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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Bill Gamelson"
Date:	15 Nov 2005 04:37:37 PM
Object:	Question for "Evolutionists"

Do you really believe that there may be intelligent life on other planets?
If so, what about the possibility that THEY may have created us, the
universe did evolve, and they were here first?
After all, we have successfully cloned animals and are very close to cloning
human beings. This is the first step in learning how to CREATE humans. How
do you know that these space aliens on a distant planet that we have been
long searching for are not simply millions of years ahead of us in
technology and they created us as a long-term science experiment in their
search to explain THEIR existence?
That would be a plausible scientific explanation for our existence, would it
not?
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User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 07:54:14 AM

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists (except for
one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded during the big bang
came to be.
Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"

Another question is: if all that mass expanded outward in all directions,
then how did the spinning motions begin where plantes spin on an axis?
There had to be a secondary force of nature since an outward expansion alone
will not initiate a spinning motion.

He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would eventually
run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

However, the big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

That is because God has always been. There is no beginning for God. He is
the Alpha and the Omega. This is something the limited human mind cannot
comprehend, and one of the basic laws of science is that if something cannot
be seen, felt or measured, it's not there.
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:12:54 AM

"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists
(except for one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded
during the big bang came to be.
Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"

Another question is: if all that mass expanded outward in all
directions, then how did the spinning motions begin where plantes spin
on an axis? There had to be a secondary force of nature since an
outward expansion alone will not initiate a spinning motion.

The angular momentum of galaxies and solar systems results from the
*collapse* of asymmetrical concentrations of matter under the influence
of gravity *after* the initial expansion.

He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would
eventually run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

However, the big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual
motion of expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new
universe. When did that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and
where did all that mass come from in the first place?

All what mass? The net mass-energy balance of the universe is zero.

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However,
when people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't
know."

That is because God has always been. There is no beginning for God.
He is the Alpha and the Omega. This is something the limited human
mind cannot comprehend,

Is your mind one of those limited human minds?

and one of the basic laws of science is that
if something cannot be seen, felt or measured, it's not there.

If it cannot be seen, felt or measured in any way, how do *you* know
anything at all about it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
.

User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:00:40 AM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:54:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would eventually
run out of answers.
The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

The perfect answer. Those using it will never be persuaded they are
wrong and the answer itself explains absolutely nothing.
.

User: "Robibnikoff"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	18 Nov 2005 10:57:47 PM

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <1132367016.838316.89560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.

Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

Well that makes SCIENTIFIC theorists all the more remarkable I'd say,
to have the advanced intellect, not to mention, presence of mind, to
come up with a theory, any theory, of any worth, more than a dozen
billion years before the human race even came to be, and, whilst
compressed, along with every bit of matter that was/was to come to be,
in an object the size of a pinhead? Wow!

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same
senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That
is
how pathetic the big bang is.

And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

I am no scientist, well, ok, I fancy myself to be, at the least, a
barnyard scientist, and, I can't say that I BELIEVE that that, the big
bang, is how it all started, (after all, where did all the matter
compressed in an object the size of a pinhead come from? A former
universe[from an earlier big bang], that had gone into reverse,
collasped back to it's center and exploded once again upon reaching
critical mass?) I don't know, I wasn't there, but, it makes more sense
to me than to think that some magickal genii twitched its nose, so to
speak, and poof, everything in season, including an insidious trap for
Adam. The poor *****, he never had a chance, your god used SEX to
entrap him. And how old was Adam, less than a week old? His bellybutton
wasn't even h..., nevermind. Excuse me if you will, don't if you won't,
but, your theory, is by FAR, the more pathetic.

L.Roberts.

You are so full of *****. And you're also a liar.
Who is this particular "evolutionist" you're referring to? I'm sure you can
give us names, etc.? Remember, Google is your friend. Please present the
posts that back up your assertion.
You might have noticed by now, we don't let ***** slide here. Do try to keep
up.

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.
I believe that God created the solar system and the earth. However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

And you were told repeatedly the same thing by people you refer to as
"evolutionists". We don't know....yet.
Seriously, I had high hopes for you, but you're rapidly become the typical,
lying, dishonest theist we've come to know and loathe.
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
.

User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 07:56:15 AM

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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Hello,
We discussed this in another thread. None of the evolutionists (except
for
one) could explain to me how the matter that exploded during the big bang
came to be.
Each time he provided an answer--I would ask--
"How did that substance or substances you mentioned come to be?"
He eventually gave up once he must have realized that he would eventually
run out of answers.

You are so full of *****. And you're also a liar.

Who is this particular "evolutionist" you're referring to? I'm sure you
can give us names, etc.? Remember, Google is your friend. Please present
the posts that back up your assertion.

Why don't you simply provide an explaination instead of calling him
infantile names like a kindergardner fighting in a sandbox?
.

User: "L.Roberts"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 12:25:12 AM

Jason wrote:

In article <1132367016.838316.89...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.
And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

Well all that is neither here nor there (whatever that means).

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did, our middle aged sun, which is, I think, a g4
type star, was born, as I understand it, when a huge quantity of
cosmic gases (presumably created in the Big BANG) condensed in a
sufficient quantity as to set up such enormous gravitational pressure
at it's center that, well, it lit up like a candle, about 4.5 billion
years ago. Btw, you can learn all that in school in all states in the
U.S. (except Kansas) and many other countries around the world.
There are a number of ways that the Earth may have come to be, but I
doubt if any of them were, well, you know, magickal, at least not so
magickal as might be a magick genii twitching it nose or a god saying,
"Let there be a planet."

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth.

I don't believe that THAT god (or any other) exists period, hence...

However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

I guess that kind of puts us all in the same boat, we don't know how
all this got put together, but, we don't stand the chance of a snowball
in hell if we allow ourselves to be sidetrack into a sweet little
fairytale world which answers all of those questions children ask out
of curiousity.
L.Roberts.
{
snip
}
.

User: "L.Roberts"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 12:17:46 AM

Jason wrote:

In article <1132367016.838316.89...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.
Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.
And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

Well all that is neither here nor there (whatever that means).

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did, our middle aged sun, which is, I think, a g4
type star, was born, as I understand it, when a huge quantity of
cosmic gases (presumably created in to Big BANG) condensed in a
sufficient quantity as to set up such enormous gravitational pressure
at it's center that, well, it lit up like a candle, about 4.5 billion
years ago. Btw, you can learn all that in school in all states in the
U.S. (except Kansas) and many other countries around the world.
There are a number of ways that the Earth may have come to be, but I
doubt if any of them were, well, you know, magickal, at least not so
magickal as might be a magick genii twitching it nose or a god saying,
"Let there be a planet."

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth.

I don't believe that THAT god (or any other) exists period, hence...

However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

jason
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User: ""
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 12:01:12 AM

Jason wrote:

In article <1132367016.838316.89560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bill Gamelson wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132358572.794397.29080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Oh, and I forgot to address the first part of your post.

Evolution is a totally different process from a dirt cloud settling.

No it's not.

Yah huh!

The big bang theory began with the entire universe compressed
into the size of a pinpoint.

All that mass expanded outward from a
pinpoint. It eventually formed our known universe. It is the same senerio
as a dirt clod being blown to pieces and forming a perfect unity. That is
how pathetic the big bang is.

And yet this is the way scientists believe it all happened.

Well all that is neither here nor there (whatever that means).

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

I believe that God created the solar system and the earth.

I don't believe that THAT god (or any other) exists, period, hence...

However, when
people ask me--How did God come to be?--I have to say "I don't know."

I guess that kind of puts us all in the same boat, we don't KNOW how
all this got put together, but, I do feel that we don't stand the
chance of a snowball in hell of ever finding out if we allow ourselves
to be permanently sidetracked into a sweet little fairytale world which
answers all of those questions children ask out of curiousity.
L.Roberts.

jason

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User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 AM

<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:
The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:14:30 AM

"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe.

No, that's not the big bang. That's the Cyclical Universe.

When did that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did
all that mass come from in the first place?

All what mass? The net mass-energy of the universe is zero.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
.

User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:36:27 AM

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe.

No, that's not the big bang. That's the Cyclical Universe.

Ok, when did the cycle begin and how?
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:40:39 AM

"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in news:JDHff.34096
$0l5.28966@dukeread06:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe.

No, that's not the big bang. That's the Cyclical Universe.

Ok, when did the cycle begin and how?

The Cyclical Universe is not currently considered to be a viable theory.
But the general answer to your question is: "We don't know. You don't
either."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
.

User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:00:51 AM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<AcGff.33325$0l5.30920@dukeread06>:

<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132380072.717505.229560@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?

No, the age of the universe isn't very clear, but, if I recall
correctly, the current best estimate is about 13.5 billion years.
.

User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:33:54 AM

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<AcGff.33325$0l5.30920@dukeread06>:

<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132380072.717505.229560@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When
did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?

No, the age of the universe isn't very clear, but, if I recall
correctly, the current best estimate is about 13.5 billion years.

Is that before or after the Hubble telescope was able to see farther than no
man had ever seen before?
.

User: "Jason"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 09:56:41 AM

In article <kBHff.34064$0l5.20050@dukeread06>, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<AcGff.33325$0l5.30920@dukeread06>:

<mentalcase_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132380072.717505.229560@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When
did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that mass
come from in the first place?

No, the age of the universe isn't very clear, but, if I recall
correctly, the current best estimate is about 13.5 billion years.

Is that before or after the Hubble telescope was able to see farther than no
man had ever seen before?

I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation") about
the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the matter
that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused to
answer any questions about the film.
jason
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User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 10:39:25 AM

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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That's because he didn't have the answers.
.

User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 10:46:01 AM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:39:25 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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That's because he didn't have the answers.

"We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
than making up stories.
.

User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 10:56:24 AM

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation") about
the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the
matter
that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused to
answer any questions about the film.

That's because he didn't have the answers.

"We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
than making up stories.

Who's making up stories?
.

User: "Machque"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 11:03:02 AM

"Bill Gamelson" wrote
: "David Jensen" wrote
: >>> I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
: >>> evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
: >>> How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
: >>> should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation")
about
: >>> the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the
: >>> matter
: >>> that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused
to
: >>> answer any questions about the film.
: >>
: >>That's because he didn't have the answers.
: >>
: > "We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
: > than making up stories.
:
: Who's making up stories?
The authors of the bible.
.

User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 11:57:56 AM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:56:24 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<JOIff.35039$0l5.1473@dukeread06>:

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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I'll ask the same question that I asked to a group of advocates of
evolution. None of them gave me a great answer to this question:
How did the matter that exploded during the "big bang" come to be? I
should note that when I saw a film (based on "computer animation") about
the Big Bang theory, the narrator of the film never stated how the
matter
that exploded came to be. The professor that showed the film refused to
answer any questions about the film.

That's because he didn't have the answers.

"We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
than making up stories.

Who's making up stories?

Pick the storytellers who first told the many different creation myths.
.

User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 12:15:38 PM

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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That's because he didn't have the answers.

"We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
than making up stories.

Who's making up stories?

Pick the storytellers who first told the many different creation myths.

To answer that question, first it must be proven that they were myths.
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User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 03:57:15 PM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:15:38 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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That's because he didn't have the answers.

"We don't know the answer," is a perfectly good answer. It's much better
than making up stories.

Who's making up stories?

Pick the storytellers who first told the many different creation myths.

To answer that question, first it must be proven that they were myths.

Which ones have evidence to support them? Which ones are consistent with
the physical evidence?
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User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 04:17:23 PM

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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Who's making up stories?

Pick the storytellers who first told the many different creation myths.

To answer that question, first it must be proven that they were myths.

Which ones have evidence to support them? Which ones are consistent with
the physical evidence?

Compare the Big Bang with Genesis.
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User: "David Jensen"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 04:39:57 PM

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:17:23 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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Who's making up stories?

Pick the storytellers who first told the many different creation myths.

To answer that question, first it must be proven that they were myths.

Which ones have evidence to support them? Which ones are consistent with
the physical evidence?

Compare the Big Bang with Genesis.

Genesis makes no explanation how the universe, as it works today, began.
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User: "Jesus Sucks"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 10:24:09 AM

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <kBHff.34064$0l5.20050@dukeread06>, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:

"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:59:14 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Jason wrote:

The solar system and earth had to have a beginning point.

They most certainly did,

Then explain this:

The big bang over trillions of years involves a perpetual motion of
expansion and contaction and expansion again into a new universe. When
did
that perpeual motion begin, how did it begin, and where did all that
mass
come from in the first place?

No, the age of the universe isn't very clear, but, if I recall
correctly, the current best estimate is about 13.5 billion years.

Is that before or after the Hubble telescope was able to see farther than
no
man had ever seen before?

I'm sure the professor did answered your question, just not to your
satisfaction. The only answer that is acceptable to you is that it came from
god. There is really no way of knowing where it originally came from. All we
can do is speculate because it is here. Why can't you grasp that it has just
always been? You don't seem to have a problem with god always being. I can
very easily say that there is another universe outside of our known universe
and outside that one is another and another and so on. Can it ever be proved
or disproved? No. Therefore it is pointless.
You do the same thing when you try to justify your beliefs. Can god ever be
proven or disproven? Yes. But only if god comes and proves himself. Which
surely he is capable of doing. Attacking science is not going to prove his
existence. Quoting biblical crap is not going to prove his existence. What
is really your point of asking this question. Are you so unsure of your
faith that you have to ask questions that the only possible answer is "who
knows?" So you think you have the right answer because you can say "god did
it?" Or do you think that as part of your faith you should try to convert as
many people as possible and the only way you can think of is by showing your
lack of intelligence? Get it through your head. We don't care if you believe
in fairy tales. Just leave it in your church or home.
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User: "Bill Gamelson"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 10:50:01 AM

"Jesus Sucks" <Jesus@sucks.*****> wrote in message
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I'm sure the professor did answered your question, just not to your
satisfaction.

Isn't that amazing! Someone who wasn't there seems to know more about what
the professor said or didn't say than someone who was there.

The only answer that is acceptable to you is that it came from god.

Who also can read minds and can bring forth every thought process from
within.

There is really no way of knowing where it originally came from. All we
can do is speculate because it is here.

Thankyou for confirming that all atheists can do is speculate that there is
no God.

Why can't you grasp that it has just always been? You don't seem to have a
problem with god always being. I can very easily say that there is another
universe outside of our known universe and outside that one is another and
another and so on. Can it ever be proved or disproved? No. Therefore it is
pointless.

The big difference however is that nobody devotes their time and energy
debating this subject if it is brought up.

You do the same thing when you try to justify your beliefs. Can god ever
be proven or disproven? Yes. But only if god comes and proves himself.
Which surely he is capable of doing.

But then if he did that, then faith would be destroyed and it is by faith
that we are saved.

Attacking science is not going to prove his existence.

Attacking Christianity is not going to prove atheism.

Quoting biblical crap is not going to prove his existence.

Quoting atheistic beliefs is not going to prove God doesn't exist.

What is really your point of asking this question.

What is yours?

Are you so unsure of your faith that you have to ask questions that the
only possible answer is "who knows?"

Are you so unsure of your faith that you must constantly question
Christianity and the Bible?

So you think you have the right answer because you can say "god did it?"

It is what he believes. Atheists seem to have a major problem with this.

Or do you think that as part of your faith you should try to convert as
many people as possible and the only way you can think of is by showing
your lack of intelligence?

Why must you inject premises into questions, then expect an answer to your
loaded questions?

Get it through your head. We don't care if you believe in fairy tales.

Yes you do. You're proving that right now.
Just leave it in your church or home.
He is more than welcome to post his thoughts here on alt.religion.christian.
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User: "Jason"
Title: Re: Question for "Evolutionists"	19 Nov 2005 12:07:53 PM

In article <IIIff.34961$0l5.3134@dukeread06>, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote: