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Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
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ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on several
occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its
soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received
such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
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Fred Stone
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Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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18 Jun 2004 10:46:04 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
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ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on several
occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its
soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received
such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Headline should read: "Putin Admits To Manipulating US Into Attacking Iraq"
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18 Jun 2004 11:10:41 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:cav2la$hj@library2.airnews.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204...
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Headline should read: "Putin Admits To Manipulating US Into Attacking
Iraq"
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract in
the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their southern
flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Russell Stewart" |
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18 Jun 2004 08:07:16 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract in
the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their southern
flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not to mention leaving us dangerously overextended (and therefore
weakened) militarily, as well as thoroughly discredited and mistrusted
in the eyes of even our strongest allies. The end result of which is
that our degree of influence in international politics is seriously
damaged.
Not quite so stupid after all, perhaps.
Not that I think this was actually the Russians' intention. That
plan would be more than a little risky. But if you're going to
look at it this way, you should consider all of the facts.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2004 08:37:05 AM |
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Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net> wrote in
news:cb03k5$6c4$1@iruka.swcp.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract
in the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their
southern flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not to mention leaving us dangerously overextended (and therefore
weakened) militarily, as well as thoroughly discredited and mistrusted
in the eyes of even our strongest allies. The end result of which is
that our degree of influence in international politics is seriously
damaged.
Yeah, so damaged that we got a unanimous vote from the UN Security
council on the Iraqi transitional government.
Not quite so stupid after all, perhaps.
Not that I think this was actually the Russians' intention. That
plan would be more than a little risky. But if you're going to
look at it this way, you should consider all of the facts.
Likewise, I'm sure.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Russell Stewart" |
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19 Jun 2004 10:48:26 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net> wrote in
news:cb03k5$6c4$1@iruka.swcp.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract
in the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their
southern flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not to mention leaving us dangerously overextended (and therefore
weakened) militarily, as well as thoroughly discredited and mistrusted
in the eyes of even our strongest allies. The end result of which is
that our degree of influence in international politics is seriously
damaged.
Yeah, so damaged that we got a unanimous vote from the UN Security
council on the Iraqi transitional government.
What does that prove, other than that everyone wants this occupation
to be over as soon as possible?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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19 Jun 2004 11:10:25 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:48:26 -0600, Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net>
wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net> wrote in
news:cb03k5$6c4$1@iruka.swcp.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract
in the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their
southern flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not to mention leaving us dangerously overextended (and therefore
weakened) militarily, as well as thoroughly discredited and mistrusted
in the eyes of even our strongest allies. The end result of which is
that our degree of influence in international politics is seriously
damaged.
Yeah, so damaged that we got a unanimous vote from the UN Security
council on the Iraqi transitional government.
What does that prove, other than that everyone wants this occupation
to be over as soon as possible?
In the US they don't mention the concessions the US made to get that
vote. Instead they talk about the French etc finally seeing things the
US way. Internationally they're digging themselves into an erer deeper
hole all the time.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2004 11:01:35 AM |
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Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net> wrote in
news:cb1n8c$mkf$1@iruka.swcp.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Russell Stewart <user@nospam.net> wrote in
news:cb03k5$6c4$1@iruka.swcp.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract
in the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their
southern flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not to mention leaving us dangerously overextended (and therefore
weakened) militarily, as well as thoroughly discredited and
mistrusted in the eyes of even our strongest allies. The end result
of which is that our degree of influence in international politics is
seriously damaged.
Yeah, so damaged that we got a unanimous vote from the UN Security
council on the Iraqi transitional government.
What does that prove, other than that everyone wants this occupation
to be over as soon as possible?
About the same that your own rhetoric proves.
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Fred Stone
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Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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19 Jun 2004 07:48:58 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:10:41 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:cav2la$hj@library2.airnews.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204...
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Headline should read: "Putin Admits To Manipulating US Into Attacking
Iraq"
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract in
the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their southern
flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
A whole lot of US forces smack on their southern flank?
Would you care to calculate the distance from northern Iraq to the
Caucasus? Do note that in between there is this country called Turkey,
which is a NATO member.
Plus note Afghanistan, which actually is smack on Russia's southern
flank, it borders several former SU states, in fact. The US could have
built up a considerable position there if not for the Iraq war.
So yeah, it does make sense. And you're talking nonsense.
(Not that I think Putin had the intention to manipulate the US into
attacking Iraq, but that's another matter)
--
We give meaning to each other
DJ Nozem aa#1465
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2004 08:38:00 AM |
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DJ Nozem <TheFUrules@berlin.de> wrote in
news:0gb8d0thtt295sdr509dlkqeku1lkhkhda@4ax.com:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:10:41 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in
news:cav2la$hj@library2.airnews.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204...
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of
the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Headline should read: "Putin Admits To Manipulating US Into
Attacking
Iraq"
They opposed the attack in the UN, and lost a lucrative oil contract
in
the process. Plus putting whole lot of US forces smack on their
southern
flank. Yeah, that makes sense.
A whole lot of US forces smack on their southern flank?
Would you care to calculate the distance from northern Iraq to the
Caucasus? Do note that in between there is this country called Turkey,
which is a NATO member.
Close enough.
Plus note Afghanistan, which actually is smack on Russia's southern
flank, it borders several former SU states, in fact. The US could have
built up a considerable position there if not for the Iraq war.
:-) That's two.
So yeah, it does make sense. And you're talking nonsense.
(Not that I think Putin had the intention to manipulate the US into
attacking Iraq, but that's another matter)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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18 Jun 2004 03:17:21 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
More from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/index.html
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian intelligence services warned Washington
several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks
against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said.
The warnings were provided after September 11, 2001 and before the start
of the Iraqi war, Putin said Friday.
The planned attacks were targeted both inside and outside the United
States, said Putin, who made the remarks during a visit to Kazakhstan.
However, Putin said there was no evidence that Saddam's regime was
involved in any terrorist attacks.
"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to
the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian
intelligence several times received ... information that official organs
of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the
United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian
locations," Putin said.
He said the information was given to U.S. intelligence officers and that
U.S. President George W. Bush expressed his gratitude to a top Russian
intelligence official.
"This information was indeed passed on through our partner channels to
our American colleagues and, moreover, President Bush had an opportunity
and used this opportunity to personally thank the leader of one of the
Russian special services for this information, which he considered to be
very important," Putin said.
Putin made his comments in response to a question from reporters seeking
clarification on similar statements leaked by an unnamed intelligence
officer in a dispatch by the Interfax news agency...
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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19 Jun 2004 02:55:44 AM |
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In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on several
occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist attacks" on its
soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received
such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told
reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war, why
wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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19 Jun 2004 09:56:08 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war, why
wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?" I'm not
sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems to be coming
forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So far the reaction has
been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know
anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No such
information was communicated from Russia through the State Department, he
said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department official,
who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_russia_us_putin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir Putin's
claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned attacks on the United
States after the September 11, 2001 strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate it? Who
knows?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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19 Jun 2004 10:48:03 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
news:pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this
bit of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the
war, why wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If
backed by evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a
preemptive strike. I wonder why the silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?" I'm
not sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems to be
coming forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So far the
reaction has been "huh? what? when?"
Probably because it was given to the CIA, as described in the article,
not to some diplomat at the State Department. We all know the rivalries
and territorialities that prevail in Washington.
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=
5460304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know
anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No
such information was communicated from Russia through the State
Department, he said.
Note the qualifiers.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department
official, who asked not to be named."
Anonymous nobodies. Reuters isn't exactly a newspaper that I would
expect to confirm anything positive about the Bush administration, even
if they *did* get confirmation.
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_russi
a_us_putin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir
Putin's claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned attacks on
the United States after the September 11, 2001 strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate it?
Who knows?
So the Pentagon and the State Department talk to each other now? Some
"white house" source didn't either confirm or deny? Gee, how
significant.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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20 Jun 2004 11:57:00 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war, why
wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?" I'm not
sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems to be coming
forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So far the reaction has
been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know
anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No such
information was communicated from Russia through the State Department, he
said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department official,
who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_russia_us_pu
tin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir Putin's
claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned attacks on the United
States after the September 11, 2001 strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate it? Who
knows?
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course according to Woodward's book, the
State Department was often the last to know. Still, why wouldn't they
have been told by now? I think that there is something odd going on with
this.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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21 Jun 2004 02:10:28 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:57:00 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-3078EC.21570020062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war,
why wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?" I'm
not sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems to be
coming forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So far the
reaction has been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know
anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No such
information was communicated from Russia through the State Department,
he said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department
official, who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_russia_us_pu
tin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir Putin's
claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned attacks on the
United States after the September 11, 2001 strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate it? Who
knows?
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course according to Woodward's book, the
State Department was often the last to know. Still, why wouldn't they have
been told by now? I think that there is something odd going on with this.
Funny the White House is being so coy. They claim to have evidence but
won't show it to us. They're adamant they won't buttress their claims?
Ooookay...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
22 Jun 2004 12:17:15 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.21.19.10.27.537053@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:57:00 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-3078EC.21570020062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-2004::08:05
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States on
several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned "terrorist
attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start of the
military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times
received such information and passed it on to their American
colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and this bit
of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this before the war,
why wasn't it presented in his arguments to invade Iraq? If backed by
evidence, it would have made a persuasive argument for a preemptive
strike. I wonder why the silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?" I'm
not sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems to be
coming forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So far the
reaction has been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not know
anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed on. No such
information was communicated from Russia through the State Department,
he said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department
official, who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_russia_us
_pu
tin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir Putin's
claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned attacks on the
United States after the September 11, 2001 strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate it? Who
knows?
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course according to Woodward's book, the
State Department was often the last to know. Still, why wouldn't they have
been told by now? I think that there is something odd going on with this.
Funny the White House is being so coy. They claim to have evidence but
won't show it to us. They're adamant they won't buttress their claims?
Ooookay...
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and are
grasping at straws.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
22 Jun 2004 06:11:48 AM |
|
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <pan.2004.06.21.19.10.27.537053@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:57:00 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-3078EC.21570020062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and
this bit of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this
before the war, why wasn't it presented in his arguments to
invade Iraq? If backed by evidence, it would have made a
persuasive argument for a preemptive strike. I wonder why the
silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?"
I'm not sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems
to be coming forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So
far the reaction has been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=
546
0304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not
know anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed
on. No such information was communicated from Russia through the
State Department, he said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department
official, who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_r
ussia_us _pu
tin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir
Putin's claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned
attacks on the United States after the September 11, 2001
strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate
it? Who knows?
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course according to Woodward's book,
the State Department was often the last to know. Still, why
wouldn't they have been told by now? I think that there is
something odd going on with this.
Funny the White House is being so coy. They claim to have evidence
but won't show it to us. They're adamant they won't buttress their
claims?
Ooookay...
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and are
grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
22 Jun 2004 11:58:45 PM |
|
|
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <pan.2004.06.21.19.10.27.537053@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:57:00 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-3078EC.21570020062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.19.14.56.07.376849@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:55:44 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-064ADB.00554419062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns950C686CD9E07fstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/410014|top|06-18-
2004::08:0
5
|reuters.html
ASTANA, Kazakhstan (Reuters) - Russia warned the United States
on several occasions that Iraq's Saddam Hussein planned
"terrorist attacks" on its soil, President Vladimir Putin said
Friday.
"After the events of September 11, 2001, and before the start
of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services
several times received such information and passed it on to
their American colleagues," he told reporters...
Interesting. Bush gets his butt kicked this week by the 9/11
Commission's finding that Saddam had no ties to al-Quaeda and
this bit of information suddenly appears. If Dubya knew this
before the war, why wasn't it presented in his arguments to
invade Iraq? If backed by evidence, it would have made a
persuasive argument for a preemptive strike. I wonder why the
silence.
Maybe because nobody received it?
I was reading today that State responded with "what information?"
I'm not sure what's going on with Putin but nobody over here seems
to be coming forward with "oh yes, they gave us information." So
far the reaction has been "huh? what? when?"
Here's a Reuter's story:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=
546
0304
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K55212B98
"State Department spokesman Adam Ereli told reporters he did not
know anything about the information that Putin said Russia passed
on. No such information was communicated from Russia through the
State Department, he said.
"'Everybody's scratching their heads,' said one State Department
official, who asked not to be named."
And this is interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040618/pl_afp/iraq_r
ussia_us _pu
tin_040618223204
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A24256B98
The White House adamantly... didn't bother to confirm?
"The White House did not corroborate Russian President Vladimir
Putin's claim that Moscow told Washington that Iraq planned
attacks on the United States after the September 11, 2001
strikes."
Dunno. Maybe the "information" got lost in the mail? The dog ate
it? Who knows?
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course according to Woodward's book,
the State Department was often the last to know. Still, why
wouldn't they have been told by now? I think that there is
something odd going on with this.
Funny the White House is being so coy. They claim to have evidence
but won't show it to us. They're adamant they won't buttress their
claims?
Ooookay...
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and are
grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
23 Jun 2004 06:40:49 AM |
|
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
|
|
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| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
25 Jun 2004 12:29:52 AM |
|
|
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
|
|
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
25 Jun 2004 07:16:37 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've been
getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind of fun to
watch. <g>
I remember months ago, saying (offline) that Bushco better watch out. When
sycophants turn on you, it's just *not pretty...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
26 Jun 2004 01:35:23 AM |
|
|
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've been
getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind of fun to
watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
I remember months ago, saying (offline) that Bushco better watch out. When
sycophants turn on you, it's just *not pretty...
Indeed.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
.
|
|
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
26 Jun 2004 11:20:33 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've
been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind of
fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new "decency" act
passed in part because of people like Bono saying the F word on TV when
he, himself, used the F word?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it sure
wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
Things get any more partisan, it's going to look like the USSR around here.
I remember months ago, saying (offline) that Bushco better watch out.
When sycophants turn on you, it's just *not pretty...
Indeed.
And, boy, the claws have come out...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
.
|
|
|
| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
26 Jun 2004 12:46:38 PM |
|
|
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote in
news:pan.2004.06.26.16.20.32.597042@lid_email.no:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies
and are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White
House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New
York Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa
_pol l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls.
They've been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat
is kind of fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new "decency"
act passed in part because of people like Bono saying the F word on TV
when he, himself, used the F word?
Was Cheney live on TV in prime time?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it sure
wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
Things get any more partisan, it's going to look like the USSR around
here.
Like this newsgroup, comrade?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Putin Says Russia Warned U.S. on Saddam |
27 Jun 2004 11:32:57 PM |
|
|
In article <pan.2004.06.26.16.20.32.597042@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've
been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind of
fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new "decency" act
passed in part because of people like Bono saying the F word on TV when
he, himself, used the F word?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it sure
wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
I just had to get this quote in somewhere:
"Governor Bush and I are also absolutely determined that [we] will
restore a tone of civility and decency to the debate in Washington."
Candidate ***** Cheney, Aug. 4, 2000; during a campaign speech.
Right *****.
Things get any more partisan, it's going to look like the USSR around here.
I remember months ago, saying (offline) that Bushco better watch out.
When sycophants turn on you, it's just *not pretty...
Indeed.
And, boy, the claws have come out...
MrrrrROWWWWWWWW! <Slash!>
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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28 Jun 2004 07:55:57 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:32:57 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-2DD5A6.21325727062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.26.16.20.32.597042@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies
and are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White
House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New
York Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've
been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind
of fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new "decency"
act passed in part because of people like Bono saying the F word on TV
when he, himself, used the F word?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it sure
wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
I just had to get this quote in somewhere:
"Governor Bush and I are also absolutely determined that [we] will restore
a tone of civility and decency to the debate in Washington."
Candidate ***** Cheney, Aug. 4, 2000; during a campaign speech.
Apparently that had a hidden "for you people" in there.
(It's very neo-con that the elite doesn't have rules to abide by, they
make the rules *you have to live by)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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29 Jun 2004 12:11:44 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.06.28.12.55.55.123701@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:32:57 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-2DD5A6.21325727062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.26.16.20.32.597042@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies
and are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White
House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New
York Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_po
l
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls. They've
been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times spat is kind
of fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to go F-
themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new "decency"
act passed in part because of people like Bono saying the F word on TV
when he, himself, used the F word?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it sure
wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
I just had to get this quote in somewhere:
"Governor Bush and I are also absolutely determined that [we] will restore
a tone of civility and decency to the debate in Washington."
Candidate ***** Cheney, Aug. 4, 2000; during a campaign speech.
Apparently that had a hidden "for you people" in there.
(It's very neo-con that the elite doesn't have rules to abide by, they
make the rules *you have to live by)
"Do as we say, not as we do."
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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29 Jun 2004 07:13:20 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-913468.22114428062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <pan.2004.06.28.12.55.55.123701@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:32:57 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-2DD5A6.21325727062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.26.16.20.32.597042@lid_email.no>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <inv@lid_email.no> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:35:23 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-447284.23352325062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <pan.2004.06.25.12.16.36.125655@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our
hero johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own
lies and are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White
House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the
White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the
New York Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/ira
q_usa_po l
l_dc_6t
And, actually, the Times appears to have begun to grow balls.
They've been getting uppity with the VP I see. The Cheney/Times
spat is kind of fun to watch. <g>
So is Cheney going to tell the editorial board of the times to
go F- themselves too?
Speaking of which, didn't Cheney just preside over that new
"decency" act passed in part because of people like Bono saying
the F word on TV when he, himself, used the F word?
And is now claiming it was all justified and acceptable. When it
sure wasn't when Kerry used the F word.
I just had to get this quote in somewhere:
"Governor Bush and I are also absolutely determined that [we] will
restore a tone of civility and decency to the debate in
Washington."
Candidate ***** Cheney, Aug. 4, 2000; during a campaign speech.
Apparently that had a hidden "for you people" in there.
(It's very neo-con that the elite doesn't have rules to abide by,
they make the rules *you have to live by)
"Do as we say, not as we do."
Oh boo hoo, Cheney said a bad word, he's *such* a fucking hypocrite!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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25 Jun 2004 07:24:10 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:29:52 -0700 in episode
<jhachm-7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com> we saw our hero johac
<jhachm@ixpresremove.com>:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
Speaking of polls, I see Bush has lost his lead in the "terrorism"
category now:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Polls/iraq_election_040621.html
"In a hazardous turn of fortune for Bush, Democrat John Kerry now runs
evenly with him in trust to handle terrorism; Bush had led by 13 points on
this issue a month ago, and by 21 points the month before."
Doesn't lead significantly on any issue:
"But Kerry is scoring against Bush elsewhere as well, running ahead in
trust to handle five of nine issues tested in this poll, from taxes to
education to health care; Bush doesn't lead significantly in any of them."
He's losing on the "trust" front:
"And personally, while Americans broadly see Bush as more consistent, they
see Kerry as more honest and trustworthy, by a 13-point margin..."
Not to mention:
"Evaluating Bush's overall job performance, 47 percent of Americans now
approve while 51 percent disapprove..."
The only issues Bush *had were Iraq and terrorism. For months, the polls
showed broad support for Kerry in almost every other category. Now his two
remaining issues are collapsing.
Rove must be on ulcer medication by now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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25 Jun 2004 07:44:53 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
7A22F0.22295224062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns95114E2193300fstone69@207.69.154.205>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-8ECB07.21584522062004@news.giganews.com:
In article <Xns9510493677BCBfstone69@207.69.154.204>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-1DF7C4.22171521062004@news.giganews.com:
<...>
Personally, i think that they are drowning in their own lies and
are grasping at straws.
Somebody is grasping at straws but it's not the White House.
Have you seen any polls lately? It's panic time at the White House.
Have you seen any news shows lately? It's panic time at the New York
Times.
I don't think so:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040625/us_nm/iraq_usa_pol
l_dc_6t
You must not have seen the News Hour or Meet the Press criticizing the
NYT and the LA Times for their misleading headlines. This wasn't FOX
News complaining about libruls, this was the premier "mainstream"
outlets saying mean things about their fellow ideologues at the papers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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