"Mark K. Bilbo"

As you very well know, atheism is not a religion.

It holds to the belief there is no God. It can not prove that

belief.

It
is a false religion.
.

No.

Wrong again.

You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And
yet the demons believe and shudder

Do you really think that repeatedly lying about what atheists think
actually accomplishes anything?

No matter how many times you say atheism is a religion, I still won't
have a religion. Neither will any other atheist.

You HAVE one whether you wish to call it that or not.

"Mark K. Bilbo"

As you very well know, atheism is not a religion.

No matter how many times you say atheism is a religion, I still won't have
a religion. Neither will any other atheist.

You HAVE one whether you wish to call it that or not.

loves or hates the sinner?

He loves those who repent from sin, and he gave his son,

he loved all those humans who had lived and those who were yet to come

who would be born into sin. In that every person on the planet is a

sinner,

I must answer your question in this manner. He loves all people.

Why did your "god" created us in the first place?

According to the scriptures, it was to subdue the earth. That

means

to turn the entire earth into a pardise.

Darn! Another miscalculation!

Well, do not worry so, you still have time to change your heart

condition.

My heart is OK. I do not need mythology to lead a moral life.

Then you will leave the false religious practice of atheism?

Please describe what is the "false religious practice of atheism",
because I've never heard about that.

Then you might pay attention, however your previous postings indicate
otherwise. The religious practice of those who call themselves

openly, will admit they do not believe there is a Creator, nor do they

believe they are subject to him, however they can not prove it...it is
merely a belief. They seem to adhere to this belief with great
tenacity, to the point of beingfanatics. Anything or anyone who

well being of the atheist's community. Even those religious zealots who
followed Epicurus were more tolerant toward outside influence.

A little snippy today, I see.

Not at all, ....increasingly intolerant toward ignorance, yes

Then you should be ashamed of your religion, which preaches ignorance
above all. See Genesis.

The religious practice of those who call themselves atheists openly,

will admit they do not believe there is a Creator, nor do they believe

are subject to him, however they can not prove it...it is merely a

Are you as thick as I'm afraid you are?

Are you familar with the term "fallacy of presupposition"?

Yes. You presuppose there's a "god" before having any evidence of it.

Please *prove* to me that
the Greek or Roman Gods do
not
exist.
They
were believed to be true well before that "Jesus" guy.
I knew you could
not. Those gods simply fell out of favor, replaced by
other myths.

You will need to prove first, that you are capable of recognizing proof,
which at this point is questionable.

You're intellectual dishonesty is astonishing. Humans invented the very
concept of "god" or "gods", and created thousands of versions of them
since recorded history. Yours is simply one of them.

BTW, you still have to prove to me that the Greek or Roman "gods" do not
exist.

They
seem to adhere to this belief with great tenacity, to the point of

fanatic. Anything or anyone who publishes a point which disagrees with

the

religious beliefs of atheism is denigrated, conspired against, and
antagonized in various contrived ways in order to promote the general

well

being of the atheist' community. Even those religious zealots who

followed

Epicurus were more tolerant toward outside influence.

Most atheists I know are quite tolerant of theists, including me. I just
don't care what you believe, as long as you do not try to proselytize or
lobby to pass laws according to your religious beliefs. It's simply bad
form.

I care about what you believe, and about you.
I just do not care for
ignorance and denigration offered in place of rational converse. and it

truly THAT which is bad form.

You denigrate every
other
faith,
and non-religious people. And if you
believe in the bible, you're not
very rational. This is no an insult,
just a fact.

You just believe in some sort of "god" and in an old book. What does
that tell us about you? "Gullibility" comes to mind...

No. I see evidence of a Creator, and he just happens to be the subject

in

an old book. Gullible?...no....reasonable...yes.

What makes you think there's even a "Creator"? The idea of a "Creator"
raises more questions that it answers. Like "Who created the Creator?",
or "Why?". It just does not work. I suggest you do a little research and
expand your knowledge.

Does the idea of additional questions bother you? Why?

It does not bother
me
at all, but it should

like simple answers to complex questions. "God did it" is sufficient for
you.

Jehovah has revealed himself through his creation.

Non sequitur. You presuppose that the universe has
a
"creator",
as opposed
to : either
it always existed or it was generated by a purely
physical event.

By observing the splendid
things around them, many people have come to appreciate that there must

Creator whose great personality is reflected by his works.

There's also atrocious things around us.

For example, everything dies

eventually. There's also agony, violence, diseases, cataclysms and
disasters.

Not to mention human nature, the greatest destructive force ever.

They reason from
so many evidences that it seems difficult to understand why others do

The Creator is the author of the Bible and he is said to exists through

eternity. His name "Jehovah" calls attention to his purpose toward his
creation. It is his purpose to vindicate that great name by destroying

wicked and rescuing those who love him so they can live on a paradise

Nice story. Vindictive, abhorent, murderous, but nice in some sick way.

However, being the Almighty God, he certainly has the power to do this.

the Creator of all the universe, he is far above ordinary national gods

idols.

According to you, "he" also has the power to make this world a paradise,
right now. "He" just will not do it because "he's" too egocentrical or
egotistical. Face it, your definition of "god" is absurd.

During recent centuries, men of science have given much time to studying

works of creation. What have they concluded? One of the pioneers in the
field of electricity, the well-known British physicist Lord Kelvin,
declared: "I believe the more thoroughly science is studied the further

it take us from anything compared to atheism." The European-born

Albert Einstein, though reputed to be an atheist, confessed: "It is

for me to . . . reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe,

we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an

part of the intelligence manifest in nature." The American scientist and
Nobel prize winner Arthur Holly Compton said: "An orderly unfolding
universe testifies to the truth of the most majestic statement ever

beginning God.'" He was quoting the opening words of the Bible.

A lot of scientists were and are believers. Science and religion are not
mutually exclusive. Fundies only have problems with evolution and
cosmology because they somewhat contradict their myth.

As I said, I don't care what you believe as long as you don't try to ram
it down my throat.

Do you live in a house? Probably you did not build the house yourself,

do you know who did. However, the fact that you do not know the builder
would not prevent you from accepting the truth that some intelligent

built it. To reason that the house built itself would appear very

Of course. But I see construction sites every day, so I know who build
houses.

Since the great universe, and everything in it, required infinitely

intelligence for its construction, is it not reasonable to conclude that
there must be an intelligent Creator? Truly, only the senseless one

say in his heart, "There is no Creator."

There's no evidence of "a creator". You just presuppose there is. You
should read books about modern physics.

The glorious wonders that surround us-the flowers, the birds, the

the marvelous creation called man, the miracles of life and of

all testify to the invisible master intellect that produced them.

How old are you? You seem to see life through rosy-tinted glasses.
Flowers? They die. As are the birds, the animals (hunters and preys
alike). Life is not a "miracle", it's a natural process that evolved
through billions of years. We have evidence for it and it's quite
fascinating. Look into it.

Where
there is intellect, there is mind. Where there is mind, there is a

No evolution theory can explain the reality of things.

It's not its job. You might be interested in philosophy though.

The supreme intellect
is that of the Creator of all things living. The Creator is indeed

your acknowledgement.
Some people may point to the divisions and hypocrisy in the religions of
false religions, which claim to follow the Bible. They also say, 'How

believe the Creator of the Bible, when the nations that have the Bible

among those feverishly stockpiling nuclear weapons? The fact is that,

the Bible remains always true, the nations of the earth have become as

removed from the truth as the north pole is removed from the south pole.
They are hypocritical in professing that they follow the Christ They may
have the Bible, but they certainly do not obey its teachings. The

president who ordered the first atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima once
exclaimed: "Oh, for an Isaiah or a St. Paul!"-to guide men in this world
crisis. Had he agreed with Isaiah of the Bible, he would never have

an atom bomb, for Isaiah advocated 'beating swords into plowshares and
spears into pruning shears.' Moreover, it was Paul of the Bible who
declared: "We do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh.

the wise counsel of the Bible, the nations of the world have become

in a suicidal armaments race. Any claims they make about being true
Christians are false. They must face God's judgment for failing to do

will.

I'm pleased that you did not like the nuclear bombings on Japan. But
we'd still be in the Dark Ages with people like you. The world is
complex. You hold your bible like a pacifier.

BTW, there are older books, and beliefs, than the bible, where "creator
gods" are described. Why chose that book?

There may be, however truth becomes evident to those who seek it.

You seem to seek "the truth" as a way to escape the complexities of the
world. You seem to have embraced biblical simplicity as an answer to our
messiness. But following your philosophy/convictions/beliefs would be
the death of our species.