Religions > Atheism > Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
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29 Aug 2006 08:53:07 PM |
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Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter? |
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
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31 Aug 2006 09:22:29 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
JERRY
Pffft! How can any human being be a "real threat to the god of this
world," if that god is really omniscient and omnipotent?
Must be a pretty limp god to have to worry about someone like Davey.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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03 Sep 2006 03:59:59 AM |
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rogue wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
JERRY
Pffft! How can any human being be a "real threat to the god of this
world," if that god is really omniscient and omnipotent?
Must be a pretty limp god to have to worry about someone like Davey.
I think BB was referring to Satan as 'the god of this world.'
I disagree with BB as to Davey's capacity to create fear in TGOTW.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter? |
04 Sep 2006 07:34:44 AM |
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On 3 Sep 2006 01:59:59 -0700, "Tom McDonald" <kiltmac@gmail.com>
wrote:
rogue wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
JERRY
Pffft! How can any human being be a "real threat to the god of this
world," if that god is really omniscient and omnipotent?
Must be a pretty limp god to have to worry about someone like Davey.
I think BB was referring to Satan as 'the god of this world.'
I disagree with BB as to Davey's capacity to create fear in TGOTW.
Tom,
Good to see your words! Long time no see.
Satan is the (little "g") god of this world. The threat I was
referring to was not the person; but his three fold ministry - steal,
kill and destroy. Davey is an ambassador for Christ. Ambassadors are
able to deliver the word of reconciliation via the ministry of
reconciliation. Those who believe (submit to and act on) the word of
reconcilation presented by the ambassador become saved and defeat the
ministry of the god of this world.
Despite his flaws, Davey is the one in the group named that manifests
(as best we can tell in posts) a genuine love for God. The others
are self serving. While they may all be saved, they do not all serve.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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04 Sep 2006 11:44:54 AM |
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Tom McDonald wrote:
rogue wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
JERRY
Pffft! How can any human being be a "real threat to the god of this
world," if that god is really omniscient and omnipotent?
Must be a pretty limp god to have to worry about someone like Davey.
I think BB was referring to Satan as 'the god of this world.'
I disagree with BB as to Davey's capacity to create fear in TGOTW.
You are quite right. Only Jesus has this victory.
Davey
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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04 Sep 2006 12:08:06 PM |
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On 4 Sep 2006 09:44:54 -0700, "Uncle Davey"
<jerzy.jakubowski@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom McDonald wrote:
rogue wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
JERRY
Pffft! How can any human being be a "real threat to the god of this
world," if that god is really omniscient and omnipotent?
Must be a pretty limp god to have to worry about someone like Davey.
I think BB was referring to Satan as 'the god of this world.'
I disagree with BB as to Davey's capacity to create fear in TGOTW.
You are quite right. Only Jesus has this victory.
Davey
Davey,
I clarified in another post that I was referring to Satan's ministry;
not Satan himself.
We are the body of Christ and any victory accomplished by the head
through the body is a victory for the body because we are all one in
Christ.
With regard to creating fear in the god of this world. Man can not
create anything especially in the king of fear.
Were the disciples wrong when they said?
Luke 10:17-18 KJV
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the
devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from
heaven.
Below the word "world" is not from "aion" or "kosmos" or "ge" but from
"oikoumeno" - the inhabited world under the jurisdiction of the god of
this world.
Acts 17:6 KJV
6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren
unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world
upside down are come hither also;
When any believer leads an unbeliever to salvation or in some other
way possitively influences a believer or unbeliever through the love
of God it is a victory for the whole body - a member added to the body
or a member of the body strengthened is gain for the body.
While you (and I) do not walk as Christ walked 100% of the time; I
know (in my heart) that you desire to; and that is what makes the
difference. Yes, you have displayed some pettiness from time to time.
But so what. We are all stubborn from time to time. Even the great
apostle Paul was known to get stubborn and we like he suffer
consequences for those errors in judgement.
God looks at the heart and can work with one that is willing to learn.
You have manifested that ability more than once and you have
manifested the ability to love others without personal gain. I stand
on what I said. While we may not agree on many things and while some
times I am ashamed at what you do; I am still proud to be your brother
in Christ.
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter? |
29 Aug 2006 11:43:16 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor SteveWinter? |
01 Sep 2006 06:21:46 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
There was no kindness in Bob's words. It frightens me that you could be
"warmed" while somebody's being abused simply because some praise for
you was buried within the abuse.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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04 Sep 2006 11:46:09 AM |
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Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
There was no kindness in Bob's words. It frightens me that you could be
"warmed" while somebody's being abused simply because some praise for
you was buried within the abuse.
I meant the words that were referring to me, and I would have thought
that was clear from the context.
Davey
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor SteveWinter? |
04 Sep 2006 04:39:44 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
There was no kindness in Bob's words. It frightens me that you could be
"warmed" while somebody's being abused simply because some praise for
you was buried within the abuse.
I meant the words that were referring to me, and I would have thought
that was clear from the context.
Davey
Right...the words which were buried within the abuse of another person.
Incredible.
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| User: "Dave" |
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04 Sep 2006 08:47:35 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
There was no kindness in Bob's words. It frightens me that you could be
"warmed" while somebody's being abused simply because some praise for
you was buried within the abuse.
I meant the words that were referring to me, and I would have thought
that was clear from the context.
Davey
Right...the words which were buried within the abuse of another person.
Incredible.
Yep. Pays no attention to that whooshing sound as long as the pride
gets fed...
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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04 Sep 2006 09:06:18 PM |
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Dave wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0700, wrote:
My cousin "Bible John Wolf" asks this question.
Why does Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter?
My cousin and I would agree that Dave spends allot of time on Gastrich,
my cousin, Weatherly, and Davey. But he does not spend the time
"exposing" the other christian ministers that post here.
Angelo
John,
You need to get control of your multiple personality disorder. It is
affecting your thinking and reasoning abilities. On a scale from 1 to
10, Davey is a 8, Jason a 5, Weatherly a 2, you a 1, and Steve a -1.
Steve is not worth bothering with, you are entertaining, Weatherly is
harmless, Jason is smarter and better than you, and Davey is a real
threat to the god of this world.
Much as I am warmed by the kindness of your words, I must remind one
and all that only Jesus carries the victory over the prince of this
world. And indeed He already has that victory, which is why the
adversary is prowling around like a roaring lion, as Peter wrote. He
knows that his time is short.
God bless,
Davey
There was no kindness in Bob's words. It frightens me that you could be
"warmed" while somebody's being abused simply because some praise for
you was buried within the abuse.
I meant the words that were referring to me, and I would have thought
that was clear from the context.
Davey
Right...the words which were buried within the abuse of another person.
Incredible.
Yep. Pays no attention to that whooshing sound as long as the pride
gets fed...
It'd be funny if it weren't so immoral. It's just so numbingly typical
of most of the Christians here. As long as their opinion is king, and
as long as their needs for control/superiority/venting of bile/or
whatever is met, it makes no difference that those needs are met at
somebody else's expense. It's almost depressing.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?KioqV2j2c/ZldmVyKioq?=" |
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04 Sep 2006 09:19:39 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
It'd be funny if it weren't so immoral.
"Immoral"? That descriptor seems a bit melodramatic!
It's just so numbingly typical
of most of the Christians here. As long as their opinion is king, and
as long as their needs for control/superiority/venting of bile/or
whatever is met, it makes no difference that those needs are met at
somebody else's expense.
Of course the agnostics, atheists, and those who fit in the "other"
slot would never do any of the "immoral" deeds on Usenet that you have
described, would they?
It's almost depressing.
I hear St. John's Wort works well. Then again, if one puts Usenet into
it's proper perspective the depression then starts to lift almost
instantaneously...
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| User: "Dave" |
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04 Sep 2006 10:27:53 PM |
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***Wh=F6s=F6ever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
It'd be funny if it weren't so immoral.
"Immoral"? That descriptor seems a bit melodramatic!
"Immoral" is a fair descriptor. "Melodramatic" could be considered
rather melodramatic, all by itself.
It's just so numbingly typical
of most of the Christians here. As long as their opinion is king, and
as long as their needs for control/superiority/venting of bile/or
whatever is met, it makes no difference that those needs are met at
somebody else's expense.
Of course the agnostics, atheists, and those who fit in the "other"
slot would never do any of the "immoral" deeds on Usenet that you have
described, would they?
I guess I have to ask, again: By what standard should Christian
behavior be judged or evaluated? Are the "agnostics, athiests, and
those who fit in the 'other' slot" the measure by which Christians
behave in newsgroups (or anywhere else, for that matter)? As much as
Christians would like, they don't have the luxury of complaining that
other people are engaging in unsavory behavior, so that justifies their
own.
It's almost depressing.
I hear St. John's Wort works well. Then again, if one puts Usenet into
it's proper perspective the depression then starts to lift almost
instantaneously...
The proper perspective of Usenet is that it's another part of real life
and a form of human interaction, no more or less valid than any other.
It has its peculiarities, but that doesn't mean that we discount what
occurs within it. That's the reality. Christians participating in
Usenet are no less responsible to the standards that they represent
than they would be in any other venue. Being in Usenet is not an
excuse for "Christians behaving badly."
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?KioqV2j2c/ZldmVyKioq?=" |
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04 Sep 2006 11:07:21 PM |
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Dave wrote:
"Immoral" is a fair descriptor.
Unethical, maybe. Immoral? Nah. At least not with what I perceive JM
was referring to.
"Melodramatic" could be considered
rather melodramatic, all by itself.
Not if you view melodrama as being overstated. Using "immoral" in this
case I would say was overstated.
I guess I have to ask, again: By what standard should Christian
behavior be judged or evaluated?
From my understanding of what Christ would say, the long and short of
it is this:
Do the best you can to live up to the standards He gave to us. Will a
Christian fail at this? Frequently. Is that considered a failure to
the Son of God? If we are His, then not at all. Fact is, God loves us
warts and all. Knowing our hearts is key - and no one knows our hearts
better than the Creator. I can sit here all day and try to tell those
who don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them what the love of
God is about but unless you have the Holy Spirit within you, you're not
gonna get it. Living without Christ's atonement is like living with
blinders on. Now, this is a very long answer to a very short question
I know, but my point is this: standards that man has put in place have
nothing to do with grace, but with mercy. With Christ as our Savior,
the standards that God has put in place have everything to do with
grace rather than mercy. Grace is being given by God what we don't
deserve, mercy is being given by God what we do. Man's love is finite,
God's love is infinite. We will never totally get it right, and many
of us will make mistakes and grievous errors along the way. In the
70's a popular Christian bumper-sticker said: Christians aren't
perfect, they're forgiven. Trite, but true.
Are the "agnostics, athiests, and
those who fit in the 'other' slot" the measure by which Christians
behave in newsgroups (or anywhere else, for that matter)? As much as
Christians would like, they don't have the luxury of complaining that
other people are engaging in unsavory behavior, so that justifies their
own.
I hope you don't think that I was implying that because the
non-Christians do it it's okay for me? THAT was not my intention at
all!
The proper perspective of Usenet is that it's another part of real life
and a form of human interaction, no more or less valid than any other.
I disagree. It's not real human interaction on many levels. There's
an anonymity factor here on Usenet that makes it dishonest from the
get-go. One could communicate to those whom they believe to be three
completely different individuals when in fact they are communicating
with the same person, just under different names. Someone could
portray themselves as a 60 year old man when in fact they are a 16 year
old boy. The possibilities are endless. I know that I don't reveal
anywhere near the depth of who I am in these groups, and I'm sure I'm
not alone. Human interaction is vocal, and tangible, and aural, and
visual. Not typed words on a computer screen, and certainly not those
with whom I argue as a diversion on Usenet.
It has its peculiarities, but that doesn't mean that we discount what
occurs within it. That's the reality. Christians participating in
Usenet are no less responsible to the standards that they represent
than they would be in any other venue. Being in Usenet is not an
excuse for "Christians behaving badly."
Never said it was. Now Weatherly and Wolf on the other hand...
;-)
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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05 Sep 2006 08:24:13 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Dave wrote:
"Immoral" is a fair descriptor.
Unethical, maybe. Immoral? Nah. At least not with what I perceive JM
was referring to.
So "unethical" fairly describes what I've observed here? And, you're
okay with that, are you? You're okay with being described as
"unethical", just as long as you're not considered "immoral"?
"Melodramatic" could be considered
rather melodramatic, all by itself.
Not if you view melodrama as being overstated. Using "immoral" in this
case I would say was overstated.
I guess I have to ask, again: By what standard should Christian
behavior be judged or evaluated?
From my understanding of what Christ would say, the long and short of
it is this:
Do the best you can to live up to the standards He gave to us. Will a
Christian fail at this? Frequently. Is that considered a failure to
the Son of God? If we are His, then not at all. Fact is, God loves us
warts and all. Knowing our hearts is key - and no one knows our hearts
better than the Creator. I can sit here all day and try to tell those
who don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them what the love of
God is about but unless you have the Holy Spirit within you, you're not
gonna get it. Living without Christ's atonement is like living with
blinders on. Now, this is a very long answer to a very short question
I know, but my point is this: standards that man has put in place have
nothing to do with grace, but with mercy. With Christ as our Savior,
the standards that God has put in place have everything to do with
grace rather than mercy. Grace is being given by God what we don't
deserve, mercy is being given by God what we do. Man's love is finite,
God's love is infinite. We will never totally get it right, and many
of us will make mistakes and grievous errors along the way. In the
70's a popular Christian bumper-sticker said: Christians aren't
perfect, they're forgiven. Trite, but true.
Funny...I see no mention of "repentance" in your theology.
Are the "agnostics, athiests, and
those who fit in the 'other' slot" the measure by which Christians
behave in newsgroups (or anywhere else, for that matter)? As much as
Christians would like, they don't have the luxury of complaining that
other people are engaging in unsavory behavior, so that justifies their
own.
I hope you don't think that I was implying that because the
non-Christians do it it's okay for me? THAT was not my intention at
all!
No. But you did perform your defense-of-choice: deflection. It came in
the form of "Oh yeah? Well, you're no better!"
The proper perspective of Usenet is that it's another part of real life
and a form of human interaction, no more or less valid than any other.
I disagree. It's not real human interaction on many levels. There's
an anonymity factor here on Usenet that makes it dishonest from the
get-go. One could communicate to those whom they believe to be three
completely different individuals when in fact they are communicating
with the same person, just under different names. Someone could
portray themselves as a 60 year old man when in fact they are a 16 year
old boy. The possibilities are endless. I know that I don't reveal
anywhere near the depth of who I am in these groups, and I'm sure I'm
not alone. Human interaction is vocal, and tangible, and aural, and
visual. Not typed words on a computer screen, and certainly not those
with whom I argue as a diversion on Usenet.
In other words, valuable interaction is being stymied by people who lie
and cheat and deceive. I think I have a solution to that. Don't lie,
cheat, or deceive; and don't bother with people who lie, cheat, and
deceive. How tough is that?
It has its peculiarities, but that doesn't mean that we discount what
occurs within it. That's the reality. Christians participating in
Usenet are no less responsible to the standards that they represent
than they would be in any other venue. Being in Usenet is not an
excuse for "Christians behaving badly."
Never said it was. Now Weatherly and Wolf on the other hand...
Never *admitted*, you mean. Your behavior indicates otherwise.
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05 Sep 2006 09:20:59 AM |
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Just Mark wrote:
So "unethical" fairly describes what I've observed here? And, you're
okay with that, are you? You're okay with being described as
"unethical", just as long as you're not considered "immoral"?
(sigh)
That's not what I said - and you know it.
Funny...I see no mention of "repentance" in your theology.
Can't get forgiven without repentance.
No. But you did perform your defense-of-choice: deflection. It came in
the form of "Oh yeah? Well, you're no better!"
Wasn't talking to you. I was answering Dave. Unless, of course, you
are also Dave?
In other words, valuable interaction is being stymied by people who lie
and cheat and deceive. I think I have a solution to that. Don't lie,
cheat, or deceive; and don't bother with people who lie, cheat, and
deceive. How tough is that?
Interesting. Yesterday and the day before you were telling me that *I*
was reading into things. Now *you* are...
Why?
Never *admitted*, you mean. Your behavior indicates otherwise.
Au contraire mon fraire! I have admitted on more than one occasion
that I have behaved badly here.
(You have a short memory for someone so young - must be all that stress
from your studies, I guess)
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05 Sep 2006 11:01:34 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
So "unethical" fairly describes what I've observed here? And, you're
okay with that, are you? You're okay with being described as
"unethical", just as long as you're not considered "immoral"?
(sigh)
That's not what I said - and you know it.
Funny...I see no mention of "repentance" in your theology.
Can't get forgiven without repentance.
No. But you did perform your defense-of-choice: deflection. It came in
the form of "Oh yeah? Well, you're no better!"
Wasn't talking to you. I was answering Dave. Unless, of course, you
are also Dave?
Your initial response was to me, Dave chimed in, you replied to Dave and
referred to me in your reply, I chimed in. Sounds like a trialogue.
What's the problem with that?
In other words, valuable interaction is being stymied by people who lie
and cheat and deceive. I think I have a solution to that. Don't lie,
cheat, or deceive; and don't bother with people who lie, cheat, and
deceive. How tough is that?
Interesting. Yesterday and the day before you were telling me that *I*
was reading into things. Now *you* are...
Why?
To demonstrate what it's like. Now that you've experienced it, what do
you think of it?
Never *admitted*, you mean. Your behavior indicates otherwise.
Au contraire mon fraire! I have admitted on more than one occasion
that I have behaved badly here.
(You have a short memory for someone so young - must be all that stress
from your studies, I guess)
You're only half right. I am a life-long student; I'm not so young.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?KioqV2j2c/ZldmVyKioq?=" |
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05 Sep 2006 07:34:16 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
No. But you did perform your defense-of-choice: deflection. It came in
the form of "Oh yeah? Well, you're no better!"
Wasn't talking to you. I was answering Dave. Unless, of course, you
are also Dave?
Your initial response was to me, Dave chimed in, you replied to Dave and
referred to me in your reply, I chimed in. Sounds like a trialogue.
What's the problem with that?
No problem, really. I'm just pointing out that the response I gave
wasn't directed at you. I found it interesting why you seemed to think
you needed to answer a part of the conversation that didn't directly
involve you, that's all.
Interesting. Yesterday and the day before you were telling me that *I*
was reading into things. Now *you* are...
Why?
To demonstrate what it's like. Now that you've experienced it, what do
you think of it?
You're being childish.
Never *admitted*, you mean. Your behavior indicates otherwise.
Au contraire mon fraire! I have admitted on more than one occasion
that I have behaved badly here.
(You have a short memory for someone so young - must be all that stress
from your studies, I guess)
You're only half right. I am a life-long student; I'm not so young.
Okay, you're not so young.
Nice way to divert the topic, though.
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06 Sep 2006 08:25:35 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
No. But you did perform your defense-of-choice: deflection. It came in
the form of "Oh yeah? Well, you're no better!"
Wasn't talking to you. I was answering Dave. Unless, of course, you
are also Dave?
Your initial response was to me, Dave chimed in, you replied to Dave and
referred to me in your reply, I chimed in. Sounds like a trialogue.
What's the problem with that?
No problem, really. I'm just pointing out that the response I gave
wasn't directed at you. I found it interesting why you seemed to think
you needed to answer a part of the conversation that didn't directly
involve you, that's all.
And I think it's interesting that you feel the need to bring it up.
Since Dave was the actual "interloper" in the conversation, and then you
mentioned me in your reply to him, why should my act of chiming in hold
any significance for you? Do I really bother you that much?
Interesting. Yesterday and the day before you were telling me that *I*
was reading into things. Now *you* are...
Why?
To demonstrate what it's like. Now that you've experienced it, what do
you think of it?
You're being childish.
Indeed, it was a childish technique. Never the less, I chose it
purposefully. I was hoping you'd recognize it...and you did.
Unfortunately, the process got detoured a bit by your ever-present
technique of labeling.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?KioqV2j2c/ZldmVyKioq?=" |
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06 Sep 2006 09:14:21 AM |
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Just Mark wrote:
And I think it's interesting that you feel the need to bring it up.
Since Dave was the actual "interloper" in the conversation, and then you
mentioned me in your reply to him, why should my act of chiming in hold
any significance for you? Do I really bother you that much?
You're baiting me, right? That's baiting, isn't it? Huh?
LOL.
Indeed, it was a childish technique. Never the less, I chose it
purposefully. I was hoping you'd recognize it...and you did.
Unfortunately, the process got detoured a bit by your ever-present
technique of labeling.
Pointing out to someone a particular behavior they were engaging in is
hardly "labeling". Labeling would be if I'd said "Just Mark, you are a
reader-into-things-er person". See? The label then would be
"reader-into-things-er". I attached no label to you!
If you'd been REALLY paying attention you would notice that I am one of
the non-labelers in these groups. I really hate labeling...
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07 Sep 2006 08:04:50 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
And I think it's interesting that you feel the need to bring it up.
Since Dave was the actual "interloper" in the conversation, and then you
mentioned me in your reply to him, why should my act of chiming in hold
any significance for you? Do I really bother you that much?
You're baiting me, right? That's baiting, isn't it? Huh?
LOL.
Indeed, it was a childish technique. Never the less, I chose it
purposefully. I was hoping you'd recognize it...and you did.
Unfortunately, the process got detoured a bit by your ever-present
technique of labeling.
Pointing out to someone a particular behavior they were engaging in is
hardly "labeling". Labeling would be if I'd said "Just Mark, you are a
reader-into-things-er person". See? The label then would be
"reader-into-things-er". I attached no label to you!
If you'd been REALLY paying attention you would notice that I am one of
the non-labelers in these groups. I really hate labeling...
LOL! Yeah, right... [wipes eyes] hooboy... Always good to start the
day out with a belly laugh.
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05 Sep 2006 04:13:25 AM |
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Dave wrote:
***Wh=F6s=F6ever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
It'd be funny if it weren't so immoral.
"Immoral"? That descriptor seems a bit melodramatic!
"Immoral" is a fair descriptor. "Melodramatic" could be considered
rather melodramatic, all by itself.
It's just so numbingly typical
of most of the Christians here. As long as their opinion is king, and
as long as their needs for control/superiority/venting of bile/or
whatever is met, it makes no difference that those needs are met at
somebody else's expense.
Of course the agnostics, atheists, and those who fit in the "other"
slot would never do any of the "immoral" deeds on Usenet that you have
described, would they?
I guess I have to ask, again: By what standard should Christian
behavior be judged or evaluated? Are the "agnostics, athiests, and
those who fit in the 'other' slot" the measure by which Christians
behave in newsgroups (or anywhere else, for that matter)? As much as
Christians would like, they don't have the luxury of complaining that
other people are engaging in unsavory behavior, so that justifies their
own.
It's almost depressing.
I hear St. John's Wort works well. Then again, if one puts Usenet into
it's proper perspective the depression then starts to lift almost
instantaneously...
The proper perspective of Usenet is that it's another part of real life
and a form of human interaction, no more or less valid than any other.
It has its peculiarities, but that doesn't mean that we discount what
occurs within it. That's the reality. Christians participating in
Usenet are no less responsible to the standards that they represent
than they would be in any other venue. Being in Usenet is not an
excuse for "Christians behaving badly."
I did not use to agree with you on this last point, but over time I
have come to the view that this may in fact be correct.
Davey
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05 Sep 2006 08:17:10 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
It'd be funny if it weren't so immoral.
"Immoral"? That descriptor seems a bit melodramatic!
Rationalize it away if you want to. It is what it is.
It's just so numbingly typical
of most of the Christians here. As long as their opinion is king, and
as long as their needs for control/superiority/venting of bile/or
whatever is met, it makes no difference that those needs are met at
somebody else's expense.
Of course the agnostics, atheists, and those who fit in the "other"
slot would never do any of the "immoral" deeds on Usenet that you have
described, would they?
Is it unreasonable to expect the Christians in "free.christians" to act
like Christ? To expect them to be hopeful and encouraging? Is it
unreasonable to be disappointed in them when they not only aren't
hopeful and encouraging and Christlike, but are hopeless, discouraging,
and immoral?
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give
the reason for the hope that you have." I infer from this that a
Christian's life should display hope in the first place, then inquiry
can take place. Have you never wondered why I don't ask you about your
hope? Or why I don't ask you to tell me about Jesus? Or why I only ask
you about your negative behavior? I see no hope in the part of your
life on display here. I read no hope communicated in your words. I
perceive no hope in your attitudes. You provide no infusion of hope
into this group, or the lives of the people you pursue.
In my opinion, this group of Christians does so much harm, not only to
their own cause but also to the general condition of human decency, that
free.christians ought to be shut down and never resurrected.
It's almost depressing.
I hear St. John's Wort works well. Then again, if one puts Usenet into
it's proper perspective the depression then starts to lift almost
instantaneously...
Every form of communication presents an opportunity for helpers. We can
always offer our warmth, acceptance, and understanding no matter what
the mode's limitations may be.
The anonymity of Usenet should never be used as an excuse to tear
somebody else down, or become something worse than we are, or just
behave poorly in general.
St. John's Wort... You just go ahead an keep making your smarmy little
quips. One day, somebody's going follow that advice and end up dead.
Know of anybody on HIV drugs (Crixivan, Viracept, Agenerase, for
example)? Or maybe somebody who just had an organ transplant and is
taking Neoral? How about maybe somebody who's already taking an A/D,
especially an MAOI, or a serotonin agonist? Or perhaps somebody who
just drinks too much?
I'll say it again: Stick to what you know.
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05 Sep 2006 09:13:38 AM |
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Just Mark wrote:
St. John's Wort... You just go ahead an keep making your smarmy little
quips.
Smarmy? LOL! I'm starting to think you might be gay, Just Mark. You
are quite the drama queen...
One day, somebody's going follow that advice and end up dead.
Yep! Drama Queen...
Know of anybody on HIV drugs (Crixivan, Viracept, Agenerase, for
example)?
Yes I do.
Or maybe somebody who just had an organ transplant and is
taking Neoral?
Nope.
How about maybe somebody who's already taking an A/D,
especially an MAOI, or a serotonin agonist?
Yep.
Or perhaps somebody who
just drinks too much?
Oh most definitely.
I'll say it again: Stick to what you know.
LOL! You have not one nth of a degree of knowledge about what I know.
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05 Sep 2006 11:16:36 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
St. John's Wort... You just go ahead an keep making your smarmy little
quips.
Smarmy? LOL! I'm starting to think you might be gay, Just Mark. You
are quite the drama queen...
One day, somebody's going follow that advice and end up dead.
Yep! Drama Queen...
Fatal drug interactions are FUNNY to you? People who offer cautionary
information are worthy of ridicule?
Know of anybody on HIV drugs (Crixivan, Viracept, Agenerase, for
example)?
Yes I do.
St. John's Wort blocks the action of those drugs, rendering them
ineffective.
Or maybe somebody who just had an organ transplant and is
taking Neoral?
Nope.
St. John's Wort renders Neoral ineffective.
How about maybe somebody who's already taking an A/D,
especially an MAOI, or a serotonin agonist?
Yep.
NEVER take SJW with an MAOI. Additionally, SJW has potentiates
selective serotonin agonists, resulting serotonin syndrome...which ain't
pretty.
Or perhaps somebody who
just drinks too much?
Oh most definitely.
Recommend SJW to 'em, and say "bye bye".
I'll say it again: Stick to what you know.
LOL! You have not one nth of a degree of knowledge about what I know.
So, are you saying that you knew that it's a potentially fatal mistake
to recommend any drug, supplement, or ligand without understanding its
pharmacokinetics and the pharmacodynamics within the system? Yet you
recommended it anyway?
Or are you just out of smart ***** comments?
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05 Sep 2006 07:39:42 PM |
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Just Mark wrote:
Fatal drug interactions are FUNNY to you? People who offer cautionary
information are worthy of ridicule?
when did you offer "cautionary information"?
Answer: YOU DIDN'T
See below:
Know of anybody on HIV drugs (Crixivan, Viracept, Agenerase, for
example)?
Yes I do.
St. John's Wort blocks the action of those drugs, rendering them
ineffective.
Or maybe somebody who just had an organ transplant and is
taking Neoral?
Nope.
St. John's Wort renders Neoral ineffective.
How about maybe somebody who's already taking an A/D,
especially an MAOI, or a serotonin agonist?
Yep.
NEVER take SJW with an MAOI. Additionally, SJW has potentiates
selective serotonin agonists, resulting serotonin syndrome...which ain't
pretty.
Fine. That wasn't the topic of the conversation. If you expected a
different response, letting me in your hidden expectation would have
been helpful.
Or perhaps somebody who
just drinks too much?
Oh most definitely.
Recommend SJW to 'em, and say "bye bye".
Okay...again - you set me up to fail with your hidden expectation to
know what you were getting at. Why did you do that?
So, are you saying that you knew that it's a potentially fatal mistake
to recommend any drug, supplement, or ligand without understanding its
pharmacokinetics and the pharmacodynamics within the system? Yet you
recommended it anyway?
See above. And I will ask again: why did you do that?
Or are you just out of smart ***** comments?
I'm not sure. Are you?
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06 Sep 2006 09:05:39 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
Fatal drug interactions are FUNNY to you? People who offer cautionary
information are worthy of ridicule?
when did you offer "cautionary information"?
Answer: YOU DIDN'T
Umm...yeah...I did. And a real helping professional (which you, by
virtue of your ordination, claim to be) would have recognized it
immediately.
See below:
Know of anybody on HIV drugs (Crixivan, Viracept, Agenerase, for
example)?
Yes I do.
St. John's Wort blocks the action of those drugs, rendering them
ineffective.
Or maybe somebody who just had an organ transplant and is
taking Neoral?
Nope.
St. John's Wort renders Neoral ineffective.
How about maybe somebody who's already taking an A/D,
especially an MAOI, or a serotonin agonist?
Yep.
NEVER take SJW with an MAOI. Additionally, SJW has potentiates
selective serotonin agonists, resulting serotonin syndrome...which ain't
pretty.
Fine. That wasn't the topic of the conversation. If you expected a
different response, letting me in your hidden expectation would have
been helpful.
Or perhaps somebody who
just drinks too much?
Oh most definitely.
Recommend SJW to 'em, and say "bye bye".
Okay...again - you set me up to fail with your hidden expectation to
know what you were getting at. Why did you do that?
Technique.
Failure --disconcerting as it may be-- can be a potent motivator for
positive learning when defenses are up. It's a little like physically
touching somebody who's having a panic attack.
You say again and again that I have no way of knowing what you know.
And you're correct. But I do have ways of determining something of what
you DON'T know, or perhaps have forgotten. Even though I don't have
whatever credibility you think I need to have with you, I'm trying to
help you be an effective helper. You might note that through this last
bit of conversation regarding SJW, you learned (or were reminded of)
some information.
That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to embarrass or humiliate
you. I'm hoping to challenge you to increase your knowledge base so
you'll be more effective. "Add to your faith, goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge...". If you can be still and non-anxious long
enough, you'll get that.
I've said before that I think you can do a lot of good; you have life
experiences, talent, knowledge, and wisdom which far too many people
lack. Despite your insistence that I can't possibly know those things
about you, you've revealed a great deal of those things in your writing
here.
So, are you saying that you knew that it's a potentially fatal mistake
to recommend any drug, supplement, or ligand without understanding its
pharmacokinetics and the pharmacodynamics within the system? Yet you
recommended it anyway?
See above. And I will ask again: why did you do that?
Answered above. Maybe not to your liking, but that's the answer.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?KioqV2j2c/ZldmVyKioq?=" |
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06 Sep 2006 09:27:54 AM |
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Just Mark wrote:
***Wh=F6s=F6ever*** wrote:
Answer: YOU DIDN'T
Umm...yeah...I did. And a real helping professional (which you, by
virtue of your ordination, claim to be) would have recognized it
immediately.
Prove it. Show me where.
Okay...again - you set me up to fail with your hidden expectation to
know what you were getting at. Why did you do that?
Technique.
So you admit to setting me up? And you further call an intentional
set-up as "technique"? When you get your practice be sure to let us
all know so we can set up a "Don't go to Dr. Just Mark" website.
Failure --disconcerting as it may be-- can be a potent motivator for
positive learning when defenses are up. It's a little like physically
touching somebody who's having a panic attack.
I'm not having a panik attack, nor am I one of your patients or test
subjects. (Then again, maybe I am one of your test subjects
unknowingly...)
You say again and again that I have no way of knowing what you know.
And you're correct. But I do have ways of determining something of what
you DON'T know, or perhaps have forgotten.
No you don't. It's still conjecture on your part. And again, since
you gave no indication of what you were attempting nor of the
expectations of the outcome your results are skewed because your little
experiment was done under in a dishonest manner.
Even though I don't have
whatever credibility you think I need to have with you, I'm trying to
help you be an effective helper.
Go help someone else. I don't want your "help", nor would I ask for
the help of someone I don't respect, nor someone who is not up to my
level in so many areas.
You might note that through this last
bit of conversation regarding SJW, you learned (or were reminded of)
some information.
Uh, hello? The SJW comment was meant to be a little bit of humor to
get you to loosen up a little. Once again, you have proven that you
are not one to try and jest with. You take Usenet (and likely things
in your real life) much to seriously.
That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to embarrass or humiliate
you. I'm hoping to challenge you to increase your knowledge base so
you'll be more effective. "Add to your faith, goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge...". If you can be still and non-anxious long
enough, you'll get that.
Still on the anxiety kick, eh? Again, "doctor", your analysis and
diagnosis is way off the mark.
I've said before that I think you can do a lot of good; you have life
experiences, talent, knowledge, and wisdom which far too many people
lack. Despite your insistence that I can't possibly know those things
about you, you've revealed a great deal of those things in your writing
here.
You REALLY don't get it, do you?
Answered above. Maybe not to your liking, but that's the answer.
Nope. Not to my liking at all. You used deceptive practices. Which
is why you are now effectively on my ignore-list.
Bye-bye.
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07 Sep 2006 08:33:46 AM |
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***Whösöever*** wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
***Whösöever*** wrote:
Answer: YOU DIDN'T
Umm...yeah...I did. And a real helping professional (which you, by
virtue of your ordination, claim to be) would have recognized it
immediately.
Prove it. Show me where.
Okay...again - you set me up to fail with your hidden expectation to
know what you were getting at. Why did you do that?
Technique.
So you admit to setting me up? And you further call an intentional
set-up as "technique"? When you get your practice be sure to let us
all know so we can set up a "Don't go to Dr. Just Mark" website.
Failure --disconcerting as it may be-- can be a potent motivator for
positive learning when defenses are up. It's a little like physically
touching somebody who's having a panic attack.
I'm not having a panik attack, nor am I one of your patients or test
subjects. (Then again, maybe I am one of your test subjects
unknowingly...)
You say again and again that I have no way of knowing what you know.
And you're correct. But I do have ways of determining something of what
you DON'T know, or perhaps have forgotten.
No you don't. It's still conjecture on your part. And again, since
you gave no indication of what you were attempting nor of the
expectations of the outcome your results are skewed because your little
experiment was done under in a dishonest manner.
Even though I don't have
whatever credibility you think I need to have with you, I'm trying to
help you be an effective helper.
Go help someone else. I don't want your "help", nor would I ask for
the help of someone I don't respect, nor someone who is not up to my
level in so many areas.
You might note that through this last
bit of conversation regarding SJW, you learned (or were reminded of)
some information.
Uh, hello? The SJW comment was meant to be a little bit of humor to
get you to loosen up a little. Once again, you have proven that you
are not one to try and jest with. You take Usenet (and likely things
in your real life) much to seriously.
That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to embarrass or humiliate
you. I'm hoping to challenge you to increase your knowledge base so
you'll be more effective. "Add to your faith, goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge...". If you can be still and non-anxious long
enough, you'll get that.
Still on the anxiety kick, eh? Again, "doctor", your analysis and
diagnosis is way off the mark.
I've said before that I think you can do a lot of good; you have life
experiences, talent, knowledge, and wisdom which far too many people
lack. Despite your insistence that I can't possibly know those things
about you, you've revealed a great deal of those things in your writing
here.
You REALLY don't get it, do you?
Answered above. Maybe not to your liking, but that's the answer.
Nope. Not to my liking at all. You used deceptive practices. Which
is why you are now effectively on my ignore-list.
Originally, I thought of (and wrote) answers to your observations above.
Since you're really only here to argue with people as a diversion
(http://groups.google.com/group/free.christians/msg/bcd5e68f10bdf4a9),
I'll leave you to it.
Bye-bye.
mkay...bye.
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| Title: Re: Question from my Cousin: Why does Dave Horn not hate Pastor Steve Winter? |
06 Sep 2006 11:14:51 AM |
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On 6 Sep 2006 07:27:54 -0700, "***Whösöever***"
<ontheskagit@verizon.net> wrote:
Just Mark wrote:
***Whösöever*** wrote:
Answer: YOU DIDN'T
Umm...yeah...I did. And a real helping professional (which you, by
virtue of your ordination, claim to be) would have recognized it
immediately.
Prove it. Show me where.
Okay...again - you set me up to fail with your hidden expectation to
know what you were getting at. Why did you do that?
Technique.
So you admit to setting me up? And you further call an intentional
set-up as "technique"? When you get your practice be sure to let us
all know so we can set up a "Don't go to Dr. Just Mark" website.
Failure --disconcerting as it may be-- can be a potent motivator for
positive learning when defenses are up. It's a little like physically
touching somebody who's having a panic attack.
I'm not having a panik attack, nor am I one of your patients or test
subjects. (Then again, maybe I am one of your test subjects
unknowingly...)
You say again and again that I have no way of knowing what you know.
And you're correct. But I do have ways of determining something of what
you DON'T know, or perhaps have forgotten.
No you don't. It's still conjecture on your part. And again, since
you gave no indication of what you were attempting nor of the
expectations of the outcome your results are skewed because your little
experiment was done under in a dishonest manner.
Even though I don't have
whatever credibility you think I need to have with you, I'm trying to
help you be an effective helper.
Go help someone else. I don't want your "help", nor would I ask for
the help of someone I don't respect, nor someone who is not up to my
level in so many areas.
You might note that through this last
bit of conversation regarding SJW, you learned (or were reminded of)
some information.
Uh, hello? The SJW comment was meant to be a little bit of humor to
get you to loosen up a little. Once again, you have proven that you
are not one to try and jest with. You take Usenet (and likely things
in your real life) much to seriously.
That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to embarrass or humiliate
you. I'm hoping to challenge you to increase your knowledge base so
you'll be more effective. "Add to your faith, goodness; and to
goodness, knowledge...". If you can be still and non-anxious long
enough, you'll get that.
Still on the anxiety kick, eh? Again, "doctor", your analysis and
diagnosis is way off the mark.
I've said before that I think you can do a lot of good; you have life
experiences, talent, knowledge, and wisdom which far too many people
lack. Despite your insistence that I can't possibly know those things
about you, you've revealed a great deal of those things in your writing
here.
You REALLY don't get it, do you?
Answered above. Maybe not to your liking, but that's the answer.
Nope. Not to my liking at all. You used deceptive practices. Which
is why you are now effectively on my ignore-list.
Bye-bye.
When are the two of you going to announce your engagement? :)
......
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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