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"Bill Gamelson" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:37:37 PM |
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Question for "Evolutionists" |
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 06:12:45 PM |
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In article <zqtef.14225$0l5.510@dukeread06>, Bill Gamelson
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
It's elephants all the way down.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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15 Nov 2005 09:01:48 PM |
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In our last episode, <zqtef.14225$0l5.510@dukeread06>, the
lovely and talented Bill Gamelson broadcast on alt.atheism:
Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
There might be.
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
There is no evidence to support that. The evidence is very
clear that life evolved on this planet. The DNA evidence is
that life on this planet all has a common ancestor, and the
fossil record is very clear about the time that descent has
taken.
Could that common ancester have been an intergalactic microbe
on a beer can a space alien tossed at Earth. Sure. And that is
compatible with evolution, because evolution has absolutely
nothing to say about where that common ancestor came from.
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very
close to cloning human beings. This is the first step in
learning how to CREATE humans. How do you know that these
space aliens on a distant planet that we have been long
searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science
experiment in their search to explain THEIR existence?
It is clear that there was no special creation of human beings
apart from other life forms on earth. To deliberately create
human beings by planting a microbe and waiting for it to evolve
would require the ability to predict countless factors such as
climate changes on earth.
What is more, there is a lot of junk in the human genome.
If any intelligent being had deliberately created human beings,
it would not have included genetic junk which is never expressed
at any time in human life -- for pretty much the same reason
that no intelligent programmer uses 10,000 lines of code to
write a "Hello, world!" program.
Then there is the issue of where are these space aliens
and where did they go and how they did that without leaving
any evidence. If they were running an experiment, surely
they would run it where they could observe the outcome,
so if they can see us, why can't we see them?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our
existence, would it not?
There is no evidence one way or another for the microbe on the
cosmic beer can theory. Evolution is about the origin of
species, not the origin of life. So evolution has nothing to
say on this subject.
All the evidence is against the special creation of human beings
apart from the other species.
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Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC http://www.larseighner.com/
The Mint Jelly of GodŽ -- The World's Best Atheist -- Unholier Than Thou
First Church of Electro-Baptism ***Atheist #1965*** One Short Circuit to Jesus
Jesus Loves Me, This I Know / For the Voices Tell Me So.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 05:37:14 PM |
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Oh come on. There are mountains of evidence that we evolved from
earlier life forms over millions and millions of years. Are you really
saying that aliens came here in the past 30,000 years and cleverly
planted modern homo sapiens amongst all the other existing species
including some that we share 97% of our DNA with?
That being said, your explanation is WAY MORE plausible than the
stories cooked up by theists; at least in YOUR theory the aliens would
have had to evolve too. I would give your theory several decimal places
more likely odds than, say, christianity, which hovers at zero percent.
My idiot brother believes in the Book of Urantia, which is more or less
what you have theoried. Check it out! The world needs more lunatic
cultists.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
15 Nov 2005 06:37:54 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132097834.236097.271830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Oh come on. There are mountains of evidence that we evolved from
earlier life forms over millions and millions of years.
Exactly! Thankyou! These space alians would have also evolved from earlier
life forms and thus would have evolved into believs far more intelligent
than we are now. Remember that this theory states that we are millions of
years behind then if the process of evolution.
Are you really
saying that aliens came here in the past 30,000 years and cleverly
planted modern homo sapiens amongst all the other existing species
including some that we share 97% of our DNA with?
Nope. I'm suggesting that they may have planted the micro-organisms
nessessary to begin the process of evolution exactly as it is now theorized.
They then sat back and watched us evolve. These UFO sightings just might be
them checking up on us to note the progress we are making .
That being said, your explanation is WAY MORE plausible than the
stories cooked up by theists; at least in YOUR theory the aliens would
have had to evolve too.
Exactly, and they may wonder where they came from and how long they have
been around. If they could keep watch on us and note the time period
between first life and the discovery of how to create life, this may give
them a ballpark estimate of when life began for them.
I would give your theory several decimal places
more likely odds than, say, christianity, which hovers at zero percent.
Well hey, the odds of us evolving by accident from nothing is about the same
as taking a rifle at one end of the universe, firing a bullet to the other
end of the universe and nailing a one inch target. I'm simply trying to
provide a theory that would fill the gap if it could be proven.
My idiot brother believes in the Book of Urantia, which is more or less
what you have theoried. Check it out! The world needs more lunatic
cultists.
Albert Einstein was once thought of as a lunatic cultist.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 10:26:56 AM |
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"> I would give your theory several decimal places
more likely odds than, say, christianity, which hovers at zero percent.
Well hey, the odds of us evolving by accident from nothing is about the
same as taking a rifle at one end of the universe, firing a bullet to
the other
end of the universe and nailing a one inch target. I'm simply trying
to
provide a theory that would fill the gap if it could be proven."
The problem with your logic here is that you're arguing from
incredulity. I agree it is amazing that we are even here. But,
SOMETHING had to evolve. Why not us? We make perfect sense according to
the laws of physics. You analogy of the rifle firing a bullet is off
base. And, I might add, your aliens faced exactly the same odds for
their evolution. Why add the least likely scenario for which there is
no credible evidence (unless you consider the Weekly World News to be
credible) to a scenario that works perfectly well without it, and for
which there are reams of evidence.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 05:04:28 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132244816.809272.146450@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"> I would give your theory several decimal places
more likely odds than, say, christianity, which hovers at zero percent.
Well hey, the odds of us evolving by accident from nothing is about the
same as taking a rifle at one end of the universe, firing a bullet to
the other
end of the universe and nailing a one inch target. I'm simply trying
to
provide a theory that would fill the gap if it could be proven."
The problem with your logic here is that you're arguing from
incredulity. I agree it is amazing that we are even here. But,
SOMETHING had to evolve. Why not us? We make perfect sense according to
the laws of physics. You analogy of the rifle firing a bullet is off
base.
I'm directly quoting a scientist I saw discussing this subject on TV. He
also said that the odds would be better if you and a few other people took
different colors of paint, simaltaniously tossed the paint into the air and
the paint came down on a canvas and formed a picture.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 05:11:31 PM |
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You're missing my point.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
17 Nov 2005 05:16:51 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132269091.101747.117160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You're missing my point.
Which is???
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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17 Nov 2005 05:46:19 PM |
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My point is this: You're looking through the wrong end of the barrell
with your rifle analogy. If you are at the OTHER end of the shot, at
the gun, and you shoot, the bullet has to go SOMEWHERE. The odds are
100% that something will evolve once the evolution process was set in
motion with the Big Bang, the odds were just close to (but not at) 0%
that it would be you.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 04:43:03 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132271179.623469.277590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
My point is this: You're looking through the wrong end of the barrell
with your rifle analogy. If you are at the OTHER end of the shot, at
the gun, and you shoot, the bullet has to go SOMEWHERE. The odds are
100% that something will evolve once the evolution process was set in
motion with the Big Bang,
No. That's not true. That's like saying if you blow up a dirt clod, it
will always form something.
the odds were just close to (but not at) 0%
that it would be you.
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and the
human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out of a big
bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you earn at work on
lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single time.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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18 Nov 2005 06:21:23 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132271179.623469.277590@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
My point is this: You're looking through the wrong end of the barrell
with your rifle analogy. If you are at the OTHER end of the shot, at
the gun, and you shoot, the bullet has to go SOMEWHERE. The odds are
100% that something will evolve once the evolution process was set in
motion with the Big Bang,
No. That's not true. That's like saying if you blow up a dirt clod, it
will always form something.
the odds were just close to (but not at) 0%
that it would be you.
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and the
human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out of a big
bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you earn at work on
lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not us?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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18 Nov 2005 07:03:03 PM |
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"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7euff.713$xD5.1125039@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and
the human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out of
a big bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you earn
at work on lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not
us?
Go back and re-read the entire thread. I never stated that I believed in
space alians. But you're free to Google it if you think you can prove me to
be a liar.
Go ahead, give it a shot.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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20 Nov 2005 12:13:53 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7euff.713$xD5.1125039@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and
the human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out of
a big bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you earn
at work on lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not
us?
Go back and re-read the entire thread. I never stated that I believed in
space alians. But you're free to Google it if you think you can prove me to
be a liar.
I don't know what you believe, but you did say that as a possibility for
us to consider.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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20 Nov 2005 09:03:25 AM |
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"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BuUff.2017$3o6.835375@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and
the human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out
of a big bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you
earn at work on lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single
time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not
us?
Go back and re-read the entire thread. I never stated that I believed in
space alians. But you're free to Google it if you think you can prove me
to be a liar.
I don't know what you believe, but you did say that as a possibility for
us to consider.
That is correct. It's called having an open mind.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:46:39 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BuUff.2017$3o6.835375@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and
the human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out
of a big bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you
earn at work on lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single
time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not
us?
Go back and re-read the entire thread. I never stated that I believed in
space alians. But you're free to Google it if you think you can prove me
to be a liar.
I don't know what you believe, but you did say that as a possibility for
us to consider.
That is correct. It's called having an open mind.
Yes, but I don't want it so open that my brains fall out.
colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Nov 2005 04:14:00 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:46:39 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Colin Day" <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BuUff.2017$3o6.835375@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Do you honestly believe that the universe as well balanced as it is and
the human body as intricate as it is capable of reproduction arose out
of a big bang? If so, then why aren't you spending all the money you
earn at work on lottery tickets. You'd be a winner nearly every single
time.
You seem to believe that it was well-balanced for the aliens, so why not
us?
Go back and re-read the entire thread. I never stated that I believed in
space alians. But you're free to Google it if you think you can prove me
to be a liar.
I don't know what you believe, but you did say that as a possibility for
us to consider.
That is correct. It's called having an open mind.
Yes, but I don't want it so open that my brains fall out.
Gamelson=outhouse pit.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 05:59:23 PM |
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Don't answer your questions for me. That's a bad habit.
Okay, we'll use your lottery ticket analogy. The odds are 100% that
someone will win. The odds are millions to one that it's going to be
me. I am not stupid, I'm not going to spend all my money, or even any
of it, with those odds.
In terms of existence, the odds are 100% that something will evolve,
the odds are infintesimal that it would be me, yet here I am. Lucky me.
The odds are WAY smaller still that I am here because some aliens
evolved (with just as unlikely odds as me evolving) found this planet,
seeded it, and cultivated it so that I evolved. The odds are smaller
still that some deity snapped his fingers and popped all of the
universe into existence. In fact, in my estimation, those odds are
zero, and that whole idea is absurd. The qualitative difference in the
scenarios above is that evolution obeys the laws of physics, and
creation does not. The universe I live in obeys the laws of physics.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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18 Nov 2005 06:52:29 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358363.705984.31030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don't answer your questions for me. That's a bad habit.
Okay, we'll use your lottery ticket analogy. The odds are 100% that
someone will win.
Wrong! Why do you think the powerball jackpot keeps going up? Because
nobody wins! When someone finally wins, the jackpot goes back down. I'm
surprised you didn't know this.
The odds are millions to one that it's going to be
me.
That's right.
I am not stupid, I'm not going to spend all my money, or even any
of it, with those odds.
Yet you'll bank your entire eternity on the assumption that the big bang
ended up with us debating each other. The odds of that are trillions of
times more than winning the lottery the very first time.
Having said that, you are stupid.
In terms of existence, the odds are 100% that something will evolve,
Wrong! Again, the dirt clod senerio. You are saying that if someone blew
up a dirt clod, the odds are 100% that something will form out of it.
the odds are infintesimal that it would be me, yet here I am.
And yet you deny a creator.
Lucky me.
Pathetic you.
The odds are WAY smaller still that I am here because some aliens
evolved (with just as unlikely odds as me evolving) found this planet,
seeded it, and cultivated it so that I evolved. The odds are smaller
still that some deity snapped his fingers and popped all of the
universe into existence.
You are fooling youself.
In fact, in my estimation,
Thankyou for admitting that these are your estimations and not scientific
estimations.
those odds are
zero, and that whole idea is absurd.
Your estimations are absurd.
The qualitative difference in the
scenarios above is that evolution obeys the laws of physics, and
creation does not.
You're right. Creation follows the laws of basic common sense.
The universe I live in obeys the laws of physics.
The physics that God created and set into motion. You are denying this.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:43:40 PM |
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"> Okay, we'll use your lottery ticket analogy. The odds are 100% that
someone will win.
Wrong! Why do you think the powerball jackpot keeps going up? Because
nobody wins! When someone finally wins, the jackpot goes back down.
I'm
surprised you didn't know this."
Did I really have to say "the odds are 100% that someone will win
EVENTUALLY?" Are you just being a ***** by making me say that?
I am not stupid, I'm not going to spend all my money, or even any
of it, with those odds.
"Yet you'll bank your entire eternity on the assumption that the big
bang
ended up with us debating each other. The odds of that are trillions
of
times more than winning the lottery the very first time.
Having said that, you are stupid."
Huh. Pretty impressive for someone who said "the odds are trillions of
times more than winning the lottery the very first time." I believe you
meant the odds are trillions of times LOWER than winner the lottery the
first time, but hey, I'm supposedly stupid. *****. And even though
the odds are trillions of times lower, they are still infinitely
greater than a supernatural creator having made us. Your grasp of
quantum mechanics and probability is non-existent.
*snip the rest of your lunacy because I just realized that you are a
Fundi Lunatic, whereas before I thought you were just proposing some
X-File Conspiracy Theory about Aliens. which at least could have some
basis in reality*
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
19 Nov 2005 03:51:54 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"> Okay, we'll use your lottery ticket analogy. The odds are 100% that
someone will win.
Wrong! Why do you think the powerball jackpot keeps going up? Because
nobody wins! When someone finally wins, the jackpot goes back down.
I'm
surprised you didn't know this."
Did I really have to say "the odds are 100% that someone will win
EVENTUALLY?" Are you just being a ***** by making me say that?
I was not aware that what you say may not be what you mean to say.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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19 Nov 2005 06:21:56 PM |
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Oh please. You and I both know somebody always wins the lottery, if not
this week then next week. You are being disingenuous, which is typical
of you theists.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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19 Nov 2005 06:26:39 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh please. You and I both know somebody always wins the lottery, if not
this week then next week.
But how many tries does it take and how many people play?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
19 Nov 2005 09:57:24 PM |
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100% of lotteries are won. You know that. The pot may build up for a
few weeks, but someone always wins them eventually. You know that. And
this is analogous to evolution: someone will win the pot eventually,
something will evolve eventually. With lotteries millions of people are
buying millions of tickets. With evolution, a universe full of
countless quantum events every second in every square millimeter of
matter has billions of years to mutate into something new. You would
win the lottery every time if you had gazillions of tickets, and there
are gazillions of quantum particles in your fingernail alone.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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19 Nov 2005 10:06:42 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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100% of lotteries are won. You know that. The pot may build up for a
few weeks, but someone always wins them eventually. You know that. And
this is analogous to evolution: someone will win the pot eventually,
something will evolve eventually. With lotteries millions of people are
buying millions of tickets. With evolution, a universe full of
countless quantum events every second in every square millimeter of
matter has billions of years to mutate into something new. You would
win the lottery every time if you had gazillions of tickets, and there
are gazillions of quantum particles in your fingernail alone.
Yet suposedly all this started from one big bang.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
20 Nov 2005 12:02:30 AM |
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So what?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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18 Nov 2005 07:29:59 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:_Guff.27047$0l5.8283@dukeread06:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358363.705984.31030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Don't answer your questions for me. That's a bad habit.
Okay, we'll use your lottery ticket analogy. The odds are 100% that
someone will win.
Wrong! Why do you think the powerball jackpot keeps going up?
Because nobody wins! When someone finally wins, the jackpot goes back
down. I'm surprised you didn't know this.
The odds are millions to one that it's going to be
me.
That's right.
I am not stupid, I'm not going to spend all my money, or even any
of it, with those odds.
Yet you'll bank your entire eternity on the assumption that the big
bang ended up with us debating each other. The odds of that are
trillions of times more than winning the lottery the very first time.
The anthropic principle forbids drawing any sort of conclusion about the
odds from the fact that we exist. Now, if you have a sample of more than
one universe to compare, maybe your probability argument would have some
validity.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 06:02:52 PM |
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Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.
Your analogy doesn't work.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 06:58:03 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.
No it's not. The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint. All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.
And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 08:23:36 PM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.
No it's not.
Yah huh!
The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.
Well that makes SCIENTIFIC theorists all the more remarkable I'd say,
to have the advanced intellect, not to mention, presence of mind, to
come up with a theory, any theory, of any worth, more than a dozen
billion years before the human race even came to be, and, whilst
compressed, along with every bit of matter that was/was to come to be,
in an object the size of a pinhead? Wow!
All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.
And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.
I am no scientist, well, ok, I fancy myself to be, at the least, a
barnyard scientist, and, I can't say that I BELIEVE that that, the big
bang, is how it all started, (after all, where did all the matter
compressed in an object the size of a pinhead come from? A former
universe[from an earlier big bang], that had gone into reverse,
collasped back to it's center and exploded once again upon reaching
critical mass?) I don't know, I wasn't there, but, it makes more sense
to me than to think that some magickal genii twitched its nose, so to
speak, and poof, everything in season, including an insidious trap for
Adam. The poor *****, he never had a chance, your god used SEX to
entrap him. And how old was Adam, less than a week old? His bellybutton
wasn't even h..., nevermind. Excuse me if you will, don't if you won't,
but, your theory, is by FAR, the more pathetic.
L.Roberts.
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists" |
18 Nov 2005 10:34:18 PM |
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In article <1132367016.838316.89560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.
No it's not.
Yah huh!
The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.
Well that makes SCIENTIFIC theorists all the more remarkable I'd say,
to have the advanced intellect, not to mention, presence of mind, to
come up with a theory, any theory, of any worth, more than a dozen
billion years before the human race even came to be, and, whilst
compressed, along with every bit of matter that was/was to come to be,
in an object the size of a pinhead? Wow!
All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.
And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.
I am no scientist, well, ok, I fancy myself to be, at the least, a
barnyard scientist, and, I can't say that I BELIEVE that that, the big
bang, is how it all started, (after all, where did all the matter
compressed in an object the size of a pinhead come from? A former
universe[from an earlier big bang], that had gone into reverse,
collasped back to it's center and exploded once again upon reaching
critical mass?) I don't know, I wasn't there, but, it makes more sense
to me than to think that some magickal genii twitched its nose, so to
speak, and poof, everything in season, including an insidious trap for
Adam. The poor *****, he never had a chance, your god used SEX to
entrap him. And how old was Adam, less than a week old? His bellybutton
wasn't even h..., nevermind. Excuse me if you will, don't if you won't,
but, your theory, is by FAR, the more pathetic.
L.Roberts.
Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists (except for
one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded during the big bang
came to be.
Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"
He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would eventually
run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.
I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."
jason
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