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"Fred Stone" |
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12 Apr 2007 09:31:33 PM |
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Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
CAIR SEEKS FBI PROBE OF ‘HATE CRIME’ AT TN MOSQUE
Political, religious leaders asked to repudiate growing Islamophobia
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 4/10/07) — A prominent national Islamic civil
rights and advocacy group today called on the FBI to investigated what
Tennessee law enforcement authorities are calling a “hate crime”
targeting a mosque in that state.
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
SEE: Muslims on Alert After Hate Crime (Leaf-Chronicle)
“We once again urge local, state and national political and
religious leaders to repudiate the growing level of anti-Muslim rhetoric
in our society that can lead to such troubling incidents,” said CAIR
Executive Director Nihad Awad.
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
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13 Apr 2007 01:04:06 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9910EE8FCF196freddybear@66.150.105.47...
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
Hate crime laws should have never been created.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
13 Apr 2007 09:58:08 PM |
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I fully agree with your Fred.
But to ponder about the legalities:
Suppose I live opposite a mosque. Now I start burning a cross in my
garden, say five minutes before they start showing their asses to
allah. Would that be legal in the US?
In Holland this would be a hate crime for sure.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
14 Apr 2007 07:34:38 AM |
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Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com> wrote in
news:9lg0231uhbl8sohsultn5uglhqt4l2ubek@4ax.com:
I fully agree with your Fred.
But to ponder about the legalities:
Suppose I live opposite a mosque. Now I start burning a cross in my
garden, say five minutes before they start showing their asses to
allah. Would that be legal in the US?
In Holland this would be a hate crime for sure.
In Holland or anywhere else in Eurabia the radical Imams would send
bullyboys to your house to threaten you for much less than burning a
cross in your garden. They would charge you with a "hate crime" for
eating a bacon sandwich in your garden.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
14 Apr 2007 10:45:17 AM |
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On Apr 14, 8:34 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Jos Flachs <xwcru...@ksc15.th.com> wrote innews:9lg0231uhbl8sohsultn5uglhqt4l2ubek@4ax.com:
I fully agree with your Fred.
But to ponder about the legalities:
Suppose I live opposite a mosque. Now I start burning a cross in my
garden, say five minutes before they start showing their asses to
allah. Would that be legal in the US?
In Holland this would be a hate crime for sure.
In Holland or anywhere else in Eurabia the radical Imams would send
bullyboys to your house to threaten you for much less than burning a
cross in your garden. They would charge you with a "hate crime" for
eating a bacon sandwich in your garden.
How about putting bacon bits on your salad? It's kosher, soy protein
mainly, so it should be halal. You'd be surprised how many jewish
families keep a jar in the pantry. A form of intent, I would guess.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
13 Apr 2007 10:38:32 PM |
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On Apr 13, 10:58 pm, Jos Flachs <xwcru...@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
I fully agree with your Fred.
But to ponder about the legalities:
Suppose I live opposite a mosque. Now I start burning a cross in my
garden, say five minutes before they start showing their asses to
allah. Would that be legal in the US?
In Holland this would be a hate crime for sure.
In that particular context, no. If you were barbecuing
porkchops, maybe. Depends which way the wind is
blowing for it to be blasphemy.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: For NeoCon Fred, Burning Crosses is Perfectly Okay As Well. |
13 Apr 2007 12:53:13 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
....
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3293 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: For NeoCon Fred, Burning Crosses is Perfectly Okay As Well. |
13 Apr 2007 01:28:09 AM |
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On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: For NeoCon Fred, Burning Crosses is Perfectly Okay As Well. |
13 Apr 2007 07:27:43 AM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1176445689.515219.259390@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy
of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the
mosque just before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips
of bacon, which is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in
the Quran. Local police are investigating the incident as a hate
crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
If you burn a cross on your own lawn, it's not a crime.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
--
Fred Stone
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The lame troll hits! The lame troll hits!
You are mildly annoyed.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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13 Apr 2007 09:44:56 AM |
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On 13 Apr 2007 12:27:43 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1176445689.515219.259390@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy
of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the
mosque just before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips
of bacon, which is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in
the Quran. Local police are investigating the incident as a hate
crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
If you burn a cross on your own lawn, it's not a crime.
Just like if you deface your own quaran in your own home, it's not a
crime. But that's not what has happened in either case.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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The lame troll hits! The lame troll hits!
You are mildly annoyed.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3293 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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13 Apr 2007 09:43:59 AM |
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On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3293 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: For NeoCon Fred, Burning Crosses is Perfectly Okay As Well. |
13 Apr 2007 07:10:16 PM |
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On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
It depends on whether the steps of the mosque are onto the street or
set back from it, I guess.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Fester" |
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14 Apr 2007 07:26:37 AM |
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"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176509416.215332.200340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy
of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque
just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon,
which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
It depends on whether the steps of the mosque are onto the street or
set back from it, I guess.
Burning a cross is no crime, unless one burns it in front of someone's house
or otherwise makes it plain that a particular person or specific group is
being threatened. Foe example, one may burn a cross on one's own lawn. But
to place it front of someone (presumably a black person in this case) is a
form of threat an may be prosecuted. I suppose the person who left the
Koran there could be charged with littering, but that's about it, unless an
intent to threaten the mosque or congregation can be shown.
BTW, does anyone else consider this "news" reporting when phrases like,
"Islam's revealed text" are included? Does the author have evidence that
the text is "revealed?" Of course not! Sounds a lot more like religious
cheerleading and editorializing to me.
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14 Apr 2007 07:40:15 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4620c881$0$18839$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176509416.215332.200340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-
crime.ht
ml
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations
CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced
copy of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the
mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon,
which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran.
Local police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is
the "crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off
CAIR? Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is
not a hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed
it there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
It depends on whether the steps of the mosque are onto the street or
set back from it, I guess.
Burning a cross is no crime, unless one burns it in front of someone's
house or otherwise makes it plain that a particular person or specific
group is being threatened. Foe example, one may burn a cross on one's
own lawn. But to place it front of someone (presumably a black person
in this case) is a form of threat an may be prosecuted. I suppose
the person who left the Koran there could be charged with littering,
but that's about it, unless an intent to threaten the mosque or
congregation can be shown.
BTW, does anyone else consider this "news" reporting when phrases
like, "Islam's revealed text" are included? Does the author have
evidence that the text is "revealed?" Of course not! Sounds a lot
more like religious cheerleading and editorializing to me.
That's our unbiased media at work!
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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14 Apr 2007 10:39:53 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:26:37 -0400, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176509416.215332.200340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy
of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque
just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon,
which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
It depends on whether the steps of the mosque are onto the street or
set back from it, I guess.
Burning a cross is no crime, unless one burns it in front of someone's house
or otherwise makes it plain that a particular person or specific group is
being threatened. Foe example, one may burn a cross on one's own lawn. But
to place it front of someone (presumably a black person in this case) is a
form of threat an may be prosecuted. I suppose the person who left the
Koran there could be charged with littering, but that's about it, unless an
intent to threaten the mosque or congregation can be shown.
So it's okay if someone leaves a copy of "Mein Kampf", "Protocal of
Elder of Zion", and a plate ful of lobsters, bacon and eel in font of
a synogouge right?
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3296 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: For NeoCon Fred, Burning Crosses is Perfectly Okay As Well. |
15 Apr 2007 04:00:02 AM |
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On Apr 15, 1:39 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:26:37 -0400, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
"Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176509416.215332.200340@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 13, 3:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 12 Apr 2007 23:28:09 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:53 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 02:31:33 GMT, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com>
wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR
said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy
of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque
just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon,
which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
...
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
In the same vein, erecting a bruning cross on someone's lawn is not a
hate crime for Fred because technically no one got hurt.
Actually, for once he has a point. It can't be a hate crime if no
crime was committed. If the Quran was owned by he people who placed it
there, and they placed it on the front steps, no crime has been
committed. A burning cross at least amounts to trespass. Both acts,
however, are deeply unpleasant.
Aren't the guys tresspassing by going right up to the mosque?
It depends on whether the steps of the mosque are onto the street or
set back from it, I guess.
Burning a cross is no crime, unless one burns it in front of someone's house
or otherwise makes it plain that a particular person or specific group is
being threatened. Foe example, one may burn a cross on one's own lawn. But
to place it front of someone (presumably a black person in this case) is a
form of threat an may be prosecuted. I suppose the person who left the
Koran there could be charged with littering, but that's about it, unless an
intent to threaten the mosque or congregation can be shown.
So it's okay if someone leaves a copy of "Mein Kampf", "Protocal of
Elder of Zion", and a plate ful of lobsters, bacon and eel in font of
a synogouge right?
I would say "uncool" but legal.
Fred is correct on this one as far as I can see.
Let him have a win once in a while!
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
12 Apr 2007 10:42:18 PM |
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On Apr 13, 12:31 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
CAIR SEEKS FBI PROBE OF 'HATE CRIME' AT TN MOSQUE
Political, religious leaders asked to repudiate growing Islamophobia
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 4/10/07) - A prominent national Islamic civil
rights and advocacy group today called on the FBI to investigated what
Tennessee law enforcement authorities are calling a "hate crime"
targeting a mosque in that state.
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR said
worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of
the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just
before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday. Two strips of bacon, which
is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local
police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
SEE: Muslims on Alert After Hate Crime (Leaf-Chronicle)
"We once again urge local, state and national political and
religious leaders to repudiate the growing level of anti-Muslim rhetoric
in our society that can lead to such troubling incidents," said CAIR
Executive Director Nihad Awad.
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
Well said Fred.
No crime -> no hate crime.
Blaspheme is not a crime in the USA and should never be.
Mark.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
12 Apr 2007 10:51:26 PM |
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On Apr 13, 12:31 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
CAIR SEEKS FBI PROBE OF 'HATE CRIME' AT TN MOSQUE
Political, religious leaders asked to repudiate growing Islamophobia
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 4/10/07) - A prominent national Islamic civil
rights and advocacy group today called on the FBI to investigated what
Tennessee law enforcement authorities are calling a "hate crime"
targeting a mosque in that state.
<snip>
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
I just had a thought (yeah yeah insert witty rejoiner here "miracles
do happen" etc) - they could probably be done for littering. and
possibly trespass - if the Mosque is regarded as private property.
Although I suspect littering is a misdemeanor rather than a crime
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Quran + Bacon = Hate Crime |
13 Apr 2007 07:23:08 AM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in
news:1176436286.449888.251800@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
On Apr 13, 12:31 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
CAIR SEEKS FBI PROBE OF 'HATE CRIME' AT TN MOSQUE
Political, religious leaders asked to repudiate growing Islamophobia
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 4/10/07) - A prominent national Islamic civil
rights and advocacy group today called on the FBI to investigated
what
Tennessee law enforcement authorities are calling a "hate crime"
targeting a mosque in that state.
<snip>
[question: To be a "hate crime" there must be a "crime". What is the
"crime" here? Defacing a quran? Wasting food? Pissing off CAIR?
Violating dhimmi status in Tennessee?]
I just had a thought (yeah yeah insert witty rejoiner here "miracles
do happen" etc) - they could probably be done for littering. and
possibly trespass - if the Mosque is regarded as private property.
Although I suspect littering is a misdemeanor rather than a crime
8-)
I believe that they can't charge somone with trespass on the front steps
of a building unless there is a locked gate. IANAL.
And I'm suspicious, too, of anything involving CAIR's victimology. I
wouldn't put it past them to have put the baconized quran there
themselves.
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