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"Jos Flachs" |
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29 Dec 2004 08:06:15 AM |
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question for Jason |
Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
Did this, according to you, actually happen? If yes, why don't all the
gospels mention this? And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
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| Title: Re: question for Jason |
29 Dec 2004 01:21:29 PM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
Did this, according to you, actually happen? If yes, why don't all
the
gospels mention this? And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
Ceasar Augustus really organised censuses three times. I think that all
historians agree about it.
http://www.roman-britain.org/people/augustus.htm
Herrod was his vassal king, so I do not see anything unusual in
requiring that Judea participate in census.
However, the remain of the story described in Luke and Mathew is in a
contradiction with a history.
http://www.geocities.com/logic_faith/date_of_birth_jesus_christ.htm
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: question for Jason |
30 Dec 2004 03:16:15 AM |
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
Did this, according to you, actually happen?
Yes.
If yes, why don't all the
gospels mention this?
The gospels were designed to give us the complete story from different
angles. They were supposed to be used in a way that they could all tell
one, inerrant, congruent story; and they do. However, there are certain
details omitted. Omissions are not errors, though. It's quite reasonable
for one author to miss a detail or two here and there.
And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
This was already answered. The Jews were living under Roman rule and this
census was in order to tax them.
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
God takes some of the credit for influencing the census since Jesus being
born in Bethlehem was a fulfilled, Messianic, biblical prophecy.
Regards,
Jason
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: question for Jason |
30 Dec 2004 07:20:16 AM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:16:15 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
Did this, according to you, actually happen?
Yes.
If yes, why don't all the
gospels mention this?
The gospels were designed to give us the complete story from different
angles. They were supposed to be used in a way that they could all tell
one, inerrant, congruent story; and they do.
No Jason, they do not. They have multiple contradictions.
And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
This was already answered. The Jews were living under Roman rule and this
census was in order to tax them.
Yet the Jews weren't subject to such a tax.
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
God takes some of the credit for influencing the census since Jesus being
born in Bethlehem was a fulfilled, Messianic, biblical prophecy.
No such prophecy exists. Micah 5:2 is about the TRIBE called
Bethlehem, not the city. All HONEST biblical scholars admit this. You
clearly are a liar.
Don
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: question for Jason |
30 Dec 2004 11:07:41 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
Did this, according to you, actually happen?
Yes.
If yes, why don't all the
gospels mention this?
The gospels were designed to give us the complete story from different
angles.
Purest *****.
Mark tells us jesus appeared to two disciples, then
teh elevebn apostles hiding ina room in Jerusaelm.
he speaks the tyhem and then ascendds to heave,
Matthew tells us no, the apostles were told
to god to Galilee and Jesus does not meet them in Jerusalem.
Luke tells us something different.
John that Jesu smet them in Jeruslem, but did not ascend
to heaven as per Mark. They then go to Galilee.
No ascenion to heaven from Bethany as Luke has it.
This is not a complete story.
Its four big sets of made up lies.
Did three women go to the tomb and flee and tell no man?
Or was it one woman who went and told two apostles who
believed her? Or 5 or more who told eleven, not two who
did not believe them at all? Or was it wo who told the
eleven and was believed and who all went to Galilee as
commanded?
Christianity at heart is total ***** and nothing but *****.
They were supposed to be used in a way that they could all tell
one, inerrant, congruent story; and they do. However, there are certain
details omitted. Omissions are not errors, though. It's quite reasonable
for one author to miss a detail or two here and there.
And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
This was already answered. The Jews were living under Roman rule and this
census was in order to tax them.
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
God takes some of the credit for influencing the census since Jesus being
born in Bethlehem was a fulfilled, Messianic, biblical prophecy.
Regards,
Jason
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Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: question for Jason |
29 Dec 2004 05:18:23 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:06:15 +0700 the ET form known as Jos Flachs
<"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com><Jos Flachs <"wcruise"@ksc15.th.com>> sent a
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Jason,
I'd like to hear your opinion about the famous census held by the
emperor that necessitated Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem.
I believe a census happened in about 6CE.
Did this, according to you, actually happen? If yes, why don't all the
gospels mention this? And if yes, where did the emperor get the
authority to do so, over a foreign nation?
By then I Rome had dominion over Judea. The client kings like Heard
had been dismissed.
And again, if yes: what would be the need, for the emperor?
Tax. In order to extract tribute from a province you have to know how
many people live there.
Or would it be that god made him do it, just like he hardened pharaoh
not to let the hebrews go?
Like King David when God/Satan made him to do a census (2 Sam 24:1, 1
Chron 21:1) thus proving that God and Satan are the same being.
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