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Religions > Atheism |
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"Smith Computer" |
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10 Jan 2005 03:03:59 PM |
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Questions from Enkidu |
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which are
the earliest indication of his name.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
10 Jan 2005 03:17:40 PM |
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"Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote in
news:GPwEd.5540$br2.1657@fe04.lga:
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The
Creator is willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth
to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan,
lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good from
mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance is short lived however, when you consider that in a very
short while, the entire universe will recognize that truth and evil
will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a
cleansed earth forever.
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being, and
lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have *not*
created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the evil, the
suffering, and the eternal torment?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss
the mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and
allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that
"the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator
of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge
of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when you
consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will
recognize that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean
populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
So why can't he say "That's alright kids, I understand your human
weaknesses, after all, I created them." No, he says he will torment us
eternally.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him
God , for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use
the name Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters
YHWH, which are the earliest indication of his name.
"We call him the Creator for he created all good things." What about the
disease, natural disasters like flood, famine, earthquake? Didn't he
create those as well? Why?
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by
Christians in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad
associations spoil useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a
righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are without knowledge
of God. I am speaking to move YOU to shame."
It doesn't address his question concerning the existance of evil. That's
the point here.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
10 Jan 2005 09:29:06 PM |
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"Enkidu"
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The
Creator is willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth
to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan,
lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good from
mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance is short lived however, when you consider that in a very
short while, the entire universe will recognize that truth and evil
will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a
cleansed earth forever.
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being, and
lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have *not*
created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the evil, the
suffering, and the eternal torment?
No, satan was not always known by that name. He was a powerful spirit
creature who was created perfect but who also had the gift of free will. He
chose a path which desired the worship which was due only to the Creator,
and thus he lied and tempted the first human female in an effort to destroy
the Creator's plans for humans and the earth. Thus far, he has been
allowed, but soon, this will change.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss
the mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and
allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that
"the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator
of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge
of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when you
consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will
recognize that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean
populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
So why can't he say "That's alright kids, I understand your human
weaknesses, after all, I created them." No, he says he will torment us
eternally.
No, he does not say that. How could he, when even imperfect humans have
more love for their children than that! He says, that all who repent of
their badness, and try to do good, will be ressurected, or will never die at
all into a paradise earth. There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings
and priest in heaven.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him
God , for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use
the name Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters
YHWH, which are the earliest indication of his name.
"We call him the Creator for he created all good things." What about the
disease, natural disasters like flood, famine, earthquake? Didn't he
create those as well? Why?
Those were not created by him but are a result of sin entering this world
way back when satan introduced the lie that the Creator was holding
something good, back from mankind and the original pair fell into the snare.
Eve was misled, yet Adam made an informed decision.
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by
Christians in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad
associations spoil useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a
righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are without knowledge
of God. I am speaking to move YOU to shame."
It doesn't address his question concerning the existance of evil. That's
the point here.
I suspect the point has now been addressed adequately. If not, I shall cut
and paste the portions that appear above which address your question.
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 05:04:21 AM |
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"Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote in
news:JsCEd.5612$ut6.3953@fe04.lga:
"Enkidu"
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The
Creator is willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the
earth to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose name is
satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance is short lived however, when you consider that in a very
short while, the entire universe will recognize that truth and evil
will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a
cleansed earth forever.
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being,
and lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have
*not* created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean
populous to reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the
evil, the suffering, and the eternal torment?
No, satan was not always known by that name. He was a powerful spirit
creature who was created perfect but who also had the gift of free
will. He chose a path which desired the worship which was due only to
the Creator, and thus he lied and tempted the first human female in an
effort to destroy the Creator's plans for humans and the earth. Thus
far, he has been allowed, but soon, this will change.
He was created perfect, but he turned out evil? How'd that work? He was
perfent, then he broke? In or out of warranty?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to
miss the mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair
and allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the entire
universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely
the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short
lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done
away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth
forever.
So why can't he say "That's alright kids, I understand your human
weaknesses, after all, I created them." No, he says he will torment
us eternally.
No, he does not say that. How could he, when even imperfect humans
have more love for their children than that! He says, that all who
repent of their badness, and try to do good, will be ressurected, or
will never die at all into a paradise earth. There are only 144, 000
who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
Ah, so you're a Jehova's Witless. Well, if I'd have to be like you to
enter heaven, I'd rather not. Now, humans have more love for their
children than you God has for us? That's what you said? Based on my
observations, you'd be correct, if only he existed.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call
him God , for that is a title which describes him. We, in English,
use the name Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the
letters YHWH, which are the earliest indication of his name.
"We call him the Creator for he created all good things." What about
the disease, natural disasters like flood, famine, earthquake?
Didn't he create those as well? Why?
Those were not created by him but are a result of sin entering this
world way back when satan introduced the lie that the Creator was
holding something good, back from mankind and the original pair fell
into the snare. Eve was misled, yet Adam made an informed decision.
Whay? God created everything, but he did not create some things? Just
say "no", dude!
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and
drink, for tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope
taught by Christians in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be
misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. 34 Wake up to
soberness in a righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are
without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move YOU to shame."
It doesn't address his question concerning the existance of evil.
That's the point here.
I suspect the point has now been addressed adequately. If not, I
shall cut and paste the portions that appear above which address your
question.
Not by a long shot. What has become clear is that you don't understand
the question.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 02:29:59 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:29:06 -0500, "Smith Computer"
<smithcomputer@charter.com> said in alt.atheism:
No, satan was not always known by that name. He was a powerful spirit
creature who was created perfect but who also had the gift of free will.
How stupid does a god have to be to include desire to do evil in "free
will"?
He chose a path which desired the worship which was due only to the Creator,
and thus he lied and tempted the first human female in an effort to destroy
the Creator's plans for humans and the earth.
But since, according to the word of your god, all things are his will,
this, too, was his will. Or he lied.
No, he does not say that. How could he, when even imperfect humans have
more love for their children than that! He says, that all who repent of
their badness, and try to do good, will be ressurected, or will never die at
all into a paradise earth.
No he doesn't. He says that the ONLY way to heaven is to accept Jesus
as your savior - nothing to do with being good.
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings
and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
Every time you get to a passage you don't like, you Christians
reinterpret it.
"We call him the Creator for he created all good things." What about the
disease, natural disasters like flood, famine, earthquake? Didn't he
create those as well? Why?
Those were not created by him
Your bible - his word according to you - says they were.
It doesn't address his question concerning the existance of evil. That's
the point here.
I suspect the point has now been addressed adequately.
Nope. If he were omnipotent he could come up with some way around all
your objections. If he were omni-good, he would want to. Since he
doesn't, he either can't or won't.
If not, I shall cut
and paste the portions that appear above which address your question.
The "portions above" are merely apologism. Try some real answers.
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
11 Jan 2005 12:41:58 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings
and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³4 out of 5 dentists recommend the Theory of Evolution.³-John S. Wilkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
12 Jan 2005 04:25:12 AM |
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In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
12 Jan 2005 12:52:27 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
12 Jan 2005 01:39:40 PM |
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In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
12 Jan 2005 10:30:21 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Always a good idea with Robin's posts!
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 12:19:18 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95DC93945FAFA255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Always a good idea with Robin's posts!
Safety first!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 12:20:24 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:irGdnRbXIeD6IHjcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <Xns95DC93945FAFA255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Always a good idea with Robin's posts!
Safety first!
Woohoo! I'm flattered that I have such an ability :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Questions from Enkidu |
13 Jan 2005 01:47:20 AM |
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In our last episode <34lt69F4cnicoU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:irGdnRbXIeD6IHjcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <Xns95DC93945FAFA255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Always a good idea with Robin's posts!
Safety first!
Woohoo! I'm flattered that I have such an ability :)
Chaos is her middle name...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34lt69F4cnicoU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:irGdnRbXIeD6IHjcRVn-3g@megapath.net...
In our last episode <Xns95DC93945FAFA255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Always a good idea with Robin's posts!
Safety first!
Woohoo! I'm flattered that I have such an ability :)
Chaos is her middle name...
LOL, I wish! :)
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Resident Witchypoo
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12 Jan 2005 01:38:18 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Curses! Foiled again! :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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12 Jan 2005 09:58:49 PM |
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In our last episode <34kni5F4b9f6aU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:mICdncsHuIviunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F.
Leopold lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in
heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
Curses! Foiled again! :)
I practice Safe Usenetting...
(I learned the hard way)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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12 Jan 2005 01:35:40 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:39:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34kks5F4dbv8tU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net...
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
Is god Michael Jackson?
Ha! I put my coffee down *before I read your post!
No. He's Ray Charles.
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12 Jan 2005 05:03:38 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Harry F. Leopold wrote:
(snip)
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
There is no accounting for or blaming such preferences.
It couldn't just be a lifestyle choice, could it?
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John Popelish
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12 Jan 2005 05:46:25 AM |
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In our last episode <41E4AFAA.4A9E9B87@rica.net>, John Popelish lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
Harry F. Leopold wrote:
(snip)
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
There is no accounting for or blaming such preferences. It couldn't just
be a lifestyle choice, could it?
So... this god's anti-gay because he wants 'em all for himself?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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12 Jan 2005 01:11:15 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:25:12 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net>):
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
I could attempt to tell you, but then I would have to go and have my brain
washed. (Dry clean, no starch.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Damn! I never expected to see this place be armpit-deep in wombats. Kinda
cute as long as you don't move or breath. ;-)³
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12 Jan 2005 01:39:08 PM |
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In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0A7E130023CCB2F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:25:12 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote (in article
<z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net>):
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
I could attempt to tell you, but then I would have to go and have my brain
washed. (Dry clean, no starch.)
144,000 male virgins..............
I'm sorry, did you say something?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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12 Jan 2005 03:55:49 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:39:08 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <mICdncgHuIvDunjcRVn-ug@megapath.net>):
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0A7E130023CCB2F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:25:12 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote (in article
<z8OdnZMSmt8WOHncRVn-ug@megapath.net>):
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE0925B600CABF80F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:29:59 -0600, Al Klein wrote (in article
<d7e6u05k5ru9ql0ie9m9t52e1svplbv0oj@4ax.com>):
snip
There are only 144, 000 who will reign as kings and priest in heaven.
According to your bible, only 144,000 will get there at all.
snip
And those 144,000 are male virgins.
Why does god want so many male virgins?
I could attempt to tell you, but then I would have to go and have my brain
washed. (Dry clean, no starch.)
144,000 male virgins..............
I'm sorry, did you say something?
No, I didn't say a thing. Personally I would not have a use for 144,000
males, nor 144,000 virgins.
Now one experienced female...
Oh, right, I have that person already.
Nevermind.
;-)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"The line separating painfully bad analogies from weirdly good ones is as
thin as a soup made from the shadow of a chicken that was starved to death."
- Alydar2
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11 Jan 2005 01:44:40 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote in
news:GPwEd.5540$br2.1657@fe04.lga:
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The
Creator is willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth
to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan,
lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good from
mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance is short lived however, when you consider that in a very
short while, the entire universe will recognize that truth and evil
will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a
cleansed earth forever.
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being, and
lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have *not*
created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the evil, the
suffering, and the eternal torment?
If that happened they would have no way of scaring people into following
their myth
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss
the mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and
allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that
"the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator
of holding something good from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge
of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however, when you
consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will
recognize that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean
populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
So why can't he say "That's alright kids, I understand your human
weaknesses, after all, I created them." No, he says he will torment us
eternally.
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him
God , for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use
the name Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters
YHWH, which are the earliest indication of his name.
"We call him the Creator for he created all good things." What about the
disease, natural disasters like flood, famine, earthquake? Didn't he
create those as well? Why?
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by
Christians in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad
associations spoil useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a
righteous way and do not practice sin, for some are without knowledge
of God. I am speaking to move YOU to shame."
It doesn't address his question concerning the existance of evil. That's
the point here.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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10 Jan 2005 04:19:43 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote in
news:GPwEd.5540$br2.1657@fe04.lga:
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The
Creator is willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth
to show the entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan,
lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good from
mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance is short lived however, when you consider that in a very
short while, the entire universe will recognize that truth and evil
will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to reside on a
cleansed earth forever.
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being, and
lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have *not*
created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the evil, the
suffering, and the eternal torment?
you don't seem to understand the first thing about sadism.....which
seems like it would be god's fetish if there were such a thing as god
outside of human imagination.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.selectric.org
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10 Jan 2005 10:21:16 PM |
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On 10 Jan 2005 15:17:40 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
So the all powerful, all benevolent creator created this evil being, and
lets him hold us in his grip. By his own choice. He could have *not*
created evil, but he did. Gotcha. Why not create a "clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth" from the start, and skip the evil, the
suffering, and the eternal torment?
We might even ask, "Why create us at all, if not as a salve for it's own vanity,
and a Popping Jay, for its own pointlessness"?
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11 Jan 2005 02:48:41 AM |
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"Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote in message
news:GPwEd.5540$br2.1657@fe04.lga...
Enkidu asks that I:
Answer the question posed below, if you have any "wisdom" to offer.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
You have attempted an answer to your question but in error. The Creator
is
willing and able, yet allows evil to preside upon the earth to show the
entire universe that "the resister" whose name is satan, lied when he
accused the Creator of holding something good from mankind, namely the
tree
of knowledge of good and evil. This allowance is short lived however,
when
you consider that in a very short while, the entire universe will
recognize
that truth and evil will be done away with, leaving a clean populous to
reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Sounds like a plot for the Thursday Night Wrestling show.
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Evil came into the world by the committing of sin, which means to miss the
mark. The first sin, was committed by the original pair and allows evil
to
preside upon the earth to show the entire universe that "the resister"
whose
name is satan, lied when he accused the Creator of holding something good
from mankind, namely the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This
allowance
is short lived however, when you consider that in a very short while, the
entire universe will recognize that truth and evil will be done away with,
leaving a clean populous to reside on a cleansed earth forever.
Do you choreoraph the Pro Wrestling matches on the side? What's your day
job?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
We call him the Creator for he created all good things. We call him God ,
for that is a title which describes him. We, in English, use the name
Jehovah, for that is the accepted translation of the letters YHWH, which
are
the earliest indication of his name.
Boy I can't wait for Thurday night. Usually only the kid watches.>
The Bible speaks of Epicurus with his idea of "let us eat and drink, for
tomorrow we are to die," denied the resurrection hope taught by Christians
in their ministry.-1Co 15:32. "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil
useful habits. 34 Wake up to soberness in a righteous way and do not
practice sin, for some are without knowledge of God. I am speaking to move
YOU to shame."
You're giving away the ending.
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
--
The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an afleaist.
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10 Jan 2005 03:17:49 PM |
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"Smith Computer" do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
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10 Jan 2005 09:31:50 PM |
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<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin, and he gave his son, because he loved
all those humans who had lived and those who were yet to come who would be
born into sin. In that every person on the planet is a sinner, I must
answer your question in this manner. He loves all people.
For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what
appears to the eyes
The Smitty
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10 Jan 2005 11:13:30 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:50 -0500, "Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
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| User: "Smith Computer" |
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11 Jan 2005 11:53:46 AM |
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<* US *>
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
Your question was answered. He loves all people.
However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of
time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading
inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who
speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding
to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken
of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth
The Smitty
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11 Jan 2005 03:50:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:53:46 -0500, "Smith Computer" <smithcomputer@charter.com> wrote:
<* US *>
"Smith Computer"
* US *
do you claim that your God
loves or hates the sinner?
He loves those who repent from sin...
That's not what I asked.
I asked about the sinner.
Your question was answered. He loves all people.
Wrong answer.
Haven't you ever read the Bible?
Or are you merely lying?
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