"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation") about
the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the matter
that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused to
answer any questions about the film.

Why do you continue to ask this question when it has been answered.

We do not know anything about the universe prior to Planck Time. Got
that?

That wasn't the question.

By the way, didn't you claim to be in college when Skinner's daughter
was very young? Wouldn't that make you about 75 years old now? Who was
teaching about the Big Bang in 1950?

You don't even know me but claim you know my age. You also imply that you
know what a professor said to a class that I attended despite the fact
that you were not in the class and probably was not even in the same
state. You seem to believe that someone that graduated from college in
1950 is not able to learn about the Big Bang theory from a science
magazine or via the internet.

Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.

In article <lijun1tkg7jvbkrkebh94tp7r3frgqqkdt@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:56:41 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1911050756410001@pm4-broad-18.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <kBHff.34064$0l5.20050@dukeread06>, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<AcGff.33325$0l5.30920@dukeread06>:

<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When
did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?

No, the age of the universe isn't very clear, but, if I recall
correctly, the current best estimate is about 13.5 billion years.

Is that before or after the Hubble telescope was able to see farther

than no

man had ever seen before?

I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation") about
the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the matter
that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused to
answer any questions about the film.

Why do you continue to ask this question when it has been answered.

We do not know anything about the universe prior to Planck Time. Got
that? If you want to know more, you will have to become a physicist and
discover it -- using science.

Your question was just annoying after it was answered the first time,
but now it reeks of dishonesty. I doubt that your description of the
events surrounding your question after the film is accurate.

By the way, didn't you claim to be in college when Skinner's daughter
was very young? Wouldn't that make you about 75 years old now? Who was
teaching about the Big Bang in 1950?

You don't even know me but claim you know my age.

You also imply that you
know what a professor said to a class that I attended despite the fact
that you were not in the class and probably was not even in the same
state.

You seem to believe that someone that graduated from college in
1950 is not able to learn about the Big Bang theory from a science
magazine or via the internet.

Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here.

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1811052034190001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <1132367016.838316.89560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.

Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud
settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

Well that makes SCIENTIFIC theorists all the more remarkable I'd
say, to have the advanced intellect, not to mention, presence of
mind, to come up with a theory, any theory, of any worth, more than
a dozen billion years before the human race even came to be, and,
whilst compressed, along with every bit of matter that was/was to
come to be, in an object the size of a pinhead? Wow!

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the
same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity.
That is
how pathetic the big bang is.

And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

I am no scientist, well, ok, I fancy myself to be, at the least, a
barnyard scientist, and, I can't say that I BELIEVE that that, the
big bang, is how it all started, (after all, where did all the
matter compressed in an object the size of a pinhead come from? A
former universe[from an earlier big bang], that had gone into
reverse, collasped back to it's center and exploded once again upon
reaching critical mass?) I don't know, I wasn't there, but, it
makes more sense to me than to think that some magickal genii
twitched its nose, so to speak, and poof, everything in season,
including an insidious trap for Adam. The poor *****, he never
had a chance, your god used SEX to entrap him. And how old was
Adam, less than a week old? His bellybutton wasn't even h...,
nevermind. Excuse me if you will, don't if you won't, but, your
theory, is by FAR, the more pathetic.

L.Roberts.

Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists
(except for one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded
during the big bang came to be.

Why would you ask a biologist about cosmology?

Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"
He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would
eventually run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.
I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However,
when people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't
know."

Cosmologists have a decent idea what has happened to the universe
from very shortly after the Big Bang until the present. It is
currently impossible for us to know what the universe was like prior
to the first moment (Planck time) after the Big Bang.

That was just after the final contraction of the old universe
(according to science). The pinpoint was only a fraction of a second,
then a new universe expands. That univers finally reaches full
expansion then finally contracts into a pinpoint again where it once
again expands into a new universe.

That is the Big Bang theory.

However, it does not explain when this
perpetual motion began, how it began or where all that mass originaly
came from in the first place.

Cosmologists have a decent idea what has happened to the universe
from very shortly after the Big Bang until the present. It is
currently impossible for us to know what the universe was like prior
to the first moment (Planck time) after the Big Bang.

That was just after the final contraction of the old universe
(according to science). The pinpoint was only a fraction of a
second, then a new universe expands. That univers finally reaches
full expansion then finally contracts into a pinpoint again where it
once again expands into a new universe.
That is the Big Bang theory. However, it does not explain when this
perpetual motion began, how it began or where all that mass originaly
came from in the first place.

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:34:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-1811052034190001@pm1-broad-103.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <1132367016.838316.89560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.

Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

Well that makes SCIENTIFIC theorists all the more remarkable I'd say,
to have the advanced intellect, not to mention, presence of mind, to
come up with a theory, any theory, of any worth, more than a dozen
billion years before the human race even came to be, and, whilst
compressed, along with every bit of matter that was/was to come to be,
in an object the size of a pinhead? Wow!

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same
senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity.
That is
how pathetic the big bang is.

And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

I am no scientist, well, ok, I fancy myself to be, at the least, a
barnyard scientist, and, I can't say that I BELIEVE that that, the big
bang, is how it all started, (after all, where did all the matter
compressed in an object the size of a pinhead come from? A former
universe[from an earlier big bang], that had gone into reverse,
collasped back to it's center and exploded once again upon reaching
critical mass?) I don't know, I wasn't there, but, it makes more sense
to me than to think that some magickal genii twitched its nose, so to
speak, and poof, everything in season, including an insidious trap for
Adam. The poor *****, he never had a chance, your god used SEX to
entrap him. And how old was Adam, less than a week old? His bellybutton
wasn't even h..., nevermind. Excuse me if you will, don't if you won't,
but, your theory, is by FAR, the more pathetic.

L.Roberts.

Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists (except for
one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded during the big bang
came to be.

Why would you ask a biologist about cosmology?

Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"
He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would eventually
run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.
I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

Cosmologists have a decent idea what has happened to the universe from
very shortly after the Big Bang until the present. It is currently
impossible for us to know what the universe was like prior to the first
moment (Planck time) after the Big Bang.

That was just after the final contraction of the old universe (according to
science). The pinpoint was only a fraction of a second, then a new universe
expands. That univers finally reaches full expansion then finally contracts
into a pinpoint again where it once again expands into a new universe.

That is the Big Bang theory. However, it does not explain when this
perpetual motion began, how it began or where all that mass originaly came
from in the first place.