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User: "words of truth"
Date: 27 Dec 2005 06:05:40 PM
Object: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp
Pushing for Polygamy
Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as
many pretend.
By Megan Basham
Los Angeles Daily News guest editorialist Jonathan Drober recently
echoed the view popular among gay-marriage proponents that polygamy is
a canard of anti-gay-marriage family groups and that legal recognition
of same-sex unions in no way promotes acceptance of plural matrimony.
"No one is seriously posing simultaneous multiple marriages. We plan on
keeping them traditionally serial - one spouse at a time," Drober
wrote.
Perhaps he should have mentioned that to the Arizona and Utah residents
who attended a town-hall meeting concerning two communities in those
states a few days later.
On March 3, Utah attorney general Mark Shurtleff and Arizona attorney
general Terry Goddard held a joint summit in St. George, Utah, to deal
with allegations of abuse, molestation, incest, and fraud coming from
within the twin border cities of Hildale and Colorado City.
Approximately 10,000 members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) reside in the country's largest
polygamist communities and for decades (thanks to a disastrous police
raid in 1953) have remained largely beyond the short appendages of
local law. The government offensive on the area that was then called
Short Creek turned out to be a public-relations nightmare in which the
press depicted the state as a malicious invader that ripped screaming
children from the arms of their parents and separated loving husbands
from their devoted wives. The event was defining enough that even 52
years later Goddard made a point of opening the conference by calling
the Short Creek raid a "shameful mistake" and asking polygamists
present to "let the past be the past." From that time on, both Utah and
Arizona's tacit polygamy policy remained "don't ask, don't tell."
Recently though, reports of child brides giving birth in county
hospitals, absconders seeking legal restitution, high rates of
deformity resulting from incest, and rampant welfare and tax fraud have
become too great for authorities to ignore. Now, as the attorneys
general's offices seek to "build bridges" that will provide victims of
the polygamist system the means to report abuse, they are making it
clear they have no intention of indicting an "alternative lifestyle
choice" even if it is the breeding ground for all manner of crime.
Of the more than 350 people who packed out the Holiday Inn ballroom for
the two-hour public session, a large portion were practicing
polygamists, and Shurtleff made it clear to them that while his office
will investigate underage "spiritual marriages," as the FLDS calls
them, it will not target their personal beliefs by prosecuting multiple
unions involving persons over the age of 18. This assurance came in
spite of the fact that under Utah law plural marriage between
individuals of any age is a felony. For Arizona's part, Goddard echoed
Shurtleff, stating, "We're here to address a very specific focus; we're
not interested in condemning a lifestyle." Yet when both Shurtleff and
Goddard pledged to those present that "they [would] not sit back and
let people commit crimes," one polygamy opponent responded, "I'm
confused, is polygamy not a crime?"
Perhaps it is a crime according to federal law, state law, and many
states' constitutions - but not according to recent court decisions
that necessitate endorsement of any kind of sexual arrangement. What
this woman failed to take into account is that, crime or no, multiple
marriage is now being characterized as a "life choice." And as Carol
Smith of the Women's Religious Liberties Union, a pro-polygamy group,
explained, "You can't discriminate against us because of our life
choices."
Carolyn Spinelli, who moved to the southwest from New Jersey six years
ago, is not a polygamist herself, but feels that a polygamous lifestyle
can be a positive option for some if fanatical FLDS leaders are taken
out of the equation. "If you would just open your mind," she said to
the crowd, "polygamy is a wonderful thing." "Believe it or not there's
a lot of happy women, and there are a lot of them here today," said
another who declined to reveal whether she was one wife in a group of
many.
For the most part, these sentiments were applauded by most of the
single-marriage practitioners in the room, with many claiming they
showed up "to extend a hand of acceptance." Their beef, they said, was
not with the polygamists' lifestyle, but with the strain their multiple
offspring put on the public coffers. One woman offered that polygamy
wouldn't be a problem at all if the states would "cut back all this
welfare and they [the polygamist parents] had to support all these
children."
Other non-FLDS residents looked to pop-culture icons to support their
polygamous neighbors. Drawing the precise correlation gay-marriage
supporters claim is nothing but the hysteria of bigots, one woman
cheerfully used her turn at the mike to assert this bit of common
logic: "If Rosie O'Donnell can adopt children and that's legal, I mean
c'mon. If two consenting adults want to have a family, three consenting
adults, four... That's fine." In fact, the heartiest approval of the
session came when one individual suggested that the best way to deal
with polygamy's legal problems would simply be to decriminalize
polygamy.
On February 3, 2005, former Hildale police officer Rodney Holm argued
to have his 2003 conviction for bigamy and sex with a minor overturned
partly on the basis that it violated his privacy rights. Holm's
attorney Rodney Parker argued that in light of the Supreme Court's
decision striking down sodomy laws, the Utah court should find that
32-year-old Holms had a constitutional right to take his 16-year-old
sister-in-law as his third "spiritual wife." To that effect, Parker's
brief stated, "Current demographics, domestic relations law, and
religious diversity all accommodate plural marriage. Popular departure
from traditional marriage has made our domestic laws on cohabitation
and fornication anachronistic." A decision in this case is expected
shortly.
In another Utah case utilizing Lawrence v. Texas early last year, the
ACLU filed suit on behalf of G. Lee Cook, a Salt Lake City polygamist
who wanted his multiple marriages to be legally as well spiritually
valid. Steven Clarke, the ACLU's Salt Lake City legal director,
publicized his chapter's endorsement of this position by stating,
"Talking to Utah's polygamists is like talking to gays and lesbians who
really want the right to live their lives, and not live in fear because
of whom they love. So certainly that kind of privacy expectation is
something the ACLU is committed to protecting." Ultimately, the court
rejected the reasoning in this case, but the citizens of Hildale and
Colorado City have not. Nor have those on the cutting edge of family
law who seek to undermine marriage by opening it up to same-sex
couples.
David Chambers, a professor of law at the University of Michigan, wrote
in The Michigan Law Review that those who support plural marriage ought
to also support gay marriage. He argued that rather than reinforcing a
two-person definition of marriage, gay marriage would make society more
accepting of further legal changes: "By ceasing to conceive of marriage
as a partnership composed of one person of each sex, the state may
become more receptive to units of three or more." Similarly,
Alternatives to Marriage Project activist and University of Utah law
professor Martha Ertman noted in The Harvard Law Review that legal and
social opposition to polygamy is decreasing and that increasing
acceptance of homosexual partnerships is slowly (and, to her mind,
rightly) resulting in the final destruction of the traditional marriage
ideal.
The primary tactical difference between polygamist communities and
gay-marriage activists is that the former have traditionally neither
sought nor desired government recognition or even government
involvement (with, of course, the exception of public assistance). But
as the ideology of those on the frontlines of the gay-marriage debate
trickles down to cloistered FLDS communities, they too are beginning to
push for unqualified endorsement in the eyes of the law. And why
shouldn't they, now that gay couples are starting to make great strides
in the same direction? They may not be progressive lawyers authoring
treaties in law reviews, but Hildale and Colorado City residents
certainly understand the logic of their case.
- Megan Basham is a freelance writer in Phoenix, Arizona, and a
current Phillips Foundation fellow.
.

User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distantstep away from gay marriage 27 Dec 2005 07:58:01 PM
Wouldn't a trad val girl PREFER to share a husband with money, than
be stuck with a lone impoverished one?
Paul
.

User: "Ike"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 27 Dec 2005 10:00:05 PM
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp


Pushing for Polygamy

Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as
many pretend.

By Megan Basham

I'm not gay, and I don't get what the article is driving at, but I could
sure use another wife, and not just any wife but one that I am in love with.
my wife is in poor health and I have too much work to do. Another wife could
make things a lot easier. As for the article, I don't get it.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 27 Dec 2005 10:43:10 PM
In <95osf.1265$M%4.762@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:


"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp


Pushing for Polygamy

Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as
many pretend.

By Megan Basham

I'm not gay, and I don't get what the article is driving at, but I could
sure use another wife, and not just any wife but one that I am in love
with. my wife is in poor health and I have too much work to do. Another
wife could make things a lot easier. As for the article, I don't get it.

The argument is summed up as:
"Fuckin' faggots are runin' everything!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 12:17:36 AM
In <1135728340.509519.132750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp


Pushing for Polygamy

Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as many
pretend.

You people are such relentless, willful, unrepentant liars.
The truth is that gay marriage can't lead to polygamy any more than
currently existing marriage can lead to polygamy. The fact is, marriage as
a state recognized "union" between two people is an existing institution.
Opening that *existing institution to a class of people is not the same
thing as *creating an institution. In fact, the change is rather trivial.
States and provinces that have changed mostly just have to switch terms
like "husband" and "wife" to "spouse," stick a fork in and your done.
Polygamy is a whole other institution. We'd have to create it from
scratch. We don't have the laws nor traditions nor judicial case law for
polygamy. We're no more likely to create the institution after gay
marriage than we are because heterosexual marriage exists. You might as
well assert that allowing a man and a woman to get married could lead to
polygamy. It's just that stupid.
Probably you're just worried. Under a polygamous system, women can "marry
up." Bill Gates could easily afford a 100 wives and leave you in the cold...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant stepaway from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 08:39:50 AM
Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.
Why do you hate God so much?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
.
User: "Ananias917"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 11:03:44 AM
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?

Your attempts to attack God's word do not hold up to
reason. The fact that the Bible notes events, does not
grant automatic approval. Your logic is like saying
that because children read about serial murderer's
in school, that the books they read approve of serial
murder and that when a "movie of the week" comes
out that tells the story of a serial killer, that the
makers of the movie are saying that they approve
of serial murder. But then again, you knew that
already. (:
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
.
User: "Gregory Gadow"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant stepaway from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 12:08:23 PM
Ananias917 wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?


Your attempts to attack God's word do not hold up to
reason.

Since when has reason EVER been used to explain or uphold the Bible?

The fact that the Bible notes events, does not
grant automatic approval.

And yet, those very same "events" which support a preconceived bigotry or
prejudice always have the weight of God's Final Answer. Funny how that works
out, isn't it.

Your logic

Yes, my logic. Please explain how my literal reading of the Bible is any
different from someone else's literal reading of the Bible. Logically, mind you
:-D
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
.

User: "Chris Johnson"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 12:37:58 PM
Ananias917 wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?


Your attempts to attack God's word do not hold up to
reason. The fact that the Bible notes events, does not
grant automatic approval. Your logic is like saying
that because children read about serial murderer's
in school, that the books they read approve of serial
murder and that when a "movie of the week" comes
out that tells the story of a serial killer, that the
makers of the movie are saying that they approve
of serial murder. But then again, you knew that
already. (:

Do you really equate polygamy with serial murder?
Honestly, while I don't see it happening, as long as all parties in the
marriage are consenting adults, I don't see any reason to prohibit
marriage between more than two people. I think the biggest problem
we've seen with polygamous marriages is that they often involved people
that were neither consenting nor adults.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 11:53:03 AM
In <m6h5r1lr481hjlc8riuuj21mbbfc1objl1@4ax.com>, Ananias917
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
spake thusly:

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God.
Jacob had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of
kings and most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament
procscription to be husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops
(see I Timothy 3:2) and deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very
clearly allows ordinary believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?


Your attempts to attack God's word do not hold up to reason. The fact
that the Bible notes events, does not grant automatic approval. Your
logic is like saying that because children read about serial murderer's in
school, that the books they read approve of serial murder and that when a
"movie of the week" comes out that tells the story of a serial killer,
that the makers of the movie are saying that they approve of serial
murder. But then again, you knew that already. (:

And where does the OT prohibit polygamy?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
.

User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 11:32:29 AM
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:03:44 GMT, in alt.atheism
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in
<m6h5r1lr481hjlc8riuuj21mbbfc1objl1@4ax.com>:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?


Your attempts to attack God's word do not hold up to
reason. The fact that the Bible notes events, does not
grant automatic approval. Your logic is like saying
that because children read about serial murderer's
in school, that the books they read approve of serial
murder and that when a "movie of the week" comes
out that tells the story of a serial killer, that the
makers of the movie are saying that they approve
of serial murder. But then again, you knew that
already. (:

Where is one wife required?
.


User: "Ananias917"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 11:04:05 AM
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:39:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:
P.S. Goodbye now. :)

Polygamy has the imprimateur of the Holy Bible, the Very Word of God. Jacob
had two wives, David had several and Solomon -- that wisest of kings and
most blessed by God -- had hundreds. The New Testament procscription to be
husband to only one wife is places ONLY on bishops (see I Timothy 3:2) and
deacons (see I Timothy 3:12.) The Bible very clearly allows ordinary
believers to have many wives.

Why do you hate God so much?

--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
.


User: "Bill"

Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 27 Dec 2005 06:22:35 PM
There is no logical basis for preventing consenting adults from polygamous
relationships including the responsibilities that go with it.
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135728340.509519.132750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp


Pushing for Polygamy

Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as
many pretend.

By Megan Basham


Los Angeles Daily News guest editorialist Jonathan Drober recently
echoed the view popular among gay-marriage proponents that polygamy is
a canard of anti-gay-marriage family groups and that legal recognition
of same-sex unions in no way promotes acceptance of plural matrimony.
"No one is seriously posing simultaneous multiple marriages. We plan on
keeping them traditionally serial - one spouse at a time," Drober
wrote.

Perhaps he should have mentioned that to the Arizona and Utah residents
who attended a town-hall meeting concerning two communities in those
states a few days later.

On March 3, Utah attorney general Mark Shurtleff and Arizona attorney
general Terry Goddard held a joint summit in St. George, Utah, to deal
with allegations of abuse, molestation, incest, and fraud coming from
within the twin border cities of Hildale and Colorado City.
Approximately 10,000 members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) reside in the country's largest
polygamist communities and for decades (thanks to a disastrous police
raid in 1953) have remained largely beyond the short appendages of
local law. The government offensive on the area that was then called
Short Creek turned out to be a public-relations nightmare in which the
press depicted the state as a malicious invader that ripped screaming
children from the arms of their parents and separated loving husbands
from their devoted wives. The event was defining enough that even 52
years later Goddard made a point of opening the conference by calling
the Short Creek raid a "shameful mistake" and asking polygamists
present to "let the past be the past." From that time on, both Utah and
Arizona's tacit polygamy policy remained "don't ask, don't tell."

Recently though, reports of child brides giving birth in county
hospitals, absconders seeking legal restitution, high rates of
deformity resulting from incest, and rampant welfare and tax fraud have
become too great for authorities to ignore. Now, as the attorneys
general's offices seek to "build bridges" that will provide victims of
the polygamist system the means to report abuse, they are making it
clear they have no intention of indicting an "alternative lifestyle
choice" even if it is the breeding ground for all manner of crime.

Of the more than 350 people who packed out the Holiday Inn ballroom for
the two-hour public session, a large portion were practicing
polygamists, and Shurtleff made it clear to them that while his office
will investigate underage "spiritual marriages," as the FLDS calls
them, it will not target their personal beliefs by prosecuting multiple
unions involving persons over the age of 18. This assurance came in
spite of the fact that under Utah law plural marriage between
individuals of any age is a felony. For Arizona's part, Goddard echoed
Shurtleff, stating, "We're here to address a very specific focus; we're
not interested in condemning a lifestyle." Yet when both Shurtleff and
Goddard pledged to those present that "they [would] not sit back and
let people commit crimes," one polygamy opponent responded, "I'm
confused, is polygamy not a crime?"

Perhaps it is a crime according to federal law, state law, and many
states' constitutions - but not according to recent court decisions
that necessitate endorsement of any kind of sexual arrangement. What
this woman failed to take into account is that, crime or no, multiple
marriage is now being characterized as a "life choice." And as Carol
Smith of the Women's Religious Liberties Union, a pro-polygamy group,
explained, "You can't discriminate against us because of our life
choices."

Carolyn Spinelli, who moved to the southwest from New Jersey six years
ago, is not a polygamist herself, but feels that a polygamous lifestyle
can be a positive option for some if fanatical FLDS leaders are taken
out of the equation. "If you would just open your mind," she said to
the crowd, "polygamy is a wonderful thing." "Believe it or not there's
a lot of happy women, and there are a lot of them here today," said
another who declined to reveal whether she was one wife in a group of
many.

For the most part, these sentiments were applauded by most of the
single-marriage practitioners in the room, with many claiming they
showed up "to extend a hand of acceptance." Their beef, they said, was
not with the polygamists' lifestyle, but with the strain their multiple
offspring put on the public coffers. One woman offered that polygamy
wouldn't be a problem at all if the states would "cut back all this
welfare and they [the polygamist parents] had to support all these
children."

Other non-FLDS residents looked to pop-culture icons to support their
polygamous neighbors. Drawing the precise correlation gay-marriage
supporters claim is nothing but the hysteria of bigots, one woman
cheerfully used her turn at the mike to assert this bit of common
logic: "If Rosie O'Donnell can adopt children and that's legal, I mean
c'mon. If two consenting adults want to have a family, three consenting
adults, four... That's fine." In fact, the heartiest approval of the
session came when one individual suggested that the best way to deal
with polygamy's legal problems would simply be to decriminalize
polygamy.

On February 3, 2005, former Hildale police officer Rodney Holm argued
to have his 2003 conviction for bigamy and sex with a minor overturned
partly on the basis that it violated his privacy rights. Holm's
attorney Rodney Parker argued that in light of the Supreme Court's
decision striking down sodomy laws, the Utah court should find that
32-year-old Holms had a constitutional right to take his 16-year-old
sister-in-law as his third "spiritual wife." To that effect, Parker's
brief stated, "Current demographics, domestic relations law, and
religious diversity all accommodate plural marriage. Popular departure
from traditional marriage has made our domestic laws on cohabitation
and fornication anachronistic." A decision in this case is expected
shortly.

In another Utah case utilizing Lawrence v. Texas early last year, the
ACLU filed suit on behalf of G. Lee Cook, a Salt Lake City polygamist
who wanted his multiple marriages to be legally as well spiritually
valid. Steven Clarke, the ACLU's Salt Lake City legal director,
publicized his chapter's endorsement of this position by stating,
"Talking to Utah's polygamists is like talking to gays and lesbians who
really want the right to live their lives, and not live in fear because
of whom they love. So certainly that kind of privacy expectation is
something the ACLU is committed to protecting." Ultimately, the court
rejected the reasoning in this case, but the citizens of Hildale and
Colorado City have not. Nor have those on the cutting edge of family
law who seek to undermine marriage by opening it up to same-sex
couples.

David Chambers, a professor of law at the University of Michigan, wrote
in The Michigan Law Review that those who support plural marriage ought
to also support gay marriage. He argued that rather than reinforcing a
two-person definition of marriage, gay marriage would make society more
accepting of further legal changes: "By ceasing to conceive of marriage
as a partnership composed of one person of each sex, the state may
become more receptive to units of three or more." Similarly,
Alternatives to Marriage Project activist and University of Utah law
professor Martha Ertman noted in The Harvard Law Review that legal and
social opposition to polygamy is decreasing and that increasing
acceptance of homosexual partnerships is slowly (and, to her mind,
rightly) resulting in the final destruction of the traditional marriage
ideal.

The primary tactical difference between polygamist communities and
gay-marriage activists is that the former have traditionally neither
sought nor desired government recognition or even government
involvement (with, of course, the exception of public assistance). But
as the ideology of those on the frontlines of the gay-marriage debate
trickles down to cloistered FLDS communities, they too are beginning to
push for unqualified endorsement in the eyes of the law. And why
shouldn't they, now that gay couples are starting to make great strides
in the same direction? They may not be progressive lawyers authoring
treaties in law reviews, but Hildale and Colorado City residents
certainly understand the logic of their case.



- Megan Basham is a freelance writer in Phoenix, Arizona, and a
current Phillips Foundation fellow.

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Title: Re: Pushing for Polygamy: Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage 28 Dec 2005 06:58:27 PM
words of truth wrote:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/basham200504180745.asp


Pushing for Polygamy

Multiple marriage isn't such a distant step away from gay marriage as
many pretend.

How does the issue of gender affect the issue of number?
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