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"Elroy Willis" |
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18 Dec 2003 12:50:12 PM |
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Rambo Jesus? |
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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18 Dec 2003 12:57:52 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
--
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Khartoum aa#2110
When two men of science disagree, they do not invoke the secular arm;
they wait for further evidence to decide the issue, because, as men
of science,they know that neither is infallible. But when two
theologians differ,since there is no criteria to which either can
appeal, there is nothing for it but mutual hatred and an open or
covert appeal to force.
Bertrand Russell
Can Religion Cure our Troubles 1954
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| User: "khartoum" |
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18 Dec 2003 01:14:20 PM |
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khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
--
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Khartoum aa#2110
When two men of science disagree, they do not invoke the secular arm;
they wait for further evidence to decide the issue, because, as men
of science,they know that neither is infallible. But when two
theologians differ,since there is no criteria to which either can
appeal, there is nothing for it but mutual hatred and an open or
covert appeal to force.
Bertrand Russell
Can Religion Cure our Troubles 1954
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| User: "Ian" |
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18 Dec 2003 04:17:28 PM |
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In article <g0nEb.393096$Dw6.1244717@attbi_s02>, said...
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Nazareth didn't get established as a town until the fourth (fifth?)
century, when an embarrased Roman emperor realized that the central
character of the new official Imperial religion came from a place that
didn't exist. It was then that the town was named.
IIRC, most people think that particular gaffe came from one of the
Gospel writers who was trying to make his story "fit in" with OT
prophecies, thinking that the term "Nazarene" in one of the prophecies
meant "somebody from Nazareth" when it actually referred to "a long-
haired prophet" or something, I forget the exact meaning.
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To reply to me via email, drop the dash in the address.
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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18 Dec 2003 06:41:30 PM |
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Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4bf18123c83de3989696@netnews.upenn.edu...
In article <g0nEb.393096$Dw6.1244717@attbi_s02>,
khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com said...
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Nazareth didn't get established as a town until the fourth (fifth?)
century, when an embarrased Roman emperor realized that the central
character of the new official Imperial religion came from a place that
didn't exist. It was then that the town was named.
IIRC, most people think that particular gaffe came from one of the
Gospel writers who was trying to make his story "fit in" with OT
prophecies, thinking that the term "Nazarene" in one of the prophecies
meant "somebody from Nazareth" when it actually referred to "a long-
haired prophet" or something, I forget the exact meaning.
You're referring to the Nazirites. Samson was one of them.
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to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
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| User: "Stephen Poley" |
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19 Dec 2003 06:18:46 AM |
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(piggybacking again; don't know what it is with this group, but it
really seems to confuse my server, or my news-reader, or both. Not
surprising I suppose ...)
Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4bf18123c83de3989696@netnews.upenn.edu...
Nazareth didn't get established as a town until the fourth (fifth?)
century, when an embarrased Roman emperor realized that the central
character of the new official Imperial religion came from a place that
didn't exist. It was then that the town was named.
That ties in with another current thread. Could you tell me - where does
that information come from?
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Stephen Poley
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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19 Dec 2003 09:21:51 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:14:20 GMT, khartoum
<khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> ejaculated:
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Even more interesting when you consider the Gospels don't agree on
what was on the sign. If all the Gospels recorded part of the sign,
it would have to be about 6 feet tall.
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Jesus is my crush.
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| User: "khartoum" |
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19 Dec 2003 09:34:20 AM |
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Beowulf wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:14:20 GMT, khartoum
<khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> ejaculated:
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Even more interesting when you consider the Gospels don't agree on
what was on the sign. If all the Gospels recorded part of the sign,
it would have to be about 6 feet tall.
--
Jesus is my crush.
I think it said: "I let my son be crucified. Why do you think I care
about you?"-God
*
*http://atheists.home.att.net/misc/billboards.htm
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Khartoum aa#2110
When two men of science disagree, they do not invoke the secular arm;
they wait for further evidence to decide the issue, because, as men
of science,they know that neither is infallible. But when two
theologians differ,since there is no criteria to which either can
appeal, there is nothing for it but mutual hatred and an open or
covert appeal to force.
Bertrand Russell
Can Religion Cure our Troubles 1954
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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18 Dec 2003 04:37:34 PM |
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khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in
news:g0nEb.393096$Dw6.1244717@attbi_s02:
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a
town of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Probably a reference to the particular sect he belonged to rather than a
place name.
L.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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19 Dec 2003 10:09:57 AM |
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khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: " Didymos" |
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24 Dec 2003 03:07:41 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:c976uv00lrcnm0012vo294m6361ln24rb0@4ax.com...
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
IESUS is the nominative, singular, masculine, 2nd declension form of the
Latin word which when translated into English is "Jesus."
NAZOARENUS is the nominative, singular, masculine, 2nd declension, form of
the Latin word which when translated into English is "Nazorene." A note:
the Old Latin letter Z was only used to transliterate the Greek letter
dzeta.
Thus, IESUS NAZORENUS can only be tranlated as "Jesus a (or the -- no
defintie article in Latin) Nazorene." This cannot be translated as "Jesus
of Nazoreth" because the English "possessive case" indicated by the
preposition "of" always requires the Latin genitive case, which in the
second declension always ends in the letter "i".
REX is the nominative, singular, masculine, 3rd declension, form of the
Latin word which when translated into English is "king."
IUDAEORUM is the genitive, plural, masculine, 2nd declension, form of the
Latin substantive noun Iudaeus, -i, which when translated into English is
"of the Jews."
Thus, IESUS NAZOARENUS REX IUDAEORUM is literally and substantively "Jesus a
(or the) Nazorean King of the Jews."
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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19 Dec 2003 07:28:16 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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29 Dec 2003 07:00:52 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
--
Let tyrants shake their iron rod
And slav'ry clank her galling chains
We fear them not; we trust in God
New England's God forever reigns.
Chester, William Billings circa 1777
1783: Massachusetts SJC Outlaws Slavery
2003: Massachusetts SJC Legalizes Gay Marriage
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| User: " Didymos" |
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29 Dec 2003 07:40:06 PM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0312291700.422e027b@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a
town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
I have read somewhere that there is no early reference to Nazareth, or any
reference before the 4th century. However, Papyrus Bodmer II + Inv. Nr.
4274/4298, dated pretty solidly to the second century (with the scholarly
concensus pretty much agreed on a date between 125-175 A.D.), contains the
Greek words for "Jesus the Nazarene the king of the Jews" about two-thirds
of the way down leaf 69 recto. This manuscript is located in Bibliotheca
Bodmeriana, Cologny-Geneva, Switzerland, except one leaf which is located at
the Cologne University, Cologne, Germany.
--
Let tyrants shake their iron rod
And slav'ry clank her galling chains
We fear them not; we trust in God
New England's God forever reigns.
Chester, William Billings circa 1777
1783: Massachusetts SJC Outlaws Slavery
2003: Massachusetts SJC Legalizes Gay Marriage
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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29 Dec 2003 07:53:51 PM |
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Didymos wrote:
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0312291700.422e027b@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a
town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
I have read somewhere that there is no early reference to Nazareth, or any
reference before the 4th century. However, Papyrus Bodmer II + Inv. Nr.
4274/4298, dated pretty solidly to the second century (with the scholarly
concensus pretty much agreed on a date between 125-175 A.D.), contains the
Greek words for "Jesus the Nazarene the king of the Jews" about two-thirds
of the way down leaf 69 recto. This manuscript is located in Bibliotheca
Bodmeriana, Cologny-Geneva, Switzerland, except one leaf which is located at
the Cologne University, Cologne, Germany.
===>TRUE.
But the NASARENES were a SECT OF JEWS, not people from
some town called "Nazareth". -- L.
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29 Dec 2003 08:40:01 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Didymos wrote:
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0312291700.422e027b@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the
jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation
of a
town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to
be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
I have read somewhere that there is no early reference to Nazareth, or
any
reference before the 4th century. However, Papyrus Bodmer II + Inv. Nr.
4274/4298, dated pretty solidly to the second century (with the
scholarly
concensus pretty much agreed on a date between 125-175 A.D.), contains
the
Greek words for "Jesus the Nazarene the king of the Jews" about
two-thirds
of the way down leaf 69 recto. This manuscript is located in
Bibliotheca
Bodmeriana, Cologny-Geneva, Switzerland, except one leaf which is
located at
the Cologne University, Cologne, Germany.
===>TRUE.
But the NASARENES were a SECT OF JEWS, not people from
some town called "Nazareth". -- L.
And your citations for that are? Feel free to skip over Josephus as I have
them. Any others? Might I suggest Crossan and Reed?
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30 Dec 2003 10:02:34 AM |
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Didymos wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FF0DAAF.63722F37@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Didymos wrote:
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0312291700.422e027b@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the
jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation
of a
town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to
be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
I have read somewhere that there is no early reference to Nazareth, or
any
reference before the 4th century. However, Papyrus Bodmer II + Inv. Nr.
4274/4298, dated pretty solidly to the second century (with the
scholarly
concensus pretty much agreed on a date between 125-175 A.D.), contains
the
Greek words for "Jesus the Nazarene the king of the Jews" about
two-thirds
of the way down leaf 69 recto. This manuscript is located in
Bibliotheca
Bodmeriana, Cologny-Geneva, Switzerland, except one leaf which is
located at
the Cologne University, Cologne, Germany.
===>TRUE.
But the NASARENES were a SECT OF JEWS, not people from
some town called "Nazareth". -- L.
And your citations for that are? Feel free to skip over Josephus as I have
them. Any others? Might I suggest Crossan and Reed?
===>Hans-Joachim Schoeps, Robert Eisenman, etc.
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30 Dec 2003 03:35:06 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FF1A19A.57C6D651@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Didymos wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FF0DAAF.63722F37@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Didymos wrote:
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0312291700.422e027b@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo,
complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty
muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it
just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of
a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the
jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no
confirmation
of a
town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the
death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed
to
be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does
"ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition
to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me
some
cites?
-Hypatia
I have read somewhere that there is no early reference to Nazareth,
or
any
reference before the 4th century. However, Papyrus Bodmer II + Inv.
Nr.
4274/4298, dated pretty solidly to the second century (with the
scholarly
concensus pretty much agreed on a date between 125-175 A.D.),
contains
the
Greek words for "Jesus the Nazarene the king of the Jews" about
two-thirds
of the way down leaf 69 recto. This manuscript is located in
Bibliotheca
Bodmeriana, Cologny-Geneva, Switzerland, except one leaf which is
located at
the Cologne University, Cologne, Germany.
===>TRUE.
But the NASARENES were a SECT OF JEWS, not people from
some town called "Nazareth". -- L.
And your citations for that are? Feel free to skip over Josephus as I
have
them. Any others? Might I suggest Crossan and Reed?
===>Hans-Joachim Schoeps, Robert Eisenman, etc.
Where does Eisenman discuss the archaeology of Nazareth and vicinity? I did
not recall such a thing, so i did an index search in "James the Brother of
Jesus" and found nothing. Can you direct me to a page reference?
May I refer you to Jonathan L. Reed and J. D. Crossan, "Excavating Jesus,"
Harper, 2001; pp 15-37, for an interesting read on the archaeology of
Nazareth to include 1st century finds. Reed is the chief archaeologist at
Sepphoris, and he wrote this section I refer to.
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29 Dec 2003 07:48:38 PM |
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Hypatia Kosh wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
===>Lots of studies have been written about it.
For a starter, with some references, you might check out
"Nazareth – The Town that Theology Built" at
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html
I don't consider it strong enough evidence that Jesus never existed, but
it does give a fairly good and interesting account of the story of Nazareth. -- L.
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29 Dec 2003 09:01:33 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FF0D976.DCB2A2BD@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of
a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
===>Lots of studies have been written about it.
For a starter, with some references, you might check out
"Nazareth - The Town that Theology Built" at
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html
I don't consider it strong enough evidence that Jesus never existed, but
it does give a fairly good and interesting account of the story of
Nazareth. -- L.
Don't you think your source has just a bit of an agenda? Or don't these
words appear at the bottom of the home page of this site? "Christianity...
Fraudulent and Evil ROTTEN - from beginning to end." And then thereis this
gem of scholarly objectivity: " - 1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the
name of Christ " But that is topped by this: "CHECK OUT IF YOU DARE THE
VICIOUS HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN 'FAITH'!"[sic] For some reason the word
"propaganda" keeps sloshing around in my brain . . . isn't this the same
tactic you accuse the religious fundamentalists of using and abusing?
Perhaps you can understand my reluctance to suspect your motives and
devotion to the elimination of falsehood . . . .
What objection do you have to real books and articles in peer-reviewed
journals? Wasn't there a time when you badgered certain of your opponents
to produce such evidence? This guy who runs this site even cites Crossan.
Have you read him? In a couple of his books he discusses the archaeology
and history of Nazareth and Nazarenes, and he lists his sources, and even
presents some opposing views. Try him, you just might learn something from
a true intertestamental scholar whose method is very good.
How much excavation do you think is possible in the rather biggish Arab city
of Nazareth by Jews and Christians nowadays? Or for the last 75 years or
so?
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30 Dec 2003 10:33:07 AM |
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Didymos wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FF0D976.DCB2A2BD@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<3FE3A5B0.984786B@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular
looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a
Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a
little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of
a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
===>"Of the IUDEI (plural for Iudeus)"
more recently JUDEI, i.e. JUDEANS, i.e. JEWS.
BTW, NASARENUS does not mean "of Nasareth", but
"the Nazarene or Nasorean", a militant sect of the Jews, mostly
from Galilee. -- L.
Does this have anything to do with Nazareth being a late addition to
Palestinian geography? I've never read anything about that until
seeing references this week on this newsgroup. Can you give me some
cites?
-Hypatia
===>Lots of studies have been written about it.
For a starter, with some references, you might check out
"Nazareth - The Town that Theology Built" at
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html
I don't consider it strong enough evidence that Jesus never existed, but
it does give a fairly good and interesting account of the story of
Nazareth. -- L.
Don't you think your source has just a bit of an agenda?
===>Of course it does.
Or don't these
words appear at the bottom of the home page of this site? "Christianity...
Fraudulent and Evil ROTTEN - from beginning to end."
===>Yes.
And then thereis this
gem of scholarly objectivity: " - 1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the
name of Christ "
===>Yes.
But that is topped by this: "CHECK OUT IF YOU DARE THE
VICIOUS HISTORY OF THE CHRISTIAN 'FAITH'!"[sic]
===>Yes.
For some reason the word
"propaganda" keeps sloshing around in my brain . . . isn't this the same
tactic you accuse the religious fundamentalists of using and abusing?
===>No.
Perhaps you can understand my reluctance to suspect your motives and
devotion to the elimination of falsehood . . .
===>Truth is truth. Facts are facts.
Falsehood is faleshood.
What objection do you have to real books and articles in peer-reviewed
journals?
===>None.
Wasn't there a time when you badgered certain of your opponents
to produce such evidence? This guy who runs this site even cites Crossan.
Have you read him?
===>Yes.
In a couple of his books he discusses the archaeology
and history of Nazareth and Nazarenes, and he lists his sources, and even
presents some opposing views. Try him, you just might learn something from
a true intertestamental scholar whose method is very good.
===>I agree, he is good.
But I also know there is no evidence of "Nazareth" in the 1st century,
and Nazarenes were a SECT (a "heresy") of Judaism, even according to the
New Testament ((E.g. Acts 24:5
"For we have found this man a real pest and a fellow
who stirs up dissension among all the Jews throughout the world,
and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes),
not people from a certain town.
Perhaps even more properly the term is NAZOREAN, as
found e.g. in Epiphanius, who identifies the Jewish sects as:
Sadducees, Scribes, Pharisees, Hemerobaptists, Ossaeans, Nazorean
and Herodians.(Panarion 1:19)
That statement in itself shows the nature of the Nazarenes, as well.
They were seen as people who "stir up dissension among all the Jews
throughout the [Roman] world."
Anyway, modern translations of the NT, e.g. the New American Standard,
call Jesus "the Nazarene", and NOT "of Nazareth", reflecting the correct
meaning of the Greek phrase "iEsous ho nazOraios". Again, this word is
closer to NAZOREAN.
How much excavation do you think is possible in the rather biggish Arab city
of Nazareth by Jews and Christians nowadays? Or for the last 75 years or
so?
===>I saw some going on when I was there sbout ten years ago. -- L.
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19 Dec 2003 10:13:18 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
khartoum wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
From:
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/yoadrian.jpg
Notice the six-pack abs and the resemblance to Rambo, complete
with the head/sweat band? The forearms are pretty muscular looking,
imo. Blow 'em up a little bit more and you could make a Popeye-Rambo
Jesus.
BTW, does anyone know what the "INRI" stands for? Is it just
part of some other word that looks to be like it's part of a little
scroll?
"INRI" stands for I'm nailed right in. :-)
or Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (jesus christ king of the jews)
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
--
Eternal Lands: www.eternal-lands.com
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19 Dec 2003 10:59:37 AM |
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G <G@aa.false.address> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
How is that word, regardless of font, a reference to Jews?
Assuming "rex" means "king", which I don't have a problem with, how
does "iudeaorum" refer specifically to Jews?
I read one link which suggests that the word actually means ghettos.
Jesus was supposed to come from the ghettos, or from some town that
was supposed to be worthless. Considering what others have said about
Nazareth not really existing at the time of Jesus, I'd say that's an
accurate statement.
Nevermind that Jesus was portrayed as a drunkard and glutton, hanging
around with the despots and hookers and other outcasts of the time.
All that aside, does anyone actually know for sure what "ludaeorum"
is supposed to mean?
If you change the "d" to an "n", you get "lunae" which could relate to
the moon, and people gathering together to get drunk under the light
of the full moon, and becoming lunatics!
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19 Dec 2003 07:32:40 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
G <G@aa.false.address> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Elroy Willis wrote:
khartoum <khartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in alt.atheism
That should have read Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews.
Which is interesting considering that there is no confirmation of a town
of Nazareth existing in the first century AD.
Rex Ludaeorum means king of the Jews?
Hmm...
From:
http://www.searchmalta.com/ezine/dapap/scene8.shtml
"That is : "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Ludaeorum." The latter was the
superscription on the cross of Jesus; in other words, the death
sentence was meted out because "Jesus of Nazareth" had claimed to be
"Kink of the Jews" (John 19:19)."
I've seen "Rex" used to mean king before, but how does "ludaeorum"
parse out as a reference to the Jews?
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
How is that word, regardless of font, a reference to Jews?
Assuming "rex" means "king", which I don't have a problem with, how
does "iudeaorum" refer specifically to Jews?
===>JUDEA, Latin IUDAEA (Latin did not have a "J", they used the letter "I"
before other vowels) was where they lived, the name of their country!
IUDAEANS (Judeans) were THE JEWS!
I read one link which suggests that the word actually means ghettos.
===>NONSENSE!
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20 Dec 2003 05:40:23 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
G <G@aa.false.address> wrote in alt.atheism
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
How is that word, regardless of font, a reference to Jews?
Assuming "rex" means "king", which I don't have a problem with, how
does "iudeaorum" refer specifically to Jews?
===>JUDEA, Latin IUDAEA (Latin did not have a "J", they used the letter "I"
before other vowels) was where they lived, the name of their country!
IUDAEANS (Judeans) were THE JEWS!
"Ah, I see," said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw.
Thanks for the info.
I now see what G meant by the font remark.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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20 Dec 2003 10:47:15 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
G <G@aa.false.address> wrote in alt.atheism
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
How is that word, regardless of font, a reference to Jews?
Assuming "rex" means "king", which I don't have a problem with, how
does "iudeaorum" refer specifically to Jews?
===>JUDEA, Latin IUDAEA (Latin did not have a "J", they used the letter "I"
before other vowels) was where they lived, the name of their country!
IUDAEANS (Judeans) were THE JEWS!
"Ah, I see," said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw.
Thanks for the info.
I now see what G meant by the font remark.
===>Just a quick P.S., FYI:
Latin also did not have a letter "U", but used the letter "V",
so that inscription would have been actually
IESVS NASARENVS REX IVDAEORUM
(This is one reason some anti-catholic
"interpreters" see the number "666" in
the title of the pope:
VICARIVS FILII DEI
i.e. 5+1+100+1+5+1+50+1+1+500+1=666) -- L.
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| User: " Didymos" |
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24 Dec 2003 03:33:16 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:3FE525D3.44A46CA1@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Elroy Willis wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
G <G@aa.false.address> wrote in alt.atheism
What exactly does "ludaeorum" mean in Latin, does anyone know?
Ehhh...elroy?
That iudeaorum, with an 'i'.
You might want to consider changing fonts...
How is that word, regardless of font, a reference to Jews?
Assuming "rex" means "king", which I don't have a problem with, how
does "iudeaorum" refer specifically to Jews?
===>JUDEA, Latin IUDAEA (Latin did not have a "J", they used the
letter "I"
before other vowels) was where they lived, the name of their country!
IUDAEANS (Judeans) were THE JEWS!
"Ah, I see," said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw.
Thanks for the info.
I now see what G meant by the font remark.
===>Just a quick P.S., FYI:
Latin also did not have a letter "U", but used the letter "V",
so that inscription would have been actually
Ah, not exactly . . . . Actually Latin did have both the letters "V" and
"U." Vir, viri with a "V" is the Latin word meaning man, with the
implication of noble and virtuous. Uxor, uxoris is a Latin word meaning
wife. Just two of many hundreds of Latin words being with the Latin letters
"U" and "V". The exceedingly common Latin word "que" (pronounced "quay" and
never qvay) which means "and"obviously contains the letter "U." And the
many Latin words which begin with "VU" seem to negate your statement. I
have in mind such common words as vulgaris, vulgatus, vulgo, vulgus,
vulneratio, vulnero, vulnus, vultur, vulpes, and a few dozen more. The
Latin letter "V" was according to the best reconstructions of linguists,
pronounced as the modern English "W"and the Latin letter "U" was pronounced
as "oo" in modern English. More Latin words beginning with the Latin letter
"V": Veni, vidi, vici, vinum, vena, velum, velox, verax, verbum, veto,
video, vigor, vivus, vix, vox, and hundreds more. More Latin words
beginning with the Latin letter "U": uva, uber, ubi, ulcero, Ulixes,
ultus, ulter, ultra, ululo, umbo, Umbri, umor, undeni, undique, unus, urgeo,
usque, usucapio, utilis, utrum, and hundreds more.
IESVS NASARENVS REX IVDAEORUM
(This is one reason some anti-catholic
"interpreters" see the number "666" in
the title of the pope:
VICARIVS FILII DEI
i.e. 5+1+100+1+5+1+50+1+1+500+1=666) -- L.
Amazing the nonsense ignorance can generate and propagate, isn't it?
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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28 Dec 2003 01:14:42 AM |
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Didymos <me@privacy.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
<snip>
===>Just a quick P.S., FYI:
Latin also did not have a letter "U", but used the letter "V",
so that inscription would have been actually
Ah, not exactly . . . . Actually Latin did have both the letters "V" and
"U." Vir, viri with a "V" is the Latin word meaning man, with the
implication of noble and virtuous. Uxor, uxoris is a Latin word meaning
wife. Just two of many hundreds of Latin words being with the Latin letters
"U" and "V". The exceedingly common Latin word "que" (pronounced "quay" and
never qvay) which means "and"obviously contains the letter "U." And the
many Latin words which begin with "VU" seem to negate your statement. I
have in mind such common words as vulgaris, vulgatus, vulgo, vulgus,
vulneratio, vulnero, vulnus, vultur, vulpes, and a few dozen more. The
Latin letter "V" was according to the best reconstructions of linguists,
pronounced as the modern English "W"and the Latin letter "U" was pronounced
as "oo" in modern English. More Latin words beginning with the Latin letter
"V": Veni, vidi, vici, vinum, vena, velum, velox, verax, verbum, veto,
video, vigor, vivus, vix, vox, and hundreds more. More Latin words
beginning with the Latin letter "U": uva, uber, ubi, ulcero, Ulixes,
ultus, ulter, ultra, ululo, umbo, Umbri, umor, undeni, undique, unus, urgeo,
usque, usucapio, utilis, utrum, and hundreds more.
What's your take on the idea that a "V" is actually an ancient
feminine symbol which ties back to the planet Venus and the stories
about it, many which include Venus as being related to fertility and
birth and rebirth? Surely "Vagina" comes from some reference to
Venus, don't you think?
The two-part word "Venerial" which is used to describe sexually
transmitted diseases is tied to the name of the actual planet we now
call Venus from what I can tell. The Greeks called the same planet
"Aphrodite" and other cultures called it "Ashtoreth" and "Asherha"
and "Ishtar", from what I can tell. The ancient Jews, or whoever
lived in some supposed "promised land" worshipped the planet
Venus as the "Queen of Heaven" as can be seen in the following
verses:
Jeremiah 44:17
"We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn
incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to
her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the
towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had
plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm."
What's this? People in Judah were worshipping a planet?
Oh dear, that can't be right. No way...
A few more thoughts...
If you flip the letter V upside down, there's no such letter in
English, but you can find it on the arms of some of the people who
are the "higher ups" in the military branches of the USA.
The military organizations here in the US use V's and upside down
V's to decorate their military clothing. I think maybe the "v" in
Navy is supposed to be feminine since there's water in*v*olved, and
the "m" in Army is supposed to denote more masculine than feminine.
Just flip the V upside down and double it, eh?
Elroy, who is currently reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wondering
exactly what "Vinci" means. Does it also tie to Venus, since there's
a V involved?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: " Didymos" |
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29 Dec 2003 11:41:29 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:h7ssuvcimikscocl3r10khv5i6b3ghn49g@4ax.com...
Didymos <me@privacy.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
<snip>
===>Just a quick P.S., FYI:
Latin also did not have a letter "U", but used the letter "V",
so that inscription would have been actually
Ah, not exactly . . . . Actually Latin did have both the letters "V" and
"U." Vir, viri with a "V" is the Latin word meaning man, with the
implication of noble and virtuous. Uxor, uxoris is a Latin word meaning
wife. Just two of many hundreds of Latin words being with the Latin
letters
"U" and "V". The exceedingly common Latin word "que" (pronounced "quay"
and
never qvay) which means "and"obviously contains the letter "U." And the
many Latin words which begin with "VU" seem to negate your statement. I
have in mind such common words as vulgaris, vulgatus, vulgo, vulgus,
vulneratio, vulnero, vulnus, vultur, vulpes, and a few dozen more. The
Latin letter "V" was according to the best reconstructions of linguists,
pronounced as the modern English "W"and the Latin letter "U" was
pronounced
as "oo" in modern English. More Latin words beginning with the Latin
letter
"V": Veni, vidi, vici, vinum, vena, velum, velox, verax, verbum, veto,
video, vigor, vivus, vix, vox, and hundreds more. More Latin words
beginning with the Latin letter "U": uva, uber, ubi, ulcero, Ulixes,
ultus, ulter, ultra, ululo, umbo, Umbri, umor, undeni, undique, unus,
urgeo,
usque, usucapio, utilis, utrum, and hundreds more.
What's your take on the idea that a "V" is actually an ancient
feminine symbol which ties back to the planet Venus and the stories
about it, many which include Venus as being related to fertility and
birth and rebirth? Surely "Vagina" comes from some reference to
Venus, don't you think?
Every Roman soldier carried a "vagina" . . . . go look up the etymology of
the word. In Latin, not English. Find anything sexual or feminine there?
Find a reference to any form of venus, venerus, or any other ven- root?
The two-part word "Venerial" which is used to describe sexually
transmitted diseases is tied to the name of the actual planet we now
call Venus from what I can tell. The Greeks called the same planet
"Aphrodite" and other cultures called it "Ashtoreth" and "Asherha"
and "Ishtar", from what I can tell. The ancient Jews, or whoever
lived in some supposed "promised land" worshipped the planet
Venus as the "Queen of Heaven" as can be seen in the following
verses:
Do you have access to an Oxford English Dictionary?
Jeremiah 44:17
"We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn
incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to
her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the
towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had
plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm."
What's this? People in Judah were worshipping a planet?
Oh dear, that can't be right. No way...
A few more thoughts...
If you flip the letter V upside down, there's no such letter in
English, but you can find it on the arms of some of the people who
are the "higher ups" in the military branches of the USA.
But "the letter V upside down" is the eleventh letter of the classical Greek
alphabet, isn't it?
The military organizations here in the US use V's and upside down
V's to decorate their military clothing. I think maybe the "v" in
Navy is supposed to be feminine since there's water in*v*olved, and
the "m" in Army is supposed to denote more masculine than feminine.
Just flip the V upside down and double it, eh?
Elroy, who is currently reading "The Da Vinci Code" and wondering
exactly what "Vinci" means. Does it also tie to Venus, since there's
a V involved?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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30 Dec 2003 08:48:38 AM |
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Didymos <me@privacy.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Do you have access to an Oxford English Dictionary?
Not at the moment. I was hoping Santa might give me one for
Christmas, but it didn't happen. Oh well...
Maybe it was because I asked for an actual book instead of the
CD that was the problem...
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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