Religions > Atheism > Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!)
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17 Apr 2006 02:44:50 PM |
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Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun, principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary? Likewise, the
Sun is moving through the Galaxy at around 580,000 miles per hour and is
moving even faster through intergalactic space. Would it be correct to say
that the gravitational pull of the entire Galaxy is holding me in this chair
as the Sun makes a "roughly circular" path around the center of the Galaxy?
Likewise, the pull of the Local Group of Galaxies is also "holding me down"
as I type this?
How does this related to Atheism, you ask? Well, consciousness is similar
to the Earth's motion through space. We do not sense it, yet it is there.
No need to postulate immaterial entities for physical reality. But, please,
help me develop this idea further!
Thanks.
Don
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 03:27:41 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000 mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
If the gravity of the Sun was at all signiicant. We would be heavier at
night
and lighter in the day. Since gravity descreases with the square of radius,
the Sun's gravity has a negligible effect on folks here. The force due to
the Earth's gravity for a 100kg person is 980N. The force due to the
Sun's gravity is about 0.5N
Likewise, the Sun is moving through the Galaxy at around 580,000 miles per
hour and is moving even faster through intergalactic space. Would it be
correct to say that the gravitational pull of the entire Galaxy is holding
me in this chair as the Sun makes a "roughly circular" path around the
center of the Galaxy? Likewise, the pull of the Local Group of Galaxies is
also "holding me down" as I type this?
Nope...see above.
How does this related to Atheism, you ask? Well, consciousness is similar
to the Earth's motion through space. We do not sense it, yet it is there.
No need to postulate immaterial entities for physical reality. But,
please, help me develop this idea further!
I think it's dead in the water.
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:10:39 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000 mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the gravity
of the Eath.
If the gravity of the Sun was at all signiicant. We would be heavier at
night
and lighter in the day. Since gravity descreases with the square of
radius,
the Sun's gravity has a negligible effect on folks here. The force due to
the Earth's gravity for a 100kg person is 980N. The force due to the
Sun's gravity is about 0.5N
Okay.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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17 Apr 2006 06:14:52 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000 mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
No we're not. The downward force of our asses is met with an equal
and opposite force by our chairs. Hopefully.
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness,too!) |
17 Apr 2006 06:24:17 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000 mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the gravity
of the Eath.
That's correct, and the reason why satellites are launched near the
equator and in an Eastward direction. It takes less energy to achieve
orbit that way due to the greater initial inertial energy.
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness,too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:50:11 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000 mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the gravity
of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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17 Apr 2006 05:50:40 PM |
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"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 11:27:40 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, "Donald E. Flood"
<Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4ZU0g.902053$x96.859563@attbi_s72>
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Thanks for teminding me.
It time that mine acquired a "Flood".
I think I shall put you in the "Dribbling Idiots and Liars" section,
if that's OK.
--
Michael Gray
Naivety is a gift for the infant, but disastrous for the adult.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 06:14:16 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Can't you fathom that you'll fall if you are not standing on something?
Ie: if you jump then you'll accelerate towards the center
of the earth. Until you hit the ground.
This is really basic stuff.
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness,too!) |
17 Apr 2006 06:28:58 PM |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Can't you fathom that you'll fall if you are not standing on something?
Ie: if you jump then you'll accelerate towards the center
of the earth. Until you hit the ground.
This is really basic stuff.
That would depend upon how from the earth you are and your velocity.
Satellites are perpetually falling towards the earth due to gravity, but
their velocity (inertia actually) counteracts their earthward
acceleration. If their orbit is low enough, then the atmosphere will
reduce their velocity and they would eventually fall to earth.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 06:39:57 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:28:58 GMT, Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Can't you fathom that you'll fall if you are not standing on something?
Ie: if you jump then you'll accelerate towards the center
of the earth. Until you hit the ground.
This is really basic stuff.
That would depend upon how from the earth you are and your velocity.
Satellites are perpetually falling towards the earth due to gravity, but
their velocity (inertia actually) counteracts their earthward
acceleration. If their orbit is low enough, then the atmosphere will
reduce their velocity and they would eventually fall to earth.
.... Yeah, and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump
his ***** a-hoppin'!
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness,too!) |
17 Apr 2006 07:37:30 PM |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:28:58 GMT, Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Can't you fathom that you'll fall if you are not standing on something?
Ie: if you jump then you'll accelerate towards the center
of the earth. Until you hit the ground.
This is really basic stuff.
That would depend upon how from the earth you are and your velocity.
Satellites are perpetually falling towards the earth due to gravity, but
their velocity (inertia actually) counteracts their earthward
acceleration. If their orbit is low enough, then the atmosphere will
reduce their velocity and they would eventually fall to earth.
... Yeah, and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump
his ***** a-hoppin'!
I suppose that means something to you, but I can assure you that it's
nonsense to everyone else.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 08:33:21 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:37:30 GMT, Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:28:58 GMT, Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:50:40 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Martin" <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
news:44440d84$0$8340$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yo2dnfify8WiZ97ZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:SeS0g.901851$x96.27409@attbi_s72...
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around 24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off" into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally, and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The reason is because of inertia. While we are travelling at 1000
mph
(at the equator), we don't feel any force since there would have to be a
change in the velocity (i.e. acceleration)...f=ma.
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the
gravity of the Eath.
only if you jump! Somone else said "read a text book"
Okay, another idiot for the "kill file".
Can't you fathom that you'll fall if you are not standing on something?
Ie: if you jump then you'll accelerate towards the center
of the earth. Until you hit the ground.
This is really basic stuff.
That would depend upon how from the earth you are and your velocity.
Satellites are perpetually falling towards the earth due to gravity, but
their velocity (inertia actually) counteracts their earthward
acceleration. If their orbit is low enough, then the atmosphere will
reduce their velocity and they would eventually fall to earth.
... Yeah, and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump
his ***** a-hoppin'!
I suppose that means something to you, but I can assure you that it's
nonsense to everyone else.
poor baby
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:34:55 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:10:39 GMT, Donald E. Flood <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
But, we are accelerating towards the center of the Earth, due to the gravity
of the Eath.
Not if you're standing on something.
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 08:22:51 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun, principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No.
Acceleration due to the gravity of the Earth
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%28gravitational+constant%29+%28mass+of+earth%29+%2F+%28radius+of+earth%29%5E2&btnG=Search
G M_Earth / R_Earth^2 = 9.8 m/s^2
Acceleration due to the spinning of the Earth
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%282++pi++%28radius+of+earth%29+%2F+day%29%5E2+%2F+%28radius+of+earth%29&btnG=Search
(2 pi R_Earth / day)^2 / R_Earth = 0.034 m/2^2
Acceleration due to the revolution of the Earth around the Sun
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%282+pi+A.U.+%2F+year%29%5E2+%2F+%281+A.U.%29&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search
(2 pi A.U. / year)^2 / A.U. = 0.0059 m/s^2
You can see from these numbers that the gravity for us gets weaker and
weaker.
Likewise, the
Sun is moving through the Galaxy at around 580,000 miles per hour and is
moving even faster through intergalactic space. Would it be correct to say
that the gravitational pull of the entire Galaxy is holding me in this chair
as the Sun makes a "roughly circular" path around the center of the Galaxy?
Acceleration due to the solar system's revolution around the galaxy
center
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%28580%2C000+miles+per+hour%29%5E2+%2F+7.9+kpc&btnG=Search
(580,000 miles per hour)^2 / 7.9 kpc = 2.8E-10 m/s^2
Likewise, the pull of the Local Group of Galaxies is also "holding me down"
as I type this?
Whatcha think?
How does this related to Atheism, you ask? Well, consciousness is similar
to the Earth's motion through space. We do not sense it, yet it is there.
No need to postulate immaterial entities for physical reality. But, please,
help me develop this idea further!
How do we not sense consciousness? Isn't consciousness what allows us
to sense in the first place? I can't parse your logic.
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 03:17:17 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun, principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
Likewise, the
Sun is moving through the Galaxy at around 580,000 miles per hour and is
moving even faster through intergalactic space. Would it be correct to say
that the gravitational pull of the entire Galaxy is holding me in this chair
as the Sun makes a "roughly circular" path around the center of the Galaxy?
Nope.
Likewise, the pull of the Local Group of Galaxies is also "holding me down"
as I type this?
Again, nope. The primary gravitational influence on you is the earth.
How does this related to Atheism, you ask? Well, consciousness is similar
to the Earth's motion through space.
Um... no, no it really isn't much like it at all. One is motion, the
other is a useful abstraction of neural activity.
We do not sense it, yet it is there.
We can sense both consciousness and the motion of the earth, if we have
the correct tools to do so. But the tools used are dissimilar, and I
really don't get what you're saying.
No need to postulate immaterial entities for physical reality. But, please,
help me develop this idea further!
Idea?
eyelessgame
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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17 Apr 2006 03:27:38 PM |
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"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?) Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 03:31:03 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71...
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore, we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond
the escape velocity of the Earth.
Tangential velocity gets you nowhere relative to the Earth. Literally.
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:09:21 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:K96dnQK17eSUZt7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71...
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore, we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond
the escape velocity of the Earth.
Tangential velocity gets you nowhere relative to the Earth. Literally.
Okay, I believe you!
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:33:28 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
We are traveling 68K mph relative to the Sun. Note the latter clause.
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
What you're missing is that all motion is relative. We are not
moving at anything close to the Earth's escape velocity *relative to
the Earth*. Except for the planet's rotation carrying us along,
relative to Earth we are not moving at all. The common motion of us
and the Earth relative to the sun, the galactic center, and the center
of the supercluster is all irrelevant.
About escape velocity and force of gravity: from a point on the surface
of the Earth, the sun's escape velocity is substantially higher than
the Earth's, but that's not at all directly proportional to the force
of gravity exerted at this location -- it's related to the shape of the
gravitational field. The sun's gravitational field is much less steep,
out here, than the Earth's, meaning that you have to move a lot further
to weaken it by a given amount -- thus even though the sun's force of
gravity here is weaker than the Earth's, it has a higher escape
velocity.
eyelessgame
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 05:57:17 PM |
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"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145309608.730600.59060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
We are traveling 68K mph relative to the Sun. Note the latter clause.
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
What you're missing is that all motion is relative. We are not
moving at anything close to the Earth's escape velocity *relative to
the Earth*. Except for the planet's rotation carrying us along,
relative to Earth we are not moving at all. The common motion of us
and the Earth relative to the sun, the galactic center, and the center
of the supercluster is all irrelevant.
About escape velocity and force of gravity: from a point on the surface
of the Earth, the sun's escape velocity is substantially higher than
the Earth's, but that's not at all directly proportional to the force
of gravity exerted at this location -- it's related to the shape of the
gravitational field. The sun's gravitational field is much less steep,
out here, than the Earth's, meaning that you have to move a lot further
to weaken it by a given amount -- thus even though the sun's force of
gravity here is weaker than the Earth's, it has a higher escape
velocity.
eyelessgame
Read the article that I linked to above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
The escape velocity of the Sun at the location of the Earth/Moon is 42.1
km/s, which is greater than the Earth's escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. At
68,000 mph relative to the Sun, we are moving well below the Sun's escape
velocity but will above the Earth's escape velocity.
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| User: "AlanS" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
18 Apr 2006 05:51:39 AM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
Read the article that I linked to above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
The escape velocity of the Sun at the location of the Earth/Moon is 42.1
km/s, which is greater than the Earth's escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. At
68,000 mph relative to the Sun, we are moving well below the Sun's escape
velocity but will above the Earth's escape velocity.
Just relax and escape from the earth then. You won't be missed, I
assure you.
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
18 Apr 2006 09:17:14 AM |
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--
Come visit us at the IIDB:
http://iidb.org/vbb/index.php
The BEST Atheist website!!
"AlanS" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
Read the article that I linked to above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
The escape velocity of the Sun at the location of the Earth/Moon is 42.1
km/s, which is greater than the Earth's escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. At
68,000 mph relative to the Sun, we are moving well below the Sun's escape
velocity but will above the Earth's escape velocity.
Just relax and escape from the earth then. You won't be missed, I
assure you.
Neither will you...welcome to my "block senders" list. (Outlook Express
makes this SO easy!)
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| User: "AlanS" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
18 Apr 2006 11:45:57 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
Just relax and escape from the earth then. You won't be missed, I
assure you.
Neither will you...welcome to my "block senders" list. (Outlook Express
makes this SO easy!)
Oh no! Not the "block senders" list! I'm crushed...
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
19 Apr 2006 12:56:38 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:45:57 GMT, AlanS <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
- Refer: <o1gb421rqkptiadt1qaur1g5rlqar0qf6f@4ax.com>
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote:
Just relax and escape from the earth then. You won't be missed, I
assure you.
Neither will you...welcome to my "block senders" list. (Outlook Express
makes this SO easy!)
Oh no! Not the "block senders" list! I'm crushed...
He might as well save time, and put me on it too.
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 11:16:45 PM |
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Donald E. Flood wrote:
Read the article that I linked to above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
The escape velocity of the Sun at the location of the Earth/Moon is 42.1
km/s, which is greater than the Earth's escape velocity of 11.2 km/s. At
68,000 mph relative to the Sun, we are moving well below the Sun's escape
velocity but will above the Earth's escape velocity.
We are not moving "well above the Earth's escape velocity." We are *not
moving relative to the Earth at all*. That's why we don't fly off the
Earth. The velocity around the Sun doesn't matter, because the
You-Earth system is moving as a whole together around the Sun -- so
that velocity matters *not at all* to the attraction between you and
the earth.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 03:46:03 PM |
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On the auspictious date of Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:27:38 GMT, Donald E.
Flood said unto the multitude in message-id
<_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71>:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?) Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
So what your velocity relative to the earth?
--
"Do unto others as you would have then do unto you".
- attrib: Pauline Réage.
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 04:08:39 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:2nu74213s5pnl9b12j5v7cq2kbm4rfb648@4ax.com...
On the auspictious date of Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:27:38 GMT, Donald E.
Flood said unto the multitude in message-id
<_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71>:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
So what your velocity relative to the earth?
Well, the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun as it moves around the Sun
in its orbit. We should fly off into space, except for the gravitational
pull of the Sun (which is what I am asking here -- okay, this is new for
me!) I suppose that if I was launched into space away from the Earth, I
would continue to orbit the Sun independent of the Earth (provided that my
velocity relative to the Sun was below the Sun's escape velocity.)
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 05:43:54 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in news:rtT0g.901935$x96.800927
@attbi_s72:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:2nu74213s5pnl9b12j5v7cq2kbm4rfb648@4ax.com...
On the auspictious date of Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:27:38 GMT, Donald E.
Flood said unto the multitude in message-id
<_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71>:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour, and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not "fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
So what your velocity relative to the earth?
Well, the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun as it moves around the Sun
in its orbit.
You are accellerating towards the Sun at the same rate at which the Earth
does. A feather and a cannonball fall at exactly the same rate due to
gravity. There is a small tidal effect but that is much weaker than the
gravity of the Earth itself. It's because of the inverse square law. The Sun
although much nore massive than the earth is also much more distant.
Klazmon
<SNIP>
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| User: "Donald E. Flood" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 05:48:50 PM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns97A96D2B95EBAKlazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in
news:rtT0g.901935$x96.800927
@attbi_s72:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:2nu74213s5pnl9b12j5v7cq2kbm4rfb648@4ax.com...
On the auspictious date of Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:27:38 GMT, Donald E.
Flood said unto the multitude in message-id
<_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71>:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour,
and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just
under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not
"fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the
Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the escape
velocity of the Earth.
So what your velocity relative to the earth?
Well, the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun as it moves around the
Sun
in its orbit.
You are accellerating towards the Sun at the same rate at which the Earth
does. A feather and a cannonball fall at exactly the same rate due to
gravity. There is a small tidal effect but that is much weaker than the
gravity of the Earth itself. It's because of the inverse square law. The
Sun
although much nore massive than the earth is also much more distant.
Klazmon
You did not answer my question, but, nice try. (You can stop now, by the
way!)
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Question about the Earth's motion through space (and, consciousness, too!) |
17 Apr 2006 06:55:24 PM |
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"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in
news:mXU0g.902049$x96.227334@attbi_s72:
"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns97A96D2B95EBAKlazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"Donald E. Flood" <Jehanne@mchsi.com> wrote in
news:rtT0g.901935$x96.800927
@attbi_s72:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:2nu74213s5pnl9b12j5v7cq2kbm4rfb648@4ax.com...
On the auspictious date of Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:27:38 GMT, Donald E.
Flood said unto the multitude in message-id
<_SS0g.104737$oL.73121@attbi_s71>:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1145305037.254112.201230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Donald E. Flood wrote:
Everyone,
At the equator, the Earth turns at just over 1,000 miles per hour,
and
traveling around the Sun, the Earth is going even faster at just
under
68,000 miles per hour. Now, the "escape velocity" of the Earth is
around
24,000 miles per hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Now, would it be correct to say that the reason why we all do not
"fly
off"
into space would be due to the gravitational pull of the Sun,
principally,
and that the gravitational pull of the Earth is secondary?
No. The gravitational pull of the Earth is what keeps you on the
Earth.
But, our "tangential velocity" is 68,000 miles per hour, since we are
going
in a circle (roughly speaking) around the Sun. (True or false?)
Therefore,
we should "fly off" into space since we are going well beyond the
escape velocity of the Earth.
So what your velocity relative to the earth?
Well, the Earth is accelerating towards the Sun as it moves around the
Sun
in its orbit.
You are accellerating towards the Sun at the same rate at which the
Earth does. A feather and a cannonball fall at exactly the same rate
due to gravity. There is a small tidal effect but that is much weaker
than the gravity of the Earth itself. It's because of the inverse
square law. The Sun
although much nore massive than the earth is also much more distant.
Klazmon
You did not answer my question, but, nice try. (You can stop now, by
the way!)
You mean you didn't understand the answer. Probably par for the course
giving your dribblings in the this thread.
Klazmon.
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