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"Bill M" |
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20 Jan 2007 10:53:59 AM |
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QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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20 Apr 2007 11:04:00 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:25:48 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:20:39 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Tell us something you have personally tested to be true,
or do you only believe your white coated priests, who call themselves
scientists?
I have tested far too many things to list, Frank, and my conclusion is
that scientists know what they are talking about.
Frank has tested many aspects of computer science and has found them
to be true, but he's too stupid to realize it.
Throughout his life, Frank has tested many aspects of many things, and
proved the scientists correct, every time.
Now I don't think that he doesn't realise it, in fact I am sure that
he does, but he hates it, because science provides evidence, solid and
empirical, to support it's findings, but Frank has to invent his own
evidence to support his god.
That is why he clings so hard to his semantic, "Our xtian god is love,
(1 John 4:8,16)", and denies any part of the bible, O, or NT, that
challenges it.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
16 Apr 2007 02:16:18 PM |
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On 16 Apr 2007 05:14:59 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
The world isn't hockey puck shaped. Your semantic games don't change
reality.
Science is independently verifiable. Such the Ocean having a horizon
but when I'm higher up, a can see further. See independent
verification.
A hockey-puck-shaped world would work like that if we lived on the
rim. Kind of gives new meaning to "rim world". Of course the oceans
would probably spill over onto the flat surface, so there'd be all
land and no ocean on the rim. Or maybe Frank's "love god" is loving
all that water to stay on the rim.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
19 Apr 2007 07:30:54 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 16 Apr 2007 05:14:59 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
The world isn't hockey puck shaped. Your semantic games don't change
reality.
Science is independently verifiable. Such the Ocean having a horizon
but when I'm higher up, a can see further. See independent
verification.
A hockey-puck-shaped world would work like that if we lived on the
rim. Kind of gives new meaning to "rim world". Of course the oceans
would probably spill over onto the flat surface, so there'd be all
land and no ocean on the rim. Or maybe Frank's "love god" is loving
all that water to stay on the rim.
No imagination? There is a high wall at the ends of a cylinder shaped
world, and which contains the oceans. "Spill over" indeed!!!!
Either way, both of you believe what you have been told by your
white-coated priests of Scientism, who call themselves scientists. Neither
of you have checked out the truth personally. That makes you both
true-believers, or true-disbelievers, much like us, your fellow
religionists.
Pastor Frank
Though "everybody in Virginia has a gun", not single shot was fired in
self-defence by anyone at Virginia Tech apparently. Why?
If Virginia Tech prohibits fire-arms on campus, yet allowed this student
with all his guns on campus, then it is directly responsible for the
carnage.
The old rule applies here too: Either everybody has a gun, or no one
has.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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14 Apr 2007 12:52:15 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:29:34 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176467286.218572.198520@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 1:15 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...> On 3 Apr 2007
08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a
hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
So your allegation is that the earth could be hockey puck shaped?
Ahh that explains your loose grasp on reality
Hatter
The "reality" is that we caught you believing in what you were told, not
what you checked out personally to be true.
More Frankinane semantics.
I never cease to wonder at the scope of your stupidity.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:46:43 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 05:28:06 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 1:15 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...> On 3 Apr 2007 08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
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Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
So your allegation is that the earth could be hockey puck shaped?
Ahh that explains your loose grasp on reality
Frank's a hockey puck, and he's been to the goal too many times.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
13 Apr 2007 01:12:24 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 13 Apr 2007 05:28:06 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 1:15 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...> On 3 Apr 2007
08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but
haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a
hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys
like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
So your allegation is that the earth could be hockey puck shaped?
Ahh that explains your loose grasp on reality
Frank's a hockey puck, and he's been to the goal too many times.
Thank you, Don Rickles :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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13 Apr 2007 06:40:25 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:15:06 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...
On 3 Apr 2007 08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
Let me guess, you got to be an atheist, aren't you? For only the
atheist religion demands you trash other people's beliefs and flame
their person at all times, and without exception,
Remember that, Frank?
P.S Your Grammar is getting worse.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:29:28 AM |
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On Apr 13, 7:40 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:15:06 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...
On 3 Apr 2007 08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
Let me guess, you got to be an atheist, aren't you? For only the
atheist religion demands you trash other people's beliefs and flame
their person at all times, and without exception,
Remember that, Frank?
P.S Your Grammar is getting worse.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.- Hide quoted text -
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Atheist religion??????????????????????
That is like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.
Hatter
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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13 Apr 2007 11:06:40 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 05:29:28 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 7:40 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:15:06 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...
On 3 Apr 2007 08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
Let me guess, you got to be an atheist, aren't you? For only the
atheist religion demands you trash other people's beliefs and flame
their person at all times, and without exception,
Remember that, Frank?
P.S Your Grammar is getting worse.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.- Hide quoted text -
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Atheist religion??????????????????????
That is like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.
Hey, don't tell me man, I'm only quoting Frank, back at himself. (:-)
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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13 Apr 2007 11:05:37 AM |
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On Apr 13, 8:29 am, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 13, 7:40 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:15:06 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:re56139kqqtj7dmvhabt97e6hkqr31pemv@4ax.com...
On 3 Apr 2007 08:41:27 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
How well said. The Son of God(character) is always coming...never
arriving. Even though the writing said he would be back in one
generation...people are still waiting despite it being nearly 2000
years later. Probably some dimwits will still be around 500 years from
now saying he's still coming.
There are still some dimwits saying that the world is flat, over 2,000
years after the intelligent people knew it was round. Give the
Christian dimwits some time to catch up.
Glad you admit believing in something you have been told, but haven't
verified yourself. What if the earth is both flat AND round? Like a hockey
puck perhaps? Wouldn't that make you a "dimwit" bigot? But then guys like
you are never wrong, aren't they?
Let me guess, you got to be an atheist, aren't you? For only the
atheist religion demands you trash other people's beliefs and flame
their person at all times, and without exception,
Remember that, Frank?
P.S Your Grammar is getting worse.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.- Hide quoted text -
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Atheist religion??????????????????????
That is like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.
Hatter- Hide quoted text -
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dammit!!! Grammer misunderstanding!!!!!
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Apr 2007 09:24:57 AM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 13, 8:29 am, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Atheist religion??????????????????????
That is like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.
dammit!!! Grammer misunderstanding!!!!!
Insofar Atheism is a belief or rather disbelief system, it's a religion.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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14 Apr 2007 12:48:22 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:24:57 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176480337.586556.146350@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 8:29 am, "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Atheist religion??????????????????????
That is like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby.
dammit!!! Grammer misunderstanding!!!!!
Insofar Atheism is a belief or rather disbelief system, it's a religion.
Another non sequitur, Frank?
Have you ever considered posting something relevant?
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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03 Apr 2007 11:27:21 AM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
The Son of God is ALWAYS "coming"
What a cocksman!
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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03 Apr 2007 11:43:58 AM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
The Son of God is ALWAYS "coming"
What a cocksman!
No wonder he hasn't returned. He must half dead.
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "jem" |
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27 Mar 2007 05:09:53 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:04:59 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174595398.634081.205010@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 24, 12:53 am, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"misanthropic_curmudgeon" <misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com>
wrote in
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Pastor Frank wrote:
We did hear from God, who came personally in the flesh of Jesus
Christ,
and we promptly nailed Him to a cross. Atheists are just awaiting for
Him
to
come again, so they can kill Him all over again.
I feel sorry for your flock, Pastor Frank, if that is the level of
'teaching' and 'guidance' you offer.
I feel sorry for your mental state, if that's all the logic you can
come
up with.
An athiest who was waiting for Jesus[TM] would not be an athiest,
because an athiest does not beleive Jesus[TM] existed/exists.
By very definition, anybody waiting for Jesus[TM] can not be an
athiest.
Hogwash. An atheists is not one who disbelieves the existence of
Jesus
Christ, but one who doesn't believe in god(s), as in 'give credence to
god(s)', regardless of whether they exist or not.
You are correct, an Atheist does not automatically mean they
disbelieve the historic figure of Jesus Christ.
However, they automaticly do reject the concept of his divinity.
So to say they are waiting for the event of the second coming, much
less "just to foil it," is just impossible.A second coming would
require a miracle of a divine nature. To say that atheists would await
it is foolishness of the highest order.
Hatter
There are enough ways to interpret that so it makes sense. Only
committed atheists interpret deliberately so nothing makes sense, and can be
trashed effortlessly, ...besides flaming anyone disagreeing with them.
And threatening to throw someone in the lake of fire is not flaming
anyone? For much less that "disagreeing"
You should make the sign of the cross when you see a superb flaming,
here or anywhere. After all, it's just like gawd would do if he had
internet access.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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25 Jan 2007 06:34:25 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:53:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"misanthropic_curmudgeon" <misanthropiccurmudgeon@breastcancermail.com>
wrote in message
news:1169509997.568616.99250@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
We did hear from God, who came personally in the flesh of Jesus Christ,
and we promptly nailed Him to a cross. Atheists are just awaiting for Him
to
come again, so they can kill Him all over again.
I feel sorry for your flock, Pastor Frank, if that is the level of
'teaching' and 'guidance' you offer.
I feel sorry for your mental state, if that's all the logic you can come
up with.
It ain't him, that is preaching hate; it is you.
It is therefore your mental state that needs correcting.
An athiest who was waiting for Jesus[TM] would not be an athiest,
because an athiest does not beleive Jesus[TM] existed/exists.
By very definition, anybody waiting for Jesus[TM] can not be an athiest.
Hogwash. An atheists is not one who disbelieves the existence of Jesus
Christ, but one who doesn't believe in god(s), as in 'give credence to
god(s)', regardless of whether they exist or not.
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| User: "bob young" |
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25 Jan 2007 11:30:03 PM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:53:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"misanthropic_curmudgeon" <misanthropiccurmudgeon@breastcancermail.com>
wrote in message
news:1169509997.568616.99250@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
We did hear from God, who came personally in the flesh of Jesus Christ,
and we promptly nailed Him to a cross. Atheists are just awaiting for Him
to
come again, so they can kill Him all over again.
I feel sorry for your flock, Pastor Frank, if that is the level of
'teaching' and 'guidance' you offer.
I feel sorry for your mental state, if that's all the logic you can come
up with.
It ain't him, that is preaching hate; it is you.
It is therefore your mental state that needs correcting.
I would add Frank that you have been doing it for a very long time now.
Hurling insults about people based on your imaginary ideas of what they are
like.
Shouldn't be too surprised at that I suppose; you take the same line of
reasoning to justify your god is there!.
An athiest who was waiting for Jesus[TM] would not be an athiest,
because an athiest does not beleive Jesus[TM] existed/exists.
By very definition, anybody waiting for Jesus[TM] can not be an athiest.
Hogwash. An atheists is not one who disbelieves the existence of Jesus
Christ, but one who doesn't believe in god(s), as in 'give credence to
god(s)', regardless of whether they exist or not.
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| User: "Warhol" |
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23 Jan 2007 04:10:48 PM |
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Because you dont pay Temple tribute... Zacca.
Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
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| User: "Heywood Jablomi" |
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20 Jan 2007 12:04:10 PM |
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Bill M <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<zOrsh.246$jA.126@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
All good questions, none of which will get a serious answer from a single
theist.
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If I was in charge of the universe, St Jude's
Hospital for Children would not need to exist
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
22 Jan 2007 07:31:29 AM |
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Bill M expressed precisely :
Some questions for theists.
I am in the process of examining my beliefs as a recent thread on here
has raised a - well, not a - but some questions. However, I am still a
theist until I complete that process. Therefore, I am going to answer
the four questions as a theist.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear
from their God?
How to you know they do not? Have you done a survey of all of them?
Many theists believe they receive messages/answers from their
deity/deities. I personally don't - well, after the one experience
which led me to theism.
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
My own personal belief (at present) is that there is only ONE deity -
all the other gods are what I call facets of the one. Facets which
humans at whatever time and place would accept. Umm, if an Indian
facet - Shiva, for example - appeared to an ancient Israeli.... well,
that just would not "work".
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
Why assume a deity did? Birth defects are the result of faulty
replication of genes, wars are human created, and disease is a function
of life - germs and viruses developed in the same way humans and
turtles did... evolution.
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
Devils are a christian accretion - created by men so as to frighten and
control a credulous populous.... just as men added their own accretions
to the tenets presented to humankind.
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
Men.
All of the above comments are from the present theist beliefs I
presently hold; they are subject to change. :-)
--
Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 01:04:41 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
If we were sure there is a God, we would all
be "goody two shoes". Who steals in front of cops?
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
We like to create our own "gods". i.e. idolatry
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
The world was created Good, and he told
us not to eat of the fruit of good and evil. We
should have listened to God.
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
We agreed to it in adam.
e.g. If there is a hole in the
wall people will walk by it.
Just put up a sign saying
don't look in hole, and we
all look.
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
They were created good, then they
did evil.
May I ask why atheists are so
obseesed with arguing with Christians?
Why don't you just eat, drink, and be
merry for tomorrow you die, unless
sadism turns you on?
Jim
Joh 14:21 - He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
22 Jan 2007 09:09:39 AM |
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wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
If we were sure there is a God, we would all
be "goody two shoes". Who steals in front of cops?
They (non-delusional) are not listening...
2.. If there is a real God, why does he permit the majority of his
creations to be deceived by hundreds of false Gods?
We like to create our own "gods". i.e. idolatry
Maya will be defeated in the end when Good is victorious over Evil.
3.. If there is a loving God creator, why did he create such a brutal and
defective world with birth defects, wars and diseases?
The world was created Good, and he told
us not to eat of the fruit of good and evil. We
should have listened to God.
Did the serpent lie? Moving on, I might agree the world was created
Good, if OT is still Scripture
for Episcopalians.
4.. If a Devil has created all the defects and punishments of the real
world, why does a loving God permit this mistreatment of his creations?
We agreed to it in adam.
e.g. If there is a hole in the
wall people will walk by it.
Just put up a sign saying
don't look in hole, and we
all look.
I agree that sin has a long chain.
5.. Who, why and what created Devils that enjoy misleading and punishing
God creations???
They were created good, then they
did evil.
OK.
May I ask why atheists are so
obseesed with arguing with Christians?
Why don't you just eat, drink, and be
merry for tomorrow you die, unless
sadism turns you on?
I don't understand atheists and their human spirit.
Jim
Joh 14:21 - He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jesus Christ - more talked about, more written about that any other -
man or woman - in history.
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| User: "Hank" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 01:21:39 PM |
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wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
May I add: Isn't this known as "begging the question"?
You haven't talked to very many people from BOTH sides have you?
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 02:09:35 PM |
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"Hank" <cookoojaboob@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1169407299.620376.247100@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear
from
their God?
May I add: Isn't this known as "begging the question"?
No, its a simple question you quite apperently can't answer intelligently
and resort to dodgem!
You haven't talked to very many people from BOTH sides have you?
I have consulted with dozens of people on this subject and NON have provided
a logical answer except
"that no gods exists"!
What evidence do you have to support your opinion???
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| User: "PH" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 02:04:45 PM |
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Hank wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
Bill M wrote:
Some questions for theists.
1.. Why do billions of honest non-delusional people never see or hear from
their God?
May I add: Isn't this known as "begging the question"?
You haven't talked to very many people from BOTH sides have you?
I have many questions too, but I don't know who to ask....so confused.
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| User: "misanthropic_curmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 03:23:40 PM |
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wrote:
If we were sure there is a God, we would all
be "goody two shoes". Who steals in front of cops?
Other cops! :)
May I ask why atheists are so
obseesed with arguing with Christians?
Because many Christians are obsessed with teling athiests how to live
their life: their Bible[TM] tells them to!
Christians have evolved(!) from things like inqusisions and hereasy
laws to more subtle laws like telling us who we can marry, can live
with, have sex with, demanding aspects of their faith in public
buildings ....
When was the last time an Athiest come knocking at your dorr two-by-two
in a bad suit?
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| User: "elemtilas" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
21 Jan 2007 10:46:34 PM |
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misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
jwsheffield@satx.rr.com wrote:
May I ask why atheists are so
obseesed with arguing with Christians?
Because many Christians are obsessed with teling athiests how to live
their life: their Bible[TM] tells them to!
Live and let live is the best resolution here. Prosletysation is not
the answer.
Christians have evolved(!) from things like inqusisions and hereasy
laws to more subtle laws like telling us who we can marry, can live
with, have sex with, demanding aspects of their faith in public
buildings ....
When was the last time an Athiest come knocking at your dorr two-by-two
in a bad suit?
To be honest with you, many of the above are more matters of culture
than actual religion. The majority culture in, for example the US, is
one where male+female marriage, and taboos against certain sexual
practices are the norm. We will have those laws that you don't like so
long as the majority practice that sort of culture and expect their
government to support it. If you want to ***** your neighbour's golden
retriever and marry your two sisters -- well, you need to go and find a
country where you'll be allowed to do that, cos this ain't that country
at this time.
It is true that Atheists have not really taken to active prosletysation
(a Good Thing!), but rather than ignore dingdong Christians that try to
come after you, too many Atheists feel that the appropriate response is
to act like a sixth grader hurling insults on the playground. That does
nothing for your side of the argument except inflame the issue.
Padraic
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
22 Jan 2007 06:25:35 PM |
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"elemtilas" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1169441193.960521.187540@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It is true that Atheists have not really taken to active prosletysation
(a Good Thing!), but rather than ignore dingdong Christians that try to
come after you, too many Atheists feel that the appropriate response is
to act like a sixth grader hurling insults on the playground. That does
nothing for your side of the argument except inflame the issue.
That's where you are wrong. Atheists and their legal arm, the ACLU have
manage to enforce censorship on government property. There you are not
permitted to speak in favour of religion or its principles, AKA preach,
teach or pray aloud. That means schools are graduating millions of
functional atheists who have no meaning for the word "God" nor any idea of
the religious heritage of their nation. Also textbooks have been sanitized
of religion, so that the Pilgrims are portrayed as mere economic migrants,
etc.
Young minds interpret the enforced silence as an indication, that
religion is a left-over of a more simple-minded, archaic if not primitive
past and has nothing worth telling modern mankind.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "misanthropic_curmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
24 Jan 2007 03:39:24 PM |
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On Jan 23, 1:25 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
That's where you are wrong. Atheists and their legal arm, the ACLU
Yeah, those pesky ACLU people, standing up for freedom and speaking out
againt unjust oppression!! The work of the debbil, I tell ya!!
have
manage to enforce censorship on government property. There you are not
permitted to speak in favour of religion or its principles, AKA preach,
teach or pray aloud. That means schools are graduating millions of
functional atheists who have no meaning for the word "God" nor any idea of
the religious heritage of their nation.
Why do you condone promoting (your) religion but not others, or the
silliness of it? Should your faith be the only one promoted?
Young minds interpret the enforced silence as an indication, that
religion is a left-over of a more simple-minded, archaic if not primitive
past
Ah, if only they did! Unfortuantely there are many parenst intent on
programming, abusing and indoctronating their kids about pixies,
goblins and factually incorrect mythology.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR THEISTS |
23 Jan 2007 02:40:46 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:25:35 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"elemtilas" <elemtilas@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1169441193.960521.187540@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
It is true that Atheists have not really taken to active prosletysation
(a Good Thing!), but rather than ignore dingdong Christians that try to
come after you, too many Atheists feel that the appropriate response is
to act like a sixth grader hurling insults on the playground. That does
nothing for your side of the argument except inflame the issue.
That's where you are wrong. Atheists and their legal arm, the ACLU have
manage to enforce censorship on government property. There you are not
permitted to speak in favour of religion or its principles, AKA preach,
teach or pray aloud. That means schools are graduating millions of
functional atheists who have no meaning for the word "God" nor any idea of
the religious heritage of their nation. Also textbooks have been sanitized
of religion, so that the Pilgrims are portrayed as mere economic migrants,
etc.
Young minds interpret the enforced silence as an indication, that
religion is a left-over of a more simple-minded, archaic if not primitive
past and has nothing worth telling modern mankind.
So, what is wrong with that?
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