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"J Young" |
| Date: |
19 Nov 2005 04:40:30 AM |
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Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
Rev. Robertson an apology.
http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's Dover
area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
evolution.
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| User: "*Peace of Christ*" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
19 Nov 2005 04:53:35 PM |
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In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director, taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times, June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
-
-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
-
-
-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
-
-
-
-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
--
*Peace of Christ*
http://grace.break.at
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| User: "Heide Allen" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
29 Nov 2005 04:29:28 PM |
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If the Rabbi put Robertson in place for his statement it was about Time. I
get so tired of hearing that replacement theology. Rabbi's around here
always been looked down at and it is nhigh time to stand up who ever it is.
I truly look forward when Moschiach going tio to come. So we all know who
is who and we all will worship our Creator and not his creation.
Heide
"*Peace of Christ*" <His_child2005yourhat@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:His_child2005yourhat-1911051118350001@h-69-3-16-86.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director, taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times, June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
-
-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
-
-
-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
-
-
-
-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's
Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
--
*Peace of Christ*
http://grace.break.at
To send e-mail, remove "youhat" from address
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| User: "Mark Donovan" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
29 Nov 2005 04:50:54 PM |
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"Heide Allen" <esterstar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Il%if.105163$qk4.16017@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
If the Rabbi put Robertson in place for his statement it was about Time.
I get so tired of hearing that replacement theology. Rabbi's around here
always been looked down at and it is nhigh time to stand up who ever it
is.
I truly look forward when Moschiach going tio to come. So we all know who
is who and we all will worship our Creator and not his creation.
Heide
Why would anyone need to worship such a lousy creator, who created such
violent, stupid, weak, physically and mentally inept species? And why the
creator is suffering from such a low self-esteem, which needs to constantly
be elevated by praising and worshipping him?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design eyes that work, so that half the
people on the planet don't need eyeglasses?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a sense of hunger that works, so
that people are not threatened by obesity?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a heart that works, so that heart
disease is not the number one killer in the United States?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a digestive system that works, so
that people are not constantly bothered by diarrhea and constipation?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a brain that works, so that it
does not suffer from addictions to alcohol, nicotine, heroine, cocaine,
gambling, etc.?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design an immune system that works, so
that there is no such thing as the common cold (and all of the thousands of
other diseases)?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design hair that works, so there is no
such thing as male pattern baldness?
Much more at:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/articles/braindesign/
Mark
"*Peace of Christ*" <His_child2005yourhat@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:His_child2005yourhat-1911051118350001@h-69-3-16-86.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do
something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director,
taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times,
June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they
lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
-
-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
-
-
-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
-
-
-
-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's
Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
--
*Peace of Christ*
http://grace.break.at
To send e-mail, remove "youhat" from address
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| User: "Heide Allen" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
29 Nov 2005 08:27:25 PM |
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If you talk about violance just look at the people who are here, they making
there hateful remarks, so why do you want to blame the creator for it. I
think it is high time for all of us to look at our own selfs . G-d did not
made this world full of hate, people did. He allowed us to make choices and
it is up to us, to make it a better world again.
Heide
"Mark Donovan" <markd@dmark.org> wrote in message
news:OF%if.6079$AB2.1751@trnddc08...
"Heide Allen" <esterstar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Il%if.105163$qk4.16017@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
If the Rabbi put Robertson in place for his statement it was about Time.
I get so tired of hearing that replacement theology. Rabbi's around here
always been looked down at and it is nhigh time to stand up who ever it
is.
I truly look forward when Moschiach going tio to come. So we all know
who is who and we all will worship our Creator and not his creation.
Heide
Why would anyone need to worship such a lousy creator, who created such
violent, stupid, weak, physically and mentally inept species? And why the
creator is suffering from such a low self-esteem, which needs to
constantly be elevated by praising and worshipping him?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design eyes that work, so that half
the people on the planet don't need eyeglasses?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a sense of hunger that works,
so that people are not threatened by obesity?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a heart that works, so that
heart disease is not the number one killer in the United States?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a digestive system that works,
so that people are not constantly bothered by diarrhea and constipation?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design a brain that works, so that it
does not suffer from addictions to alcohol, nicotine, heroine, cocaine,
gambling, etc.?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design an immune system that works, so
that there is no such thing as the common cold (and all of the thousands
of other diseases)?
Why didn't the Intelligent Designer design hair that works, so there is no
such thing as male pattern baldness?
Much more at:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/articles/braindesign/
Mark
"*Peace of Christ*" <His_child2005yourhat@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:His_child2005yourhat-1911051118350001@h-69-3-16-86.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis
owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it
and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do
something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director,
taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times,
June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and
blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they
lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN
SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
-
-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
-
-
-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
-
-
-
-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's
Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
--
*Peace of Christ*
http://grace.break.at
To send e-mail, remove "youhat" from address
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
29 Nov 2005 09:35:01 PM |
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"Heide Allen" <esterstar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:NQ2jf.192868$zb5.120046@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
If you talk about violance just look at the people who are here, they
making there hateful remarks, so why do you want to blame the creator for
it. I think it is high time for all of us to look at our own selfs . G-d
did not made this world full of hate, people did. He allowed us to make
choices and it is up to us, to make it a better world again.
English not your first language, hon?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Heide Allen" |
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30 Nov 2005 03:09:49 AM |
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you are right it is my 3rd, not bad hu
Heide
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Heide Allen" <esterstar@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:NQ2jf.192868$zb5.120046@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
If you talk about violance just look at the people who are here, they
making there hateful remarks, so why do you want to blame the creator for
it. I think it is high time for all of us to look at our own selfs . G-d
did not made this world full of hate, people did. He allowed us to make
choices and it is up to us, to make it a better world again.
English not your first language, hon?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
20 Nov 2005 08:03:41 AM |
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On 19-Nov-2005, (*Peace of Christ*) wrote:
In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
True.
It was either Robertson or Falwell who blatantly said that Judaism was the
work of the Devil - his TV show had a Jewish Star & "666" superimposed
on the backdrop for the day.
Susan
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director, taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times, June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
-
-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
-
-
-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
-
-
-
-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's
Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
--
*Peace of Christ*
http://grace.break.at
To send e-mail, remove "youhat" from address
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
24 Nov 2005 05:16:25 AM |
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in article
His_child2005yourhat-1911051118350001@h-69-3-16-86.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.ne
t, *Peace of Christ* at wrote on 11/19/05
11:53 AM:
In article <sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
-If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
-"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
-Rev. Robertson an apology.
Liar.
Vlerfy have akways felt free/been free to maje horrific anti-semtic
remarks, such as:
"I'd like for you to take but your paper might not allow you to do it and
that is to take the Jewish element in the ACLU which is trying to drive
Christianity out of the public place, and I'd like to see you do something
objective there. Because the ACLU is made up of a tremendous amount of
Jewish attorneys." --Billy MacCormack, Christian Coalition director, taped
interview with the Los Angeles Times, 11/14/90
"Communism was the brain-child of German-Jewish intellectuals."( Pat
Robertson, in The New World Order, (1991), p.17)
Bailey Smith, a founding father of the movement, once told 15,000 people
at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to
those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a
Jew." Baily Smith Christian Coalition founder. (St. Petersburg Times, June
26, 1994)
-And letr us not forget wgar rge "Father" of Protestanism had to say:
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the
Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now
that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do,
we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot
extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets
speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we
must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few
from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a
thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the
throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover
with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a
stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of
Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not
condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming
of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past
unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God.
But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a
house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie
about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard
above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse
ourselves, as we very well know."
- Marin Luther Luther's Works, Volume 47, "The CHRISTIAN IN SOCIETY
IV". (Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1971. pp 268-293).
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-http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
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-Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
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-The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
-denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's Dover
-area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics of
-evolution.
You let Christ ask an awful lot of you...considering how little you
get in return.
Paul
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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19 Nov 2005 06:52:51 AM |
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J Young wrote:
If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet.
Ever heard the term "justice of the victors"? Before WW2 it was the default
setting to be intolerant of jews. After WW2 the world has fallen into the
opposite extreme - thou shalt not say anything against jews, no matter
what.
Yup, life's a *****. Live with it.
These rabbis owe
Rev. Robertson an apology.
No. The world owes them a medal or thirty. If you listen to pattie for fire
minutes you will show your true colors - either you hate him, or you are
effectively braindead.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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20 Nov 2005 08:02:22 AM |
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On 19-Nov-2005, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de>
wrote:
J Young wrote:
If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet.
Ever heard the term "justice of the victors"? Before WW2 it was the
default
setting to be intolerant of jews. After WW2 the world has fallen into the
opposite extreme - thou shalt not say anything against jews, no matter
what.
Which part of the world is *this*?
The only difference between pre & posat WWII is that w know
that we can't let people get away with saying unfair or untrue
things about us, because now we know where it leads when
we are silent. So now we speak up in response.
Susan
Yup, life's a *****. Live with it.
These rabbis owe
Rev. Robertson an apology.
No. The world owes them a medal or thirty. If you listen to pattie for
fire
minutes you will show your true colors - either you hate him, or you are
effectively braindead.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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20 Nov 2005 08:15:44 PM |
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wrote:
Which part of the world is *this*?
In my case, Germany. A land where _any_ criticism of jews will earn you an
instant branding as a neofascist scumbag.
Now, I don't want to say that jews are bad in any way "just because". Why
should I? But if I can't even criticize, for example, how modern Israel
treats the Palestinians... then something isn't okay here.
The only difference between pre & posat WWII is that w know
that we can't let people get away with saying unfair or untrue
things about us, because now we know where it leads when
we are silent. So now we speak up in response.
If this is the only difference where you live, so much the better. Sadly, I
have another impression.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town |
20 Nov 2005 10:07:14 PM |
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On 20-Nov-2005, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de>
wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Which part of the world is *this*?
In my case, Germany. A land where _any_ criticism of jews will earn you an
instant branding as a neofascist scumbag.
Oh, I thought you were discusisng something legal.
In *any* civilized society, making false and nasty comments
about an entire group of people will earn you just what you deserve.
Now, I don't want to say that jews are bad in any way "just because". Why
should I? But if I can't even criticize, for example, how modern Israel
treats the Palestinians... then something isn't okay here.
Just from your statement I can already gather that you have an opinion,
but no facts on the matter. Itis *those* opinions that always seem to
coimcide with the oopinion prompted by Jew-hatred.
The only difference between pre & post WWII is that w know
that we can't let people get away with saying unfair or untrue
things about us, because now we know where it leads when
we are silent. So now we speak up in response.
If this is the only difference where you live, so much the better. Sadly,
I have another impression.
And if I made the type of remarks that you undoubtedly make, I
wouldhave the same opinion. Unsurprising, but not closely connected
w/reality.
Susan
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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21 Nov 2005 02:19:16 AM |
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wrote:
Oh, I thought you were discusisng something legal.
In *any* civilized society, making false and nasty comments
about an entire group of people will earn you just what you deserve.
Which I don't deny.
Just from your statement I can already gather that you have an opinion,
but no facts on the matter. Itis *those* opinions that always seem to
coimcide with the oopinion prompted by Jew-hatred.
Read my posting again. I don't hate jews.
And if I made the type of remarks that you undoubtedly make, I
wouldhave the same opinion. Unsurprising, but not closely connected
w/reality.
So what kind of comments do you think I make?
Do I "hate the French people" for example if I state that I think they made
some mistakes which lead to the recent riots over there or what?
Honestly, did you really read what I posted?
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:16:20 AM |
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On 20-Nov-2005, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de>
wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Oh, I thought you were discussing something legal.
In *any* civilized society, making false and nasty comments
about an entire group of people will earn you just what you deserve.
Which I don't deny.
Just from your statement I can already gather that you have an opinion,
but no facts on the matter. Itis *those* opinions that always seem to
coincide with the oopinion prompted by Jew-hatred.
Read my posting again. I don't hate jews.
Read what *I* said: I didn't say that *you* did.
And if I made the type of remarks that you undoubtedly make, I
wouldhave the same opinion. Unsurprising, but not closely connected
w/reality.
So what kind of comments do you think I make?
Okay - you show me that your comments were innocuous.
Tell me what your comments are.
Do I "hate the French people" for example if I state that I think they
made
some mistakes which lead to the recent riots over there or what?
Be more specific.
I am more used to the usual comments about Israel - not so the French.
Honestly, did you really read what I posted?
Perhaps more carefully than you wished.
You sounded *exactly* like every person who has wanted to pretend
one thing & be another tjhat we've had on scj.
I'd lke to be wrong, so I am waiting for your elicidation.
Susan
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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21 Nov 2005 04:48:53 PM |
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wrote:
Read what *I* said: I didn't say that *you* did.
Okay then :)
Tell me what your comments are.
Well...
....referring to Israel of today, I don't care what people think, I just care
about how they act. From what I hear...
1. does it seem pretty clear to me that Israeli forces are (sometimes -
probably not always ;) ) committing war crimes under the guise of defending
their own (well, one could argue that once the situation got as bad as it
is today at the Israel/Palestine border, it doesn't matter that much who
starts what - one deed causes the other)
2. do I have the opinion that modern Israel at times (though surely not
always) exploits the "we are jews, we are The Victims(TM)" point of view.
You know, criticize anything Israel does today and immediately _some_
people start to whine about anti-semitism. Of course, no one has a right to
rant against jews just because they are jews... but from what I hear about
the situation in and around Israel today I have to wonder whether this is
really okay.
I am more used to the usual comments about Israel - not so the French.
Well, as I said above, in a way it doesn't matter that much any more who
starts what "down there" - one deed causes the other, causes revenge from
the other side, and that again causes revenge from the original side, et
cetera. Vicious circles.
Honestly, did you really read what I posted?
Perhaps more carefully than you wished.
We may well have misunderstood each other. Well, such are the ways of life.
You sounded *exactly* like every person who has wanted to pretend
one thing & be another tjhat we've had on scj.
I'd lke to be wrong, so I am waiting for your elicidation.
Hoping that I made you rest at least _somewhat_ more peacefully ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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21 Nov 2005 07:26:46 PM |
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On 21-Nov-2005, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de>
wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
Read what *I* said: I didn't say that *you* did.
Okay then :)
Tell me what your comments are.
Well...
...referring to Israel of today, I don't care what people think, I just
care
about how they act. From what I hear...
1. does it seem pretty clear to me that Israeli forces are (sometimes -
probably not always ;) ) committing war crimes under the guise of
defending
their own
It only seems clear to those without the facts.
israel has committed no war crimes.
People who *insist* she *is* are *usually* people who also hate Jews..
This is why people automatically assume that you are one.
(well, one could argue that once the situation got as bad as it
is today at the Israel/Palestine border, it doesn't matter that much who
starts what - one deed causes the other)
Yes, it is always important "who started it."
This is
2. do I have the opinion that modern Israel at times (though surely not
always) exploits the "we are jews, we are The Victims(TM)" point of view.
Not nearly enough, give the rhetoric of those who have swrorn to detroy her.
You *do* know that terrorists are fighting against *Jews*, not just
Israelis?
You know, criticize anything Israel does today and immediately _some_
people start to whine about anti-semitism.
because most people criticize *just* Israel, and falsely - which is another
clue that they are doing it *solely* because
Of course, no one has a right
to
rant against jews just because they are jews... but from what I hear about
the situation in and around Israel today I have to wonder whether this is
really okay.
I am more used to the usual comments about Israel - not so the French.
Well, as I said above, in a way it doesn't matter that much any more who
starts what "down there" - one deed causes the other, causes revenge from
the other side, and that again causes revenge from the original side, et
cetera. Vicious circles.
This is an unacceptable equivocation.
Let me illustrate.
If I kick you, who is to blame? I am.
If you kick me back, who is t blame? I am.
If I refuse to accept that you had a right to kick me back, and claim that I
now get to kick you, who is at fault? I am.
If you kick me back, who is at fault? I am.
Getting the picture?
It' not a "cycle of violence", it's stream of terrorism and ineffectual
reprisal.
Honestly, did you really read what I posted?
Perhaps more carefully than you wished.
We may well have misunderstood each other. Well, such are the ways of
life.
You sounded *exactly* like every person who has wanted to pretend
one thing & be another tjhat we've had on scj.
I'd lke to be wrong, so I am waiting for your elicidation.
Hoping that I made you rest at least _somewhat_ more peacefully ;)
I get the feeling that you are, like most people in the world, honestly
unaware of exactly what's going on over there. You do not sound as
tho' you hate Jews at all.
Susan
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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22 Nov 2005 02:04:18 AM |
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wrote:
It only seems clear to those without the facts.
israel has committed no war crimes.
People who *insist* she *is* are *usually* people who also hate Jews..
This is why people automatically assume that you are one.
Actually, I have a hard time remembering when I (personally) was last
accused of that, but anyway...
I get the feeling that you are, like most people in the world, honestly
unaware of exactly what's going on over there. You do not sound as
tho' you hate Jews at all.
Glad to have that cleared up :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "LC" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:05:28 AM |
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Pathological troll "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:sb6dnShkzfPOMOPeRVn-pQ@giganews.com...
If a Christian clergy member were to criticize a rabbi, cries of
"anti-semitism" would be heard from every media outlet. These rabbis owe
Rev. Robertson an apology.
http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=6902
Rabbis Slam Televangelist For Condemning a Town
The Rev. Pat Robertson is drawing criticism from rabbis of all
denominational stripes for suggesting that citizens of Pennsylvania's
Dover area no longer merit God's protection because they voted out critics
of evolution.
So...you're saying you agree with "Rev." Robber's proclamation, "J"?
LC~ "J" just says whatever it takes to get attention, no matter how stupid
it makes him look.
"I ain't a Jesus freak. I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
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