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"J Young" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:44:08 AM |
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Radical atheism |
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is posted?
Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam, for
example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many nonreligious
people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
Their argument that they offend nonbelievers is lame. There are secular
practices in government institutions that are offensive to religious people,
but they are not crying to rid the society of everything secular. These
atheists are extremely intolerant. I can't imagine the prejudice that would
be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Their latest beef is with scientists who dare to suggest that natural
selection is an insufficient explanation for the complexity of life on this
planet. I guess the founders of this country that said all men are "created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are being
attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an atheistic
country?
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| User: "Jesus Sucks" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 04:21:58 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:xZednc1aiYKDPePenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com...
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is
posted?
Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam, for
example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many
nonreligious
people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
It's not possible to hate god because no god or gods exist except in your
head.
Their argument that they offend nonbelievers is lame. There are secular
practices in government institutions that are offensive to religious
people,
but they are not crying to rid the society of everything secular. These
atheists are extremely intolerant. I can't imagine the prejudice that
would
be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Name one secular practice in government institutions that you find
offensive. I do find religious propaganda extremely offensive. I don't care
if anyone else does. It's offensive to me. This is an atheist country. The
government does not support any religion. No matter that the president is a
stupid xian. And atheists are not prejudice against xians or any othy
religion. We are only prejudice against stupid people like you.
Their latest beef is with scientists who dare to suggest that natural
selection is an insufficient explanation for the complexity of life on
this
planet. I guess the founders of this country that said all men are
"created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
There is no legitimate scientist that suggests that the theory of evolution
in its current state is insufficient explanation for the complexity of life.
There are a lot of religious wackos that have (mostly questionable) degrees
that might say this, but they are considered moronic by true scientists.
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are
being
attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an atheistic
country?
All we ask is that your keep your religious wackyness in your own home or
church. Is that really too much to ask? And yes, I would love to live in a
world free of religious idiocy.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 07:04:59 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, J Young poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is posted?
ALL of them, Einstein.
....
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
It is a battle against ignorance and superstition.
Too bad you are on the losing end.
....
I guess the founders of this country that said all men are "created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
< chuckle! > Another acknowledgement that ID is creationism, and thus
religion.
....
Regards,
Josef
Any self-respecting God would consider political support for its
religion an insult.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 05:30:51 AM |
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In article <xZednc1aiYKDPePenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is posted?
Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam, for
example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many nonreligious
people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
Their argument that they offend nonbelievers is lame. There are secular
practices in government institutions that are offensive to religious people,
but they are not crying to rid the society of everything secular. These
atheists are extremely intolerant. I can't imagine the prejudice that would
be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Their latest beef is with scientists who dare to suggest that natural
selection is an insufficient explanation for the complexity of life on this
planet. I guess the founders of this country that said all men are "created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are being
attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an atheistic
country?
Clearly the opinion of someone who would be offended by impositions by
any religion, such as Hinduism, at odds with Christianity.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 07:01:18 AM |
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J Young wrote:
...What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is
posted? Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and
Islam, for example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many
nonreligious people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
The commandments of holy hatred have no place in any democratic government,
fundie brat.
Remember what they say, uh?
First commandment as found in Ex 34:13 - "[But] ye shall destroy their [the
heathens'] altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:"
That's the _real_ commandments of course, the ones the preachers never
mention... to better deceive the ignorant masses.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
Now everybody place your bets - will this fundie brat finally be the one to
explain how atheists (who do not believe any Divine force to exist) can
hate such an entity?
Well, don't hold your breath...
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
Try "braindead fundie zeal".
I can't imagine the prejudice
that would be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Of course not. One can't really imagine a nothing. The fundie cults, of
course, would be the target of justified opposition, but that's not the
whole of the jebus cult by far.
Deceptions in the following quote corrected:
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are
being attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an
theocratic tyranny a la Iran?
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
21 Nov 2005 02:58:58 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state.
So God is not a religious concept? Not a religious dogma?
Tell me, Mr. Wade: Do you assert that "God" is nothing more than ceremonial
deism, with no religious context whatsoever? Please explain your answer.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
21 Nov 2005 06:10:52 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> writes:
J Young wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state.
So God is not a religious concept? Not a religious dogma?
Tell me, Mr. Wade: Do you assert that "God" is nothing more than ceremonial
deism, with no religious context whatsoever? Please explain your answer.
And, Mr. Wade, please do it three times before the ***** crows.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
21 Nov 2005 03:01:14 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:58:58 -0800, in alt.atheism
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in <4381E0B2.2C5773FA@serv.net>:
J Young wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state.
So God is not a religious concept? Not a religious dogma?
Tell me, Mr. Wade: Do you assert that "God" is nothing more than ceremonial
deism, with no religious context whatsoever? Please explain your answer.
That is a common defense of superficial invocation of a god in
government settings.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
21 Nov 2005 05:03:58 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 06:58:58 -0800, in alt.atheism
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in <4381E0B2.2C5773FA@serv.net>:
J Young wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state.
So God is not a religious concept? Not a religious dogma?
Tell me, Mr. Wade: Do you assert that "God" is nothing more than ceremonial
deism, with no religious context whatsoever? Please explain your answer.
That is a common defense of superficial invocation of a god in
government settings.
Exactly my point. Either God is the subject of religious devotion which make it
de facto religion, or God is empty ceremony worthy of respect only as a matter of
tradition. The one may not be promoted or endorsed by government in any way; the
other demeans and belittles the religious values and beliefs of hundreds of
millions of Americans.
Which is it?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[W]e have never held that moral disapproval, without any other asserted
state interest, is a sufficient rationale under the Equal Protection
Clause to justify a law that discriminates among groups of persons."
- Sandra Day O`Conner, _Lawrence v Texas_
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=02-102
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
24 Nov 2005 11:42:04 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is posted?
Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam, for
example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many nonreligious
people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments
You bloody fool. All atheists do is despair at others that grovel to an
imaginary god. How can we hate a myth?
Grow up
Bob Young
Hong kong
and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
Their argument that they offend nonbelievers is lame. There are secular
practices in government institutions that are offensive to religious people,
but they are not crying to rid the society of everything secular. These
atheists are extremely intolerant. I can't imagine the prejudice that would
be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Their latest beef is with scientists who dare to suggest that natural
selection is an insufficient explanation for the complexity of life on this
planet. I guess the founders of this country that said all men are "created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are being
attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an atheistic
country?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 07:28:46 AM |
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in article xZednc1aiYKDPePenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 11/18/05 10:44 PM:
The word "God" -- when used in a government building as part of the Pledge
of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments -- has nothing to do with separation
of church and state. What church exactly is the government supposed to be
separating from when the word God is used or the Ten Commandments is posted?
Many denominations -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and Islam, for
example -- acknowledge God and the Ten Commandments. Even many nonreligious
people believe in God and respect the Ten Commandments.
We are in a culture war with radical atheistic secular humanists who hate
God and his commandments and any appearance of them in the public arena.
What other rational explanation is there for these baseless legal battles?
Their argument that they offend nonbelievers is lame. There are secular
practices in government institutions that are offensive to religious people,
but they are not crying to rid the society of everything secular. These
atheists are extremely intolerant. I can't imagine the prejudice that would
be inflicted on Christians if atheists ran the country.
Their latest beef is with scientists who dare to suggest that natural
selection is an insufficient explanation for the complexity of life on this
planet. I guess the founders of this country that said all men are "created"
equal should be banished from the classroom too. We can't have students
knowing they believed in intelligent design.
Wake up, America, and realize that the foundations of our culture are being
attacked and slowly whittled away. Do you want to live in an atheistic
country?
Except for letting you throw temper tantrums on line, to help
distract you from His doing NOTHING for you...what has Christ provided in
your life?
Paul
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 08:32:09 PM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote
Except for letting you throw temper tantrums on line, to help
distract you from His doing NOTHING for you...what has Christ provided in
your life?
If it wasn't for Jesus, probably we'd still be worshipping a Roman Emperor
who periodically deified his homosexual boy partners.
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 11:42:17 PM |
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On 2005-11-19 12:32:09 -0800, "Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> said:
If it wasn't for Jesus, probably we'd still be worshipping a Roman Emperor
Your grasp of world history is... well, rather wanting.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"The Earth is degenerating today. Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer obey their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching."
-- Assyrian Tablet, Ca. 2800 BC
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Radical atheism |
19 Nov 2005 04:51:50 PM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFA43E5E.1FE81%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article xZednc1aiYKDPePenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 11/18/05 10:44 PM:
<J "IBen" Young's troll flushed>
Except for letting you throw temper tantrums on line, to help
distract you from His doing NOTHING for you...what has Christ provided in
your life?
His virtual love life?:
"I love porn stars!God bless them."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404240901.7eb55105@posting.google.com>
LC~ Porno and a 20 year old car: God's gift to "J".
"I have a 1985 Honda Accord. It seems to be using small amounts of
radiator fluid and I can't find out why. It did overheat a few months
ago, but not all the way. No water is in the oil or anything. It uses
about a cup a week. If it were a cracked head gasket, wouldn't it be
getting worse by now?" ~ J "IBen" Young, reaping his just rewards.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Subject: Accord using fluid
Date: 16 Feb 2005 20:34:01 -0800
Message-ID: <396a5984.0502162034.3ba1fe40@posting.google.com>
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