"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"EagleEye" <eagleeye@omega.org> wrote in message
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Just a note of trivia:
Boaty still has the same signature he has had since the twentieth
century. After all these years, it occuredn't to him to insert a
semicolon where there is a comma.

It's a shame he rarely posts here anymore because he was like a

of novelty item, like those glasses one can scrunch yet they shall
return to their original shape.

I have a question regarding the signature. Means "died for our

that Yeeha died because of our sins, or that he died in order to
affect future sins in some way?

If what the christers say is true, the Jesus character didn't die

our

sins, he died to get something he wanted from us.

To be loved.

And you don't find that the slightest bit sick and twisted? I sure as

do.

At least you are admitting that the Jesus character didn't die for US.

He also died for us too, to break the bonds of sin and evil.

See my other
recent post for a bit of an explanation.

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In article <5kzic.100079$Gp4.2495832@news20.bellglobal.com>,
eagleeye@omega.org says...

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Iain" <iain_inkster@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Just a note of trivia:
Boaty still has the same signature he has had since the twentieth
century. After all these years, it occuredn't to him to insert a
semicolon where there is a comma.

It's a shame he rarely posts here anymore because he was like a

of novelty item, like those glasses one can scrunch yet they shall
return to their original shape.

I have a question regarding the signature. Means "died for our

that Yeeha died because of our sins, or that he died in order to
affect future sins in some way?

If what the christers say is true, the Jesus character didn't die

our

sins, he died to get something he wanted from us.

To be loved.

Dinner, a movie, and flowers always gets me "loved".

I know it seems like a strange way to try to love and to be loved.

But when you look closely at the whole concept of sin, evil, and

in relation to the law of life and love, Civility, it is possible and
conceivable, to begin to "grok" its meaning and its truth in relation to

individual historical participant (you and I) as a victim of circumstance
and of the "sins of the father", and as a causal free will agent of

change, and of social justice, with almost unimaginable potential, just
waiting to be unleashed.

When we escape the web of evil, and begin to consciously tread it under
foot, and instead grab up the lines (of historical causation) harnessing

God, the energies of love, then we are really onto something, in terms of
making this world a better place.

As a point of radical and trasformative forgiveness, the cross then

a great springboard of historical progress in the face of evil. Since all
evil is relative to the victim and since Christ being all good, became the
embodiment of all evil on the cross, then evil or the relativity of evil
terminates at the cross, according to Jesus' own interpretation of the
highest possible expression of the law being mercy, and not sacrifice. So

made the final sacrifice, and turned and said to us then "*I* ask for

and NOT sacrifice". He is the high priest sacrificing himself in the fire

the divided middle, who threaded the paradox of the historical

of the duality of good and evil. Jesus set a new standard of mercy and
forgiveness then with the cross, in relation to all sin. Thus he died for
the sins of the many. He frees us from the bondage to sin, and from the

of lies which are a degenerative disorder which is distributed
generationally.

Jesus' sacrifice, given who he was, and given the overall largest possible
and imaginable historical framework to which He himself stood in relation
TO, was the most astounding act of Grace, ever conceived.

He is the good doctor of sin and evil.

On his salvation turns the whole universe, really, at the end of

where all that is left is Truth, Mercy, Goodness and Light, Life and Love.

To understand or to fully "grok" the cross of Christ is to have Christ
himself place the crown on your own head, no matter how undeserving you

of it.

You then, are compelled to "go and do likewise".

There really is a great principal of truth and justice illuminated in the
image/framework of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

It really IS an image of love.

Unfathonable, merciful and graceful, and wonderful, love.

Who would want to throw THAT away?

If what the christers say is true, the Jesus character didn't die
for our sins, he died to get something he wanted from us.

To be loved.

Dinner, a movie, and flowers always gets me "loved".

I know it seems like a strange way to try to love and to be loved.

But when you look closely at the whole concept of sin, evil, and victimhood
in relation to the law of life and love, Civility, it is possible and
conceivable, to begin to "grok" its meaning and its truth in relation to the
individual historical participant (you and I) as a victim of circumstance
and of the "sins of the father", and as a causal free will agent of progress
change, and of social justice, with almost unimaginable potential, just
waiting to be unleashed.

When we escape the web of evil, and begin to consciously tread it under
foot, and instead grab up the lines (of historical causation) harnessing for
God, the energies of love, then we are really onto something, in terms of
making this world a better place.

As a point of radical and trasformative forgiveness, the cross then becomes
a great springboard of historical progress in the face of evil. Since all
evil is relative to the victim and since Christ being all good, became the
embodiment of all evil on the cross, then evil or the relativity of evil
terminates at the cross, according to Jesus' own interpretation of the
highest possible expression of the law being mercy, and not sacrifice. So he
made the final sacrifice, and turned and said to us then "*I* ask for mercy,
and NOT sacrifice". He is the high priest sacrificing himself in the fire of
the divided middle, who threaded the paradox of the historical contradiction
of the duality of good and evil. Jesus set a new standard of mercy and
forgiveness then with the cross, in relation to all sin. Thus he died for
the sins of the many. He frees us from the bondage to sin, and from the web
of lies which are a degenerative disorder which is distributed
generationally.

Jesus' sacrifice, given who he was, and given the overall largest possible
and imaginable historical framework to which He himself stood in relation
TO, was the most astounding act of Grace, ever conceived.

He is the good doctor of sin and evil.

On his salvation turns the whole universe, really, at the end of judgement,
where all that is left is Truth, Mercy, Goodness and Light, Life and Love.

To understand or to fully "grok" the cross of Christ is to have Christ
himself place the crown on your own head, no matter how undeserving you are
of it.

You then, are compelled to "go and do likewise".

There really is a great principal of truth and justice illuminated in the
image/framework of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

It really IS an image of love.

Unfathonable, merciful and graceful, and wonderful, love.

Who would want to throw THAT away?