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"Smith Computer" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:03:59 AM |
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Questions from Enkidu |
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which are
the earliest indication of his name.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:53:25 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:45 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:23:06 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein"
No, it's Einstein's. Can't you read attributions?
I read fine, however you allowed it to be posted to your reply. Do you
not read and assent to what is posted?
So you're reduced to flaming a sig. Telling.
If you place a sig, then be prepared to defend it, or be quiet.
That's not how usenet works.
Now you will place the blame on usenet?
No, on your lack of knowledge of how usenet works. Flaming a sig is
an admission that you have no argument to offer.
MMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
(gasping for air) You can't buy comedy like smith computer!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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20 Jan 2005 03:27:51 PM |
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"stoney"
No, it's Einstein's. Can't you read attributions?
I read fine, however you allowed it to be posted to your reply.
Do you
not read and assent to what is posted?
So you're reduced to flaming a sig. Telling.
If you place a sig, then be prepared to defend it, or be quiet.
That's not how usenet works.
Now you will place the blame on usenet?
No, on your lack of knowledge of how usenet works. Flaming a sig is
an admission that you have no argument to offer.
MMMMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
(gasping for air) You can't buy comedy like smith computer!
Nor can you find one quite so amusing as stoney, however the placement of a
closing, or "sig" as it is referred to by those in this group, signifies
agreement with the idea that it presents in that it is allowed and included
in the individuals post. In truth, I post my closing and agree with it and
will defend it. However it appears to me, that not everyone has that same
integrity.
Having great love for his creatures, God provides ample opportunity for them
to know him and his purposes.
The Smitty
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 09:18:05 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:44:16 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:45 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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You imagine God whether you try to or not.
A sig flame?
Explain how you avoid imagining God.
Ask Einstein - it was his contention.
I don't believe Einstein ever said he could avoid
imagining God, so answer the question.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:09:12 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:18:05 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:44:16 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:45 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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rukbat at verizon dot net
You imagine God whether you try to or not.
A sig flame?
Explain how you avoid imagining God.
Ask Einstein - it was his contention.
I don't believe Einstein ever said he could avoid
imagining God
He said he doesn't even try to do so.
so answer the question.
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
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"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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12 Jan 2005 10:17:39 PM |
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"Al Klein"
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the
structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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rukbat at verizon dot net
You imagine God whether you try to or not.
A sig flame?
Explain how you avoid imagining God.
Ask Einstein - it was his contention.
I don't believe Einstein ever said he could avoid
imagining God
He said he doesn't even try to do so.
so answer the question.
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all. However Al, you know you represent the
atheists community well.
Also, let the peace of the Christ control in YOUR hearts
The Smitty
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:20:24 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:17:39 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
--
"Does it ever amaze anyone else how little faith some heterosexuals have
in heterosexuality? It's supposed to be this god-given human instinct
that only the warped and perverted ever stray from; but, it seems, if we
once tell our straight children a message even as mild as "some people
are gay, and that's all right," that'll be enough to send lil' Suzy into
the arms of women forever. It's a wonder the race has survived this
long, really..."
- Charles M Seaton (21 Dec 1994)
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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14 Jan 2005 03:18:49 PM |
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"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
....at all.... Can't you understand the concept?
For a God of knowledge Jehovah is,
And by him deeds are rightly estimated.
The Smitty
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 05:48:05 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:18:49 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
...at all.... Can't you understand the concept?
That you don't know how usenet works? Of course I do.
But you're categorically opposed to learning, so you won't change.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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15 Jan 2005 07:20:14 AM |
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"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have
to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
...at all.... Can't you understand the concept?
That you don't know how usenet works? Of course I do.
But you're categorically opposed to learning, so you won't change.
Here we see Al attempting to change the subject, employing "argumentum ad
hominem" fallacy along with continuing assertion without reason. Note also
the question was ignored.
It seems that it is Al, who fails, and of course he will not admit failure
but will assert that it exists in others. Would you buy a used car from
this man?
You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the
demons believe and shudder
The Smitty
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Jan 2005 05:16:30 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:20:14 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have
to
argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
...at all.... Can't you understand the concept?
That you don't know how usenet works? Of course I do.
But you're categorically opposed to learning, so you won't change.
Here we see Al attempting to change the subject
The subject is your admission that you have no argument, so you're
reduced to flaming a sig.
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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16 Jan 2005 09:00:30 PM |
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"Al Klein"
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you
have
to argue against ...
You defend poorly, if at all.
NOT at all. Can't you understand simple words?
...at all.... Can't you understand the concept?
That you don't know how usenet works? Of course I do.
But you're categorically opposed to learning, so you won't change.
Here we see Al attempting to change the subject
The subject is your admission that you have no argument, so you're
reduced to flaming a sig.
Why do you delete text and post such falsehood? Are you actually so base?
By iron, iron itself is sharpened. So one man sharpens the face of another.
The Smitty
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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13 Jan 2005 12:06:28 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:18:05 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:44:16 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:59:45 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
You imagine God whether you try to or not.
A sig flame?
Explain how you avoid imagining God.
Ask Einstein - it was his contention.
I don't believe Einstein ever said he could avoid
imagining God
He said he doesn't even try to do so.
Why would he try not to do something unless
he could not help doing it?
so answer the question.
Sorry, I don't defend random sig lines. But if that's all you have to
argue against ...
Seems all these "random" sig lines have the same theme in
common, a theme you are undeniably in tune with.
Posting them is asserting them which obligates you to
defend them when they are questioned.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 07:03:02 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:13:30 -0500, * US * said in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:50 -0500, "Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
You expect a Christian to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs? (And any answer to your question would be, of course.)
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Jan 2005 03:22:08 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 04:55:31 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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11 Jan 2005 08:02:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:31 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Hint: Find out what atheists REALLY think before you try to tell us
what we think.
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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12 Jan 2005 07:12:45 AM |
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"Al Klein"
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Hint: Find out what atheists REALLY think before you try to tell us
what we think.
We know what atheist do not think, and it is yet to be seen that they think
in a reasoning way at all.
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
The Smitty
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:13:54 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:12:45 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
We know what atheist do not think, and it is yet to be seen that they think
in a reasoning way at all.
Since atheism is defined as lack of a particular belief, "what all
atheists think" is like saying "what size pants all Christians wear".
IOW, the ONLY thing all atheists share is lack of theism. NOTHING
ELSE. Regardless of what *you* think atheism is. Your ideas don't
define atheism.
--
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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11 Jan 2005 09:20:18 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:55:31 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Care to explain where I'm wrong?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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12 Jan 2005 07:15:34 AM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr"
said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Care to explain where I'm wrong?
If you actually get an answer Roy, I will be absolutely impressed if it
follows a path of logic and good sense. Chances are, you will receive some
nonsense fabricated to look as if it had substance.
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
The Smitty
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:11:07 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:20:18 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Care to explain where I'm wrong?
Atheism is lack of theism - nothing more. So a) there's no "creed"
and b) even if there were, none of the above points would be it.
Making you wrong 10 times. Eleven if you count "The atheist creed" as
an error.
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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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13 Jan 2005 12:10:53 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:20:18 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
2. Removal of God from the world.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
4. Worship of self as god.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
So far you're wrong 10 times. Care to waste your time trying again?
Care to explain where I'm wrong?
Atheism is lack of theism - nothing more. So a) there's no "creed"
and b) even if there were, none of the above points would be it.
Making you wrong 10 times. Eleven if you count "The atheist creed" as
an error.
I see, denial is your only explanation.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Question |
12 Jan 2005 03:56:47 AM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
No belief in the existence of a 'God' creature, coupled with a vague
sympathy for the deluded.
2. Removal of God from the world.
As there is no 'God' creature, what is there to remove ?
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
Education, education, education....to quote a certain Tiny Blur...
4. Worship of self as god.
Worship ? Do you get fries with that ?
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
Belief in Science as bringing lots of neat gadgets to play with, and
urm....break.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
Evolution ...yaaa hooo !!
7. Belief that morality is relative.
You saying it isn't ?
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
Well, non-belief, but why be picky ?
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
Ho hum...My Irony meter is overheating again !
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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12 Jan 2005 07:17:03 AM |
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"Jez"
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
No belief in the existence of a 'God' creature, coupled with a vague
sympathy for the deluded.
2. Removal of God from the world.
As there is no 'God' creature, what is there to remove ?
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
Education, education, education....to quote a certain Tiny Blur...
4. Worship of self as god.
Worship ? Do you get fries with that ?
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
Belief in Science as bringing lots of neat gadgets to play with, and
urm....break.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
Evolution ...yaaa hooo !!
7. Belief that morality is relative.
You saying it isn't ?
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
Well, non-belief, but why be picky ?
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
Ho hum...My Irony meter is overheating again !
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
Just as I thought!
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
The Smitty
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| User: "Jez" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:42:04 PM |
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Smith Computer wrote:
"Jez"
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
No belief in the existence of a 'God' creature, coupled with a vague
sympathy for the deluded.
2. Removal of God from the world.
As there is no 'God' creature, what is there to remove ?
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
Education, education, education....to quote a certain Tiny Blur...
4. Worship of self as god.
Worship ? Do you get fries with that ?
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
Belief in Science as bringing lots of neat gadgets to play with, and
urm....break.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
Evolution ...yaaa hooo !!
7. Belief that morality is relative.
You saying it isn't ?
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
Well, non-belief, but why be picky ?
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
Ho hum...My Irony meter is overheating again !
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
Just as I thought!
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
As 'God' doesn't exist, what tradition would that be ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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12 Jan 2005 03:22:42 PM |
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"Jez"
<snipped for brevity>
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
Just as I thought!
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
As 'God' doesn't exist, what tradition would that be ?
Oh, merely the blind eye toward anything that threatens your religion, of
believing there is no God to which you are accountable. There is also the
habit, or tradition I have noticed, that atheists seem to discount or ignore
any evidence presented which might indicate there is a Creator. And of
course there is the denigration of those who might actually wish to share
the good news of the kingdom with those of this group. Many display poor
manners, others make wildly false accusations and still others are so
dishonest as to subjugate thoughts in the original posting by either
interrupting the train of thought and interjection, or by deleting the
original text they do not wish to respond to.
"Traditions" such as those, Jez.
He has described a circle upon the face of the waters,To where light ends in
darkness.
The Smitty
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| User: "Jez" |
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12 Jan 2005 05:24:43 PM |
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Smith Computer wrote:
"Jez"
<snipped for brevity>
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
Just as I thought!
Adroitly YOU set aside the commandment of God in order to retain YOUR
tradition.
As 'God' doesn't exist, what tradition would that be ?
Oh, merely the blind eye toward anything that threatens your religion, of
believing there is no God to which you are accountable.
*Yawn*
There is also the
habit, or tradition I have noticed, that atheists seem to discount or ignore
any evidence presented which might indicate there is a Creator.
Soon as I see some, I'll get back to you.
And of
course there is the denigration of those who might actually wish to share
the good news of the kingdom with those of this group.
Not welcome here...this is alt.atheism. We don't need no stinkeen bible !
Many display poor
manners,
No they fucking don't !
others make wildly false accusations and still others are so
dishonest as to subjugate thoughts in the original posting by either
interrupting the train of thought and interjection, or by deleting the
original text they do not wish to respond to.
"Traditions" such as those, Jez.
Ah so being ignorant on Usenet, and breaking our charter is now a
tradition eh ?
*****, wish someone had told me !
He has described a circle upon the face of the waters,To where light ends in
darkness.
Finger painting in ink, or watercolours ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Question |
13 Jan 2005 12:31:08 AM |
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Jez wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:02 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said in alt.atheism:
You expect an atheist to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs?
Which 'beliefs' would those be?
The atheist creed:
1. Hatred of God and all those who believe in Him.
No belief in the existence of a 'God' creature, coupled with a vague
sympathy for the deluded.
Denial is good.
2. Removal of God from the world.
As there is no 'God' creature, what is there to remove ?
If there was no God you wouldn't be obsessed with
denying His existence.
3. Isolation or removal from the world of those branded
"lesser humans", who oppose atheism.
Education, education, education....to quote a certain Tiny Blur...
You cry education but practice indoctrination.
4. Worship of self as god.
Worship ? Do you get fries with that ?
Resorting to silly usually signifies capitulation.
5. Belief in science as savior of mankind.
Belief in Science as bringing lots of neat gadgets to play with, and
urm....break.
Toys are your salvation.
6. Belief in spontaneous generation of life from
inanimate matter.
Evolution ...yaaa hooo !!
Prayer is good.
7. Belief that morality is relative.
You saying it isn't ?
Its right or wrong... no in-between.
8. Belief that atheism is the only true belief.
Well, non-belief, but why be picky ?
There is no such thing as "non-belief".
9. Belief in the need to proselytize vigorously for atheism.
Ho hum...My Irony meter is overheating again !
Resorting to silly usually signifies capitulation.
10. Belief that as superior beings, atheists alone are suited
to rule the world
You might have something there !
Yes I do.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "* US *" |
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| Title: Re: Question |
10 Jan 2005 08:36:52 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:30:55 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:13:30 -0500, * US * said in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:50 -0500, "Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
You expect a Christian to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs? (And any answer to your question would be, of course.)
You're right, of course. Poor "Smith Computer" is all flummoxed, now.
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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11 Jan 2005 05:57:50 AM |
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<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
You expect a Christian to give an answer that's contrary to his
beliefs? (And any answer to your question would be, of course.)
You're right, of course. Poor "Smith Computer" is all flummoxed, now.
Poor, yes...flummoxed no.
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of
time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading
inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who
speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding
to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken
of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth
The Smitty
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