| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Smith Computer" |
| Date: |
10 Jan 2005 09:03:59 AM |
| Object: |
Questions from Enkidu |
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which are
the earliest indication of his name.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
.
|
|
| User: "Kate " |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
23 Jan 2005 09:26:07 PM |
|
|
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:05:46 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:04:12 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain how lack of belief could be considered a lie.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 10:24:01 AM |
|
|
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:05:46 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:04:12 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain how lack of belief could be considered a lie.
No answer... eh?
'Lack of belief' indicates only ignorance of a subject. You
either believe or disbelieve, there is no middle ground
between them.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 04:13:06 AM |
|
|
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:04:12 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain why you need to continuously make silly remarks
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 10:27:54 AM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:04:12 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain why you need to continuously make silly remarks
I see, you can't explain it either.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Smith Computer" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 02:20:57 PM |
|
|
"Roy Jose Lorr"
<snip>
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports
evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain why you need to continuously make silly remarks
I see, you can't explain it either.
I can explain it for you Roy. You see, the common atheist has it in their
mind that they believe nothing. That is not absolutely true, for we have
Kate here who says that she believes atheism conquers evil and others who
say they don't believe this or that. To make a long story short we have
only to think of the result that atheist believe, they alone, have. They
believe nothing so they can not believe a lie. It does not matter that that
is a belief in itself which makes the prior belief a lie, it only matters
that is what they believe.
"And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: "Come!" And let anyone hearing
say: "Come!" And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life
's water free."
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 05:38:21 PM |
|
|
Smith Computer wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr"
<snip>
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports
evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Explain why you need to continuously make silly remarks
I see, you can't explain it either.
I can explain it for you Roy. You see, the common atheist has it in their
mind that they believe nothing. That is not absolutely true, for we have
Kate here who says that she believes atheism conquers evil and others who
say they don't believe this or that. To make a long story short we have
only to think of the result that atheist believe, they alone, have. They
believe nothing so they can not believe a lie. It does not matter that that
is a belief in itself which makes the prior belief a lie, it only matters
that is what they believe.
What they believe infects society with the evil Moses' God warns against.
Their new definitions, making immoral acts moral are basically the same
old idolatrous definitions in modern garb. For instance: in order to
conform to the idolater's belief in free sex, they've redefined "sex". Its
now common to find grade school children believing the atheist lie that
sex is only the specific activity involving the penetration of the
reproductively viable male organ into the corresponding mature female
organ. Under this new highly narrowed definition, homosexuality and
pedophelia are no longer sex and therefore not subject to restraint under
the restrictive taboos civilized humans have erected against harmful
sexual behavior. In this new/old world of idolatry we are freed from our
"false" taboos by "true" taboos that make our taboos, taboo... Though
they won't acknowledge it (for now), that is the atheist answer to my
question. Which atheist was it said?: 'the truth is what you make it'.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
23 Jan 2005 10:17:32 PM |
|
|
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
[...]
Do not let you rself be conquered by the evil, but keep
conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who
follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports
evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
It dispells lies.
Explain how lies dispell lies.
Do you know what "begging the question"
means?
m
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 08:06:32 PM |
|
|
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Why do you want to hurt others? That is evil.
Projection is good.
I have no doubt you are quite good at it.
Brilliant.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
23 Jan 2005 12:04:18 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Explain how 'banal superstiton' is evil.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 04:11:21 AM |
|
|
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Explain how 'banal superstiton' is evil.
Anything that causes a lie could be said to be evil. The spreading of superstitious lies
certainly is. A preacher on a rostrum spouting Christian dogma from the bible and from
his own imagination and who then says out loud "These are the words of god", is presenting
his issues as a bare faced lie. We hear this kind of distortion from most preachers.
Bob
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 01:31:46 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Explain how 'banal superstiton' is evil.
Anything that causes a lie could be said to be evil. The spreading of superstitious lies
certainly is. A preacher on a rostrum spouting Christian dogma from the bible and from
his own imagination and who then says out loud "These are the words of god", is presenting
his issues as a bare faced lie. We hear this kind of distortion from most preachers.
Perhaps you can explain how "banal" ('commonplace and trite') "superstition"
('irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to
a course of events influences its outcome') intended to ward off harm
misfortune and destruction is morally wrong or evil.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 11:54:09 PM |
|
|
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Explain how 'banal superstiton' is evil.
Anything that causes a lie could be said to be evil. The spreading of superstitious lies
certainly is. A preacher on a rostrum spouting Christian dogma from the bible and from
his own imagination and who then says out loud "These are the words of god", is presenting
his issues as a bare faced lie. We hear this kind of distortion from most preachers.
Perhaps you can explain how "banal" ('commonplace and trite') "superstition"
('irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to
a course of events influences its outcome') intended to ward off harm
misfortune and destruction is morally wrong or evil.
Religion does not ward off anything other than cause the followers to achieve a sense of
satisfaction and glibness.
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I am against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for imaginary gods. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
25 Jan 2005 01:39:35 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:02:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Choosing atheism doesn't hurt others the way people who follow
religion do. It is the only way for moral persons.
Please answer the question.
By not doing evil. By not setting up a society that supports evil.
What evil does atheism conquer?
Banal superstition
Explain how 'banal superstiton' is evil.
Anything that causes a lie could be said to be evil. The spreading of superstitious lies
certainly is. A preacher on a rostrum spouting Christian dogma from the bible and from
his own imagination and who then says out loud "These are the words of god", is presenting
his issues as a bare faced lie. We hear this kind of distortion from most preachers.
Perhaps you can explain how "banal" ('commonplace and trite') "superstition"
('irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to
a course of events influences its outcome') intended to ward off harm
misfortune and destruction is morally wrong or evil.
Religion does not ward off anything other than cause the followers to achieve a sense of
satisfaction and glibness.
Illusions created by religion are necessary to the well
being of the human psyche. In and of themselves the
illusions are not necessarily evil.
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I am against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for imaginary gods. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
Japan is hardly a good example of 'decent living
without the need for gods'.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
25 Jan 2005 08:47:58 AM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I am
against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for imaginary
gods. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
Have you heard of the "Rape of Nanking"? "The
Bataan Death March"?
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
26 Jan 2005 12:00:39 AM |
|
|
wrote:
bob young wrote:
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I am
against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for imaginary
gods. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
Have you heard of the "Rape of Nanking"? "The
Bataan Death March"?
I am talking, as you very well know, about the life styles of today.
Whilst the USA has been involved in two wars since WWII, many people
feeling both wars were unnecesary Japan has surged ahead to the extent
the USA buys a good deal of it's hi tech items from that country.
Your answer was not clever, it was pointless and silly
.
|
|
|
| User: "Rob Duncan" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
26 Jan 2005 11:26:24 PM |
|
|
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41F73208.5E8FE6FC@netvigator.com...
jfacts@earthlink.net wrote:
bob young wrote:
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I am
against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for imaginary
gods. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
Have you heard of the "Rape of Nanking"? "The
Bataan Death March"?
I am talking, as you very well know, about the life styles of today.
Whilst the USA has been involved in two wars since WWII, many people
feeling both wars were unnecesary Japan has surged ahead to the extent
the USA buys a good deal of it's hi tech items from that country.
Yes. Theyve become a good manufacturer for us. As have our other
conquests.
Your answer was not clever, it was pointless and silly
You obviously no not the state of Japan.
Rob
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
26 Jan 2005 02:33:34 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
jfacts@earthlink.net wrote:
bob young wrote:
Whilst some aspects of religion, teching and walfare, do good I
am
against it in general.
humans can and do live decent lives without the need for
imaginary
go ds. Japan is one nation
that springs to mind.
Have you heard of the "Rape of Nanking"? "The
Bataan Death March"?
I am talking, as you very well know, about the life styles of today.
Why doesn't their behavior, when they had a chance
to fully express it (somethnig that hasn't been true
since the end of WWII), count?
Whilst the USA has been involved in two wars since WWII, many people
feeling both wars were unnecesary Japan has surged ahead to the
extent
the USA buys a good deal of it's hi tech items from that country.
This is irrelevant to your point.
Your answer was not clever, it was pointless and silly
Because?
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 01:43:58 PM |
|
|
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
January 27th
Na bister 500,000
.
|
|
|
| User: "Smith Computer" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 04:59:55 PM |
|
|
"Dubh Ghall"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
| User: "wcb" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 04:41:11 PM |
|
|
Smith Computer wrote:
"Dubh Ghall"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for
them to know him and his purposes.
Your non-existant sky pixie is not loving in tyeh bible.
He is an evil sunuvabitch. You can't even read your
book of crapopy tall tales and get it right.
For example, this cretinous god myth has god creating Adam for
one reason.
Stoop labor. A gardener. To be kept ignorant and mortal.
God panics when Adam becomes knowl;edagle about good and evil, and throws
him out of the garden lest he eat also from the magic fruit tree of the
tree of life and live forever also and become a god.
And yet, you fruitcakes tell us this stupid tall tale shows
him as loving us? He no more loved us than a farmer loves a goat
in his herd.
Your evil god mandated genocides, murders, and massacres.
No love here. You you moan on about how the non-existant sky pixie loves
us, though its obvuious to anybody with a brain that was not so.
The question is, how do people like you get so stupid?
This magic sky pixie is depicted as making the Jews his
favorites and hating all others, go to Canaan, kill all the Canaanites.
And archeology tells us all these massacres and genocide did not hapen, it
was in the end, a fairy tale written by evil billy goat herder priests with
a distinctly immoral idea of what a god was supposed to be like.
Some people say Jesus was the magic sky pixie. If so, then all those big
promises Jesus made you'd work big miracles as promised from the magic sky
pixie.
They don't work as promised.
Yet the stupid people don't notice the promises don't work.
And Jesus told us he'd preside over the end of the world and judgment day
itself 1900 years ago, which did not happen.
Still, the stupid people don't notice either of these things.
Because, well, they are stupid. How did all these fools get so willfully
stupid?
God is for fools. Religion makes you stupid.
--
Cheerful Charlie
.
|
|
|
| User: "Smith Computer" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 02:19:01 PM |
|
|
"wcb"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for
them to know him and his purposes.
Your non-existant sky pixie is not loving in tyeh bible.
He is an evil sunuvabitch. You can't even read your
book of crapopy tall tales and get it right.
For example, this cretinous god myth has god creating Adam for
one reason.
Stoop labor. A gardener. To be kept ignorant and mortal.
God panics when Adam becomes knowl;edagle about good and evil, and throws
him out of the garden lest he eat also from the magic fruit tree of the
tree of life and live forever also and become a god.
And yet, you fruitcakes tell us this stupid tall tale shows
him as loving us? He no more loved us than a farmer loves a goat
in his herd.
Your evil god mandated genocides, murders, and massacres.
No love here. You you moan on about how the non-existant sky pixie loves
us, though its obvuious to anybody with a brain that was not so.
The question is, how do people like you get so stupid?
This magic sky pixie is depicted as making the Jews his
favorites and hating all others, go to Canaan, kill all the Canaanites.
And archeology tells us all these massacres and genocide did not hapen, it
was in the end, a fairy tale written by evil billy goat herder priests
with
a distinctly immoral idea of what a god was supposed to be like.
Some people say Jesus was the magic sky pixie. If so, then all those big
promises Jesus made you'd work big miracles as promised from the magic sky
pixie.
They don't work as promised.
Yet the stupid people don't notice the promises don't work.
And Jesus told us he'd preside over the end of the world and judgment day
itself 1900 years ago, which did not happen.
Still, the stupid people don't notice either of these things.
Because, well, they are stupid. How did all these fools get so willfully
stupid?
God is for fools. Religion makes you stupid.
In the recent past, I indicated by means of a reply to "Cheerful Charlie"
that he was unworthy of reply. That assessment may have been premature as
he now demonstrates the ability to bring me to tears with laughter.
"Put away all badness and all deceitfulness and hypocrisy and envies and all
sorts of backbiting, and, as newborn infants, form a longing for the
unadulterated milk belonging to the word, that through it you may grow to
salvation, provided you have tasted that the Lord is kind."-1 Peter 2:1-3.
The Smutty
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 11:11:01 PM |
|
|
Smith Computer wrote:
"Dubh Ghall"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
Your god is the invention of man so it has no ability for love. It is a
pathetic need of some humans for an imaginary god to love them - they can't
face life without it.
grow up
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
| User: "Smith Computer" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 08:08:22 AM |
|
|
"bob young"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for
them
to know him and his purposes.
Your god is the invention of man so it has no ability for love. It is a
pathetic need of some humans for an imaginary god to love them - they
can't
face life without it.
grow up
Your inability to see with spiritual eyes is a direct result of your not
taking in spiritual nourishment. You lack of reasoning is of your own
choosing, so if there is one who needs to become spiritually mature, it very
well could be yourself.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 08:02:21 PM |
|
|
Smith Computer wrote:
"bob young"
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for
them
to know him and his purposes.
Your god is the invention of man so it has no ability for love. It is a
pathetic need of some humans for an imaginary god to love them - they
can't
face life without it.
grow up
Your inability to see with spiritual eyes is a direct result of your not
taking in spiritual nourishment. You lack of reasoning is of your own
choosing, so if there is one who needs to become spiritually mature, it very
well could be yourself.
As they say 'been there, done that' then had the sense to throw off the drag of
superstition and start living in the real life - the vast wide array of all
types of decent humanity.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
| User: "Smith Computer" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
22 Jan 2005 02:54:19 PM |
|
|
"bob young" <
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
Maybe. However, it seems to me that something great is lost as
well.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity
for
them to know him and his purposes.
Your god is the invention of man so it has no ability for love. It is
a
pathetic need of some humans for an imaginary god to love them - they
can't face life without it.grow up
Your inability to see with spiritual eyes is a direct result of your not
taking in spiritual nourishment. You lack of reasoning is of your own
choosing, so if there is one who needs to become spiritually mature, it
very
well could be yourself.
As they say 'been there, done that' then had the sense to throw off the
drag of
superstition and start living in the real life - the vast wide array of
all
types of decent humanity.
They may say it, and so may you however, I am not certain you have yet seen
the real life.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
The Smitty
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 11:09:38 PM |
|
|
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
YES, absolutely correct.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
January 27th
Na bister 500,000
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 01:17:03 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
YES, absolutely correct.
I don't think so. The core of atheism is simply an
absence of a belief in gods. Nothing more,
nothing less. ~
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 08:04:56 PM |
|
|
wrote:
bob young wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
YES, absolutely correct.
I don't think so. The core of atheism is simply an
absence of a belief in gods. Nothing more,
nothing less. ~
~ that's what 'you' think.
Take note of Emmett's last sentence:
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is
freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty
to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to
understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact
it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 11:23:21 PM |
|
|
bob young wrote:
jfacts@earthlink.net wrote:
bob young wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
YES, absolutely correct.
I don't think so. The core of atheism is simply an
absence of a belief in gods. Nothing more,
nothing less. ~
~ that's what 'you' think.
That's what I just said. What's your point?
Take note of Emmett's l ast sentence:
Ok. So? What's your point? Did you want me to
critique this? Ok...
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is
freedom.
If this was always true then there would be no fundy
atheists. I've seen atheists who will whittle down a page
or two of your reasoned argument to a single sentence,
make what they think is a snappy rejoinder and then
declare victory. That doesn't sound like reason to me.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty
to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to
understand.
How does he explain intellectually dishonest atheists
then? That they aren't really atheists? Implying that
people who are religious can't be intellectually honest isn't
very reasoned either.
And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact
it is not, and never has been, a religion at all.
He got that part right anyway.
The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Hyperbole.
George Smith in "Atheism - The Case Against God,"
defines atheism as a "lack of theism."
From Michael Martin's _Atheism: A Philosophical
Justification_ page 463:
"Well-known atheists of the past such as Baron d'Holback
(1770), Richard Carlile (1826), Charles Southwell (1842),
Charles Bradlaugh (1876), and Ann Besant (1877) have assumed
or have explicitly characterized atheism in the negative
sense of absence of belief in God.
Gordon Stein, in _An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism
_ (1980), says an atheist 'is a person without a belief in God.'
.
|
|
|
| User: "bob young" |
|
| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 04:17:01 AM |
|
|
wrote:
bob young wrote:
wrote:
bob young wrote:
Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:33:11 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
What evil does atheism conquer?
Superstition.
YES, absolutely correct.
I don't think so. The core of atheism is simply an
absence of a belief in gods. Nothing more,
nothing less. ~
~ that's what 'you' think.
That's what I just said. What's your point?
Take note of Emmett's l ast sentence:
Ok. So? What's your point? Did you want me to
critique this? Ok...
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is
freedom.
If this was always true then there would be no fundy
atheists. I've seen atheists who will whittle down a page
or two of your reasoned argument to a single sentence,
make what they think is a snappy rejoinder and then
declare victory. That doesn't sound like reason to me.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty
to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to
understand.
How does he explain intellectually dishonest atheists
then? That they aren't really atheists? Implying that
people who are religious can't be intellectually honest isn't
very reasoned either.
And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact
it is not, and never has been, a religion at all.
He got that part right anyway.
The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Hyperbole.
I repeat. Atheism, a bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Don't ask me to list the madness, I couldn't live long enough to
type it all and by the time I had finished something else will have
replaced NG's on the internet!
George Smith in "Atheism - The Case Against God,"
defines atheism as a "lack of theism."
From Michael Martin's _Atheism: A Philosophical
Justification_ page 463:
"Well-known atheists of the past such as Baron d'Holback
(1770), Richard Carlile (1826), Charles Southwell (1842),
Charles Bradlaugh (1876), and Ann Besant (1877) have assumed
or have explicitly characterized atheism in the negative
sense of absence of belief in God.
Gordon Stein, in _An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism
_ (1980), says an atheist 'is a person without a belief in God.'
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
