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"Fred Stone" |
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18 Jun 2004 09:15:54 AM |
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Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on several
occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its
soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received
such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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22 Jun 2004 12:08:01 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
When the newspapers and the "mainstream media" clearly distort
what is just as clearly available from the *source*,
....like the now famous "16 words" in Bush's state of the union
speech, neo-con hypocrites don't even notice.
When it comes to Iraq/Al-Qaida ties that even the CIA and Pentagon
have denouced as without basis though, neo-cons feign outrage over
a media that fails to spread their progapanda quite so enthusiastically.
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| User: "johac" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:56:03 PM |
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In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years - since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
23 Jun 2004 06:39:10 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Jun 2004 09:10:32 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259gqz
rw.asp
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "johac" |
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25 Jun 2004 12:29:37 AM |
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In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259gqz
rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use
this as evidence of a link.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Jun 2004 07:27:56 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:37 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259gqz
rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use this as
evidence of a link.
Not to mention that "names that might be similar" isn't quite the "we know
for sure" that was being sold to us to get us into a war.
Contra the yipping coming from the neo-con camp, it's just NOT enough that
they have "kinda sorta maybe things that could be possible" when they sold
us a ***** WAR.
They should be able to put the evidence on the table and have everybody
say "I'll be damned." Not whine "well the names are sorta kinda the same!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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25 Jun 2004 07:40:17 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.06.25.12.27.56.36869@hoo.com-amikchi:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:37 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir
Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the
9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to
al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years
-
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259
gqz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use
this as evidence of a link.
Not to mention that "names that might be similar" isn't quite the "we
know for sure" that was being sold to us to get us into a war.
Contra the yipping coming from the neo-con camp, it's just NOT enough
that they have "kinda sorta maybe things that could be possible" when
they sold us a ***** WAR.
They should be able to put the evidence on the table and have
everybody say "I'll be damned." Not whine "well the names are sorta
kinda the same!"
Given the facts that accompany that name with the "airport greeter",
I'll be damned if it's not either the same guy or one who was doing a
job for both the Iraqi government AND al Queda.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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26 Jun 2004 01:47:22 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.27.56.36869@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:37 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259gqz
rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use this as
evidence of a link.
Not to mention that "names that might be similar" isn't quite the "we know
for sure" that was being sold to us to get us into a war.
Contra the yipping coming from the neo-con camp, it's just NOT enough that
they have "kinda sorta maybe things that could be possible" when they sold
us a ***** WAR.
They should be able to put the evidence on the table and have everybody
say "I'll be damned." Not whine "well the names are sorta kinda the same!"
BushCo's case for war is in tatters. All that they have left is to
throw as many baseless unsupported accusations, allegations, and
inferences up against the wall as possible in hopes that one of them
will stick.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
25 Jun 2004 07:38:20 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir
Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the
9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to
al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use
this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
26 Jun 2004 01:37:25 AM |
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In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir
Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the
9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to
al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question of
identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can use
this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will go out
and find some some day.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
26 Jun 2004 07:05:18 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-
18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the
United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil, President
Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by
the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for
years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will go out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
27 Jun 2004 03:00:42 AM |
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In article <Xns951452484792Cfstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-
18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the
United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil, President
Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by
the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for
years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will go out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
If it were found and its contents verified by photograph, analysis by
experts, and verified by independent disinterested neutral sources, of
course I would believe it.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
27 Jun 2004 06:35:18 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
4985DD.01004227062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951452484792Cfstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@
207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|
06-
18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the
United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil, President
Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and
before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information
and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he
told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by
the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no
ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's
been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help
from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had
a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb
and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for
years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the
question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration
can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will go
out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
If it were found and its contents verified by photograph, analysis by
experts, and verified by independent disinterested neutral sources, of
course I would believe it.
No, you'd claim that the photos were faked, the experts were liars and
the sources were neither independent nor disinterested. You've already
done that in the past.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
27 Jun 2004 11:28:44 PM |
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In article <Xns95154D31B29CEfstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
4985DD.01004227062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951452484792Cfstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@
207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|
06-
18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the
United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil, President
Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and
before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special
services several times received such information
and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he
told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by
the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had no
ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's
been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help
from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they had
a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in bomb
and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on the
talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public for
years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the
question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration
can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any possible
doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will go
out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
If it were found and its contents verified by photograph, analysis by
experts, and verified by independent disinterested neutral sources, of
course I would believe it.
No, you'd claim that the photos were faked, the experts were liars and
the sources were neither independent nor disinterested. You've already
done that in the past.
Only when they were.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
28 Jun 2004 08:34:38 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-233690.21284427062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95154D31B29CEfstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
4985DD.01004227062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951452484792Cfstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article
<Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004
@news.giganews.com
:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@
207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014
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18-
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ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned
the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil,
President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and
before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian
special services several times received such
information
and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he
told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week
by the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had
no
ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's
been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help
from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they
had
a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in
bomb
and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on
the talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public
for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the
question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration
can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any
possible doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will
go
out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
If it were found and its contents verified by photograph, analysis
by experts, and verified by independent disinterested neutral
sources, of course I would believe it.
No, you'd claim that the photos were faked, the experts were liars
and the sources were neither independent nor disinterested. You've
already done that in the past.
Only when they were.
In your obviously biased opinion.
Oh, by the way, *now* they *are* clearly shouting from the rooftops. Do
you believe the claims of Saddam-al Queda connections or have you
decided on another standard?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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29 Jun 2004 12:19:35 AM |
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In article <Xns9516616D23850fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-233690.21284427062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95154D31B29CEfstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
4985DD.01004227062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951452484792Cfstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-86A843.23372525062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns951357E21596Afstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-89D553.22293624062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9511678483E88fstone69@207.69.154.202>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns95114DD957A43fstone69@207.69.154.205:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
D9305E.21560222062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95104910E99F5fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-4C970A.22155421062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns950F534CDCE69fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-E7D11D.22033720062004@news.giganews.com:
In article
<Xns950D625D064F8fstone69@207.69.154.206>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004
@news.giganews.com
:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@
207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014
|top|
06-
18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned
the United
States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein
planned "terrorist attacks" on its soil,
President Vladimir Putin
said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and
before
the
start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian
special services several times received such
information
and
passed it on to their American colleagues," he
told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week
by the 9/11 Commission's finding that Saddam had
no
ties
to al-Quaeda
And you suck that lie-by-omission even after it's
been
dealt
with.
There was no meaningful contact. Osama wanted help
from
Saddam
and
Saddam said no. That seems to be the extent of it.
Only in *specific* terms of the 9/11 attack.
Otherwise you have to ignore the evidence that they
had
a
long-
term
cooperation on weapons development and training in
bomb
and
poison
making - which was emphasised yet again in public on
the talking-heads Sunday programs.
What evidence?
The same evidence that has been circulating in public
for years -
since
the Clinton administration.
Which has been discredited:
For example:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8978562.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-
uscia223863038jun22,0,6
059318.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
Inadequate, and does not address all the issues.
More on this...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/259g
qz rw.asp
But even the Standard article expresses doubts. Until the
question
of identity is cleared up, I don't see how the administration
can
use this as evidence of a link.
The standard of evidence is not and cannot be "Beyond any
possible doubt".
I would settle for credibility. Maybe this administration will
go
out
and find some some day.
You wouldn't admit to it anyway. Hell, if they dug up a whole WMD
weapons factory tomorrow in Iraq you'd claim they planted it.
If it were found and its contents verified by photograph, analysis
by experts, and verified by independent disinterested neutral
sources, of course I would believe it.
No, you'd claim that the photos were faked, the experts were liars
and the sources were neither independent nor disinterested. You've
already done that in the past.
Only when they were.
In your obviously biased opinion.
Look who's talking.
Oh, by the way, *now* they *are* clearly shouting from the rooftops. Do
you believe the claims of Saddam-al Queda connections or have you
decided on another standard?
'They' can shout all they want. Let's see the evidence.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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19 Jun 2004 11:53:50 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in message news:<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com>...
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on several
occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its
soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received
such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war, why
wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
I agree, if he had put this information before the public before the
war I may have been more supportive of invading Iraq and ousting
Hussein. This of course, doesn't put the lying scumbag in any better
light. He lied to us about WMD, and he lies about how he feels that
there should be a seperation of church and state when he panders to
the religous reich, and attempts to initiate his "Faith Based"
programs.
Roger
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