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Public Schools Don't Have a Prayer |
Public Schools Don't Have a Prayer
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa070100a.htm
[excerpts]
.. . .Since that 1962 case of Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court has issued
a series of rulings that may result in the elimination of organized
observances of any religion from America's public schools. . .
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For the past 50 years or so, those not in the majority have become more
vocal in demanding 'equal protection under the law.' This has so surprised
and shocked the majority that they have adopted the mantle of victimhood.
"How dare you tell me that I can't have all the students recite MY prayers
in MY school! You are infringing my rights of speech and religion."
Submitted by TWODOX -- June 29. 2000 --
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.. . .Why did this happen?
Since 1962, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that in "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," the Founding
Fathers intended that no act of government (including public schools)
should favor any one religion over others. That's hard to do, because once
you mention God, Jesus, or anything even remotely "Biblical," you have
pushed the constitutional envelope by "favoring" one practice of religion
over all others.
It may very well be that the only way to not favor one religion over
others, is to not favor any religion at all -- a path now being chosen by
many public schools.
Can you really blame the Supreme Court?
Polls show that a majority of people disagree with the Supreme Court's
religion-in-schools rulings. While it's fine to disagree with them, it is
not really fair to blame the Court for making them.
The Supreme Court did not just sit down one day and say, "Let's ban
religion from public schools." Had the Supreme Court not been asked to
interpret the Establishment Clause by private citizens, including some
members of the Clergy, they never would have done so. The :Lord's Prayer
would be recited and the Ten Commandments read in American classrooms just
as they were prior to June 25, 1962. (Engle v. Vitale)
But, in America, you say, "the majority rules." Like when the majority
ruled that women could not vote, or that black people should ride only in
the back of the bus?
Perhaps the most important job of the Supreme Court is to see to it that
will of the majority is never unfairly or hurtfully forced on the minority.
And, that's a good thing because, you never know when the minority might be
you.
Reference Links
The Free Exercise Clause: A License for Anarchy?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.sunnetworks.net/%7Eggarman/anarchy.html
"In America, every citizen may believe about religion whatever he or
she chooses, but no one has a right to actions in the name of religion
which violate the law." - Gene Garman, Author of America's Real Religion.
Annotations and Interpretations - First Amendment
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://caselaw.findlaw.com/data/Constitution/amendment01/
FindLaw presents links to court cases, interpretations, and scholarly
opinions on the 1st Amendment and the "Establishment Clause."
[end excerpts]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: Public Schools Don't Have a Prayer |
03 Oct 2006 04:36:20 PM |
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Public Schools Don't Have a Prayer
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa070100a.htm
[excerpts]
. . .Since that 1962 case of Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court has issued
a series of rulings that may result in the elimination of organized
observances of any religion from America's public schools. . .
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For the past 50 years or so, those not in the majority have become more
vocal in demanding 'equal protection under the law.' This has so surprised
and shocked the majority that they have adopted the mantle of victimhood.
"How dare you tell me that I can't have all the students recite MY prayers
in MY school! You are infringing my rights of speech and religion."
Submitted by TWODOX -- June 29. 2000 --
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------
. . .Why did this happen?
Since 1962, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that in "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," the Founding
Fathers intended that no act of government (including public schools)
should favor any one religion over others. That's hard to do, because once
you mention God, Jesus, or anything even remotely "Biblical," you have
pushed the constitutional envelope by "favoring" one practice of religion
over all others.
Why do you stubbornly persist in lying through your teeth about the
intentions of the Founding Fathers concerning c&s separation? :^(
Justice Black misrepresented Jefferson and the intentions of the
Founding Fathers concerning c&s separation. Black did so by
inappropriately using Jefferson's "wall of separation" words to help
justify his treasonous, anti-Catholic interpretation of the
establishment clause. This is evidenced by the fact that Jefferson
himself had noted several times that the Founders had written the 1st
and 10th Amendments in part to delegate government power to address
religious issues uniquely to the state governments:
"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also
expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that
'the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively
or to the people': and that no power over the freedom of religion,
freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US.
by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful
powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the
states or the people..." --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions,
1798. http://tinyurl.com/oozoo
"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is
placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general
government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe the
religious exercises suited to it; but have left them as the
Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of State or
Church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies."
--Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378
http://tinyurl.com/jmpm3
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the
Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their
doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the
provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or
free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the
states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no
power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in
religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It
must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human
authority." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808.
http://tinyurl.com/nkdu7
The bottom line is that, by quoting Jefferson, Justice Black probably
picked the worse person to quote to help justify his treasonous
interpretation of the establishment clause.
The people need to get a grip on what the honest interpretations of the
1st, 10th and 14th Amendments actually say about their religious
freedoms. Then, when the people wise up to the fact that they are
essentially prisoners of conscious to the bogus interpretation of the
establishment clause by a renegade, anti-religious expression Supreme
Court majority, they will hopefully heed Lincoln's advice for dealing
with crooked judges:
"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts
- not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who
pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln, Political debates between
Lincoln and Douglas, 1858.
It may very well be that the only way to not favor one religion over
others, is to not favor any religion at all -- a path now being chosen by
many public schools.
Can you really blame the Supreme Court?
Polls show that a majority of people disagree with the Supreme Court's
religion-in-schools rulings. While it's fine to disagree with them, it is
not really fair to blame the Court for making them.
The Supreme Court did not just sit down one day and say, "Let's ban
religion from public schools." Had the Supreme Court not been asked to
interpret the Establishment Clause by private citizens, including some
members of the Clergy, they never would have done so. The :Lord's Prayer
would be recited and the Ten Commandments read in American classrooms just
as they were prior to June 25, 1962. (Engle v. Vitale)
But, in America, you say, "the majority rules." Like when the majority
ruled that women could not vote, or that black people should ride only in
the back of the bus?
Perhaps the most important job of the Supreme Court is to see to it that
will of the majority is never unfairly or hurtfully forced on the minorit=
y=2E
And, that's a good thing because, you never know when the minority might =
be
you.
Reference Links
The Free Exercise Clause: A License for Anarchy?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=3Dhttp://www.sunne=
tworks.net/%7Eggarman/anarchy.html
"In America, every citizen may believe about religion whatever he or
she chooses, but no one has a right to actions in the name of religion
which violate the law." - Gene Garman, Author of America's Real Religion.
Annotations and Interpretations - First Amendment
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=3Dhttp://caselaw.f=
indlaw.com/data/Constitution/amendment01/
FindLaw presents links to court cases, interpretations, and scholarly
opinions on the 1st Amendment and the "Establishment Clause."
[end excerpts]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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