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"Smith Computer" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:03:59 AM |
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Questions from Enkidu |
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which are
the earliest indication of his name.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 11:04:13 PM |
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bob young wrote:
jfacts@earthlink.net wrote:
[...]
The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Hyperbole.
I repeat. Atheism, a bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Is it sane to believe that repetition this will
convey additional import to the assertion?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 11:55:11 PM |
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wrote:
bob young wrote:
wrote:
[...]
The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Hyperbole.
I repeat. Atheism, a bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
Is it sane to believe that repetition this will
convey additional import to the assertion?
Absolutely, politicians do it all the time.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
19 Jan 2005 09:27:44 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 09:21:17 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 11:08:27 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 12:00:59 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 08:00:36 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Banal superstition
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
23 Jan 2005 12:02:51 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Banal superstition
Explain how banal superstition is evil.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 04:03:48 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Banal superstition
Explain how banal superstition is evil.
Well if I am to use the word evil the same way as it is used by religionists then it covers a
whole lot of ground.
I would say supertition is more 'pathetic' than 'evil'. Only when wars are fought in the
name of gods does evil rear it's ugly head.
Religion does not conquer evil, it uses evil as a tool. In ancient times maybe the imaginary
gods made evil people fearful for their lives both here and in the hereafter, but today we
have surpassed that style of thinking, wouldn't you agree?
Bob
Humanist Brit
Hong Kong
The difficulty is old, but none the less real. An omnipotent being who created a world
containing evil not due to sin must Himself be at least partially evil.
[Bertrand Russell]
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
24 Jan 2005 01:46:31 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:56:51 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
"Kate "
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident
demonstration of realities though not beheld."
Wishful thinking, iow.
If the expectation of things was assured, there would be no reason for
faith.
The word "faith" is translated from the Greek pi´stis,
primarily conveying the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion.
Depending on the context, the Greek word may also be understood to mean
"faithfulness" or "fidelity."-1Th 3:7; Tit 2:10.
Sometimes, fallible humans create expectation where there is no reasonable
evidence that it should exist however we all should examine our faith to
that end.
One hopes that you will continue to look at how your 'faith' serves
not the good of all, but only the good of those who espouse it.
Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil
with the good.
I do. That's why I'm an atheist.
What evil does atheism conquer?
You are totally brain washed by having 'evil' crammed down your throat from the
age of two by religionists.
ALL humans recognise evil, the majority practice it and the minority who do not
are taken care of by law enfocement and rule of law.
I know, I know, your Pastor will tell you that although god has not sorted out
evil yet, He is coming to do it soon. What arrant garbage.
Stop your lunacy
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Ooooh, so your imaginary god conquers evil so He exists. Round about pointless weak
logic if ever i rad any.
"What evil does atheism conquer?"
Banal superstition
Explain how banal superstition is evil.
Well if I am to use the word evil the same way as it is used by religionists then it covers a
whole lot of ground.
I would say supertition is more 'pathetic' than 'evil'. Only when wars are fought in the
name of gods does evil rear it's ugly head.
Religion does not conquer evil, it uses evil as a tool. In ancient times maybe the imaginary
gods made evil people fearful for their lives both here and in the hereafter, but today we
have surpassed that style of thinking, wouldn't you agree?
e·vil
adj.
Morally bad or wrong.
su·per·sti·tion
n.
A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance
of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
Idolatry.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Jez" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:11:16 AM |
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Smith Computer wrote:
"Al Klein"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, of course, you have not read the answers that you want to read.
However, the inspired utterance
Hallucinatory ***** you mean.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "bob young" |
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11 Jan 2005 10:59:54 PM |
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Smith Computer wrote:
"Al Klein"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, of course, you have not read the answers that you want to read.
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of
time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading
inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who
speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding
to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken
of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth
The Smitty
Seems to me they give out narcotics in your church Smitty!
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:04:52 AM |
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TV's bob young wrote:
Smith Computer wrote:
"Al Klein"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, of course, you have not read the answers that you want to read.
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of
time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading
inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men
who
speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3
forbidding
to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be
partaken
of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the
truth
The Smitty
Seems to me they give out narcotics in your church Smitty!
Now that's a church I could get excited about attending.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Jez" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:12:05 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Smith Computer wrote:
"Al Klein"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, of course, you have not read the answers that you want to read.
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of
time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading
inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who
speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding
to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken
of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth
The Smitty
Seems to me they give out narcotics in your church Smitty!
So they should.....
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html
:)
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 07:31:43 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Jan 2005 03:24:42 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
No, I mean apologism isn't an answer.
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 05:12:57 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
No, I mean apologism isn't an answer.
Yet, you are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked, then I'll answer your
hate filled spurious charge.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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11 Jan 2005 08:03:18 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't. Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
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"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."
--George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000
"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith,
deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by
God to save Germany."
--Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler
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| User: "bob young" |
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11 Jan 2005 11:07:57 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't. Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
--
"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president."
--George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000
"God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith,
deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by
God to save Germany."
--Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler
Two good reasons that show how little hope there is for humanity
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 09:36:33 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
"You are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?"
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't.
I see, the State punishes its legal murderers of babies in wombs.
Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
Moses' God does not support murder. If you think you can
find that He does, somewhere in the Five Books of Moses,
present it, chapter and verse.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:26:39 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:36:33 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
"You are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig.
Nope. That's a piece of software doing that all by itself. DO get
your mind out of kindergarten.
Why are you addicted to bruiting about non answers?"
Why are you addicted to bruiting about non-questions?
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't.
I see, the State punishes its legal murderers of babies in wombs.
No. Anyone who finds a baby in a womb and murders it (murder, of
course, requiring that the victim was born) will be prosecuted.
BTW, your god, in those first 5 books, says that killing the life in
the womb is a civil tort against the father, not something one should
be prosecuted for. Don't you accept the words of your own god?
Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
Moses' God does not support murder. If you think you can
find that He does, somewhere in the Five Books of Moses,
present it, chapter and verse.
Numbers 31:17, for one. Killing people counts as murder. Killing
children, as in Numbers 31:17, is far worse.
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"religion did for *****, what Stonehenge did for rocks"
- The World Famous Tink
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 01:12:28 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:36:33 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
"You are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig.
Nope. That's a piece of software doing that all by itself. DO get
your mind out of kindergarten.
When you post a quote, you assert it.
Why are you addicted to bruiting about non answers?"
Why are you addicted to bruiting about non-questions?
Pull yourself together, Al.
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't.
I see, the State punishes its legal murderers of babies in wombs.
No. Anyone who finds a baby in a womb and murders it (murder, of
course, requiring that the victim was born) will be prosecuted.
I see, partial birth stops short of being born.
BTW, your god, in those first 5 books, says that killing the life in
the womb is a civil tort against the father, not something one should
be prosecuted for. Don't you accept the words of your own god?
You're babbling, Al... chapter and verse, chapter and verse.
Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
Moses' God does not support murder. If you think you can
find that He does, somewhere in the Five Books of Moses,
present it, chapter and verse.
Numbers 31:17, for one. Killing people counts as murder. Killing
children, as in Numbers 31:17, is far worse.
Killing is not murder... learn the difference.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 08:18:55 AM |
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TV's Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Numbers 31:17, for one. Killing people counts as murder. Killing
children, as in Numbers 31:17, is far worse.
Killing is not murder... learn the difference.
Would you be opposed to being murdered? And would it be okay if somebody
"killed" you?
You're dead either way. To the victim, there is absolutely no difference.
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"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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13 Jan 2005 09:07:39 AM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Numbers 31:17, for one. Killing people counts as murder. Killing
children, as in Numbers 31:17, is far worse.
Killing is not murder... learn the difference.
Would you be opposed to being murdered? And would it be okay if somebody
"killed" you?
You're dead either way. To the victim, there is absolutely no difference.
Irrelevant.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 07:32:08 PM |
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TV's Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
towelie wrote:
TV's Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Numbers 31:17, for one. Killing people counts as murder. Killing
children, as in Numbers 31:17, is far worse.
Killing is not murder... learn the difference.
Would you be opposed to being murdered? And would it be okay if somebody
"killed" you?
You're dead either way. To the victim, there is absolutely no
difference.
Irrelevant.
It's completely relevant. Are you going to answer my question?
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 11:10:09 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
"You are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?"
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't.
I see, the State punishes its legal murderers of babies in wombs.
Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
Moses' God does not support murder. If you think you can
find that He does, somewhere in the Five Books of Moses,
present it, chapter and verse.
How can you find out anything such as the above anywhere in the bible, as it
is written by humans, not be a god!
.....The bible is a religious book, possibly over 2000 years old, translated
dozens of times, made up from early parchments, the safe keeping and the
accuracy of which, when taken over thousands of years, must be treated with
extreme scepticism.
Printing of books and bibles for general distribution did not start until six
hundred years ago, before that religious documents were translated and hand
written
by scribes and monks who added or subtracted whatever suited them, either on
ethical or religious grounds, or for purely personal gratification, or under
pressure from the warlord of the time who used religion and the fear of it's
god to subjugate the population in the absence of rule of law. We humans do
that, you know.
Only in religious books do we read about miracles. The bible projects it's
own set of beliefs; therefore quoting from this same book to justify what is
already in it, is painfully ridiculous.
It could be said that the bible is not a revelation, but a mental trap
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 01:04:51 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:12:57 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
atheist apologetic
Lack of acceptance of your assertion apologetic? That makes no sense.
"You are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?"
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked
It doesn't.
I see, the State punishes its legal murderers of babies in wombs.
Now answer mine. (And it does - right in your first 5
books.)
Moses' God does not support murder. If you think you can
find that He does, somewhere in the Five Books of Moses,
present it, chapter and verse.
How can you find out anything such as the above anywhere in the bible, as it
is written by humans, not be a god!
Moses' God dictated the Five Books of Moses...
....The bible is a religious book, possibly over 2000 years old, translated
dozens of times, made up from early parchments, the safe keeping and the
accuracy of which, when taken over thousands of years, must be treated with
extreme scepticism.
Printing of books and bibles for general distribution did not start until six
hundred years ago, before that religious documents were translated and hand
written
by scribes and monks who added or subtracted whatever suited them, either on
ethical or religious grounds, or for purely personal gratification, or under
pressure from the warlord of the time who used religion and the fear of it's
god to subjugate the population in the absence of rule of law. We humans do
that, you know.
Only in religious books do we read about miracles. The bible projects it's
own set of beliefs; therefore quoting from this same book to justify what is
already in it, is painfully ridiculous.
Each book proves itself either right or wrong.
It could be said that the bible is not a revelation, but a mental trap
"Mental trap' is inherent in the human condition, to which
the Five Books of Moses were given in mitigation.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 11:05:36 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
No, I mean apologism isn't an answer.
Yet, you are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked, then I'll answer your
hate filled spurious charge.
How can he answer on behalf of The State, you fool!
"And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor
shew mercy unto them" (Deuteronomy 7:2).
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 01:15:48 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
No, I mean apologism isn't an answer.
Yet, you are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked, then I'll answer your
hate filled spurious charge.
How can he answer on behalf of The State, you fool!
In our Republic he is the State...
"And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor
shew mercy unto them" (Deuteronomy 7:2).
Your point being?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
14 Jan 2005 05:03:28 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:43 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:40:36 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"towelie"
He refuses to stop evil to prove that somebody lied? That's about the
stupidest thing I've ever read in here, and that's quite an
accomplishment.
You must not read much.
We've all read apologism. None of us have read answers.
You mean, most dont recognize answers when they see them.
No, I mean apologism isn't an answer.
Yet, you are in the habit of posting a constantly changing marquee
of atheist apologetic in your sig. Why are you addicted to bruiting
about non answers?
Murdering a baby in the womb is murder, Murdering the murderer
of that baby is murder. Murder is murder, any way its sliced. Why
does the State support the former and punish the latter?
Why does your god support murdering others as long as they're not his
chosen people?
First, answer the question I asked, then I'll answer your
hate filled spurious charge.
How can he answer on behalf of The State, you fool!
In our Republic he is the State...
"And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor
shew mercy unto them" (Deuteronomy 7:2).
Your point being?
religions breed murder
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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