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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill Gamelson" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:37:37 PM |
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Question for "Evolutionists" |
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 07:43:53 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight to
the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get Biblical
evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you pretend
that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 07:55:47 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FD30A176Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight to
the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get Biblical
evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you pretend
that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
You are wrong. Intelligent design does not assume that any religious "God"
created us or this universe. It only assumes that some one or some thing or
some being or some entity did.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 07:44:43 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mkwef.14267$0l5.6400@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FD30A176Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight
to the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get
Biblical evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you
pretend that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
You are wrong. Intelligent design does not assume that any religious
"God" created us or this universe. It only assumes that some one or
some thing or some being or some entity did.
You are a liar. Intelligent design is a "wedge" to bring Biblical
creationism back to American classrooms. The founders of the ID movement
said so themselves.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up
for something, sometime in your life." -- W. Churchill
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| User: "nafc" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 04:07:40 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mkwef.14267$0l5.6400@dukeread06...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FD30A176Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight to
the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get Biblical
evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you pretend
that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
You are wrong. Intelligent design does not assume that any religious
"God" created us or this universe. It only assumes that some one or some
thing or some being or some entity did.
Not according to Pat Robertson.
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| User: "Jesus Sucks" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 08:09:26 PM |
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"nafc" <nafc@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:M_sef.47$di6.26@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mkwef.14267$0l5.6400@dukeread06...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FD30A176Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight to
the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get Biblical
evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you pretend
that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
You are wrong. Intelligent design does not assume that any religious
"God" created us or this universe. It only assumes that some one or some
thing or some being or some entity did.
Not according to Pat Robertson.
I would love to hear Bill say Pat Robertson is an idiot. But I suspect Bill
is a card carrying member of the 700Club.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 10:20:02 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet nafc (nafc@sbcglobal.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mkwef.14267$0l5.6400@dukeread06...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FD30A176Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning
space flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight
to the moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get
Biblical evidence right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because we all know that ID is biblical creationism, whether you
pretend that ID allows for "space aliens" or not.
You are wrong. Intelligent design does not assume that any
religious "God" created us or this universe. It only assumes that
some one or some thing or some being or some entity did.
Not according to Pat Robertson.
Or anyone who lives south of the Mason Dixon line...
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"GARGOYLES, PSYCHICS, EVERYTHING UNGODLY, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY
HOUSE, IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. THE DARK SIDE, SHE's NOT A CHRISTIAN,
SHE'S DARK-SIDED, SHE'S DARK-SIDED, THIS IS MY HOUSE, I WANT MY GOD
AND I WANT MY FAMILY. I AM A GOD WARRIOR SHE'S A SPIRITUAL WARRIOR,
SHE WAS THROWN IN THE PITS, OH NO THE HORRORS"
Ain't Christianity great?
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| User: "Jesus Sucks" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 07:06:53 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:oyvef.14261$0l5.3060@dukeread06...
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FCB49AD87Cfstone69@213.155.197.138...
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning space
flight 200 years ago.
And yet it took less than seventy years to go from powered flight to the
moon landings. You've had more than 2000 years to get Biblical evidence
right, and you *still* haven't managed it.
Why are you dragging the Bible into this discussion?
Because it appears that you are fishing for some sort of odd ID support,
which you won't find here. Why don't you tell us what your intentions are?
Do you support ID? Are you a YEC?
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| User: "Alan S" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 01:34:42 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning space flight
200 years ago.
Sagan (who was somewhat of a dreamer himself otherwise) has a nice
quotable involving Bozo the clown. Google and think about it.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 02:54:58 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Dean" <dionysus_2112@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132100444.145325.86530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Neil Kelsey wrote:
My idiot brother believes in the Book of Urantia, which is more or less
what you have theoried. Check it out! The world needs more lunatic
cultists.
Holy *****! Is that stuff serious? How delusional would you need to be
to believe that? (No offense to your family.)
Hey, all you xians: google Urantia and read some of that crap. When
you dismiss it as utter nonsense, come back here and let us know.
Because now you know how atheists feel about your bible.
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning space flight
200 years ago.
Did you know that Newton discussed shooting a cannonball at such a high
speed that it would escape earth's gravity?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 05:11:13 PM |
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"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:C66ff.1050$q93.594979@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Dean" <dionysus_2112@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132100444.145325.86530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Neil Kelsey wrote:
My idiot brother believes in the Book of Urantia, which is more or less
what you have theoried. Check it out! The world needs more lunatic
cultists.
Holy *****! Is that stuff serious? How delusional would you need to be
to believe that? (No offense to your family.)
Hey, all you xians: google Urantia and read some of that crap. When
you dismiss it as utter nonsense, come back here and let us know.
Because now you know how atheists feel about your bible.
Which is the same attitude us intelligent humans had concerning space
flight 200 years ago.
Did you know that Newton discussed shooting a cannonball at such a high
speed that it would escape earth's gravity?
I never heard that one, but it sounds simular to the story of the tower of
Babylon.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 06:32:51 PM |
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Oh, no offence taken. My brother is unfortunately off his rocker.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 05:14:48 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:37:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
It does not matter. We are here, and no matter what happened in the
past, we are here now. We can't change the past, because it's GONE.
While we can do lots of great planning for the future to insure we
stay alive and fed, retirement, etc - we still can't control what the
aliens or gods will do, if they exist and even if they still care or
remember.
Nice dreaming, though. :)
TheRain
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 09:54:42 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:37:37 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
I hope so, since there's very few on this planet.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
What about it?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
Objective supporting evidence of such? Otherwise it goes into the
'Santa Claus' file.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 08:36:58 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:37:37 -0600, Bill Gamelson wrote:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to
cloning human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE
humans. How do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that
we have been long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of
us in technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in
their search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would
it not?
Yes, it would be plausible. However, it takes fewer assumptions to
postulate that life either started here, or on some comet, as a
spontaneous event.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 01:46:25 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:37:37 -0600, in alt.atheism , "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> in <zqtef.14225$0l5.510@dukeread06> wrote:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
It is a big universe and, apparently, lots of planets. Likely there
was/is/will be "intelligent" life elsewhere. (That said, life has been
here for 4 or so billion years and intelligent for maybe .025% of that
time. If we last another million years intelligence will have been
here .5% of the time. We are a bit unlikely I suppose.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
I consider it unlikely. I don't have the numbers around right now and
don't feel like looking them up, but space is very large.
There are two ways it could have worked directed and non-directed. For
direct Panspermia to have worked they would have had to have somehow
known about the Earth and somehow sent a self-sufficient probe to the
Earth to get here when the planet was ready for life. And somehow that
probe would have had the exact right life for the Earth. There are
many unlikelies here
The other way is non-directed, just having lots of life floating
around. The problem then is that the Earth is very small (compared to
space) and anything floating in will likely end up in the Sun anyway.
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After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
If there were evidence suggesting it, sure.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Mike Ruskai" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:36:05 PM |
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On or about Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:37:37 -0600 did "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> dribble thusly:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
Only if by "our" you mean all life on earth. The evidence that all
existing life on this planet was descended from a common ancestor is
overwhelming.
At most, that common ancestor (a microbe) would have been designed.
It still boils down to a completely undesigned chain of life, however,
as eventually in the (hypothetical) chain of designers, one must have
come from completely undesigned origins.
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- Mike
Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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15 Nov 2005 06:29:13 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bill Gamelson
(bill_gamelson@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other
planets?
Sure.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
Why not? But then again, who created them?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"GARGOYLES, PSYCHICS, EVERYTHING UNGODLY, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY
HOUSE, IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. THE DARK SIDE, SHE's NOT A CHRISTIAN,
SHE'S DARK-SIDED, SHE'S DARK-SIDED, THIS IS MY HOUSE, I WANT MY GOD
AND I WANT MY FAMILY. I AM A GOD WARRIOR SHE'S A SPIRITUAL WARRIOR,
SHE WAS THROWN IN THE PITS, OH NO THE HORRORS"
Ain't Christianity great?
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 06:46:24 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FA7B4AF66Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bill Gamelson
(bill_gamelson@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other
planets?
Sure.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
Why not? But then again, who created them?
That would be exactly what they would be wondering and part of the reason we
exist. To give them an answer. They would of course be just as curious as
to the origin of life as we are.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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15 Nov 2005 07:21:52 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bill Gamelson
(bill_gamelson@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970FA7B4AF66Bvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bill Gamelson
(bill_gamelson@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other
planets?
Sure.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
Why not? But then again, who created them?
That would be exactly what they would be wondering and part of the
reason we exist. To give them an answer. They would of course be
just as curious as to the origin of life as we are.
So maybe we'll just assert that we created each other, and be done with
it.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"GARGOYLES, PSYCHICS, EVERYTHING UNGODLY, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY
HOUSE, IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. THE DARK SIDE, SHE's NOT A CHRISTIAN,
SHE'S DARK-SIDED, SHE'S DARK-SIDED, THIS IS MY HOUSE, I WANT MY GOD
AND I WANT MY FAMILY. I AM A GOD WARRIOR SHE'S A SPIRITUAL WARRIOR,
SHE WAS THROWN IN THE PITS, OH NO THE HORRORS"
Ain't Christianity great?
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| User: "Sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
16 Nov 2005 05:10:27 PM |
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[ngs trimmed]
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans.
I'm just curious... how did _you_ get to be on this planet?
--
Sleepalot aa #1385
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