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"TecnoMage" |
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27 Oct 2005 08:00:14 PM |
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Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
Christendom’s popes and clergy bewail the upsurge of atheism, and many
use it to justify their support of right-wing politics. Yet, the
question has to be asked: Who condoned the injustices and inequalities
that fomented this rise of atheism, particularly in the last century? It
occurred in an outstanding way in the realm of Christendom. For example,
the Russian Orthodox Church had consorted with the czars, who had
cruelly oppressed the people. The lack of true Christian values on the
part of those who presented themselves as representatives of God
contributed to conditions that formed a breeding ground for atheism.
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| User: "Kamikaze pig missionaries" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
28 Oct 2005 09:52:49 AM |
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Into alt.atheism shot TecnoMage <techl@nology.net> and breathlessly
exclaimed:
Christendom’s popes and clergy bewail the upsurge of atheism, and many
use it to justify their support of right-wing politics. Yet, the
question has to be asked: Who condoned the injustices and inequalities
that fomented this rise of atheism, particularly in the last century? It
occurred in an outstanding way in the realm of Christendom. For example,
the Russian Orthodox Church had consorted with the czars, who had
cruelly oppressed the people. The lack of true Christian values on the
part of those who presented themselves as representatives of God
contributed to conditions that formed a breeding ground for atheism.
Och, aye!
http://www.heathens.org.uk/r13%20Bagpipes.mp3
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
27 Oct 2005 09:07:35 PM |
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TecnoMage wrote:
Christendom's popes and clergy bewail the upsurge of atheism, and many
use it to justify their support of right-wing politics. Yet, the
question has to be asked: Who condoned the injustices and inequalities
that fomented this rise of atheism, particularly in the last century?
You seem to misunderstand the reason behind people becoming atheists.
It is not because of corruption in the theist camp. (That only shows
that their gods have no power to make decent human beings out of them.)
"Deconversions" usually occur after an examination of theist claims and
the conclusion that there is no evidence for them.
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occurred in an outstanding way in the realm of Christendom. For example,
the Russian Orthodox Church had consorted with the czars, who had
cruelly oppressed the people.
Wasn't the Russian Orthodox Church founded by the Czars? And of course
it would buddy up to the Czars, prior relationship notwithstanding.
Churches are political organizations, so it makes sense for them to be
on friendly terms with the ruler.
The lack of true Christian values on the
part of those who presented themselves as representatives of God
contributed to conditions that formed a breeding ground for atheism.
True Christian Values(tm) are the values displayed by a Christian.
Perhaps they're not scriptural, but then again, they probably are,
considering all the various moralities you can pick and choose from.
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| User: "Jeffrey Goldberg" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
28 Oct 2005 03:50:38 PM |
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TecnoMage wrote:
Christendom=92s popes and clergy bewail the upsurge of atheism, and
many use it to justify their support of right-wing politics. [...]
The lack of true Christian values on the part of those who presented
themselves as representatives of God contributed to conditions that
formed a breeding ground for atheism.
I'm sure that there are some atheists who are atheists because they=20
don't like the politics and methods of traditional religious=20
organizations. But I also know that there are other atheists, who=20
simply don't believe in the super natural.
But please, I'd like to hear about your kinder, gentler Christianity and =
see if that more attractive view of religion weakens my atheism.
-j
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
28 Oct 2005 06:12:25 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:50:38 -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg
<nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:
TecnoMage wrote:
Christendom’s popes and clergy bewail the upsurge of atheism, and
many use it to justify their support of right-wing politics. [...]
The lack of true Christian values on the part of those who presented
themselves as representatives of God contributed to conditions that
formed a breeding ground for atheism.
Hardly. Having zero reason to believe in deity is the reason.
I'm sure that there are some atheists who are atheists because they
don't like the politics and methods of traditional religious
organizations. But I also know that there are other atheists, who
simply don't believe in the super natural.
But please, I'd like to hear about your kinder, gentler Christianity and
see if that more attractive view of religion weakens my atheism.
That would be surprising. Some believers imagine it would, but would
that change your level of disbelief?
-j
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
30 Oct 2005 08:15:29 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:50:38 -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org>
wrote:
I'm sure that there are some atheists who are atheists because they=20
don't like the politics and methods of traditional religious=20
organizations.
Are you saying that people are able to switch their god-belief, on or off,
according to the political stance of a particular religion?
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| User: "Jeffrey Goldberg" |
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| Title: Re: Pseudo Christians Foments Atheism |
31 Oct 2005 03:30:38 PM |
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[Note, I just noticed how widely cross posted this thread is, I never
would have responded otherwise. I'm restricting follow-ups to fewer
groups, removing the Russian-orthodox and JW ones].
Dubh Ghall wrote:
Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:
I'm sure that there are some atheists who are atheists because they
don't like the politics and methods of traditional religious
organizations.
Are you saying that people are able to switch their god-belief, on or
off, according to the political stance of a particular religion?
No. I am agreeing with the original poster that there are probably some
people who opposed religion as they say it practised and generalized to
belief as a whole. Cognitively people "throw out the baby with the bath
water" all of the time.
However, as I stated in my posting, I do not consider myself among them.
And I even suggested that the original poster was wrong in trying
to "blame" atheism on poorly practice religion. That is we throw out
the baby on its own merits.
-j
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