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Date: 04 Oct 2007 04:47:38 PM
Object: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007.
God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.
The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.
--------------
Also read:
Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.
.

User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 04 Oct 2007 05:15:33 PM
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1191534458.301200.220790@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/206dff7720917344
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/297f75da0631cf2f
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/d4cb7829220df8c0
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/ef5d0de298e9e5ea
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/4719cabaf23be6e6
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/d9b92222d332c16f
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/67f56599f196ccfd

Also read:

Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.

Couldn't be bothered.
Regards,
Josef
Truth, like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by
washing away from it all that is not gold.
-- Leo Tolstoy
.
User: "les_on_usenet"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 04:50:57 AM
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:15:33 +0200 (CEST), Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:

Couldn't be bothered.

Nor could I. Did he copy anything interesting or was
it just the babble again?
What a sad life he leads if that's the only book he
ever reads.
There is a wealth of knowledge and wisdom out
these just waiting for him yet he chooses ignorance
and superstition. No wonder he has utterly failed to
sell his useless book of fairy stories.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 10:18:58 AM
les_on_usenet <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:702cg398ljv73vdt2gk3j2ambrt5gtu0g8@4ax.com:

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:15:33 +0200 (CEST), Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:


Couldn't be bothered.

Nor could I. Did he copy anything interesting or was
it just the babble again?

The Babble.

What a sad life he leads if that's the only book he
ever reads.

I suspect that he has never actually read more than a few select passages
that others have chosen for him.
Regards,
Josef
Beware of the man of one book.
-- Thomas Aquinas
.



User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 04 Oct 2007 10:21:39 PM
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1191534458.301200.220790@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007

The Bible vs The Padre 10-4-2007

The law of the Lord is perfect,

Have you looked into the Euthyphro Dilemma, padre?

The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping
me, and from the words of my roaring?
O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night
season, and am not silent.
-- Psalm 22:1,2

The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.

Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake
you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my
presence:
And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame,
which shall not be forgotten.
-- Jeremiah 23:39,40
Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time?
Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord, and we shall be turned; renew our days as
of old.
But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us.
-- Lamentations 5:20-22

The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own
understanding.
-- Proverbs 3:5
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and
hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye
shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall
not perceive:
-- Matthew 13:13,14

The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;

And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his
sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp,
and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man
his neighbour.
-- Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine
own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto
thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
-- 2 Samuel 12:11

More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.

< chuckle! >
Whatever floats your boat, Dave.
Regards,
Josef
.... if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.
-- Mikhail Bakunin
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 10:15:11 AM
On 4 okt, 23:47, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote:

God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.

The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.

--------------

Also read:

Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.

The fear of the lord?
Tell me, what does the lord fear?:)
.

User: "V"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 07:45:08 AM
On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:

God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.

The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.

--------------

Also read:

Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.

Thanks for your post.
I'm afraid you have your wires crossed my friend.
If the evidence was as you say, we would not be having this
discussion.
You see, there is nil evidence for truth and overwhelming evidence
that the bible is just man made fiction.
May I suggest if you wish to send quotes from the bible you send
generic ones that all may apply to use as practical wisdom in their
life?
For instance, one I find useful when I start making too many demands
on happiness:
"For I have learned in whatever situation I find myself to be content.
I am experiences in living low and I know what it is to have
abundance. I have learned how to cope with every circumstance - how to
eat well or go hungry, to be well provided for or to do without."
Phillipians 4:11
While this is not perfect advice for all occasions, it does remind us
that we can never be at peace if we cannot find contentment in the
present moment. And true peace is not dependent on outer circumstances
matching our inner desires.
Ken Humphreys of http://jesusneverexisted.com/ talks about people
getting high on religion and this is exactly what many theists do -
they get drugged up with religious fantasy and live a delusional life.
And in the process they try to bring others out of reality and into
the same delusion.
But this is an age old problem with religion. Study up the reformation
and Martin Luther. Her had the same issues to deal with. Nowadays the
Muslims say one thing, the Jehovah Witnesses say another, the
Catholics say this, the Jews say that and the LDS are always in
trouble cause of teen sex.
All these religions claim to mouth the word of God, yet they all
conflict?
Now I am not against people's right to believe or their right to not
believe - I am agnostic on the subject of God.
But I am against religious fanatics trying to control others through
their fantasies.
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur=B7'an or the Book of
Mormons...they must all be true because they say they are true.
Also See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D318.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=3D4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
.
User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 09:54:00 AM
Just more religious nonsense!
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191588308.716972.278350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:

God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.

The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.

--------------

Also read:

Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.

Thanks for your post.
I'm afraid you have your wires crossed my friend.
If the evidence was as you say, we would not be having this
discussion.
You see, there is nil evidence for truth and overwhelming evidence
that the bible is just man made fiction.
May I suggest if you wish to send quotes from the bible you send
generic ones that all may apply to use as practical wisdom in their
life?
For instance, one I find useful when I start making too many demands
on happiness:
"For I have learned in whatever situation I find myself to be content.
I am experiences in living low and I know what it is to have
abundance. I have learned how to cope with every circumstance - how to
eat well or go hungry, to be well provided for or to do without."
Phillipians 4:11
While this is not perfect advice for all occasions, it does remind us
that we can never be at peace if we cannot find contentment in the
present moment. And true peace is not dependent on outer circumstances
matching our inner desires.
Ken Humphreys of http://jesusneverexisted.com/ talks about people
getting high on religion and this is exactly what many theists do -
they get drugged up with religious fantasy and live a delusional life.
And in the process they try to bring others out of reality and into
the same delusion.
But this is an age old problem with religion. Study up the reformation
and Martin Luther. Her had the same issues to deal with. Nowadays the
Muslims say one thing, the Jehovah Witnesses say another, the
Catholics say this, the Jews say that and the LDS are always in
trouble cause of teen sex.
All these religions claim to mouth the word of God, yet they all
conflict?
Now I am not against people's right to believe or their right to not
believe - I am agnostic on the subject of God.
But I am against religious fanatics trying to control others through
their fantasies.
The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.
The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man.
And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.
We can say the same arguments for the Qur·'an or the Book of
Mormons...they must all be true because they say they are true.
Also See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=318.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
.
User: "Sexy Debbie"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 07 Oct 2007 10:36:17 AM
Well I must say that this is the most stupid load of rubbish that I have
ever read. It just goes to show that you haven't got a clue about the
history of the Bible, how it came to be, how the scrolls were found in
different parts of the world centuries apart, then all fitted together like
a jig-saw. There is only one God and one son, who have been before anything
else. Try Looking at Psalm 83:18 and Exodus 6:3
People who deny God are just idiots, you have only to look at the human body
(ALONE) to see that, the male and female, how we were made to be fruitful
and become many. For those of you who think that we just evolved from apes,
How come we still have apes then? Did just the few evolve in humans and the
rest stay as they were, Wake Up, it isn't rocket science is it. Whatever
question you want, you will always find the answer in the Bible. Also, if
the Bible is just man made fiction, how can it possibly know all those
centuries ago about the last days in which we are living like Mathew 24 and
2 Timothy chapter 3. Jesus said "those seeking the truth will search for the
truth" and in my opinion, most people just can't be bothered to do that,
that's why they come out with all this rubbish like you have written below.
Call yourself a agnostic Freethinker and Practical Philosopher, whoever told
you that. You are going to be in for one heck of a shock, remember that
you'll NEVER find an atheist on a sinking ship.
Debbie
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1bsNi.194$a8.178@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

Just more religious nonsense!
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191588308.716972.278350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:

God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.

The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.

--------------

Also read:

Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.








Thanks for your post.

I'm afraid you have your wires crossed my friend.

If the evidence was as you say, we would not be having this
discussion.

You see, there is nil evidence for truth and overwhelming evidence
that the bible is just man made fiction.

May I suggest if you wish to send quotes from the bible you send
generic ones that all may apply to use as practical wisdom in their
life?

For instance, one I find useful when I start making too many demands
on happiness:

"For I have learned in whatever situation I find myself to be content.
I am experiences in living low and I know what it is to have
abundance. I have learned how to cope with every circumstance - how to
eat well or go hungry, to be well provided for or to do without."
Phillipians 4:11

While this is not perfect advice for all occasions, it does remind us
that we can never be at peace if we cannot find contentment in the
present moment. And true peace is not dependent on outer circumstances
matching our inner desires.

Ken Humphreys of http://jesusneverexisted.com/ talks about people
getting high on religion and this is exactly what many theists do -
they get drugged up with religious fantasy and live a delusional life.
And in the process they try to bring others out of reality and into
the same delusion.

But this is an age old problem with religion. Study up the reformation
and Martin Luther. Her had the same issues to deal with. Nowadays the
Muslims say one thing, the Jehovah Witnesses say another, the
Catholics say this, the Jews say that and the LDS are always in
trouble cause of teen sex.

All these religions claim to mouth the word of God, yet they all
conflict?

Now I am not against people's right to believe or their right to not
believe - I am agnostic on the subject of God.

But I am against religious fanatics trying to control others through
their fantasies.

The problem with always going back to the bible for the last word is
this.

The bible is not the Word of God, but the word of man.

And the only thing that confirms the bible, is the bible, which is not
a confirmation.

We can say the same arguments for the Qur·'an or the Book of
Mormons...they must all be true because they say they are true.


Also See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=318.0


http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0



Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2



.


User: ""

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 05:30:26 PM
On Oct 5, 5:45?am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:





God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.


The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.


--------------


Also read:


Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.


Thanks for your post.

I'm afraid you have your wires crossed my friend.

If the evidence was as you say, we would not be having this
discussion.

You see, there is nil evidence for truth and overwhelming evidence
that the bible is just man made fiction.

May I suggest if you wish to send quotes from the bible you send
generic ones that all may apply to use as practical wisdom in their
life?

Ephesians 2: 8-9.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from
you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast.
.
User: "Josef Balluch"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 08:16:47 PM
"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1191623426.811805.231290@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Ephesians 2: 8-9.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from
you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast.

The Padre vs Himself 10-4-2007
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion/msg/82ed62d9ddc05eb8
So make up your mind, padre. Or have your priest make up your mind for you.
< chuckle! >
Regards,
Josef
To be clear-headed rather than confused; lucid rather than
obscure; rational rather than otherwise; and to be neither
more, nor less, sure of things than is justifiable by argument or
evidence. That is worth trying for.
-- Geoffrey Warnock
.

User: "skyeyes"

Title: Re: Psalm 19: 8-11. 10-4-2007. 05 Oct 2007 06:38:30 PM
On Oct 5, 3:30 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:

On Oct 5, 5:45?am, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:





On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:


God's Glory In The Heavens And In The Law.


The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The decree of the Lord is trustworthy,
giving wisdom to the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart.
The command of the Lord is clear,
enlightening the eye.
The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The statutes of the Lord are true,
all of them just;
More desirable than gold,
Sweeter also than honey
or drippings from the comb.


--------------


Also read:


Luke 10: 1-12.
Nehemiah 8: 1-12.


Thanks for your post.


I'm afraid you have your wires crossed my friend.


If the evidence was as you say, we would not be having this
discussion.


You see, there is nil evidence for truth and overwhelming evidence
that the bible is just man made fiction.


May I suggest if you wish to send quotes from the bible you send
generic ones that all may apply to use as practical wisdom in their
life?


Ephesians 2: 8-9.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from
you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast.

The Book of James, Chapter 20 (lest I be accused of taking anything
out of context):
"James 2
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord
of glory, with respect of persons.
2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in
goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say
unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand
thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil
thoughts?
5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this
world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised
to them that love him?
6But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw
you before the judgment seats?
7Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt
love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced
of the law as transgressors.
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one
point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a
transgressor of the law.
12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of
liberty.
13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no
mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith,
and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and
filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are
needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy
faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered
Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith
made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God,
and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the
Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith
only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she
had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works
is dead also.
So you see, the bible *clearly* teaches that we are justified by works
and not by faith alone.
Now go away.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
.




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