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"Therion Ware" |
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03 Sep 2007 11:27:40 AM |
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Question: There's A Fire... |
.... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Suggested by:
[quote]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
Ernie Rea and his guests discuss the moral and ethical dilemmas of
embryonic stem cell research.
[/quote]
The radio programme should be available on site in a couple hours. And
worth listening to if only for the deeply surprising Muslim
perspective.
Nice archive of programmes as well.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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03 Sep 2007 07:34:40 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Suggested by:
[quote]
Therion,
According to -
Lev 17:11 KJV
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. If my science is right, there
is no blood in one of them little round fertilizeed things until maybe
13 days after conception. If that is true, then there is no life for
the first twelve days and no loss of life would occur if the embryos
got cooked.
So, I'd save the baby
Al Klein twisted it out of me.
BB
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
Ernie Rea and his guests discuss the moral and ethical dilemmas of
embryonic stem cell research.
[/quote]
The radio programme should be available on site in a couple hours. And
worth listening to if only for the deeply surprising Muslim
perspective.
Nice archive of programmes as well.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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03 Sep 2007 01:16:30 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Suggested by:
[quote]
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
Ernie Rea and his guests discuss the moral and ethical dilemmas of
embryonic stem cell research.
[/quote]
The radio programme should be available on site in a couple hours. And
worth listening to if only for the deeply surprising Muslim
perspective.
Nice archive of programmes as well.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Savageduck" |
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03 Sep 2007 01:32:20 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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03 Sep 2007 01:55:18 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net>
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
I was raised on one. In what other environment could I have developed
my wit, personality, and modesty?
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Sep 2007 06:49:42 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:55:18 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
I was raised on one. In what other environment could I have developed
my wit, personality, and modesty?
And love of bovine manure?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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03 Sep 2007 07:28:54 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:49:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:55:18 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
I was raised on one. In what other environment could I have developed
my wit, personality, and modesty?
And love of bovine manure?
Al,
I think you lack the proper respect for cow paddies.
When I was young on the farm we had no shortage of cow paddies which
were great for our crops. Now that I live in the city I have to pay
good money for what cows give for free. And on top of that I have to
listen to whining liberal extremists yapping about cows farting and
destroying the ozone layer. Cows get no respect. No wonder they are
all over the billboards telling people to eat chicken.
I think the liberals are cowaphobic. They don't care if whales fart
or elephants fart, but let one little baby cow fart and they raise a
stink about it.
Also, since I head that the WHO's report on global warming turned out
to be a big lie, I think liberals should all go out in the country and
personally apologize to the cows they have been maliciously
slandering.
Come to think of it, I think they have been stereotyping cows; not all
cows fart the same. If an Arab dressed in Arab clothing with two
anti-tank guns, a bag of dynamite and a machine gun walk up to a
Nuclear power plant and get stopped by the guards, the guards will be
fired and sued for whatever its called. He will get away scott free.
Let a poor cow properly digest his meal and he ends up in the butcher
shop to be eaten by liberal drunkerds at Hooters bars. Why do
liberals hate cows but love hooters?
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Sep 2007 07:53:58 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:28:54 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:49:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:55:18 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:32:20 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net>
wrote:
Bob, have you considered farming?
I was raised on one. In what other environment could I have developed
my wit, personality, and modesty?
And love of bovine manure?
I think you lack the proper respect for cow paddies.
I respect the ones you're posting in the same way that I respect the
statement of a man married to an ugly woman that his wife is
beautiful. (BTW, it's patties. A paddy is a marshy area in which
rice is grown.)
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| User: "rogue" |
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03 Sep 2007 08:26:19 PM |
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On Sep 3, 2:32 pm, Savageduck <savaged...@savage.net> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
Actually, I was thinking "therapy." ;-)
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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03 Sep 2007 11:24:47 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:26:19 -0700, rogue <rogue719@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sep 3, 2:32 pm, Savageduck <savaged...@savage.net> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Therion,
I would not be caught dead in such a pagan establishment. However, if
I was parachuting into a nearby park where I could meditiate upon the
beauty of God's workmanship and crashed through a building window and
found a baby. Then, in that case my whole armour of God and the power
of God in Christ in me would handle the situation as it should be
handled.
With my loins girt about with truth and having on the breastplate of
righteousness and my feet shed with the gospel of the preparation of
peace and my shield of faith I would be able to deflect all of the
fiery darts of the wicked one that was trying to kill the baby, the
embryros, and destroy the building. After commanding the fire to be
no more and ordering the power to come back on to run the machines I
would extend the shield of faith around the child and walk out of the
building.
Then being the modest person I am, I would hand the child to its
parent or a rescue peson and continue to the park so that I could
meditate upon the things of God.
Bob, have you considered farming?
Actually, I was thinking "therapy." ;-)
You were thinking?
How ya been, haven't seen you post for a while?
Bob
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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03 Sep 2007 07:42:47 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
The baby, of course.
Why? The embryos cannot feel pain, but the baby can.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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03 Sep 2007 09:54:51 PM |
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Michael Gray:
Which one do you choose? And why?
The baby, of course.
Why? The embryos cannot feel pain, but the baby can.
Somehow I'm not _entirely_ fine with the "of course" above, but as I see it,
I'll agree here.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Sep 2007 06:46:35 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
No ethical dilemma in this case. Embryos that would otherwise be
discarded can be used for research. Fetus huggers refuse to accept
that, for each implanted embryo, many are simply thrown into the
medical waste bin.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Sep 2007 07:10:03 AM |
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
The one life in the room of course (ie, the baby)...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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04 Sep 2007 07:29:03 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:10:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
The one life in the room of course (ie, the baby)...
Are you suggesting that you are not alive?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Sep 2007 06:41:44 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:59:03 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:10:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:27:40 +0100, Therion Ware wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
The one life in the room of course (ie, the baby)...
Are you suggesting that you are not alive?
Not lately. At least I don't feel all that alive with the mold count up
to twenty gazzilion. <G>
I was assuming *I* was not in the room but outside, making the choice
which one to rush into and rescue the contents of same...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Medusa" |
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03 Sep 2007 02:23:37 PM |
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On Sep 3, 11:27 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
This is a strange premise. . .what would a baby be doing in that
building?
Anyway, I'd rescue the baby because s/he is alive. The embryos are
just potential human beings.
If that fire never occurred, most of those embryos would not develop
into babies; many embryos, when placed in a woman's womb, do not
"take."
Hell, I'd rescue a cat over clumps of cells.
Medusa
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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04 Sep 2007 03:52:24 AM |
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On Sep 3, 8:23 pm, Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 11:27 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
This is a strange premise. . .what would a baby be doing in that
building?
Anyway, I'd rescue the baby because s/he is alive. The embryos are
just potential human beings.
If that fire never occurred, most of those embryos would not develop
into babies; many embryos, when placed in a woman's womb, do not
"take."
Hell, I'd rescue a cat over clumps of cells.
I'd probably rescue the cat before the baby - but that's just me.
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| User: "osprey" |
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05 Sep 2007 10:33:33 PM |
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On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Suggested by:
[quote]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
Ernie Rea and his guests discuss the moral and ethical dilemmas of
embryonic stem cell research.
[/quote]
The radio programme should be available on site in a couple hours. And
worth listening to if only for the deeply surprising Muslim
perspective.
Nice archive of programmes as well.
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| User: "" |
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09 Sep 2007 08:43:44 AM |
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On 6 sep, 05:33, osprey <noneedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
If you can carry 20 adults on your back,
than there must surely be room for an extra six year old
Any sane person would sent the six year old running first,
and than grab the first elderly person he saw,
telling the others to come after him as fast as they can
The original dilemma was between two things that could not themselves
walk,
and were both light enough to be carried away.
Of course it too isa false dillemma
as noone would even look at teststubes
(and consider what was in it)
when there was a baby to take care of.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/beyond_belief/
Beyond Belief
3 September 2007
Stem cell research
Ernie Rea looks at one of the cutting-edge scientific moral dilemmas:
the use of embryos in stem cell research.
Whilst human embryos can be used for research into combating
life-threatening diseases, there are serious questions to be asked
about how far research should be allowed to go; when the embryo
becomes a human being and what rights, if any, it should have.
Ernie Rea and his guests discuss the moral and ethical dilemmas of
embryonic stem cell research.
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The radio programme should be available on site in a couple hours. And
worth listening to if only for the deeply surprising Muslim
perspective.
Nice archive of programmes as well.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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06 Sep 2007 12:58:27 AM |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:33:33 -0700, osprey wrote
(in article <1189049613.650603.232050@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>):
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Osprey is in charge! Answer the question.
--
Osprey inadvertently admits to being sexually aroused by young girls.
³We can allow girls to go to school in short mini skirts and revealing tight
tops and that isn¹t distractive, but it¹s a distraction if a girl has the
confederate flag on her purse?³
- A comment made by Robert ³Osprey² Heishman in which he accidentally admits
to being turned on by school girls in mini skirts and tight tops while
arguing that the Confederate Flag is not a racist symbol. (January 10, 2006)
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| User: "Savageduck" |
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| Title: Re: Question: There's A Fire... |
05 Sep 2007 11:14:28 PM |
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osprey wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Too late. With all the waffling about, the building has burned to the
ground, The baby, the embryos, the chicken, the geriatrics, the cat &
all the heroic firemen have all been cremated (offending at least 4
religions, 8 sects and 3 cults, Branch Davidians are excluded)
Now go home. The morality test is over.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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06 Sep 2007 08:41:41 AM |
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"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:13duvkcs4321v84@corp.supernews.com...
osprey wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Too late. With all the waffling about, the building has burned to the
ground, The baby, the embryos, the chicken, the geriatrics, the cat & all
the heroic firemen have all been cremated (offending at least 4 religions,
8 sects and 3 cults, Branch Davidians are excluded)
Now go home. The morality test is over.
It's a stupid test..PERIOD
There is no way anyone can predict what he or she would do under those
circumstances, until they are actually placed in that situation.
And even if someone, I don't care what side of the issue they stand on, were
to save the baby...it would not mean they are immoral.
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| User: "" |
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09 Sep 2007 08:35:21 AM |
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On 6 sep, 15:41, "Osprey" <NoNeedtok...@mail.com> wrote:
"Savageduck" <savaged...@savage.net> wrote in message
news:13duvkcs4321v84@corp.supernews.com...
osprey wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Too late. With all the waffling about, the building has burned to the
ground, The baby, the embryos, the chicken, the geriatrics, the cat & all
the heroic firemen have all been cremated (offending at least 4 religions,
8 sects and 3 cults, Branch Davidians are excluded)
Now go home. The morality test is over.
It's a stupid test..PERIOD
There is no way anyone can predict what he or she would do under those
circumstances, until they are actually placed in that situation.
And even if someone, I don't care what side of the issue they stand on, were
to save the baby...it would not mean they are immoral.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Can you seriously consider that anyone would not save the baby?
I surely would, and so would anyone "who has a heart".
Which made me think:
Weren't there any baby's in Sodom and Gomorra?
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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13 Sep 2007 10:07:05 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:41:41 -0700, Osprey wrote
(in article <mZ-dnWaGS-QInn3bnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@comcast.com>):
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:13duvkcs4321v84@corp.supernews.com...
osprey wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Too late. With all the waffling about, the building has burned to the
ground, The baby, the embryos, the chicken, the geriatrics, the cat & all
the heroic firemen have all been cremated (offending at least 4 religions,
8 sects and 3 cults, Branch Davidians are excluded)
Now go home. The morality test is over.
It's a stupid test..PERIOD
Osprey demonstrates he is intolerant and close minded.
There is no way anyone can predict what he or she would do under those
circumstances, until they are actually placed in that situation.
So guards, police officers, and fire fighters should not be tested in advance
because "There is no way anyone can predict what he or she would do under
those circumstances." Brilliant. Admit it, you are just making excuses for
why you have been repeatedly denied a real job in law enforcement. The
Sheriff's office turned you down for a reason, coward, and claiming there was
"no way [they could] predict what [you] would do under [given] circumstances"
is merely an excuse on your part.
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³If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquite [sic].² - Osprey, Wed, Nov 6 2002
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Sep 2007 05:12:24 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:07:05 -0700, David W. Barnes
<dbarnes@barnesco.com> wrote:
³If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquite [sic].² - Osprey, Wed, Nov 6 2002
I would say that this, and his many other grammatical errors, belies
his claim to a college degree, but I guess it no longer does, sadly.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Question: There's A Fire... |
13 Sep 2007 06:17:28 PM |
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On Sep 13, 6:12 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:07:05 -0700, David W. Barnes
<dbar...@barnesco.com> wrote:
=B3If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquite [sic].=B2 - Osprey, Wed, No=
v 6 2002
I would say that this, and his many other grammatical errors, belies
his claim to a college degree, but I guess it no longer does, sadly.
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Gotta love this...
Al Klein, who doesn't know me at all..yet feels compelled to follow
others who talks about me; now decides to buddy up with David Barnes
and talk about grammar
Is Al aware of who he is siding with, when it comes to grammar and
spelling???
From: "David W. Barnes" <s...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <181220040726235992%s...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 07:26:23 -0800
They pilot didn't know who they were.
From: "David W. Barnes" <s...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <181220041831333291%s...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:31:33 -0800
"But it isn't even a news sorce."
From: "David W. Barnes" <s...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <201220040753065915%s...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:53:06 -0800
Why do you suppose it is that so many pro-choicers our here disagree
with this definition?
From: "David W. Barnes" <s...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.abortion,talk.abortion
Message-ID: <261220041559455057%s...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:59:45 -0800
"LOL! Right! You aspired to be a gyard".
"I doubt they find you than interesting".
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:53:11 -0800
From: "David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com>
Message-ID: <150220071753116141%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com>
But we are spread so thing playing war in Iraq,
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:45:14 -0800
From: "David W. Barnes" <yeahyeahy...@yeah.com>
Message-ID: <280220070245148010%yeahyeahyeah@yeah.com>
Are ypu suggesting these injuries didn=B9t happen?
Hey Al,
I just thought you should know who you are picking as your allies. If
you wish to make a fool out of yourself, by all means be my guest.
I'll enjoy watching you make a fool out of yourself.
:o)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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13 Sep 2007 08:53:36 PM |
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In article <1189725448.498813.151410@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
On Sep 13, 6:12 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:07:05 -0700, David W. Barnes
<dbar...@barnesco.com> wrote:
³If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquite [sic].² - Osprey, Wed, Nov 6
2002
I would say that this, and his many other grammatical errors, belies
his claim to a college degree, but I guess it no longer does, sadly.
--
Gotta love this...
Once again, Osprey demonstrates that he doesn¹t know the difference
between typos and lack of education.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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06 Sep 2007 10:43:22 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:41:41 -0700, Osprey wrote
(in article <mZ-dnWaGS-QInn3bnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@comcast.com>):
"Savageduck" <savageduck@savage.net> wrote in message
news:13duvkcs4321v84@corp.supernews.com...
osprey wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:27 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
In a building. In one room, there is a six year old child, in the
other room there are 20 elderly people. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six year old child or the 20 elderly people.
Which one do you choose? And why?
Too late. With all the waffling about, the building has burned to the
ground, The baby, the embryos, the chicken, the geriatrics, the cat & all
the heroic firemen have all been cremated (offending at least 4 religions,
8 sects and 3 cults, Branch Davidians are excluded)
Now go home. The morality test is over.
It's a stupid test..PERIOD
Osprey lays down the law.
--
Osprey ³claims² to be law enforcement (he is a guard.) I mentioned the
Sussex County Sheriff¹s Office, and Osprey the ³law enforcement officer²
says:
Oh boy are you stupid...SUSSEX COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A SHERIFF'S OFFICE -
Osprey, Fri, Oct 7 2005
The the Sussex County Sheriff¹s Office has been around since 1635 and Sussex
County is right next to where Osprey lives (in a trailer.)
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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03 Sep 2007 11:58:47 AM |
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On Sep 3, 9:27?am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... in a research centre. In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
Which one do you choose? And why?
The implicit, unjustified premise is that you can, with 100%
certainty, save one or the other. That's unrealistic.
Depending on the odds of successfully saving one, without killing
yourself, the right answer may be "Attempt To Save Neither."
Two down is less bad than three.
:-)
Jenny
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| User: "Savageduck" |
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03 Sep 2007 12:23:50 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
... in a research centre.
That depends on where the funding for this "research centre" comes from.
In one room there's a six month old baby, in
the other room there's 5000 frozen embryos. The building is on fire.
We can only assume the reason for the baby being there in the first
place, is one of the child's parents is a worker at the facility and the
employers have provided some sort of child day care facility. Otherwise
that baby has no business there and this whole premise is silly.
You can rescue either the six month old baby or the 5000 frozen
embryos.
OK, I'll go along with this.
Which one do you choose? And why?
scenario #1: I am the only one in the building? Right.
If so I'll rescue the baby and let the sprinkler system deal with the
embryos, which should be pretty well protected in the liquid nitrogen
tanks. Common sense, no morality issue at all. If the embryos are
damaged or destroyed, I am sure the appropriate asset insurance would
cover financial loss. Then they could be replaced as more become available.
scenario #2: Where on earth is that parent. He/she has parental
responsibilities, get your baby out of the building. I don't even know
where your darn baby is. I will deal with the corporate property and
move the embryos.
scenario #3: get my cowardly butt out of there, if those embryos have
any life in them they should act on it. As I said, where in this
building is that baby? As far as the baby goes, there are more where
that one came from. Where is that fireman hero when you need one?
OK morality test time is over.
Given the bizarre circumstances of this "test", which goes along with
the old military objective tests; "Do you run over the child or the mine
with yoour tank?", "Do you stop the mortar fire to save the herd boy and
his cow moving into your line of fire?"
Save the child, don't save the child,just because you take one action
and not another is not a test of morality just common sense and rational
thinking.
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