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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Bill"
Date: 12 Jan 2005 12:44:16 PM
Object: Questions about the Trinity of God?
Some questions for experts on Christian religion;
God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Who was God the fathers wife? Who was Jesus's mother before he was born of
the virgin Mary?
If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?
Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?
If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and everything in
it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes and
diseases of every
imaginable kind? Why did this supposedly infallible God make these many
serious
mistakes in his creation?
If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for the sins
he created?
What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger, diseases
and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered to an
infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?
Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?
Bill
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User: "footybet"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 12:54:51 PM

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

only His atheistic creations !!!
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 01:06:58 PM
"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105556091.951759.219080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

only His atheistic creations !!!

Hoo boy. Please show how your god has "toyed" with me ;)
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User: "Rv Cloim"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 08:38:59 PM
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:58 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105556091.951759.219080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

only His atheistic creations !!!


Hoo boy. Please show how your god has "toyed" with me ;)

And if there are any pictures, I'd like to see them...
Purely for purposes of research, of course.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 06:48:56 AM
"Rv Cloim" <rvcloim@tor.propylaea.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.13.02.49.35.203801@tor.propylaea.org...

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:58 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:


"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105556091.951759.219080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

only His atheistic creations !!!


Hoo boy. Please show how your god has "toyed" with me ;)


And if there are any pictures, I'd like to see them...
Purely for purposes of research, of course.

Damn! Just when I thought I found all the hidden
cameras...................... ;)
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User: "Olrik"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 12:00:50 AM
Robibnikoff wrote:

"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105556091.951759.219080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


only His atheistic creations !!!



Hoo boy. Please show how your god has "toyed" with me ;)

Watch out! See what he did to Mary! Next time you meet a guy named
Gabriel, run for your life!
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 06:12:25 AM
"Olrik" <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:

"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:1105556091.951759.219080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


only His atheistic creations !!!



Hoo boy. Please show how your god has "toyed" with me ;)


Watch out! See what he did to Mary! Next time you meet a guy named
Gabriel, run for your life!

Yikes! If he looks like Christopher Walken, I'll have to think about it :)
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 04:49:38 PM
On 12 Jan 2005 10:54:51 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> said
in alt.atheism:

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

only His atheistic creations !!!

He creates them to be atheistic then he tortures them for being
atheistic?
Is he psychotic? Or is it just his worshippers who are?
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User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 02:02:05 AM
Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy

Ghost.


Who was God the fathers wife? Who was Jesus's mother before he was

born of

the virgin Mary?
If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?
Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?

If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and

everything in

it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes

and

diseases of every
imaginable kind? Why did this supposedly infallible God make these

many

serious
mistakes in his creation?

If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for

the sins

he created?

What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,

diseases

and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered

to an

infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

You're asking very good, legitimate questions that no Christian
has ever been able to answer properly. Be prepared for a lot
of wriggling, Bible-text mangling and obtuse logic by them.
RS
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User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 04:30:36 AM
Richard Smol wrote:

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the

Holy

Ghost.


Who was God the fathers wife? Who was Jesus's mother before he was

born of

the virgin Mary?
If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?
Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?

If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and

everything in

it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes

and

diseases of every
imaginable kind? Why did this supposedly infallible God make these

many

serious
mistakes in his creation?

If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for

the sins

he created?

What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,

diseases

and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being

delivered

to an

infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


You're asking very good, legitimate questions that no Christian
has ever been able to answer properly. Be prepared for a lot
of wriggling, Bible-text mangling and obtuse logic by them.

RS

These answers can't be answered by anyone. We don't even know if they
are relevant questions.
Examples:

Who was God the fathers wife? Who was Jesus's mother before he was

born of

the virgin Mary?

Who is Dolly the cloned sheeps mother/father? If we evolved from a
puddle of primordial ooze who was our first father?

If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and

everything in

it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes

and

diseases of every
imaginable kind? Why did this supposedly infallible God make these

many

serious
mistakes in his creation?

Mistakes? Why are they mistakes? Because they get in the way of what we
want? Because we suffer from them? Maybe we are supposed to suffer. To
some degree I'm glad I suffer. How else would I appreciate not
suffering? Who would ever be happy if sometimes they were not sad?
These questions don't just show that Christianity doesn't make sense.
They show that we are not even equipped to think very critically on
religion at all.
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User: "Komin"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 05:04:24 AM
That was why in the 4th century , many christians believed in the Arian
doctrine according to the Arian line of Christain belief.
Arian Christians all believed that the Father , the Son , and the Holy
Ghost ,
all these 3 were separate gods.
All the nomadic Germans , Alan , Goths, VisiGoths, Vandals , Swabians,
Helvetian Swiss,
Gaulois, Pols , Lithuanians , Estonians, Picts of Scotland were all
followers of the Arian Christian faith, not the Roman Christian faith.
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User: "Jason Gastrich"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 01:53:25 PM
Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.

God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. For
more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html

Who was God the fathers wife?

God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.

Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?

Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.

If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?

The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.

Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?

He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts, intercedes,
comforts, etc.

If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?

The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam and Eve
had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.
When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of disease,
suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.

Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?

He didn't make mistakes. We did.

If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?

He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments for
sinning against Him.

What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?

This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.

Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?

No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.
Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
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User: "Eric Gill"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 08:27:25 PM
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?
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User: "Jason Gastrich"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 01:09:23 AM
Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:

Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?

Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads. The free.christians group has less
subjects, so we can find this one much easier.
JG
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 06:13:09 AM
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:

Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?


Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads.

And that has anything to do with you because...........................?
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User: "Eric Gill"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 16 Jan 2005 07:07:28 PM
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:D8pFd.53002
$Ew6.15624@twister.socal.rr.com:

Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:

Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?


Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads.

Interesting reply in light of your excuse for attempting to move debates or
discussions to boards you control.
Then again, your newsreader makes it easy to find replies to your previous
messages.
Are you *sure* that's the reason?

The free.christians group has less
subjects, so we can find this one much easier.

Ah.
Gastrich, I removed free.christians from the list before I posted my reply.
You're not checking this thread there.
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 18 Jan 2005 03:58:39 PM
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:07:28 GMT, Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:D8pFd.53002
$Ew6.15624@twister.socal.rr.com:

Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:

Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?


Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads.


Interesting reply in light of your excuse for attempting to move debates or
discussions to boards you control.

Then again, your newsreader makes it easy to find replies to your previous
messages.

Are you *sure* that's the reason?

The free.christians group has less
subjects, so we can find this one much easier.


Ah.

Gastrich, I removed free.christians from the list before I posted my reply.
You're not checking this thread there.

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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 09:10:16 PM
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:09:23 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:

Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:
Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?

Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads. The free.christians group has less
subjects, so we can find this one much easier.

In alt.atheism?
If not, why did you post it to alt.atheism?
Don't bother answering. "Why are you such a moron" is a rhetorical
question.
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User: "Jos Flachs"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 03:53:25 AM
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:09:23 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Eric Gill wrote:

"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com:

Gastrich, why did you make the crossposting worse?


Because alt.atheism gets countless new subjects every day; making it
difficult to find older threads. The free.christians group has less
subjects, so we can find this one much easier.

Don't be humble, my good "doctor". A reasonable news reader can manage
those many subjects very well.
I notice you rather prefer to work as a drive by fundy.
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User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 12 Jan 2005 09:33:22 PM
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Jason Gastrich wrote:

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.


God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. For
more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html

The trinitiy is 'reinforcement'. It started off with one god only. When that
god became a little hard to swallow JC was introduced and then thy tried a
ghost. Three is more believable than one - well to some it is



Who was God the fathers wife?


God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.

Right, something imaginary can hardly have onw



Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?


Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.

A fable. When they made it up they forgot to cover his first twenty years.
Fatal mistakes happen in mythology, only 'truth' wins in the end. That is why
there are so many 'Truth' sermons; to cover up the exact opposit of the truth!



If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?


The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.

Lovely meaningless gobbledeegook



Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?


He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts, intercedes,
comforts, etc.

early man thought there were ghosts, contemporary man [some of htem] still
cling to early mytology



If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?


The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin.

The scripures are as meaningless as any other book of fiction

Adam and Eve
had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.

When they sinned, sin entered the earth.

what crass banal childish nonsense

This began the cycle of disease,
suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.

See above. So do animals get sick because of adam and eve as well. grow up



Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?


He didn't make mistakes. We did.

Oh how convenient. Your god does not exist other than in the imagination of
weak minded fools



If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?


He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments for
sinning against Him.

early man had no laws so the fear of an imaginary god managed to provide some
protection in those dangerous times. nothing more tan that



What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?


This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.

Yes, but as usual for religionists, you failed to answer a perfectly
straightforward question. Beginning to doubt you imaginary saviour are we?



Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.

What arrogent nonsense. Even if there were a god, what gives you the right to
speak for that god? All the words of god are nothing but the words of arrogent
humans. right?



Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich

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<p>Jason Gastrich wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Bill wrote:
<br>> Some questions for experts on Christian religion;
<br>>
<br>> God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the
Holy
<br>> Ghost.
<p>God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.&nbsp;
For
<br>more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
<br><a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html">http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html</a></blockquote>
The trinitiy is 'reinforcement'.&nbsp; It started off with one god only.&nbsp;
When that god became a little hard to swallow JC was introduced and then
thy tried a ghost.&nbsp; Three is more believable than one - well to some
it is
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html"></a>&nbsp;
<p>> Who was God the fathers wife?
<p>God didn't have a wife.&nbsp; He doesn't have a body.</blockquote>
Right, something imaginary can hardly have onw
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> Who was Jesus's mother before he was
<br>> born of the virgin Mary?
<p>Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.</blockquote>
A fable.&nbsp; When they made it up they forgot to cover his first twenty
years.&nbsp; Fatal mistakes happen in mythology, only 'truth' wins in the
end.&nbsp; That is why there are so many 'Truth' sermons; to cover up the
exact opposit of the truth!
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?
<p>The Father and Son terms describe their relationship.&nbsp; They and
the Holy
<br>Spirit complete the triune Godhead.</blockquote>
Lovely meaningless gobbledeegook
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?
<p>He is the 3rd person in the trinity.&nbsp; He has many functions.&nbsp;
See
<br><a href="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html">http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html</a>.&nbsp;
He teaches, convicts, intercedes,
<br>comforts, etc.</blockquote>
early man thought there were ghosts, contemporary man [some of htem] still
cling to early mytology
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
<br>> everything in it, why did it create such
<br>> fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
<br>> and diseases of every
<br>> imaginable kind?
<p>The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin.</blockquote>
The scripures are as meaningless as any other book of fiction
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Adam and Eve
<br>had no sin.&nbsp; They would have lived happily forever on Earth.
<p>When they sinned, sin entered the earth.</blockquote>
what crass banal childish nonsense
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>This began the cycle of disease,
<br>suffering, and death.&nbsp; It is the reason for all evil.</blockquote>
<p><br>See above.&nbsp; So do animals get sick because of adam and eve
as well.&nbsp; grow up
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
<br>> many serious
<br>> mistakes in his creation?
<p>He didn't make mistakes.&nbsp; We did.</blockquote>
Oh how convenient.&nbsp; Your god does not exist other than in the imagination
of weak minded fools
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
<br>> the sins he created?
<p>He allowed sin because people chose it.&nbsp; He gives laws and punishments
for
<br>sinning against Him.</blockquote>
early man had no laws so the fear of an imaginary god managed to provide
some protection in those dangerous times.&nbsp; nothing more tan that
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
<br>> diseases and catastrophes and then
<br>> usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
<br>> to an infinitely pleasant and
<br>> perpetual heaven?
<p>This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth.&nbsp; Life on
Earth is
<br>much more than this; at least for believers.</blockquote>
<p><br>Yes, but as usual for religionists, you failed to answer a perfectly
straightforward question. Beginning to doubt you imaginary saviour are
we?
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>> Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?
<p>No.&nbsp; God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.</blockquote>
What arrogent nonsense.&nbsp; Even if there were a god, what gives you
the right to speak for that god?&nbsp; All the words of god are nothing
but the words of arrogent humans.&nbsp; right?
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>Thanks for your questions.&nbsp; What made you ask them, today?
<p>God bless,
<br>Jason Gastrich
<p>--
<p>--------
<p>Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
<br><a href="http://www.jcsm.org">http://www.jcsm.org</a>
<br>Over 60,000 web pages!
<p>John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
<br>free indeed."
<p>Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
<br>Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke
of
<br>bondage."
<p>ICQ#: 20731140
<br>AIM: MrJasonGastrich
<br>YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason</blockquote>
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User: "BDK"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 01:15:36 PM
In article <VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.


God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. For
more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html

Wow, what whacky thought process dreamed this up? Well, they had to come
up with something, I guess.


Who was God the fathers wife?


God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.

Hmm, how convenient for your little fable.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?


Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.

If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?


The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.

OK. Whatever you say, "Dr". I use that term as a joke.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?


He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts, intercedes,
comforts, etc.

Dance around, Jason, dance around, it still won't make sense to a sane
person.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?


The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam and Eve
had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.

Are you like 6 years old?? How could even someone like you swallow such
nonsense? The first people were probably lucky to make 25, diseases have
always been here, the dinos had at least many of the same diseases we
have, probably all of them. Of course, you probably believe A&E saw
dinos...LOL.


When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of disease,
suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.

LOl, I love the ravings of a religious whackaloon! What nonsense.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?


He didn't make mistakes. We did.

That's right, it's "our" fault for "sinning". LOL, and you wonder why
people roll their eyes behind your back? (I GUARANTEE they do!) Maybe
they even do it in front of you..


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?


He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments for
sinning against Him.

Nonsense. Whackaloon thinking..illogical and preposterous. A six year
old should know better, I did.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?


This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.

Sure, believing in mythical sky-daddies is FUN!!!


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.

That's your opinion, sane people differ.


Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich

\

I love reading/talking to lunatics, it amuses me greatly.
BDK
.
User: "Uncle Davey"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 01:45:01 PM
"BDK" <kingratatatboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5092df9797d12a9896d5@news.buckeye-express.com...

In article <VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.


God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

For

more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html


Wow, what whacky thought process dreamed this up? Well, they had to come
up with something, I guess.


Who was God the fathers wife?


God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.


Hmm, how convenient for your little fable.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?


Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.

If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?


The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.


OK. Whatever you say, "Dr". I use that term as a joke.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?


He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts,

intercedes,

comforts, etc.


Dance around, Jason, dance around, it still won't make sense to a sane
person.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?


The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam and

Eve

had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.


Are you like 6 years old?? How could even someone like you swallow such
nonsense? The first people were probably lucky to make 25, diseases have
always been here, the dinos had at least many of the same diseases we
have, probably all of them. Of course, you probably believe A&E saw
dinos...LOL.


When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of

disease,

suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.


LOl, I love the ravings of a religious whackaloon! What nonsense.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?


He didn't make mistakes. We did.


That's right, it's "our" fault for "sinning". LOL, and you wonder why
people roll their eyes behind your back? (I GUARANTEE they do!) Maybe
they even do it in front of you..


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?


He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments

for

sinning against Him.


Nonsense. Whackaloon thinking..illogical and preposterous. A six year
old should know better, I did.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?


This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.


Sure, believing in mythical sky-daddies is FUN!!!


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.


That's your opinion, sane people differ.


Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich

\


I love reading/talking to lunatics, it amuses me greatly.

BDK

There's irony.
Uncle Davey
.
User: "BDK"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 14 Jan 2005 09:00:09 AM
In article <cs6j40$74r$0@pita.alt.net>,
says...


"BDK" <kingratatatboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c5092df9797d12a9896d5@news.buckeye-express.com...

In article <VefFd.52963$Ew6.593@twister.socal.rr.com>, usenetspam1
@yahoo.com says...

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.


God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

For

more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html


Wow, what whacky thought process dreamed this up? Well, they had to come
up with something, I guess.


Who was God the fathers wife?


God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.


Hmm, how convenient for your little fable.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?


Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.

If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?


The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.


OK. Whatever you say, "Dr". I use that term as a joke.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?


He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts,

intercedes,

comforts, etc.


Dance around, Jason, dance around, it still won't make sense to a sane
person.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?


The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam and

Eve

had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.


Are you like 6 years old?? How could even someone like you swallow such
nonsense? The first people were probably lucky to make 25, diseases have
always been here, the dinos had at least many of the same diseases we
have, probably all of them. Of course, you probably believe A&E saw
dinos...LOL.


When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of

disease,

suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.


LOl, I love the ravings of a religious whackaloon! What nonsense.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?


He didn't make mistakes. We did.


That's right, it's "our" fault for "sinning". LOL, and you wonder why
people roll their eyes behind your back? (I GUARANTEE they do!) Maybe
they even do it in front of you..


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?


He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments

for

sinning against Him.


Nonsense. Whackaloon thinking..illogical and preposterous. A six year
old should know better, I did.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?


This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.


Sure, believing in mythical sky-daddies is FUN!!!


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?


No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.


That's your opinion, sane people differ.


Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich

\


I love reading/talking to lunatics, it amuses me greatly.

BDK


There's irony.

Uncle Davey



LOL, same back at you, Davey...
I'm not the one who believes in invisible "sky-dadddies"..
BDK
.



User: "Olrik"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 12:15:07 AM
Jason Gastrich wrote:

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy
Ghost.



God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. For
more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html


Who was God the fathers wife?



God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?



Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.


If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?



The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the Holy
Spirit complete the triune Godhead.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?



He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts, intercedes,
comforts, etc.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?



The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam and Eve
had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.

When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of disease,
suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?



He didn't make mistakes. We did.


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?



He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and punishments for
sinning against Him.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being delivered
to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?



This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on Earth is
much more than this; at least for believers.


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?



No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.

Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich

Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible" was
"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has anyone
(parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
.
User: "Jason Gastrich"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 03:09:08 AM
Olrik wrote:

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the
Holy Ghost.



God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit. For more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html


Who was God the fathers wife?



God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?



Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.


If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?



The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and the
Holy Spirit complete the triune Godhead.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?



He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts,
intercedes, comforts, etc.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly catastrophes
and diseases of every
imaginable kind?



The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin. Adam
and Eve had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on Earth.

When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of
disease, suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?



He didn't make mistakes. We did.


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment for
the sins he created?



He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and
punishments for sinning against Him.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from hunger,
diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being
delivered to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?



This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on
Earth is much more than this; at least for believers.


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?



No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.

Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich


Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible" was
"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has
anyone (parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?

I was saved at age 7. Between the ages of 16-20, I didn't care about the
things of God and pursued worldliness. From 20-30, I've been seeking God.
My faith was probably like most Christians until I wrote my full rebuttal to
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org
As I wrote my rebuttal, I constantly put my faith on the line. If I were to
find an error that could not be reconciled, it would show that the Bible was
in error and not true.
I found reasonable answers to every, alleged Bible error. I have informed
faith and reasons to believe, now. My faith is far stronger than it ever
was.
Sincerely,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
.
User: "David"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 04:43:35 PM
Jason Gastrich wrote:

Olrik wrote:

< snip >

Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible" was
"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has
anyone (parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?


I was saved at age 7.

Oh, I don't think that anyone really believes THIS, Jason.
Even those of us who doubt that God is in you, let alone those who
don't believe in the concept of God or, at least, the Judeo-christian
God, would have a hard time believing it.
For one thing, you're not all that bright at 30.
So why would anyone REALLY think that you had the discernment to be
able to judge your "sinful nature" at an age when most aren't able to
understand these kinds of spiritual issues?
It won't wash.
This little part of your personal fairy tale is false.
More to come
< snip >
.
User: "David D."

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 04:56:55 PM
David wrote:

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Olrik wrote:


< snip >

Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible"

was

"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has
anyone (parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?


I was saved at age 7.


Oh, I don't think that anyone really believes THIS, Jason.

Even those of us who doubt that God is in you, let alone those who
don't believe in the concept of God or, at least, the Judeo-christian
God, would have a hard time believing it.

For one thing, you're not all that bright at 30.

So why would anyone REALLY think that you had the discernment to be
able to judge your "sinful nature" at an age when most aren't able to
understand these kinds of spiritual issues?

It won't wash.

This little part of your personal fairy tale is false.
More to come

Could you be writing a book? Or are you serializing this story across
several threads in the tradition of Dickens? Got any good ideas for a
title?
.
User: "Uncle Davey"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 05:45:08 PM
"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105657015.925181.174590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...


David wrote:

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Olrik wrote:


< snip >

Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible"

was

"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has
anyone (parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?


I was saved at age 7.


Oh, I don't think that anyone really believes THIS, Jason.

Even those of us who doubt that God is in you, let alone those who
don't believe in the concept of God or, at least, the Judeo-christian
God, would have a hard time believing it.

For one thing, you're not all that bright at 30.

So why would anyone REALLY think that you had the discernment to be
able to judge your "sinful nature" at an age when most aren't able to
understand these kinds of spiritual issues?

It won't wash.

This little part of your personal fairy tale is false.
More to come


Could you be writing a book? Or are you serializing this story across
several threads in the tradition of Dickens? Got any good ideas for a
title?

What about "Quo vadis?" as in "where are you going with this?"
That's not taken already, is it?
Uncle Davey
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 09:17:58 PM
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:45:08 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:

What about "Quo vadis?" as in "where are you going with this?"

Your Latin is that bad, eh?
--
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.
User: "Uncle Davey"

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 14 Jan 2005 03:37:50 AM
Uzytkownik "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> napisal w wiadomosci
news:leeeu05gqnthppt39eb88dhj7gdem78m3g@4ax.com...

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:45:08 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
said in alt.atheism:

What about "Quo vadis?" as in "where are you going with this?"


Your Latin is that bad, eh?

Whoosh!
Uncle Davey
.





User: ""

Title: Re: Questions about the Trinity of God? 13 Jan 2005 03:21:28 AM
Jason Gastrich wrote:

Olrik wrote:

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Bill wrote:

Some questions for experts on Christian religion;

God is supposedly made up of God the Father, God the Son and the
Holy Ghost.



God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy
Spirit. For more on the trinity (the triune Godhead) see here:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html


Who was God the fathers wife?



God didn't have a wife. He doesn't have a body.


Who was Jesus's mother before he was
born of the virgin Mary?



Jesus Christ had no mother before Mary.


If God the Father did not have a wife, how did he father a son?



The Father and Son terms describe their relationship. They and

the

Holy Spirit complete the triune Godhead.


Who is the Holy Ghost? Is he an uncle? What is his function?



He is the 3rd person in the trinity. He has many functions. See
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t10.html. He teaches, convicts,
intercedes, comforts, etc.


If this trinity is all powerful and created the Universe and
everything in it, why did it create such
fallible, errant and grossly imperfect men and earthly

catastrophes

and diseases of every
imaginable kind?



The scriptures tell us that the Earth was created without sin.

Adam

and Eve had no sin. They would have lived happily forever on

Earth.


When they sinned, sin entered the earth. This began the cycle of
disease, suffering, and death. It is the reason for all evil.


Why did this supposedly infallible God make these
many serious
mistakes in his creation?



He didn't make mistakes. We did.


If God created everything, why did he create sin and punishment

for

the sins he created?



He allowed sin because people chose it. He gives laws and
punishments for sinning against Him.


What is his purpose of putting man on earth to suffer from

hunger,

diseases and catastrophes and then
usually experience a painful old age and death before being
delivered to an infinitely pleasant and
perpetual heaven?



This is a one-sided characterization of life on Earth. Life on
Earth is much more than this; at least for believers.


Does God enjoy toying with and torturing his creations?



No. God prefers that people get saved and life a successful life.

Thanks for your questions. What made you ask them, today?

God bless,
Jason Gastrich


Just a question : how and when did you decide that the "bible" was
"true", as opposed to older books? Did you do it yourself or has
anyone (parents, teachers, priests, etc.) told you so?


I was saved at age 7.

Naw. I don't believe that.

Between the ages of 16-20, I didn't care about the
things of God and pursued worldliness.

Ya still do.

From 20-30, I've been seeking God.

My faith was probably like most Christians until I wrote my full

rebuttal to

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. See http://skepticsannotatedbible.org

As I wrote my rebuttal, I constantly put my faith on the line. If I

were to

find an error that could not be reconciled, it would show that the

Bible was

in error and not true.

I found reasonable answers to every, alleged Bible error. I have

informed

faith and reasons to believe, now. My faith is far stronger than it

ever

was.

Your "rebuttal" is the biggest load of crapola I've ever read, and I've
read Josh McDowell.
.





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