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"maff" |
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01 Sep 2005 08:28:00 AM |
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Psychohistory |
Empire of the sums
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1555330,00.html
In a controversial book, Peter Turchin outlines mathematical formulae
for history's grandest narratives: the rise and fall of great
civilisations. Philip Ball investigates
Thursday August 25, 2005
The Guardian
With the science of psychohistory we can predict the future. We can map
out the next thousand years in detail, and the next 30,000 in outline.
Equipped with mathematical models of mass behaviour, psychohistorians
such as Hari Seldon of Streeling University can predict the fate of
nations.
But neither psychohistory nor Hari Seldon are real: they were invented
by Isaac Asimov in his famous Foundation series, which describes the
fluctuating fortunes of the Galactic Empire.
Philip Ball
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/7fd30074c4cf3d57
Psychohistory
http://news.google.com/news?q=Psychohistory&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=Psychohistory&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=Psychohistory&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Psychohistory&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wg
Peter Turchin
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Peter%20Turchin%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Peter+Turchin%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Peter+Turchin%22&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Peter%20Turchin%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wg
Hari Seldon
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Hari%20Seldon%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Hari+Seldon%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&tab=nw&ie=UTF-8&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Hari+Seldon%22&btnG=Search+Directory&hl=en&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Hari%20Seldon%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&scoring=d&tab=wg
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Psychohistory |
01 Sep 2005 08:35:49 AM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
Empire of the sums
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1555330,00.html
In a controversial book, Peter Turchin outlines mathematical formulae
for history's grandest narratives: the rise and fall of great
civilisations. Philip Ball investigates
Thursday August 25, 2005
The Guardian
With the science of psychohistory we can predict the future. We can
map out the next thousand years in detail, and the next 30,000 in
outline. Equipped with mathematical models of mass behaviour,
psychohistorians such as Hari Seldon of Streeling University can
predict the fate of nations.
But neither psychohistory nor Hari Seldon are real: they were
invented by Isaac Asimov in his famous Foundation series, which
describes the fluctuating fortunes of the Galactic Empire.
I suppose that clarification is for the benefit of those who haven't
taken Geek Studies 101.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "*Hemidactylus*" |
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| Title: Re: Psychohistory |
01 Sep 2005 02:53:06 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
Empire of the sums
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1555330,00.html
In a controversial book, Peter Turchin outlines mathematical formulae
for history's grandest narratives: the rise and fall of great
civilisations. Philip Ball investigates
Thursday August 25, 2005
The Guardian
With the science of psychohistory we can predict the future. We can
map out the next thousand years in detail, and the next 30,000 in
outline. Equipped with mathematical models of mass behaviour,
psychohistorians such as Hari Seldon of Streeling University can
predict the fate of nations.
But neither psychohistory nor Hari Seldon are real: they were
invented by Isaac Asimov in his famous Foundation series, which
describes the fluctuating fortunes of the Galactic Empire.
I suppose that clarification is for the benefit of those who haven't
taken Geek Studies 101.
I've encountered two versions of psychohistory. One is psychoanalytic
and the other Asimovian.
For the psychoanalytic version:
http://www.psychohistory.com/
I read a book a while back called _Varieties of Psychohistory_ which
included an essay "Groupthink among policy makers" by social
psychologist Irving Janis. But I think a lot of the psychohistorians of
this ilk have Freudian leanings.
For the Asimovian version:
http://www.psychohistory.org/
For the basis of this, of course, one must read the Foundation series
and bow in uncritical deference to Hari Seldon. This amounts to not
much more than mathematical fortune telling.
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Psychohistory |
01 Sep 2005 05:06:36 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2005 07:53:06 -0700,
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
Empire of the sums
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1555330,00.html
In a controversial book, Peter Turchin outlines mathematical formulae
for history's grandest narratives: the rise and fall of great
civilisations. Philip Ball investigates
Thursday August 25, 2005
The Guardian
With the science of psychohistory we can predict the future. We can
map out the next thousand years in detail, and the next 30,000 in
outline. Equipped with mathematical models of mass behaviour,
psychohistorians such as Hari Seldon of Streeling University can
predict the fate of nations.
But neither psychohistory nor Hari Seldon are real: they were
invented by Isaac Asimov in his famous Foundation series, which
describes the fluctuating fortunes of the Galactic Empire.
I suppose that clarification is for the benefit of those who haven't
taken Geek Studies 101.
I've encountered two versions of psychohistory. One is psychoanalytic
and the other Asimovian.
For the psychoanalytic version:
http://www.psychohistory.com/
I read a book a while back called _Varieties of Psychohistory_ which
included an essay "Groupthink among policy makers" by social
psychologist Irving Janis. But I think a lot of the psychohistorians of
this ilk have Freudian leanings.
For the Asimovian version:
http://www.psychohistory.org/
For the basis of this, of course, one must read the Foundation series
and bow in uncritical deference to Hari Seldon. This amounts to not
much more than mathematical fortune telling.
Well, Asimov was fully aware, through Seldon, that such a science would
ultimately not work, so thus the Second Foundation.
I actually reread the original trilogy a few years back, and despite a bit
of atomic goofiness (typical of the era), they really do stand as being at
the pinnacle of SF.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: Psychohistory |
01 Sep 2005 05:10:31 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote:
I actually reread the original trilogy a few years back, and despite
a bit of atomic goofiness (typical of the era), they really do stand
as being at the pinnacle of SF.
I reread it quite a few years ago (though long after my first reading),
and was somewhat disappointed.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "*Hemidactylus*" |
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| Title: Re: Psychohistory |
01 Sep 2005 03:12:22 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
Empire of the sums
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1555330,00.html
In a controversial book, Peter Turchin outlines mathematical formulae
for history's grandest narratives: the rise and fall of great
civilisations. Philip Ball investigates
Thursday August 25, 2005
The Guardian
With the science of psychohistory we can predict the future. We can
map out the next thousand years in detail, and the next 30,000 in
outline. Equipped with mathematical models of mass behaviour,
psychohistorians such as Hari Seldon of Streeling University can
predict the fate of nations.
But neither psychohistory nor Hari Seldon are real: they were
invented by Isaac Asimov in his famous Foundation series, which
describes the fluctuating fortunes of the Galactic Empire.
I suppose that clarification is for the benefit of those who haven't
taken Geek Studies 101.
I've encountered two versions of psychohistory. One is psychoanalytic
and the other Asimovian.
For the psychoanalytic version:
http://www.psychohistory.com/
I read a book a while back called _Varieties of Psychohistory_ which
included an essay "Groupthink among policy makers" by social
psychologist Irving Janis. But I think a lot of the psychohistorians of
this ilk have Freudian leanings.
For the Asimovian version:
http://www.psychohistory.org/
For the basis of this, of course, one must read the Foundation series
and bow in uncritical deference to Hari Seldon. This amounts to not
much more than mathematical fortune telling.
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