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User: "Jong Kim"
Date: 17 Aug 2007 09:58:25 AM
Object: Purblindness
Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Jong Kim wrote:
[snip crap]


THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST

[snip rest of crap, 638 lines total]


Hindus have 30 crores of gods - 300 million deities.
Nobody gives ***** one about your halfling ***** god-on-a-stick.


The Lord rebuke thee.


No, you rebuke him, and not very effectively I might add.

I took the path of least action (look up "principle of least action"), or in
other words, some weeks ago I was counseled by the Spirit of the Lord to
reply revilers in this manner:
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD
that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of
the fire?
(Old Testament | Zechariah 3:2)
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed
about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation,
but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they
know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
(New Testament | Jude 1:7 - 10)
Brigham Young:
They have no confidence in anybody, and can have none in themselves, for
they do not know themselves. They do not comprehend their existence, and
were it not that they get tired, and wish to rest, they would scarcely
realize that they had a body; and when their stomachs become empty and crave
food, they are prompted, like the brutes, to seek for something to eat.
This is the case with some in this congregation, they have but little more
idea of what they are, who they are, and what will be their future destiny,
than has the stall-fed bullock that is fatted for slaughter.
What is the matter with them? The god of this world has blinded their
minds, they give way to selfishness, covetousness, and divers other kinds of
wickedness, suffer the allurements of this world to decoy them from the
paths of truth, forget their God, their religion, their covenants, and the
blessings they have received, and become like beasts, made to be taken and
destroyed at the will of the destroyer.
This is the situation, not only of the great majority of the world, but of
many of the inhabitants of these valleys; they have no correct idea of the
day of destruction, the day of calamity; they have no realization of the day
of sorrow and retribution. They put these things far away and do not wish
to think about them, but say, "Let us eat, drink, and lay down and sleep,
and that is all we desire;" then like the brutes they are happy. It never
enters the hearts of the mass of mankind that they are preparing for the day
of calamity and slaughter.
~~Journal of Discourses, Vol.3, Pg.273, March 23, 1856

--
Jong Kim, Apostle of the One Mighty and Strong, who is
Art Bulla, Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ


Art Bulla, the Flighty and Wrong, is a self-serving loon.

11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and
shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for
so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
(New Testament | Matthew 5:11 - 12)

You are especially sad. Educate yourself.

In my dream methought I strayed
Where a learned-looking maid
Stores of flimsy goods displayed,
Articles not worth wearing.
"These," she said, with solemn air,
"Are the robes that sages wear,
Warranted, when kept with care,
Never to need repairing."
Then unnumbered witlings, caught
By her wiles, the trappings bought,
===
Witling, n.
A person who has little wit or understanding;
a pretender to wit or smartness.
===
And by labour, not by thought,
Honour and fame were earning.
While the men of wiser mind
Passed for blind among the blind;
Pedants left them far behind
In the career of learning.
"Those that fix their eager eyes
Ever on the nearest prize
Well may venture to despise
Loftier aspirations.
Pedantry is in demand!
Buy it up at second-hand,
Seek no more to understand
Profitless speculations."
Thus the gaudy gowns were sold,
Cast off sloughs of pedants old;
===
Slough, n.
The skin, commonly the cast-off skin, of a serpent
or of some similar animal.
===
Proudly marched the students bold
Through the domain of error, [625]
Till their trappings, false though fair,
Mouldered off and left them bare,
Clustering close in blank despair,
Nakedness, cold, and terror.
Then, I said, "These haughty Schools
Boast that by their formal rules
They produce more learned fools
Than could be well expected.
Learned fools they are indeed,
Learned in the books they read;
Fools whene'er they come to need
Wisdom, too long neglected.
"Oh! that men indeed were wiser
And would raise their purblind eyes
===
Purblind, adj. [For pure-blind, i. e., wholly blind.]
Nearsighted, or dim-sighted; seeing obscurely;
as, a purblind eye; a purblind mole.
Purblindly, adv.
Purblindness, n.
===
To the opening mysteries
Scattered around them ever.
Truth should spring from sterile ground,
Beauty beam from all around,
Right should then at last be found
Joining what none may sever."
~~James Clerk Maxwell, *The Life of* (1882), pg. 316
One prophecy of the Book of Mormon plates:
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down
from heaven.
(Old Testament | Psalms 85:11)
John Taylor Gatto:
Oriental Pedagogy
The ideal of a leveling Oriental pedagogy expressed through government
schooling was promoted by Jacobin orators of the French National Convention
in the early 1790s, the commencement years of our own republic. The notion
of forced schooling was irresistible to French radicals, an enthusiasm whose
foundation had been laid in preceding centuries by utopian writers like
Harrington (Oceania), More (Utopia), Bacon (New Atlantis), Campanella (City
of the Sun), and in other speculative fantasy embracing the fate of
children. Cultivating a collective social organism was considered the
ingredient missing from feudal society, an ingredient which would allow the
West the harmony and stability of the East.
Utopian schooling is never about learning in the traditional sense; it's
about the transformation of human nature. The core of the difference between
Occident and Orient lies in the power relationship between privileged and
ordinary, and in respective outlooks on human nature. In the West, a
metaphorical table is spread by society; the student decides how much to
eat; in the East, the teacher makes that decision. The Chinese character for
school shows a passive child with adult hands pouring knowledge into his
empty head.
To mandate outcomes centrally would be a major step in the destruction of
Western identity. Management by objectives, whatever those objectives might
be, is a technique of corporate subordination, not of education. Like
Alfred's, Charlemagne's awareness of Asia was sharpened in mortal combat.
He was the first secular Western potentate to beat the drum for secular
schooling. It was easy to ignore Plato's gloomy forecast that however
attractive utopia appears in imagination, human nature will not live easily
with the degree of synthetic constraint it requires.
~~*The Underground History of American Education* (2002)
We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teachers leave them kids alone.
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
~~Pink Floyd
The Underground History of American Education: a Schoolteacher's Intimate
Investigation into the Problem of Modern Schooling. (stressful schooling).
John Taylor Gatto 2002; 440 pp. Oxford Village Press
John Taylor Gatto's writings have been challenging Whole Earth readers since
the 1980s. Among his writings we've published are his acceptance speech as
New York State's Teacher of the Year (which he used to bash the institution
of school) and an excerpt from his Dumbing Us Down (New Society Publishers,
1992).
Gatto's latest is an engaging, exhaustive opus that dissects the mythology,
origin, evolution, and industrialization of the public school system in
America.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-84866401.html
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream?
It's all right we told you what to dream.
~~Pink Floyd
Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because
he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our Founding Fathers,
toward his parents, toward our elected officials, toward a belief in a
supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate
entity. It's up to you, teachers, to make all of these sick children well by
creating the international child of the future.
~~Chester Pierce, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard University
Why would I be wrong to see Young vs Morris as
merely what it appears to be: rival alpha males
protecting turf and power -- it's a scenario that
has played out in precisely the same manner
countless times no matter whose names are on
the bill or who's sponsoring the match.
Looks like "he said, he said" to me, mere might makes
right, Darwinian survival of the strongest at its best.
~~Redtrollnames Berserk Relaxwell,
The Vladimir Putin Professor of
Neuroelectromagneticquantumthermodynamicevolution
at Moscova State University,
*Basic Principles of Self-organization* (2006)

Get a mind. Get a spine.

The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.
All this has been said more than 200 years ago by one of our own
prophets, William Harvey of Gonville and Caius College:-"For whosoever they
be that read authors, and do not, by the aid of their own senses, abstract
true representations of the things themselves (comprehended in the author's
expressions) they do not represent true ideas, but deceitful idols and
phantasmas; by which means they frame to themselves certaine shadows and
chimaeras, and all their theory and contemplation (which they call science)
represents nothing but waking men's dreams and sick men's phrensies."
....
Francis Galton, whose mission it seems to be to ride other men's hobbies
to death, ...
~~James Clerk Maxwell, *The Life of* (1882), pgs. 178,189
But the blind prejudice of the scientific community, which is nothing more
than a hegemony of paid erudite liars, conveniently discard logic in order
to stubbornly cling to their brand of false religion, that their paychecks
may keep rolling in, for did the adversary not say that he would buy up
armies and navies, Popes, Kings and scientists and rule with blood and
horror upon this earth?
I have pointed these contradictions out to the Leakeys of South Africa and
the still insist upon their theory of evolution in spite of reason and
truth, which I will demonstrate within this letter to the satisfaction of a
child.
I prayed unto my God who hath revealed himself personally to mea concerning
this theory and through Revelation, which medium is a superior source of
wisdom than any mere empiricism, I received two blaring contradictions to
the above named fundamental sciences.
Darwin was not acquainted with mathematics or physics, the fundamentals upon
which all scientific disciplines rest, to any serious degree: he was a
naturalist who drew erroneous conclusions from a loose collection of facts.
I will show you how the world has been deceived:
The fundamental premise of evolution is that organisms sprang into being
from a random chance collision of molecules in a "primordial sea" or "soup"
and that these admittedly simple organisms "evolved"-a term coined by some
fat victorian naturalist-into more complex organisms by an equally random,
chance process.
First of all this process in its description breaks one of the fundamental
laws of physics, the second law of thermodynamics, which states that
everything in nature naturally proceeds from a high energy level which is
usually less stable, to a low energy state (in other words, water runs
downhill, not up).
A specific case of this law states that through a process called entropy,
systems prefer to be in a disorganized state, rather than one that has a
high degree of organization, such as a human body, in other words, things in
nature proceed from a state of order through entropy to a state of disorder
(I speak of random collisions of molecules).
A system which is organized has inherently more energy, not less than one
than one which is disorganized.
Hence the need for an energy input of some source to effect this
organization.
~~Art Bulla, Revelations of Jesus Christ 14:31-40
Admitting heat to be a form of energy, the second law asserts that it is
impossible, by the unaided action of natural processes, to transform any
part of the heat of a body into mechanical work, except by allowing heat to
pass from that body into another at a lower temperature.
~~James Clerk Maxwell, *Theory of Heat* (1871)
What do you know on natural principles? I do not say natural philosophy,
because my religion is natural philosophy. You never heard me preach a
doctrine but what has a natural system to it, and, when understood, is as
easy to comprehend as that two and two equal four. All the revelations of
the Lord Almighty to the children of men, and all revealed doctrines of
salvation are upon natural principles, upon natural philosophy.
~~Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.202 - Pg.203, February 1,
1857
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe
not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of
God, should shine unto them.
Paul of Tarsus, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
Why be literate in pseudoscientific stuff
And persist in opposing the Lord's Sheriff?
I say I know the reason -- your purblindness
Induced by Satan; yea, that's his business.
.

User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Purblindness 17 Aug 2007 02:39:42 PM
More Biblical nonsense!
"Jong Kim" <rhl71@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13cbdoh75sf271d@corp.supernews.com...

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Jong Kim wrote:
[snip crap]


THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST

[snip rest of crap, 638 lines total]


Hindus have 30 crores of gods - 300 million deities.
Nobody gives ***** one about your halfling ***** god-on-a-stick.


The Lord rebuke thee.


No, you rebuke him, and not very effectively I might add.


I took the path of least action (look up "principle of least action"), or

in

other words, some weeks ago I was counseled by the Spirit of the Lord to
reply revilers in this manner:

2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the

LORD

that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out

of

the fire?

(Old Testament | Zechariah 3:2)

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed
about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation,
but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they
know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

(New Testament | Jude 1:7 - 10)

Brigham Young:

They have no confidence in anybody, and can have none in themselves, for
they do not know themselves. They do not comprehend their existence, and
were it not that they get tired, and wish to rest, they would scarcely
realize that they had a body; and when their stomachs become empty and

crave

food, they are prompted, like the brutes, to seek for something to eat.
This is the case with some in this congregation, they have but little more
idea of what they are, who they are, and what will be their future

destiny,

than has the stall-fed bullock that is fatted for slaughter.

What is the matter with them? The god of this world has blinded their
minds, they give way to selfishness, covetousness, and divers other kinds

of

wickedness, suffer the allurements of this world to decoy them from the
paths of truth, forget their God, their religion, their covenants, and the
blessings they have received, and become like beasts, made to be taken and
destroyed at the will of the destroyer.

This is the situation, not only of the great majority of the world, but of
many of the inhabitants of these valleys; they have no correct idea of the
day of destruction, the day of calamity; they have no realization of the

day

of sorrow and retribution. They put these things far away and do not wish
to think about them, but say, "Let us eat, drink, and lay down and sleep,
and that is all we desire;" then like the brutes they are happy. It never
enters the hearts of the mass of mankind that they are preparing for the

day

of calamity and slaughter.

~~Journal of Discourses, Vol.3, Pg.273, March 23, 1856

--
Jong Kim, Apostle of the One Mighty and Strong, who is
Art Bulla, Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ


Art Bulla, the Flighty and Wrong, is a self-serving loon.


11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and
shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven:

for

so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:11 - 12)

You are especially sad. Educate yourself.


In my dream methought I strayed
Where a learned-looking maid
Stores of flimsy goods displayed,
Articles not worth wearing.
"These," she said, with solemn air,
"Are the robes that sages wear,
Warranted, when kept with care,
Never to need repairing."

Then unnumbered witlings, caught
By her wiles, the trappings bought,
===
Witling, n.
A person who has little wit or understanding;
a pretender to wit or smartness.
===
And by labour, not by thought,
Honour and fame were earning.
While the men of wiser mind
Passed for blind among the blind;
Pedants left them far behind
In the career of learning.

"Those that fix their eager eyes
Ever on the nearest prize
Well may venture to despise
Loftier aspirations.
Pedantry is in demand!
Buy it up at second-hand,
Seek no more to understand
Profitless speculations."

Thus the gaudy gowns were sold,
Cast off sloughs of pedants old;
===
Slough, n.
The skin, commonly the cast-off skin, of a serpent
or of some similar animal.
===
Proudly marched the students bold
Through the domain of error, [625]
Till their trappings, false though fair,
Mouldered off and left them bare,
Clustering close in blank despair,
Nakedness, cold, and terror.

Then, I said, "These haughty Schools
Boast that by their formal rules
They produce more learned fools
Than could be well expected.
Learned fools they are indeed,
Learned in the books they read;
Fools whene'er they come to need
Wisdom, too long neglected.

"Oh! that men indeed were wiser
And would raise their purblind eyes
===
Purblind, adj. [For pure-blind, i. e., wholly blind.]
Nearsighted, or dim-sighted; seeing obscurely;
as, a purblind eye; a purblind mole.
Purblindly, adv.
Purblindness, n.
===
To the opening mysteries
Scattered around them ever.
Truth should spring from sterile ground,
Beauty beam from all around,
Right should then at last be found
Joining what none may sever."

~~James Clerk Maxwell, *The Life of* (1882), pg. 316

One prophecy of the Book of Mormon plates:

11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down
from heaven.

(Old Testament | Psalms 85:11)

John Taylor Gatto:

Oriental Pedagogy

The ideal of a leveling Oriental pedagogy expressed through government
schooling was promoted by Jacobin orators of the French National

Convention

in the early 1790s, the commencement years of our own republic. The notion
of forced schooling was irresistible to French radicals, an enthusiasm

whose

foundation had been laid in preceding centuries by utopian writers like
Harrington (Oceania), More (Utopia), Bacon (New Atlantis), Campanella

(City

of the Sun), and in other speculative fantasy embracing the fate of
children. Cultivating a collective social organism was considered the
ingredient missing from feudal society, an ingredient which would allow

the

West the harmony and stability of the East.

Utopian schooling is never about learning in the traditional sense; it's
about the transformation of human nature. The core of the difference

between

Occident and Orient lies in the power relationship between privileged and
ordinary, and in respective outlooks on human nature. In the West, a
metaphorical table is spread by society; the student decides how much to
eat; in the East, the teacher makes that decision. The Chinese character

for

school shows a passive child with adult hands pouring knowledge into his
empty head.

To mandate outcomes centrally would be a major step in the destruction of
Western identity. Management by objectives, whatever those objectives

might

be, is a technique of corporate subordination, not of education. Like
Alfred's, Charlemagne's awareness of Asia was sharpened in mortal combat.
He was the first secular Western potentate to beat the drum for secular
schooling. It was easy to ignore Plato's gloomy forecast that however
attractive utopia appears in imagination, human nature will not live

easily

with the degree of synthetic constraint it requires.

~~*The Underground History of American Education* (2002)

We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Teachers leave them kids alone.
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

~~Pink Floyd

The Underground History of American Education: a Schoolteacher's Intimate
Investigation into the Problem of Modern Schooling. (stressful schooling).

John Taylor Gatto 2002; 440 pp. Oxford Village Press

John Taylor Gatto's writings have been challenging Whole Earth readers

since

the 1980s. Among his writings we've published are his acceptance speech as
New York State's Teacher of the Year (which he used to bash the

institution

of school) and an excerpt from his Dumbing Us Down (New Society

Publishers,

1992).

Gatto's latest is an engaging, exhaustive opus that dissects the

mythology,

origin, evolution, and industrialization of the public school system in
America.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-84866401.html

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream?
It's all right we told you what to dream.

~~Pink Floyd

Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane

because

he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our Founding Fathers,
toward his parents, toward our elected officials, toward a belief in a
supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a

separate

entity. It's up to you, teachers, to make all of these sick children well

by

creating the international child of the future.

~~Chester Pierce, Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard University

Why would I be wrong to see Young vs Morris as
merely what it appears to be: rival alpha males
protecting turf and power -- it's a scenario that
has played out in precisely the same manner
countless times no matter whose names are on
the bill or who's sponsoring the match.

Looks like "he said, he said" to me, mere might makes
right, Darwinian survival of the strongest at its best.

~~Redtrollnames Berserk Relaxwell,
The Vladimir Putin Professor of
Neuroelectromagneticquantumthermodynamicevolution
at Moscova State University,
*Basic Principles of Self-organization* (2006)

Get a mind. Get a spine.


The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.

All this has been said more than 200 years ago by one of our own
prophets, William Harvey of Gonville and Caius College:-"For whosoever

they

be that read authors, and do not, by the aid of their own senses, abstract
true representations of the things themselves (comprehended in the

author's

expressions) they do not represent true ideas, but deceitful idols and
phantasmas; by which means they frame to themselves certaine shadows and
chimaeras, and all their theory and contemplation (which they call

science)

represents nothing but waking men's dreams and sick men's phrensies."
...
Francis Galton, whose mission it seems to be to ride other men's hobbies
to death, ...

~~James Clerk Maxwell, *The Life of* (1882), pgs. 178,189

But the blind prejudice of the scientific community, which is nothing more
than a hegemony of paid erudite liars, conveniently discard logic in order
to stubbornly cling to their brand of false religion, that their paychecks
may keep rolling in, for did the adversary not say that he would buy up
armies and navies, Popes, Kings and scientists and rule with blood and
horror upon this earth?

I have pointed these contradictions out to the Leakeys of South Africa and
the still insist upon their theory of evolution in spite of reason and
truth, which I will demonstrate within this letter to the satisfaction of

a

child.

I prayed unto my God who hath revealed himself personally to mea

concerning

this theory and through Revelation, which medium is a superior source of
wisdom than any mere empiricism, I received two blaring contradictions to
the above named fundamental sciences.

Darwin was not acquainted with mathematics or physics, the fundamentals

upon

which all scientific disciplines rest, to any serious degree: he was a
naturalist who drew erroneous conclusions from a loose collection of

facts.


I will show you how the world has been deceived:

The fundamental premise of evolution is that organisms sprang into being
from a random chance collision of molecules in a "primordial sea" or

"soup"

and that these admittedly simple organisms "evolved"-a term coined by some
fat victorian naturalist-into more complex organisms by an equally random,
chance process.

First of all this process in its description breaks one of the fundamental
laws of physics, the second law of thermodynamics, which states that
everything in nature naturally proceeds from a high energy level which is
usually less stable, to a low energy state (in other words, water runs
downhill, not up).

A specific case of this law states that through a process called entropy,
systems prefer to be in a disorganized state, rather than one that has a
high degree of organization, such as a human body, in other words, things

in

nature proceed from a state of order through entropy to a state of

disorder

(I speak of random collisions of molecules).

A system which is organized has inherently more energy, not less than one
than one which is disorganized.

Hence the need for an energy input of some source to effect this
organization.

~~Art Bulla, Revelations of Jesus Christ 14:31-40

Admitting heat to be a form of energy, the second law asserts that it is
impossible, by the unaided action of natural processes, to transform any
part of the heat of a body into mechanical work, except by allowing heat

to

pass from that body into another at a lower temperature.

~~James Clerk Maxwell, *Theory of Heat* (1871)

What do you know on natural principles? I do not say natural philosophy,
because my religion is natural philosophy. You never heard me preach a
doctrine but what has a natural system to it, and, when understood, is as
easy to comprehend as that two and two equal four. All the revelations of
the Lord Almighty to the children of men, and all revealed doctrines of
salvation are upon natural principles, upon natural philosophy.

~~Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.202 - Pg.203, February

1,

1857

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe
not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of
God, should shine unto them.

Paul of Tarsus, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Why be literate in pseudoscientific stuff
And persist in opposing the Lord's Sheriff?
I say I know the reason -- your purblindness
Induced by Satan; yea, that's his business.


.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Purblindness 17 Aug 2007 07:34:00 PM
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:58:25 -0700, Jong Kim wrote:

some weeks ago I was counseled by the Spirit of the Lord

Hearing voices eh? You know, there are medications for that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Can you unmasterbate to someone?"
- Bill Maher
.
User: "Watchman"

Title: Re: Purblindness 18 Aug 2007 02:54:21 AM
Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:


<snip>

Get a mind. Get a spine.


The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.

~~James Clerk Maxwell, brother of the Prophets
Art Bulla and Brigham Young and Joseph Smith

It is exactly unexamined feelings which will most likely lead you into
self-deception. You are not preaching Truth; you are merely displaying
that which gives *you* the most satisfaction.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be
hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a
candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(New Testament | Matthew 5:14 - 16)
33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the experiment, and planted the
seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs
know that the seed is good.
34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is
perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know,
for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it
hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and
your mind doth begin to expand.
35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and
whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must
know that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is
your knowledge perfect?
36 Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither must ye lay aside your faith, for ye
have only exercised your faith to plant the seed that ye might try the
experiment to know if the seed was good.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 32:33 - 36)
40 For intelligence cleaveth unto intelligence; wisdom receiveth wisdom;
truth embraceth truth; virtue loveth virtue; light cleaveth unto light;
mercy hath compassion on mercy and claimeth her own; justice continueth its
course and claimeth its own; judgment goeth before the face of him who
sitteth upon the throne and governeth and executeth all things.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:40)
Elders of Israel and Bishops, be fathers, and take a course by which you
will win the affections of the people. How? with your silken lips? No, no;
but with the fear of the Almighty. Do you know that men and women of God
love truth? They do not love sophistry, it is an abomination to them. When
men are smooth as oil, with a smile always upon their countenances, as some
Elders have, to gain an influence, the love people have for such men is
rotten, is without foundation; and in the day of trouble, when they need a
foundation in their people, they will find that it will fall to the ground,
and that the people will pass by them and say, "We do not know those men."
Let your influence and your power be gained by the power of the Lord
Almighty, by the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven, and see that you have
within you a well of water, springing up to everlasting life. Then when
your brethren and sisters come around you they will drink at that fountain,
and say, "We are one with you."
You hear the Elders teaching the people to try and have confidence in God,
and saying, "Do have confidence in the ordinances of the house of God;
brethren and sisters try and live your religion; try and have confidence in
your religion; have confidence in your God; have confidence in the Elders of
Israel, that lead you; have confidence in your Bishops and other presiding
officers, &c."
You know that almost every man who becomes a public speaker uses certain
peculiar words to convey particular ideas, selects a vocabulary and
arrangement more or less peculiar to himself, thereby causing that great
variety of style observed in speakers and writers. I have mine, which is
peculiar to me. Did you ever see a man who had such a peculiar vocabulary
as brother Heber has? I never did. Orson Hyde has a mode of expression
peculiar to himself, and so has every public speaker. My use of language is
good to me; and though others may use different words to convey the same
ideas, let me give out those ideas in my own style, according to my
understanding.
Now to return to those teachings by the Elders, in such cases I would say to
my dear brethren, to those who are of the household of faith, try to get a
little confidence in yourselves, and then try to live so as to have
confidence in your God. Ask even an infidel whether he believes that the
wonder workings of nature, the strange phenomena which he sees and cannot
account for, are produced, and he will answer, "Yes, I know they are." Do
you know that men, women, and children are healed? Yes, you know they are.
You behold those remarkable phenomena, though you cannot fully account for
them. You believe in a great many things which you do not understand, but
do you believe in yourselves? No, that is the grand difficulty with every
one of us.
I will take my own experience. When men and women bring their sick to me,
if I had the power I would heal all that should be healed. And if I had
perfect confidence in myself, and the Lord had that confidence in me which I
should then have in Him, no power beneath the heavens could prevent the
power of God from coming on them and healing them through me. But I have
not yet attained to perfect confidence in myself in all circumstances,
neither has God in me, for were such the case, He would answer every request
I made of Him, every wish of mine would be answered to the letter. And this
is the difficulty with the people, they have not attained to perfect
confidence in themselves, neither have we as yet sufficient grounds for that
degree of confidence.
We lay hands on the sick and wish them to be healed, and pray the Lord to
heal them, but we cannot always say that He will. We do not always know
that He will actually hear our prayers and answer them. Sometimes the
Elders will get that faith, and the sisters will often lay hands on their
children and have faith and confidence in themselves that God will answer
their prayers, and say to fevers and pains, "Be ye rebuked and stand far off
from this the afflicted," and it is done. But you have to attain to this
power by your faithfulness and confidence in yourselves, that God will
answer your prayers. We know that the Lord often heals the sick; and we
believe all the time that He is able to do so, but will He because we ask
Him to? That is the question, and we are often doubtful about it.
Do you think that I would have let my brother die, if I had the power the
Lord has? Would I have let Jedediah gone behind the veil, had I had that
power? No; though in that I might have gone contrary to the wishes of the
Almighty. For want of the knowledge which the Lord has, if I had power I
might bring injury upon myself and this people.
We must have knowledge pertaining to ourselves, and that knowledge will give
us the key to know how to ask and obtain, and without that knowledge we
cannot have eternal life, which is "to know the only true God, and Jesus
Christ whom He has sent." If we have that knowledge we will know how to ask
so as to obtain, and not ask amiss, we will ask and have our requests
granted. How can we have that knowledge? By applying our hearts to wisdom
and our lives to rectitude; by living as perfectly before God as we know
how; by doing those things that we know to be right, those about which we
have no doubt or dubiety, and never doing that which we are suspicious is
wrong, and then be satisfied and not crave after that which is not for us,
but let it remain in the hands of God. If we can obtain faith and
confidence in ourselves, there is no lack in the power of God; neither is
there any lack in His diligence, for He is always on the alert.
35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God
will give me, if I ask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto
thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness.
Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine
everlasting God. Amen.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 4:35)
In our ignorance and darkness we may be led into error, if we follow our
feelings, as I just now observed might have been the case in regard to
retaining brother Jedediah, as also brother Willard, brother Whitney, and
many others. Had we had the power, would we have parted with Joseph? No,
notwithstanding his work was finished on the earth. Many ideas have been
imbibed and advanced concerning the death of Joseph. It was precisely as
the Lord had decreed, designed, willed and brought about. No power could
have altered it in the least. He had finished his work on the earth. Still
if you and I had had the power without the knowledge, we would have kept
Joseph on this earth, and then he would have failed to perform his mission
in the spirit world.
I learned during the intermission, that several understood brother Heber to
say, in his remarks in the forenoon, that Joseph was resurrected. He did
not say any such thing, but left the sentence with a word understood at each
end of it, or a sort of conjunction disjunctive at each side of it. I
thought at the time that many would understand brother Heber as saying that
Joseph was resurrected, and I take this opportunity to correct that
misunderstanding. Joseph is not resurrected; and if you will visit the
graves you will find the bodies of Joseph and Hyrum yet in their resting
place. Do not be mistaken about that; they will be resurrected in due time.
Jesus had a work to do on the earth. He performed his mission, and then was
slain for his testimony. So it has been with every man who has been
fore-ordained to perform certain important missions. Joseph truly said, "No
power can take away my life, until my work is done." All the powers of
earth and hell could not take his life, until he had completed the work the
Father gave him to do; until that was done, he had to live. When he died he
had a mission in the spirit world, as much so as Jesus had. Jesus was the
first man that ever went to preach to the spirits in prison, holding the
keys of the Gospel of salvation to them. Those keys were delivered to him
in the day and hour that he went into the spirit world, and with them he
opened the door of salvation to the spirits in prison.
~~Brigham Young
(Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.283 - Pg.285, March 15, 1857)

And not very clearly, I might add.

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye
children, but in understanding be men.
In the law it is written, With [men of] other tongues and other lips will I
speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith
the Lord.
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that
believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but
for them which believe.
~~Paul of Tarsus
(1 Corinthians 14:20-22, KJV Bible)
Wherefore, hearken, O my people, which are of the house of Israel, and give
ear unto my words; for because the words of Isaiah are not plain unto you,
nevertheless they are plain unto all those that are filled with the spirit
of prophecy. But I give unto you a prophecy, according to the spirit which
is in me; wherefore I shall prophesy according to the plainness which hath
been with me from the time that I came out from Jerusalem with my father;
for behold, my soul delighteth in plainness unto my people, that they may
learn.
Yea, and my soul delighteth in the words of Isaiah, for I came out from
Jerusalem, and mine eyes hath beheld the things of the Jews, and I know that
the Jews do understand the things of the prophets, and there is none other
people that understand the things which were spoken unto the Jews like unto
them, save it be that they are taught after the manner of the things of the
Jews.
But behold, I, Nephi, have not taught my children after the manner of the
Jews; but behold, I, of myself, have dwelt at Jerusalem, wherefore I know co
ncerning the regions round about; and I have made mention unto my children
concerning the judgments of God, which hath come to pass among the Jews,
unto my children, according to all that which Isaiah hath spoken, and I do
not write them.
But behold, I proceed with mine own prophecy, according to my plainness; in
the which I know that no man can err; nevertheless, in the days that the
prophecies of Isaiah shall be fulfilled men shall know of a surety, at the
times when they shall come to pass.
Wherefore, they are of worth unto the children of men, and he that supposeth
that they are not, unto them will I speak particularly, and confine the
words unto mine own people; for I know that they shall be of great worth
unto them in the last days; for in that day shall they understand them;
wherefore, for their good have I written them.
~~Nephi, son of Lehi
(2 Nephi 25:4-8, the Book of Mormon)
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User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: Purblindness 18 Aug 2007 05:03:11 AM
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:54:21 -0700, "Watchman"
<watchman@artbullough.com> wrote:

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:


<snip>

Get a mind. Get a spine.


The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.


~~James Clerk Maxwell, brother of the Prophets
Art Bulla and Brigham Young and Joseph Smith

It is exactly unexamined feelings which will most likely lead you into
self-deception. You are not preaching Truth; you are merely displaying
that which gives *you* the most satisfaction.


14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be
hid.

Ye are a fucking moron.
Why are you posting this stupidity to an atheist newsgroup?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Purblindness 18 Aug 2007 03:40:24 PM
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:03:11 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:54:21 -0700, "Watchman"
<watchman@artbullough.com> wrote:

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:

Kermit wrote:

Watchman wrote:


<snip>

Get a mind. Get a spine.


The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.


~~James Clerk Maxwell, brother of the Prophets
Art Bulla and Brigham Young and Joseph Smith

It is exactly unexamined feelings which will most likely lead you into
self-deception. You are not preaching Truth; you are merely displaying
that which gives *you* the most satisfaction.


14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be
hid.


Ye are a fucking moron.

Why are you posting this stupidity to an atheist newsgroup?

Your first line answers your second line.
.



User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Purblindness 17 Aug 2007 10:30:58 PM
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:34:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:58:25 -0700, Jong Kim wrote:

some weeks ago I was counseled by the Spirit of the Lord


Hearing voices eh? You know, there are medications for that...

Warfarin in large doses cures it completely and very quickly.
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User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: Purblindness 17 Aug 2007 11:41:12 PM
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:pupcc3lnk8sgfbocd73cp4igjk409ic0s1@4ax.com...

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:34:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:58:25 -0700, Jong Kim wrote:

some weeks ago I was counseled by the Spirit of the Lord


Hearing voices eh? You know, there are medications for that...


Warfarin in large doses cures it completely and very quickly.

I hear cyanide is a quicker cure.
Smiler,
The godless one
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