopausal breast cancer (OR = 1.3, 95% CI 0.8-2.3).
These results suggest that a history of several induced abortions has
little influence on breast cancer risk in Chinese women. Copyright 2001
Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 11351314 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
4.
Committee on Gynecologic Practice, American College of Obstetricians
and Gynecologists. ACOG committee opinion. Induced abortion and breast
cancer risk. Int J Gynaecol Obstet 2003 Nov;83(2):233-5
The purpose of this Committee Opinion is to provide a review of recent
studies regarding the potential relationship between induced abortion
and subsequent breast cancer and to discuss methodologic challenges in
this field of study. The American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists' Committee on Gynecologic Practice concludes that early
studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast
cancer risk have been inconsistent and are difficult to interpret
because of methodologic considerations. More rigorous recent studies
argue against a causal relationship between induced abortion and a
subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.
PMID: 14631935 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
5.
Erlandsson G, Montgomery SM, Cnattingius S, Ekbom A. Abortions and
breast cancer: record-based case-control study. Int J Cancer. 2003 Feb
20;103(5):676-9
It has been suggested that abortions leave the breast epithelium in a
proliferative state with an increased susceptibility to carcinogenesis.
Results from previous studies of induced or spontaneous abortions and
risk of subsequent breast cancer are contradictory, probably due to
methodological considerations. We investigated the relationship between
abortions and subsequent breast cancer risk in a case-control study
using prospectively recorded exposure information. The study population
comprised women recorded in the population-based Swedish Medical Birth
Register between 1973-91. Cases were defined by linkage of the birth
register to the Swedish Cancer Register and controls were randomly
selected from the birth register. From the subjects' antenatal care
records we abstracted prospectively collected information on induced
and spontaneous abortions, as well as a number of potential confounding
factors. Relative risk of breast cancer was estimated by odds ratios
(OR) with 95% confidence intervals (95% CI). A reduced risk of breast
cancer was observed for women with a history of at least 1 compared to
no abortions (adjusted OR = 0.84, 95% CI = 0.72-0.99). The adjusted OR
decreases step-wise with number of abortions to 0.59 (95% CI =
0.34-1.03) for 3 or more compared to no abortions. The patterns are
similar for induced and spontaneous abortions. In conclusion, neither a
history of induced nor spontaneous abortions is associated with an
increased risk of breast cancer. Our data suggest a protective effect
of pregnancies regardless of outcome. Copyright 2002 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
PMID: 12494478 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
6.
Palmer JR, Wise LA, Adams-Campbell LL, Rosenberg L. A prospective study
of induced abortion and breast cancer in African-American women. Cancer
Causes Control. 2004 Mar;15(2):105-11
OBJECTIVE: There continues to be controversy about whether induced
abortion influences the risk of breast cancer. Because case-control
studies of this relation are subject to recall bias, there is a need
for prospective data. Further, there has been little study of abortion
and breast cancer in African-American women. We assessed the relation
of abortion to risk of breast cancer in a prospective follow-up study
of African-American women. METHODS: Black Women's Health Study
participants have been followed by mailed questionnaires every two
years since enrollment in 1995. Participants reported 348 incident
breast cancers during 205,983 person-years of follow-up. Women who had
an induced abortion were compared with women who had never had one,
with nulliparous and parous women analyzed separately. Incidence rate
ratios (IRR) with two-sided 95% confidence intervals (CI) were derived
from Cox regression models that controlled for age, age at first birth,
number of births, history of spontaneous abortion, and other factors.
RESULTS: Among nulliparous women, the IRR for any induced abortion
relative to none was 0.9 (95% CI = 0.5-1.4), and among parous women,
the comparable IRR was 1.1 (95% CI = 0.8-1.4). Risk did not vary by
number of abortions, age at first abortion, age at diagnosis or a
family history of breast cancer in either nulliparous or parous women.
CONCLUSIONS: Our findings indicate that induced abortion does not
increase breast cancer risk in African-American women.
PMID: 15017122 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge,who pussied
out of the Vietnam draft, showing his gay side
despite his avowed anti-gay bigotry
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke is such a racist:
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| User: "Peter Barber" |
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| Title: Re: PSA: *1996* study shows abortion/breast cancer link |
06 Jul 2006 01:19:53 AM |
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Peter Barber wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Adam H wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else=
? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
Better than that, I'll give you a list of abstracts of studies on the
link between induced abortion and breast cancer, in chronological
order, since Jan 2000 (the Brind study was published in 1996). I used
PubMed, and the search string "Abortion, Induced/adverse effects"[MAJR]
AND "Breast Neoplasms/etiology"[MAJR]
My apologies for the lengthy post, but I have left the abstracts
untrimmed so you can see how the conclusions are reached. Read and
discuss.
<snip the several studies (not meta-analyses) which looked for, and
failed to find, a link between abortion and breast cancer>
Well, J "Umlaut" Y=F6ung? Comments? For example, are ACOG's conclusions
wrong?
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| Title: Re: PSA: Study shows abortion/breast cancer link |
01 Jul 2006 10:10:31 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:07:14 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in news
message <v-qdneuM8vj0tzrZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
"Adam H" <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:f4aea2dq3up7dog2hotm18hk29t2p8ehk3@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:58:15 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
message <_8WdnTslUv3QtTrZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/mailcall/story/24140
Every 'study' done by Brind has been systematically debunked. Why is
this one different?
Systematically debunked by who? An 'independent study' done by who else? A
Planned Parenthood selected panel. Give me a break.
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Can_Having_an_Abortion_Cause_or_Contribute_to_Breast_Cancer.asp
In February 2003, the US National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a
workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study
pregnancy and breast cancer risk. The experts reviewed existing human
and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast
cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions.
Among their conclusions were:
Breast cancer risk is transiently (temporarily) increased after a term
pregnancy (resulting in the birth of a living child).
Induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer
risk.
Recognized spontaneous abortion is not associated with an increase in
breast cancer risk.
The level of scientific evidence for these conclusions was considered
to be "well established" (the highest level).
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG)
Committee on Gynecologic Practice reviewed the available evidence as
well and published its findings in August 2003. The committee
concluded that "early studies of the relationship between prior
induced abortion and breast cancer risk have been inconsistent and are
difficult to interpret because of methodologic considerations. More
rigorous recent studies argue against a causal relationship between
induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk."
The Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer, based
out of Oxford University in England, recently put together the results
from 53 separate studies conducted in 16 different countries. These
studies included about 83,000 women with breast cancer. After
combining and reviewing the results from these studies, the
researchers concluded that "the totality of worldwide epidemiological
evidence indicates that pregnancies ending as either spontaneous or
induced abortions do not have adverse effects on women's subsequent
risk of developing breast cancer."
Liz #658 BAAWA
You can define anything you want, any way you want. Defining it as such
is not the same as offering real world evidence to support your
assertion. -- Woden
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