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"The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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22 Feb 2004 06:21:00 PM |
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Question For Atheists? |
Why is it that you do not believe in God?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Question For Atheists? |
27 Feb 2004 07:58:08 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
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The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
Why is it that you do not believe in God?
Because there is no evidence to support the claim that a god, or gods,
exist.
--
"There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher-
the clergyman." [Victor Hugo]
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
+You can't say that because you have not looked at all evidence in the
world. That isn't possible.
+
you've missed the point once again... keep trying - maybe one day you'll
get
it.
+You can't say that because you have not looked at all evidence in the
world. That isn't possible.
+
This is why most atheists fall into the "weak" atheist category:
that is, they don't make the positive assertion that no gods exist.
Instead, we state that in the absence of evidence for the existence of a
god or gods, we withhold belief in such beings.
It's still remotely possible, I suppose, there are some dinosaurs
left somewhere, or that unicorns actually exist. After all, we
haven't explored every square inch of the world's surface, and
with dinosaurs, at least, there is very compelling evidence
that they did actually exist at one time.
Still, the possibility is so remote as to be virtually discountable.
With gods, there is simply no evidence to date which suggests
their existence.......
.......whilst at the same time ther is abundant evidence that thousands of them
were dreamed up by man
While we don't know everything about the world
or the universe, we know a lot about it, and no evidence has turned
up to date, certainly not of any kind of personal deity who interacts
with nature and/or humanity on a regular basis. After a while,
the absence of evidence does indeed begin to resemble the evidence
of absence. While not, perhaps, absolutely conclusive, such a lack
is highly suggestive, and so until some evidence comes along, I won't
worry about whether gods exist, any more than I worry about
the existence of unicorns or manticores.
Best, Marc
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Question For Atheists? |
22 Feb 2004 06:45:39 PM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
Why is it that you do not believe in God?
Because there is no evidence to support the claim that a god, or gods,
exist.
--
"There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher-
the clergyman." [Victor Hugo]
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
+You can't say that because you have not looked at all evidence in the
world. That isn't possible.
+
you've missed the point once again... keep trying - maybe one day you'll
get
it.
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? If you have nothing to
offer, then you haven't thought your position through... and if you haven't
done that, then can you honestly lay claim to the title 'atheist'?
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: Question For Atheists? |
22 Feb 2004 07:08:19 PM |
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
--
TOP TEN SIGNS YOU'RE A (CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALIST
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of
gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when
someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists
say that people evolved from other life forms, but you
have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were
created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem
believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the
"atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even
flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all
the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" --
including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and
Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have
no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated
Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little
loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth
(4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with
believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of
generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet
with the exception of those who share your beliefs --
though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend
Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and
physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot
rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be
all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it
comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be
evidence that prayer works. And you think that the
remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and
agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church
history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:11:58 PM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am going to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:18:55 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Jistanass: T Schmechtig and his secret NG
Tom: Jistanass, living up to his name.
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:22:36 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
+Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and this kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and
for those who disagree with it.+
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:39:52 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am
going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
Painful: +Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and
this >kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems
to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they
then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total
annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents
and
for those who disagree with it.+
Tom: Atheism teaches nothing, you imbecile. It is just an absence of belief
in gods. The only harm that has come to society over the last couple of
thousand years has been at the hands of the "religious".
You see we don't have to speculate on the ruling ability of Christians as
that has been demonstrated over the years and it has been brutal.
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:44:59 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept,
within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes
the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks
would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am
going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid
losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
Painful: +Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and
this >kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It
seems
to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power,
with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they
then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total
annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents
and
for those who disagree with it.+
Tom: Atheism teaches nothing, you imbecile. It is just an absence of
belief
in gods. The only harm that has come to society over the last couple of
thousand years has been at the hands of the "religious".
You see we don't have to speculate on the ruling ability of Christians as
that has been demonstrated over the years and it has been brutal.
+With that being said,are you a strong atheist or a weak one?+
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| User: "bob young" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:22:07 AM |
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Tom wrote:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am
going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
Painful: +Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and
this >kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems
to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they
then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total
annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents
and
for those who disagree with it.+
Tom: Atheism teaches nothing, you imbecile. It is just an absence of belief
in gods. The only harm that has come to society over the last couple of
thousand years has been at the hands of the "religious".
You see we don't have to speculate on the ruling ability of Christians as
that has been demonstrated over the years and it has been brutal.
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,
[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
The good Cardinal was wrong on both counts!
Bob
Hong Kong
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| User: "Virgil" |
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23 Feb 2004 06:50:07 PM |
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In article <4039D347.B2F7C66D@netvigator.com>,
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
Tom wrote:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am
going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
Painful: +Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and
this >kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems
to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they
then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total
annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents
and
for those who disagree with it.+
Tom: Atheism teaches nothing, you imbecile. It is just an absence of belief
in gods. The only harm that has come to society over the last couple of
thousand years has been at the hands of the "religious".
You see we don't have to speculate on the ruling ability of Christians as
that has been demonstrated over the years and it has been brutal.
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,
[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
The good Cardinal was wrong on both counts!
Bob
Hong Kong
Actually, the Cardinal's statement can then be regarded as logically
true, since the amount of error in each of the two statements is the
same, namely none.
The intent of his statement was clearly wrong but its actual form was,
accidently, correct. Unless one accepts the virgin birth.
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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| Title: Re: Question For Atheists? |
23 Feb 2004 09:14:22 AM |
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bob young wrote:
[snip]
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,
[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
The good Cardinal was wrong on both counts!
Bob
Hong Kong
Actually, if you want to get really, really picky about it, the
good Cardinal's statement is perfectly true.
Best, Marc
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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22 Feb 2004 08:19:29 PM |
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This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig.
+Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and this kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.
Ummm... you DID notice that the above came from the well-known fundie
liar jistASSking, didn't you? ;)
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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23 Feb 2004 07:47:31 PM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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And for those who asked for this again.
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would not
see what he has done.
Thore squirms out of his many predicaments by taking the cowards way out. I
am going to
make sure as many people as possible know that he habitually changes the
reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
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23 Feb 2004 07:53:12 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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Jistanass: And for those who asked for this again.
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
Tom: Jistanass, living up to his name.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Feb 2004 12:08:57 PM |
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In article <vBc_b.197$884.58271@news.uswest.net>, The Church of The Painful
Truth says...
snip
+Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and this kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and
for those who disagree with it.+
Pot - Kettle - Black.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "bob young" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:20:08 AM |
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The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:yrc_b.51389$Hy3.24272@edtnps89...
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bjsa$1gta9i$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an
undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been
fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would
not
see what he has done.
This is the only reply that will be given to Thore Schmechtig. I am going
to
make sure as many people as
possible know that he habitually changes the reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
+Above is a classic demonstration of the atheists weak mind and this kind of
statement is quite common in atheist circles.Are these the statements of
tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to
me that if the atheists who expressed the above quotes were in power, with
their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then
either imprison the 'offenders' or legislate complete and total annihilation
of all things religious? Who knows, but it is something to ponder.Does
atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and
for those who disagree with it.+
Eighty percent of the Japanese population have no religion and are, to all
intents and purposes, atheists. I see nothing in their lifestyle remotely
similar to the picture you paint above. I know, I have been there. Are there
any atheistic judges in your country? I'll bet there are!
Bob
Hong kong
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:19:04 PM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
+But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
<Snip circular rhetoric>
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| User: "Tom" |
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22 Feb 2004 07:29:54 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:ayc_b.196$884.57919@news.uswest.net...
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bjsa$1gta9i$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
Painful: +But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept,
within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
<Snip circular rhetoric>
Tom: I would settle for "god' doing one thing without the help of man. You
see, Painful, "god" as something in common with every god that has ever
existed. He can't do anything without the help of man.
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| User: "bob young" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:48:07 AM |
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Tom wrote:
"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message
news:ayc_b.196$884.57919@news.uswest.net...
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bjsa$1gta9i$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
Painful: +But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept,
within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
<Snip circular rhetoric>
Tom: I would settle for "god' doing one thing without the help of man. You
see, Painful, "god" as something in common with every god that has ever
existed. He can't do anything without the help of man.
....and of course, it should very much be the other way round
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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22 Feb 2004 08:21:48 PM |
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But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Gee, fundie Johnson, what happened? Afraid that just about everyone
killfiled you by now, so you have to get yourself a second identity? ;)
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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23 Feb 2004 07:47:54 PM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bo3o$1f7t3q$2@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
T Schmechtig and his secret NG
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore then smugly asks them "where is your reply" A lot of folks would not
see what he has done.
Thore squirms out of his many predicaments by taking the cowards way out. I
am going to
make sure as many people as possible know that he habitually changes the
reply to NG to avoid losing
another debate. I don't intend to stop anytime soon. Unless of
course you can get him to say he will stop changing the reply to NG.
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| User: "Tom" |
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23 Feb 2004 07:54:31 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:e3y_b.54401$Hy3.43194@edtnps89...
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bo3o$1f7t3q$2@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept,
within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible
evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Jistanass: T Schmechtig and his secret NG
Tom: Jistanass, living up to his name, What was the reason you wouldn't
enter into an organized debate on T.O. :-)?
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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23 Feb 2004 01:16:49 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:19:04 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bjsa$1gta9i$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
+But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
Some proven miracles would do well. For example, a person missing a
limp. That miraculously grows back in a few minutes. Not a big deal
for a god that created the universe.
Or something very easy, for such a god: move the stars so that they
spell a few nice quotes from the bible. Or appear on all radio and tv
stations everywhere in the world at the same moment.
Plenty of miracles that wouldn't even work up a sweat in a minor
deity.
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| User: "bob young" |
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23 Feb 2004 04:51:08 AM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:19:04 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1bjsa$1gta9i$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say?
Now all he has to say is "Things for which there is plausible evidence"
and you're the loser. Can tou stomach that, hmmm? ;)
+But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
Some proven miracles would do well. For example, a person missing a
limp. That miraculously grows back in a few minutes. Not a big deal
for a god that created the universe.
Or something very easy, for such a god: move the stars so that they
spell a few nice quotes from the bible. Or appear on all radio and tv
stations everywhere in the world at the same moment.
Plenty of miracles that wouldn't even work up a sweat in a minor
deity.
.....appear in any church by the alter in a radiant light and speak in
tongues, Not second hand, but for real, just give the TV camera men time to
arrive and take pictures. After this there will be no more debate.
I'm not too optimistic though!
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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24 Feb 2004 12:55:14 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:19:04 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
+But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
Oh, that's easy. Anything objective would be nice. How about any
appearance of God in the Bible which can't be conclusively proven
false? How about a demonstrable miracle? How about ANYTHING?
Christians complain nobody takes their evidence seriously, but then
can't actually produce any evidence when it's called for.
How about you tell us what kind of evidence you can actually produce
and we'll let you know?
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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24 Feb 2004 08:56:44 PM |
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"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.Henderson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:19:04 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
+But, if a person asked you what kind of things you'd accept, within
reason, as evidence for God, what would you say? +
Oh, that's easy. Anything objective would be nice. How about any
appearance of God in the Bible which can't be conclusively proven
false? How about a demonstrable miracle? How about ANYTHING?
Christians complain nobody takes their evidence seriously, but then
can't actually produce any evidence when it's called for.
How about you tell us what kind of evidence you can actually produce
and we'll let you know?
Ok to
1.All things in the bible have not been conlusively proven faults.
2.Parde Pio,Lourdes,Fatima...to name but a few
Where is your evidence? Do you have anything that has not been carefuly
refuted - and I certainly do not mean rejected
out of hand. If you can find anything that has not already been refuted or
anything that contradicts the points made I would be very
interested to hear them
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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25 Feb 2004 12:21:18 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:56:44 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
Ok to
1.All things in the bible have not been conlusively proven faults.
Every instance in the Bible where God supposedly interacted with man,
every case where it's possible to evaluate the claims, the Bible has
been proven conclusively false. The only places where the Bible holds
up are the Jewish historical elements. You're wrong, try again.
2.Parde Pio,Lourdes,Fatima...to name but a few
None of which have been validated. Just because someone sees Jesus in
the fungus in their bathtub doesn't make it a miracle. Try again.
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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25 Feb 2004 08:12:07 PM |
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"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.Henderson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1spp30982koceg5iqbsoonsjoql5savuo2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:56:44 -0700, "The Church of The Painful Truth"
<Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote:
Ok to
1.All things in the bible have not been conlusively proven faults.
Every instance in the Bible where God supposedly interacted with man,
every case where it's possible to evaluate the claims, the Bible has
been proven conclusively false. The only places where the Bible holds
up are the Jewish historical elements. You're wrong, try again.
2.Parde Pio,Lourdes,Fatima...to name but a few
None of which have been validated. Just because someone sees Jesus in
the fungus in their bathtub doesn't make it a miracle. Try again.
Fatima Revisited:
"Suddenly I heard the uproar of thousands of voices, and I saw the whole
multitude spread out in that vast space at my feet...turn their backs to
that spot where, until then, all their expectations had been focused, and
look at the sun on the other side. I turned around, too, toward the point
commanding their gaze and I could see the sun, like a very clear disc, with
its sharp edge, which gleamed without hurting the sight. It could not be
confused with the sun seen through a fog (there was no fog at that moment),
for it was neither veiled nor dim. At Fatima, it kept its light and heat,
and stood out clearly in the sky, with a sharp edge, like a large gaming
table. The most astonishing thing was to be able to stare at the solar disc
for a long time, brilliant with light and heat, without hurting the eyes or
damaging the retina. [During this time], the sun's disc did not remain
immobile, it had a giddy motion, [but] not like the twinking of a star in
all its brilliance for it spun round upon itself in a mad whirl.
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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26 Feb 2004 07:36:28 AM |
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None of which have been validated. Just because someone sees Jesus in
the fungus in their bathtub doesn't make it a miracle. Try again.
Fatima Revisited:
We know that fairy tale fundie boy. You need to learn that repetition
of a claim is not equal to proof of the claim, if you ever want to be
taken seriously ;)
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Question For Atheists? |
28 Feb 2004 08:44:26 AM |
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"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:c1ksq8$1j5j93$1@ID-87341.news.uni-berlin.de...
None of which have been validated. Just because someone sees Jesus in
the fungus in their bathtub doesn't make it a miracle. Try again.
Fatima Revisited:
The sordid story of Thore Schmechtig and his secret NG
Thore regularly flames and ridicules Christians for holding opinions
contrary to his. After someone patiently tries to explain to Thore the
reasons WTR to the issues, Thore gets mad. And then after he is clearly
shown to be wrong, Thore changes the "reply to" NG in the thread to
alt.idiots. Then of course when the reply is sent to Thore, it is actually
posted to the NG called alt.idiots and not to where the thread originated.
If the person did not notice the change made by Thore, he then teases them,
asking "where is your reply?"
Here is one such exchange.
*****Thorry's fantasy world where he loses a debate and then changes the
reply to so he can slink away!!!!
"Thore Schmechtig" <WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Remember, after reading it:
Homo idioticus
And I'd say it's very clear that you behave as an idiot.
So . . there. There we are.
Well, fundie boy, what's up? I havent't seen a reply to my postings
Thorry thinks he *wins* by sending an unsuspecting poster to an undisclosed
NG (alt.idiots)
***the purpose of this****
Thore is replacing the reply to NG with alt.idiots. I have not been fooled
but I noticed others have.
Thore will continue to see this warning until he assures the posters of this
group it will not happen again.
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