Religions > Atheism > Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
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"Rob Wade" |
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05 May 2005 04:03:14 PM |
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Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten
class.
Lexington parent David Parker had scheduled a meeting with the
principal of Estabrook Elementary School and the town's director of
education. His reason for the meeting was to once again ask that his
six-year-old son be opted out of classroom discussions and curriculum
endorsing homosexual "marriage." When the school officials told Parker
they did not have the authority to grant him that parental right, he
said he would not leave until the request was granted.
Parker was then handcuffed and arrested by Lexington police, and forced
to spend a night in jail. Brian Camenker, who heads the Article 8
Alliance, was with Parker at the time of the arrest.
"To watch a man go through this in America is a very, very frightening
thing," Camenker states. "There is some bad stuff going on, and this
[incident] is a direct result of the gay marriage ruling in
Massachusetts."
Arrest and incarceration, says Camenker, were only the beginning. He
says Parker was also unjustly banned from the campus by the
superintendent of Lexington schools.
"He's not only charged with trespassing, but [the superintendent has]
given official notice that [Parker] may not go on any school property
in the entire town -- even to pick up his kid in emergencies," the
Alliance spokesman says. Camenker explains that if Parker is found on
any school property, he will be arrested immediately. "You know,
they're very arrogant and hostile about this," he adds.
Chapter 71, Section 32A of the General Laws of Massachusetts state that
parents or guardians shall have the right to exempt their children from
curriculum that involves human sexual education or human sexuality
issues by making such a request in writing to the school principal.
Parker had requested such numerous times via e-mail before the meeting
at which he was arrested.
Camenker's group plans to hold a statewide rally in support of Parker
on May 15. His attorney, Harvey Silvergate, maintains Parker's son was
subjected to "coercive indoctrination" by being required to remain in
the classroom. There is a difference, the attorney says, between
"academic education" and "socialization or indoctrination."
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 06:45:41 PM |
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On 5 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
wrote or quoted :
pro-homosexual curriculum
What is a "pro-homosexual curriclum"?
It is one where kids are taught tolerance, not to beat up or murder
gay people.
You want kids taught to be bigots, to become gay bashers?
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 08:17:28 PM |
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"Roedy Green" <look-on@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:kubl71hiekuklgnfhohiintdeu8l0uah0g@4ax.com...
On 5 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, "Rob Wade" <rob_c_wade_03@yahoo.com>
wrote or quoted :
pro-homosexual curriculum
What is a "pro-homosexual curriclum"?
Fundie rhetoric.
[snip]
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 04:24:40 PM |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can SELECT some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not everyone in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage issue. But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me very much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 04:28:23 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
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| User: "Zeligg" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
09 May 2005 01:31:27 PM |
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On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
From what I'd heard, the parent was asked to leave and when he
continually refused, he was arrested for trespassing. I believe enven
the police told him that if he left, nothing would happen. I'm
thinking this guy anted to be arrested in order to make his point.
Zeligg
"Prayer has no place in the public schools,
just like facts have no place in organized religion."
- Superintendent Chalmers, The Simpsons
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 05:09:02 PM |
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On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 05:23:11 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 05:25:33 PM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1115331791.524826.70080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
And THAT'S what the issue is.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 08:04:03 PM |
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On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
05 May 2005 08:12:12 PM |
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On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
The right never to have such a thing exist in his world?
-- cary
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| User: "snex" |
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09 May 2005 12:16:17 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at
Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning
to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in
a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story
is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement
or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized,
do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
he asked to be notified ahead of time, and the school refused to do so.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
09 May 2005 10:52:22 PM |
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In our last episode
<1115658977.460629.130000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, snex pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at
Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning
to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in
a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story
is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement
or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized,
do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
he asked to be notified ahead of time, and the school refused to do so.
Actually, he asked that his child be excused when "discussions about such
issues arise, even if spontaneously."
http://www.townonline.com/lexington/opinion/view.bg?articleid=238621
I suppose schools could set up something like the Office of Offense
Notification. Every parent, at the beginning of the school year, will
register every subject that might offend them. Every class discussion will
be monitored and if a subject arises that might offend, the discussion
stopped until parents are notified. I expect this could easily be done
with only, oh, tripling school taxes and getting rid of unnecessary
expenses like libraries.
Interesting thing about "notification" is that the Anti-Bias Committee
that distributes the books tells parents about the books at the beginning
of the year and gives parents the option of indicating what books they
don't want included in the book bag of their child. The books are also
displayed at a parent-teacher night.
Parker apparently couldn't be bothered with his kid's education. At least
not until he could call in people with video cameras:
"Mr. Parker also used his cell phone to make a number of phone calls, and
a small group of people began arriving with cameras."
http://www2.townonline.com/lexington/opinion/view.bg?articleid=238621&format=&page=2
The most interesting thing about being "notified" of these things
is that it seems Mr. Parker is a member of the Anti-Bias Committee.
"Parent David Parker of Bedford Street and a member of the anti-bias
committee at Estabrook Elementary School..."
http://www2.townonline.com/lexington/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=233423
That is, he's on the committee that *distributes the books.
He knew about the books on or before April 28th. He was complaining about
them then. He went to the school armed with a number to call which brought
people with video cameras to capture the sight of him being arrested.
This was *staged.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son'sSchool |
06 May 2005 02:34:10 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
Should the school have books that suggest that homosexuality is morally
wrong?
--
"That is not true, that is such a lie."
"You must not call everything a lie, Martha, must she?"
"Hell, I don't know when you people are lying or what."
"You're damn right."
"You're not supposed to."
+-Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"
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06 May 2005 11:30:37 PM |
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In article <427BC6B2.53904E0D@plazmototifficatious.org>,
pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org says...
Should the school have books that suggest that homosexuality is morally
wrong?
Should a kindergarden have books which state that christianity is simply
a vacuous myth?
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BAAWA all night long
SMASHing it to the masses
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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07 May 2005 12:28:15 AM |
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The Great Hairy One wrote:
In article <427BC6B2.53904E0D@plazmototifficatious.org>,
pristoplainical@plazmototifficatious.org says...
Should the school have books that suggest that homosexuality is morally
wrong?
Should a kindergarden have books which state that christianity is simply
a vacuous myth?
What are you driving at?
--
"When you pull a gun, kill a man."
-+John Ford, "My Darling Clementine"
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| User: "The Great Hairy One" |
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07 May 2005 10:49:22 PM |
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In article <427C51EF.FE45406D@mail.com>, says...
What are you driving at?
What I am driving at is that kindergardens and schools are no place for
politics or theology.
You believe that homosexuality is wrong - don't try and teach that to my
kids, because I disagree with you. I certainly would not force your kids
to sit through my discussions on religion, and I do not expect you to
try to force my children to sit through your personal views on
"morality".
Cheers,
TGHO
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BAAWA all night long
SMASHing it to the masses
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| User: "MarkA" |
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09 May 2005 06:29:54 AM |
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 12:34:10 -0700, Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of
recirculation') wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just
arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to
agree that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to
leave because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of
the class, which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
If he can select ~some~ books to read to his kid and only one has the
gay dads in it, what's his problem? What rights is he being denied?
Should the school have books that suggest that homosexuality is morally
wrong?
Here's a radical idea: why not let the PARENTS teach their kids what they
want them to believe about God, morality, etc, and have the schools just
teach them factual things like "some families have two dads", or, "the
vast majority of scientists believe that living things evolve over time."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "MarkA" |
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06 May 2005 06:24:30 AM |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:23:11 -0700, snex wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 May 2005 14:28:23 -0700, "snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was
recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can
SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all
different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it
doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
No doubt there was a lot more to it than someone being 'just arrested'.
LOL, they never stop trying to pretend they are being victimized, do
they?
after googling for non-christian reports on this, they all seem to agree
that he was arrested for refusing to leave, and he refused to leave
because the school refused to allow his son to be opted out of the class,
which the articles also agree is part of MA law.
even if the guy is a bigot, the school is denying him his rights.
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that homosexual
families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he needs to
home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid that he evolved
from monkeys!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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06 May 2005 08:07:04 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that homosexual
families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he needs to
home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid that he evolved
from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know that humans
and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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06 May 2005 04:41:46 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
Which makes atheism little different from theism.
--
"That is not true, that is such a lie."
"You must not call everything a lie, Martha, must she?"
"Hell, I don't know when you people are lying or what."
"You're damn right."
"You're not supposed to."
+-Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School |
06 May 2005 09:11:07 AM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that
homosexual
families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he needs to
home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid that he
evolved
from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know
that humans
and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you sure? I thought fanatic creationists evolved from monkeys and
humans evolved from an ape ancestor.
jwk
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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06 May 2005 05:30:17 PM |
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jwk <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that
homosexual families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he
needs to home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid
that he evolved from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know
that humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you sure? I thought fanatic creationists evolved from monkeys and
humans evolved from an ape ancestor.
jwk
I've heard that it wasn't even an ape, more primitive, probably a Lemur like
creature.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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08 May 2005 11:35:39 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
jwk <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that
homosexual families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he
needs to home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid
that he evolved from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know
that humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you sure? I thought fanatic creationists evolved from monkeys and
humans evolved from an ape ancestor.
jwk
I've heard that it wasn't even an ape, more primitive, probably a Lemur like
creature.
A darn sight better than you, the spawn of Jar Jar Binks!
--
By the life of God, it doth even take my wits from me to think on it!
Here is such controversy between the sailors and the gentlemen, and such
stomaching between the gentlemen and sailors, that it doth even make me
mad to hear it. But, my masters, I must have it left. For I must have
the gentlemen to haul and draw with the mariner and the mariner with the
gentlemen. What! Let us show ourselves all to be of a company and let us
not give occasion to the enemy to rejoice at our decay and overthrow. I
would know him, that would refuse to set his hand to a rope, but I know
there is not any such here."
-+Sir Frances Drake
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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06 May 2005 04:42:21 PM |
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jwk wrote:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that
homosexual
families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he needs to
home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid that he
evolved
from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know
that humans
and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you sure? I thought fanatic creationists evolved from monkeys and
humans evolved from an ape ancestor.
Monkey see, monkey do.
--
"That is not true, that is such a lie."
"You must not call everything a lie, Martha, must she?"
"Hell, I don't know when you people are lying or what."
"You're damn right."
"You're not supposed to."
+-Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?"
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| User: "jwk" |
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06 May 2005 09:13:55 AM |
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jwk wrote:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
MarkA wrote:
He was being unreasonable. They weren't "teaching" anything
about
sexuality. They were distributing a book that mentions that
homosexual
families exist. If he is going to be that sensitive, he needs to
home-school his kid. They may even try to tell his kid that he
evolved
from monkeys!
Which would be a lie, as everyone EXCEPT fanatic creationists know
that humans
and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you sure? I thought fanatic creationists evolved from monkeys
and
humans evolved from an ape ancestor.
jwk
Sorry, I meant to type "monkeys evolved from fanatic creationists". I
didn't mean to give the IDers so much credit.
jwk
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| User: "jwk" |
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06 May 2005 09:08:55 AM |
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snex wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:03:14 -0700, Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's
School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to
hold
a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested
and hauled off to jail after raising objections to pro-homosexual
curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten class.
I was suspicious of the phrase, "pro-homosexual curriculum" in a
kindergarten class, so I did a little research. The true story is
that
the school sends home several books, so that the PARENTS can SELECT
some
to read to their child. One book states, without endorsement or
condemnation, that a family can have two dads.
That is the "issue" that Mr Parker felt it appropriate to be
arrested
over. I guess he doesn't want his kid to find out that not
everyone
in
the world is a God-soaked fanatic bigot like his father is.
I used to be pretty indifferent about the homosexual marriage
issue.
But
the venom being spewed by the Moral Fascist Brigade has made me
very
much
in favor of "gay rights."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
unless the article is lying about the circumstances though, it doesnt
seem that his being arrested was justified.
How could you read that article and not notice the obvious bias? Even
if everything this man claimed was true, an unbiased publication would
not have used such inflamatory phrasology. And since the report is
obviously biased, you really cannot trust that the facts, as given, are
accurate.
jwk
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son'sSchool |
10 May 2005 05:58:56 AM |
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Rob Wade wrote:
Chapter 71, Section 32A of the General Laws of Massachusetts state that
parents or guardians shall have the right to exempt their children from
curriculum that involves human sexual education or human sexuality
issues by making such a request in writing to the school principal.
Parker had requested such numerous times via e-mail before the meeting
at which he was arrested.
Well, there's the problem: "in writing." E-mail isn't "writing." The law
is clear that "writing" involves "pen and paper" and that the process
includes a hand-written signature. (Its a bureaucracy thing, the powers
that be love little pieces of paper that can be stuffed into a file.)
So, they're having a rally for someone too dense to understand the most
simplistic of things. Wow.
--
Little Things They Forget to Mention...
Item #5: Latex has an aftertaste.
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06 May 2005 02:51:40 PM |
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Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten
class.
Lexington parent David Parker had scheduled a meeting with the
principal of Estabrook Elementary School and the town's director of
education. His reason for the meeting was to once again ask that his
six-year-old son be opted out of classroom discussions and curriculum
endorsing homosexual "marriage." When the school officials told
Parker
they did not have the authority to grant him that parental right, he
said he would not leave until the request was granted.
Parker was then handcuffed and arrested by Lexington police, and
forced
to spend a night in jail. Brian Camenker, who heads the Article 8
Alliance, was with Parker at the time of the arrest.
"To watch a man go through this in America is a very, very
frightening
thing," Camenker states. "There is some bad stuff going on, and this
[incident] is a direct result of the gay marriage ruling in
Massachusetts."
NON-POLITICAL NG'S REMOVED
The Religious Reich says arresting this man was wrong. In Florida they
phrased a registered sex offender when he had his 10 year old son
arrested at Terri Schiavo's hospice.
JohnN
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| User: "Voice of Truth International Church" |
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06 May 2005 07:10:35 AM |
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Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten
class.
So much for freedom of choice, then.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 May 2005 08:08:58 AM |
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In our last episode <u6KdnWVA0a0kw-bfRVnygA@giganews.com>, Voice of Truth
International Church pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare
proclaimed:
Rob Wade wrote:
Rally Planned in Support of Concerned Parent Arrested at Son's School
By Jim Brown
(AgapePress) - A Massachusetts pro-family group is planning to hold a
statewide rally in support of a Christian parent who was recently
arrested and hauled off to jail after raising objections to
pro-homosexual curriculum and discussions in his son's kindergarten
class.
So much for freedom of choice, then.
Now, let's take a look over here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/dadarrestedinprotestovergaybook
"David Parker started e-mailing school officials about the subject. The
e-mails became so heated the superintendent of Lexington public schools
warned him, 'If you are found on Lexington public schools' properties you
will be subject to arrest by the Lexington police.'"
Hm... puts me in mind of how Judge Greer had to have bodyguards because of
all the death threats (made in the love of Jesus of course).
"After Parker ignored repeated requests to leave over the course of more
than two hours, school officials called the police."
Two hours. Boy, they really *rushed to have him arrested huh?
"However Rachel F. Cortez, co-president of the Estabrook Parent-Teacher
Association and a member of the school's anti-bias committee, told the
Boston Globe that parents receive notification about the materials in
question.
"'The kids don't have to take [the materials] home,' she said. 'Parents
can either opt out entirely or use whatever materials they want.'"
Um, wait. The guy was demanding to have the notification he already
received?
Interesting...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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