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Religions > Atheism |
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"Smith Computer" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:03:59 AM |
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Questions from Enkidu |
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which are
the earliest indication of his name.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
14 Jan 2005 11:40:55 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
18 Jan 2005 02:22:21 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41E8ACE8.F99232B9@netvigator.com...
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also
blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and
the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is
not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you
might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an
aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the
floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance
Because you dont understand whats behind it, you label it as...
I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
And your logic in calling it insanity is...?
Rob
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
18 Jan 2005 11:30:54 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:22:21 -0800, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> said in alt.atheism:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41E8ACE8.F99232B9@netvigator.com...
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the
floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance
Because you dont understand whats behind it
Sure we do - delusion and showmanship.
I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
And your logic in calling it insanity is...?
That it's insanity. (Religious belief is NOT an example of sanity.)
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
15 Jan 2005 09:58:22 PM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
16 Jan 2005 12:12:37 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Honmg Kong
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
19 Jan 2005 07:29:14 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
How should they not behave?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
How many billions?
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Do you have evidence for the non existence of evil spirits?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
19 Jan 2005 09:25:01 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
How should they not behave?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
How many billions?
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Do you have evidence for the non existence of evil spirits?
Yes because I am well aware having seen, heard and read stuff by pathalogically superstitious idiots and
since evil spirits were first imagined by man, that's all the proof any sane person needs.
Here's a piece of advice as I doubt we will be chatting for much longer - start living a life of
reality, there IS a real world out there, it is ALL you have got, so enjoy it.
bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 09:30:35 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
How should they not behave?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
How many billions?
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Do you have evidence for the non existence of evil spirits?
Yes because I am well aware having seen, heard and read stuff by pathalogically superstitious idiots and
since evil spirits were first imagined by man, that's all the proof any sane person needs.
What [evidence] do you have that 'evil spirits' were first imagined by man?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
20 Jan 2005 11:07:08 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
How should they not behave?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
How many billions?
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Do you have evidence for the non existence of evil spirits?
Yes because I am well aware having seen, heard and read stuff by pathalogically superstitious idiots and
since evil spirits were first imagined by man, that's all the proof any sane person needs.
What [evidence] do you have that 'evil spirits' were first imagined by man?
none required my common sense is good enough
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 03:42:52 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:07:08 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> said in alt.atheism:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
What [evidence] do you have that 'evil spirits' were first imagined by man?
none required my common sense is good enough
TOTAL lack of objective evidence of 'evil spirits' helps too. :)
--
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
21 Jan 2005 11:59:46 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
bob young wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:18:13 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
bob young wrote:
You read too much from your book of fables and you also blindly followed what
your parents taught you and of course they did the same, and the same, and the
same...until we get back to the primitives
From which books of fables did you read?
Not everyone needs fables. For some of us, reality suffices.
Wrong on both counts.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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rukbat at verizon dot net
Straight out of the "Atheist Creed".
Only Christianity has a Creed.
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Now take a second read of Emmett Field's last sentence above - you might learn
something.
Straight out of the Atheist Creed.
Nope - common sense statement of fact.
Atheists have no creed, such things are nonsense
creed
n.
1.A statement of religious belief; a confession of faith.
2.A system of belief, principles, or opinions:
Thanks, that's right, exactly what I said - we have no creed, only an aching desire to see our
brothers and sisters behaving like sane individuals.
How do you believe 'sane individuals should behave'?
I know how they should not behave, that's enough for anyone.
How should they not behave?
When I watch an evangelistic 'Show' on TV and see some fool lying on the floor shaking his
body and waving his hands in the air in a trance I know how far down the road of insanity man
has managed to drag himself.
Do you believe man is more insane now than he was in the beginning?
Impossible to ascertain as it depends on what area of sanity is being studied. Also we know little
of early man, being billions of years ago.
How many billions?
One question comes to mind though. Was primitive man saner than contemporary man by believing in
evil spirits? Excuses could certainly be made for the former.
But for the latter - ? No way.
Do you have evidence for the non existence of evil spirits?
Yes because I am well aware having seen, heard and read stuff by pathalogically superstitious idiots and
since evil spirits were first imagined by man, that's all the proof any sane person needs.
What [evidence] do you have that 'evil spirits' were first imagined by man?
none required my common sense is good enough
Is that so?
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "enki" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
10 Jan 2005 10:15:10 PM |
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The age old question why bad things happen in a world cready by this
god derrived by philosophy. There is the best of all possible worlds
argument. There is the argument that advirsity and challenge are
benifical to us. You have the argument that they were not christians
and they were punished for their non-belief.
The world is and has certian properties. We do not live on a completly
stable planet, it is the nature of the world we live in. In the early
art of the Bible and many cultures, natural distaster were the work of
angry gods. They were punshment for the sins every culture commits.
There is no relationship between our morlas and sizemic activity. How
the world operaties is a functions of geophysics. There will be more
significant geological events. Today there are more people then ever
before and in past days much of the world was not heavily populated.
Today because of the population of the earth, disasters will affect
more people.
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| User: "Ron" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 03:36:51 AM |
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In article <1105416909.927385.285670@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote:
The age old question why bad things happen in a world cready by this
god derrived by philosophy. There is the best of all possible worlds
argument. There is the argument that advirsity and challenge are
benifical to us. You have the argument that they were not christians
and they were punished for their non-belief.
Good/bad, right/wrong, true/false, etc. are questions of perception.
For example, the loss of human life is considered bad or wrong. That
many people were killed in Eastern Europe and witness by my ancestors is
considered wrong or evil. However, without the death of those people, my
relatives would very likely have never come to this country. My parents
would never have met. My siblings and myself would likely never would
have come to exist. All the good things that have been accomplished by
me and mine would have been lost.
The "good work" that I do in my profession on a daily basis is owed in
part to my actions and the fact that my ancestors watched infants caught
on the tips of bayonettes, men killed and women raped which prompted
them to seek out another nation to live in.
As I stated, these are questions of perceptions.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 11:37:35 PM |
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Ron wrote:
In article <1105416909.927385.285670@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote:
The age old question why bad things happen in a world cready by this
god derrived by philosophy. There is the best of all possible worlds
argument. There is the argument that advirsity and challenge are
benifical to us. You have the argument that they were not christians
and they were punished for their non-belief.
Good/bad, right/wrong, true/false, etc. are questions of perception.
For example, the loss of human life is considered bad or wrong. That
many people were killed in Eastern Europe and witness by my ancestors is
considered wrong or evil. However, without the death of those people, my
relatives would very likely have never come to this country. My parents
would never have met. My siblings and myself would likely never would
have come to exist. All the good things that have been accomplished by
me and mine would have been lost.
The "good work" that I do in my profession on a daily basis is owed in
part to my actions and the fact that my ancestors watched infants caught
on the tips of bayonettes, men killed and women raped which prompted
them to seek out another nation to live in.
As I stated, these are questions of perceptions.
....and not gods - right?
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