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" \- Prof. Jonez©" |
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27 Jun 2005 03:23:52 AM |
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Re: *****! -- Jesus was white |
scholar wrote:
Curtis B. Negron wrote:
Any of you crackers ever considered the fact that Jesus was A) a
Jew, and B) as a lower-class Jew who could not get into any of the
hotels in town, it is likely that he was an African Jew.
Even if Jesus was not totally a black man, he was likely a
dark-skinned Jew. Most Jews were dark and had more African blood
2000 years ago before they were forced by the Arabs to flee into
Europe. The Jews have become much lighter skinned over the past
2000 years as a result of mixing with the light-skinned Europeans.
Jesus was a Negro Jew.
Jesus was the same race as today's Palestinian Christians and
Muslims...i.e. Semitic caucasians [Arabs descended from the Iraqi
Prophet, Ibrahim/"Abraham"].
Therefore, Jesus was a white man (though obviously not a European).
A good example as to who Jesus may have physically resembled is the
late Sheikh Yassin Ahmed (or at least, him in his younger years),
spiritual leader of the Palestinian Hamas movement. He was murdered by
Israeli Jews [these latter being non-Semites, mainly
Slav-Magyar-Mongol mixed-breeds from Eastern Europe].
There may be some traces of Hittite/Aryan [i.e. Afghan] blood, among
the Palestinian population, which would only further confirm that
Jesus was a white man.
Jesus Was Black, Not White.
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor
February 24, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - One day before it debuts in theaters, a black activist group is
protesting the Mel Gibson-written, directed and produced "The Passion of the
Christ" film, not because of the film's violent depiction of Jesus Christ's
final hours. Instead, they say the film is historically inaccurate because Jesus
is portrayed as a white man, not a black man.
"Strangely absent from the debate is one very basic inaccuracy which has been
long promoted in order to bolster white supremacy and maintain a revisionist
history that is beneficial to only people of European descent," said Malik Z.
Shabazz, national chairman of the New Black Panther Party in a statement
Tuesday.
"This purposely omitted fact is that Jesus was not a European white man. Jesus
Christ was a black man - a dark skinned Hebrew Israelite from Northern Africa
and even the only Biblical physical description confirms this (Rev. 13:20),"
said Shabazz in a statement..
Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelations only ends with verse 18. After CNSNews.com
contacted the New Black Panther Party to clarify the Bible verse they
referenced, Imam Akbar, national minister for the New Black Panther Party,
explained that the original reference was a typo on their original press
release.
Akbar instead, pointed to Revelations 1:14 and 1:15 as well as Daniel 10:6.
"His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes
were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned
in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." (Rev. 1:14 and 1:15)
"His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning,
and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to
polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude."
(Daniel 10:6)
"Not only does this film wrongfully depict Christ as white but all the disciples
and Israelites are people of European descent, which presents a historical and
physical impossibility," Shabazz added.
The New Black Panther Party and other black activists plan to stage protests
nationwide over the controversy. Not only does the group claim the movie is
"false," but also "harmful and racist."
The Anti-Defamation League recently expressed to Gibson its concern that the
film would drum up anti-Semetism. Shabazz said his group disagrees with the
ADL's claims that the film is "anti-semetic" and challenged the ADL to "deny the
historical accuracy of the Jews' attack on Christ."
But Shabazz says, the "true controversy" surrounding the film "lies in the
maligned history of African people through the world and the continual
inaccuracies presented in every Hollywood production to date of any Biblical
story from the 10 Commandments to the Christmas Story."
"These false images presented are 'anti-black' and these false images and
interpretations only seek to further the racist and white supremist idea that
God and Jesus Christ 'The Messiah' or 'Savior' is European and white," he added.
"This is clearly one more example of how black people in this country are
treated unfairly. Black/African history has and continues to be misrepresented,
black people worldwide are subjected to the psychologically abusive images of
white supremacy and have no collective voice to defend or promote a Black
agenda," Shabazz concluded.
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| User: "Grantland" |
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27 Jun 2005 08:09:50 AM |
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" \"- Prof. Jonez©\"" <jonez@norcom.ca> wrote:
"Strangely absent from the debate is one very basic inaccuracy which has been
long promoted in order to bolster white supremacy and maintain a revisionist
history that is beneficial to only people of European descent," said Malik Z.
Shabazz, national chairman of the New Black Panther Party in a statement
Tuesday.
another monkey with a 70 iq
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27 Jun 2005 03:55:28 PM |
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Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
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28 Jun 2005 03:37:09 AM |
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wrote:
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry.
Caucasian traits are *not* mainly about "skin colour". Rather bone
structure and physiognomy play a greater role in determining whether
someone is caucasian. An Aryan caucasian from Afghanistan, for example,
has a long sharp nose, and narrow face and is "long-headed" (ie.
dolichocephalic).
By contrast, a negro has a large, bony face, and the ratio of the
cranium to face is smaller. A negro's Jaw bones/facial bone kind of
juts forward(profile view). His nose is very flat.
Slavic persons (Russian, Serb) or Gaulic persons (Frenchmen), are
Europeans who seem to be half-way between the negro features
(flat-nose, fat head) and the Aryan (Afghan) *Caucasian* features
(narrow face and sharp/prominent nose). The Slavs and Gauls are mainly
'Brachycephalic' (broad-headed). They have relatively flatter/broader
noses, but their noses are not as flat or as broad as that of Africans.
Slobodan Milosevic is a prime example of a Slavic Serb.
Probably Jesus was somewhat brown,
If he resembled modern Palestinians, Lebanese or Iraqis, than he was
clearly a sharp-nosed Semitic white man (though obviously not an
albino, and obviously not a European). Jesus was descended from
Ibrahim/"Abraham" (of the Bible), so it is safe to say that Jesus was
descended from Iraqi Arabs, and was thus light-skinned like today's
Palestinians. He would also have had a very sharp, *slightly*-curved
nose like todays Palestinians and Iraqis.
as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
Jesus was of the same race as today's Palestinian Christians and
Muslims...i.e. Semitic caucasians [Arabs descended from the Iraqi
Prophet, Ibrahim/"Abraham"].
Therefore, Jesus was a white man (though obviously not a European).
A good example as to who Jesus may have physically resembled is the
late Sheikh Yassin Ahmed (or at least, him in his younger years),
spiritual leader of the Palestinian Hamas movement. He was murdered by
Israeli Jews [these latter being non-Semites, mainly Slav-Magyar-Mongol
mixed-breeds from Eastern Europe].
There may be some traces of Hittite/Aryan [i.e. Afghan] blood, among
the Palestinian population, which would only further confirm that Jesus
was a long-nosed, narrow-faced white man.
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| User: "scholar" |
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28 Jun 2005 03:31:03 AM |
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wrote:
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry.
Caucasian traits are *not* mainly about "skin colour". Rather bone
structure and physiognomy play a greater role in determining whether
someone is caucasian. An Aryan caucasian from Afghanistan, for example,
has a long sharp nose, and narrow face and is "long-headed" (ie.
dolichocephalic).
By contrast, a negro has a large, bony face, and the ratio of the
cranium to face is smaller. A negro's Jaw bones/facial bone kind of
juts forward(profile view). His nose is very flat.
Slavic persons (Russian, Serb) or Gaulic persons (Frenchmen), are
Europeans who seem to be half-way between the negro features
(flat-nose, fat head) and the Aryan (Afghan) *Caucasian* features
(narrow face and sharp/prominent nose). The Slavs and Gauls are mainly
'Brachycephalic' (broad-headed). They have relatively flatter/broader
noses, but their noses are not as flat or as broad as that of Africans.
Slobodan Milosevic is a prime example of a Slavic Serb.
Probably Jesus was somewhat brown,
If he resembled modern Palestinians, Lebanese or Iraqis, than he was
clearly a sharp-nosed Semitic white man (though obviously not an
albino, and obviously not a European). Jesus was descended from
Ibrahim/"Abraham" (of the Bible), so it is safe to say that Jesus was
descended from Iraqi Arabs, and was thus light-skinned like today's
Palestinians. He would also have had a very sharp, *slightly*-curved
nose like todays Palestinians and Iraqis.
as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
Jesus was the same race as today's Palestinian Christians and
Muslims...i.e. Semitic caucasians [Arabs descended from the Iraqi
Prophet, Ibrahim/"Abraham"].
Therefore, Jesus was a white man (though obviously not a European).
A good example as to who Jesus may have physically resembled is the
late Sheikh Yassin Ahmed (or at least, him in his younger years),
spiritual leader of the Palestinian Hamas movement. He was murdered by
Israeli Jews [these latter being non-Semites, mainly Slav-Magyar-Mongol
mixed-breeds from Eastern Europe].
There may be some traces of Hittite/Aryan [i.e. Afghan] blood, among
the Palestinian population, which would only further confirm that Jesus
was a long-nosed, narrow-faced white man.
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| User: "" |
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28 Jun 2005 10:34:36 AM |
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Jesus was the same race as today's Palestinian Christians and
Muslims...i.e. Semitic caucasians [Arabs descended from the Iraqi
Prophet, Ibrahim/"Abraham"].
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Today's Muslims represent almost every race on earth, certainly every
race in most of Asia and Africa and southern Europe, because of their
long history of conquest and expansion. The so-called Palestinian
Moslems include an enormous variety of racial typles, including some
with blonde hair and blue eyes, that they probably don't much resemble
first century Judeans.
The Palestinian Christians, however, being forbidden to have converted
out of Islam, were probably Christians throughout their history and
probably had little opportunity for inter-marriage, so they might be
more racially like Jesus and the Jews of the Apostolic Age.
Jesus, ostensibly descended from Abraham, was about fifteen centuries
removed from Abraham, with a lot of migration, conquest, defeat, exile,
etc., in between, so the Iraqi features of Abraham were probably
thoroughly diluted away by the time of Jesus.
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| User: "Bill" |
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27 Jun 2005 08:01:23 PM |
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It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
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28 Jun 2005 02:04:16 AM |
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Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
and someone who started this thread is RACIST and ignorant.
in Christ Jesus,
Christian
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| User: "Vivax" |
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28 Jun 2005 09:06:06 PM |
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And who says God is a he??
<christia@quik.com> wrote in message
news:tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com...
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
and someone who started this thread is RACIST and ignorant.
in Christ Jesus,
Christian
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30 Jun 2005 03:23:25 AM |
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Hello "Vivax" <rbc@wbc.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
And who says God is a he??
He does. In the Bible.
Sorry if you don't like the Bible.
in Christi Jesus,
Christian
<christia@quik.com> wrote in message
news:tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com...
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
and someone who started this thread is RACIST and ignorant.
in Christ Jesus,
Christian
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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30 Jun 2005 03:59:18 AM |
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wrote:
Vivax wrote:
And who says God is a he??
He does. In the Bible.
Oh, this would be the collection of fairy tales gathered in the
second century about things that happened a couple hundred years
earlier...and that is completely unsupported by contemporary
documentation or evidence? The one that shamelessly rips off the
mythologies of all the surrounding cultures?
Gotcha.
Next, I suppose you'll be citing Homer that there never was and
never will be a mortal woman as beautiful as Helen.
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
God can never prove that this sentence is true.
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| User: "" |
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02 Jul 2005 04:04:23 PM |
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Hello Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
christia@quik.com wrote:
Vivax wrote:
And who says God is a he??
He does. In the Bible.
Oh, this would be the collection of fairy tales gathered in the
second century about things that happened a couple hundred years
earlier...and that is completely unsupported by contemporary
documentation or evidence? The one that shamelessly rips off the
mythologies of all the surrounding cultures?
Gotcha.
So far, not yet, you haven't. So far you have only shown your own
ignorance.
Next, I suppose you'll be citing Homer that there never was and
never will be a mortal woman as beautiful as Helen.
Cheers,
b&
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29 Jun 2005 12:43:22 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:06:06 -0400, "Vivax" <rbc@wbc.net> wrote:
And who says God is a he??
God is a "".
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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28 Jun 2005 10:08:51 PM |
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Vivax wrote:
And who says God is a he??
The patriarchy who invented him as a way to control society,
especially women.
Like, duh!
Cheers,
b&
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God can never prove that this sentence is true.
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| User: "Susie Q" |
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28 Jun 2005 02:31:13 AM |
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On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
Susie
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28 Jun 2005 11:46:19 AM |
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Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo. Then you will see
all of the places where Jesus equated Himself with God, where Paul
referred to Him as God, etc.
And next time you try walking on water, be certain to wear your
floatation device and carry a whistle. . .
in Christ Jesus,
Christian
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28 Jun 2005 12:19:47 PM |
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"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
Susie
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29 Jun 2005 11:41:19 AM |
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Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
Christian
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29 Jun 2005 12:13:02 PM |
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"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
If you don't recognize the paraphrased words of Jesus above, then you
don't know the Bible at all.
Are you honestly saying that you don't remember Jesus saying "The
Kingndom of Heaven is within you."?
If so, then you are not qualified to discuss the New Testament with anyone.
There are THOUSANDS of denominations of Christianity around
the world. Almost every one of them was founded by people
that know, or knew, the Bible better than you and I put together.
They formed new denominations because they disagreed with the Scriptural
interpretations of others in critical areas. If they hadn't, there would
have been no point at all in forming a new denomination.
Yes, people can read the Bible and come to different conclusions than
you have.
Susie
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30 Jun 2005 03:22:29 AM |
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Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
If you don't recognize the paraphrased words of Jesus above, then you
don't know the Bible at all.
YOUR paraphrase is YOUR paraphrase. It is the "all that He has done
and _more_, we will do" is the part I referred to as not being there.
THAT paraphrase is nonsense. We will NEVER die for the sins of the
world, will NEVER be nailed to a cross literally (at least I don't
Plan to). . .
Are you honestly saying that you don't remember Jesus saying "The
Kingndom of Heaven is within you."?
Perhaps you would make more sense, if you quoted chapter and verse.
Of course I remember Jesus saying that (although he never said he
would have a "kingNdom. . ."
Pardon me, but I do teach school somewhat regularly. I did so today.
And yesterday. And last week, and will do so tomorrow. . .
If so, then you are not qualified to discuss the New Testament with anyone.
It is not I who claimed we will do all that Jesus did. It is you. My
qualifications are just fine.
How many times have YOU read the Bible from Genesis 1 through the end
of Revelation??? Hmmmm?
How much of it have you read in more than one language?
How many verbs have you parsed lately? Hmmm?
No Susie, my qualifications are just fine. The main one is that I
have had Jesus as my Lord and Savior for over 31 years now.
And you???? What are YOUR "qualifications?"
There are THOUSANDS of denominations of Christianity around
the world. Almost every one of them was founded by people
that know, or knew, the Bible better than you and I put together.
Not necessarily so. You are just working on ASSUMPTIONS, first about
them, second about me.
They formed new denominations because they disagreed with the Scriptural
interpretations of others in critical areas. If they hadn't, there would
have been no point at all in forming a new denomination.
Many new congregations start from geographical differences, cultural
differences (pentecostals like to hoot and hollar, Lutherans don't),
and differences in other minor things (what color should the carpet
be?)
Yes, people can read the Bible and come to different conclusions than
you have.
Susie
Absolutely true, but the Bible was not meant to mean different things
to different people. When Paul wrote to Timothy he had only ONE
meaning for each sentence, ONE THING he was trying to tell Timothy.
He did not write in such a way that you should believe it to be one
thing, I should believe it to be something different, and the pope
should believe it to be still something else.
And when there are three different "interpretations," AT LEAST two of
them are wrong, maybe three.
So people can be WRONG in their interpretations. That is why we must
be so careful to stick to what the text says.
It does NOT say that Jesus was white, blue, green, or black. It says
He was a JEW, a HEBREW. They are normally about halfway between white
and black, may be lighter or darker, and are usually shorter than most
Americans are today. But it doesn't matter because. . .
Gal 3:26-29
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as
many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There
is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is
neither male nor female ; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And
if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise.
NKJV
So who (except for white supremecist wackos) cares what color Jesus
was? Again, He is God. He died for our sins, was raised on the third
day, and was seen (1 Corinthians 15:1ff).
So who but idiots care what color He was?
in the Name of Jesus,
Christian
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30 Jun 2005 05:21:34 AM |
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"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
If you don't recognize the paraphrased words of Jesus above, then you
don't know the Bible at all.
YOUR paraphrase is YOUR paraphrase. It is the "all that He has done
and _more_, we will do" is the part I referred to as not being there.
John 14:12
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
Susie
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02 Jul 2005 04:03:29 PM |
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Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
"christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in <tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, "christia@quik.com" wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
If you don't recognize the paraphrased words of Jesus above, then you
don't know the Bible at all.
YOUR paraphrase is YOUR paraphrase. It is the "all that He has done
and _more_, we will do" is the part I referred to as not being there.
John 14:12
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
Susie
John 14:9-14
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have
not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how
can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Do you not believe that I am in
the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do
not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does
the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in
Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
12 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works
that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do,
because I go to My Father.
13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father
may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I
will do it.
NKJV
And you try to rip things out of context by paraphrasing them.
So far I would guess that you have not been nailed to a cross, died,
or been resurrected. No sins have been forgiven anyone because of
your sacrifice on a cross. And you are not God.
Christian
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| User: " \- Prof. Jonez©" |
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02 Jul 2005 04:15:50 AM |
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wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
" " wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
" " wrote:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in
<tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>,
" " wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more
than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate
of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of
ex-con ex-spokesman
for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good
that Jesus, being a
Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel
Gibson or Brad
Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel
Washington or even Halle
Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat brown, as most
modern Egyptians or
Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half
way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to
have has He isn't
in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually.
Not within Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in
another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo.
You know full well that I have read the Bible. No one who
hasn't could
have posted what I did.
If you are going to begin this post with a blatantly
dishonest remark, an ad hominem attack, actually, I am not
interested in discussing anything further with you.
Have a nice day.
In other words, you have no SCRIPTURE that says what you said it
says,
and you have to quit.
Oh well. It figures.
If you don't recognize the paraphrased words of Jesus above, then
you
don't know the Bible at all.
YOUR paraphrase is YOUR paraphrase. It is the "all that He has done
and _more_, we will do" is the part I referred to as not being there.
THAT paraphrase is nonsense. We will NEVER die for the sins of the
world, will NEVER be nailed to a cross literally (at least I don't
Plan to). . .
Are you honestly saying that you don't remember Jesus saying "The
Kingndom of Heaven is within you."?
Perhaps you would make more sense, if you quoted chapter and verse.
Of course I remember Jesus saying that (although he never said he
would have a "kingNdom. . ."
Pardon me, but I do teach school somewhat regularly. I did so today.
And yesterday. And last week, and will do so tomorrow. . .
If so, then you are not qualified to discuss the New Testament with
anyone.
It is not I who claimed we will do all that Jesus did. It is you. My
qualifications are just fine.
How many times have YOU read the Bible from Genesis 1 through the end
of Revelation??? Hmmmm?
How much of it have you read in more than one language?
How many verbs have you parsed lately? Hmmm?
No Susie, my qualifications are just fine. The main one is that I
have had Jesus as my Lord and Savior for over 31 years now.
And you???? What are YOUR "qualifications?"
There are THOUSANDS of denominations of Christianity around
the world. Almost every one of them was founded by people
that know, or knew, the Bible better than you and I put together.
Not necessarily so. You are just working on ASSUMPTIONS, first about
them, second about me.
They formed new denominations because they disagreed with the
Scriptural
interpretations of others in critical areas. If they hadn't, there
would
have been no point at all in forming a new denomination.
Many new congregations start from geographical differences, cultural
differences (pentecostals like to hoot and hollar, Lutherans don't),
and differences in other minor things (what color should the carpet
be?)
Yes, people can read the Bible and come to different conclusions
than
you have.
Susie
Absolutely true, but the Bible was not meant to mean different things
to different people. When Paul wrote to Timothy he had only ONE
meaning for each sentence, ONE THING he was trying to tell Timothy.
He did not write in such a way that you should believe it to be one
thing, I should believe it to be something different, and the pope
should believe it to be still something else.
When, exactly, did Paul write these? In what language, like exactly?
And when there are three different "interpretations," AT LEAST two of
them are wrong, maybe three.
So people can be WRONG in their interpretations. That is why we must
be so careful to stick to what the text says.
It does NOT say that Jesus was white, blue, green, or black. It says
He was a JEW, a HEBREW. They are normally about halfway between white
and black, may be lighter or darker, and are usually shorter than most
Americans are today. But it doesn't matter because. . .
Gal 3:26-29
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as
many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There
is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is
neither male nor female ; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And
if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise.
NKJV
So who (except for white supremecist wackos) cares what color Jesus
was? Again, He is God.
I though you xtians claimed Jaaayzus was "the son" of gaaawd. So which is it,
god itself or the son of god?
He died for our sins,
I have no sins.
was raised on the third
day,
Why ... if he were actually "god" as you claim?
and was seen (1 Corinthians 15:1ff).
By whom, exactly?
So who but idiots care what color He was?
So who but idiots care that he was?
in the Name of Jesus,
Isn't the name of jesus, jesus?
Christian
But Jesus was a JEW, the son of god was JEWISH, and
never once claimed to, or suggested, breaking that faith
and starting some perverted iconical different religion
that worshiped his dead corpse nailed to a stick.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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29 Jun 2005 12:22:22 AM |
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Many churches have a statute of a black Jesus.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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29 Jun 2005 02:37:27 AM |
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wrote in
news:u0e2c15fodckmh2klquqqq8re5uatm89if@4ax.com:
Hello Susie Q <someone@somewhere.invalid>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
On alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, in
<tub1c1d13v57iihfqal50m20rd1apgqhq9@4ax.com>, " "
wrote:
Hello "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
<sussmanbern@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119887728.012570.23660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Malik Shabazz (real name: Paris Lewis) is a graduate of Howard
University Law School and a long-term associate of ex-con
ex-spokesman for Farrakhan, Khallid Mohammed.
All things considered, the odds are very very good that Jesus,
being a Judean of the first century, was not as white as Mel
Gibson or Brad Pitt, but definitely not as black as Denzel
Washington or even Halle Berry. Probably Jesus was somewhat
brown, as most modern Egyptians or Lebanese.
I agree. If there were EVER a race that is eXACTLY half way between
white and black, it would be Hebrew, Jewish.
Besides what does it matter. He is God.
No. He is reported to have said that in one Gospel and to have has He
isn't in another. They cancel each other out.
So we move on: He didn't say that the kingdom of heaven was
within Him, He said it was within _us_. Individually.
He said the kingdom of God was within _us_. Individually. Not within
Him.
He said that all that He has done, and _more_, we will do.
"He is reported to have said that in one Gospel" and not in another.
Perhaps you should actually READ the Bible, kiddo. Then you will see
all of the places where Jesus equated Himself with God, where Paul
referred to Him as God, etc.
Why do I care what a delusional terrorist said about someone he never
met, loon?
--
Republican Health Plan: Don't Get Sick
Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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27 Jun 2005 10:13:16 PM |
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It is not at all certain the Jesus was anything more than a myth!
No, but that doesn't keep people from discussing his skin color!?@#!
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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| User: "Sayid Abu Khamr al-Murtad Abdul-Khinzeer al-Mushrik" |
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27 Jun 2005 04:29:29 PM |
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"- Prof. Jonez=A9" wrote:
Jesus Was Black, Not White.
I think, by far, the best contribution to this thread was Anonmoos'
succinct post:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.islam/msg/8beff5dbea823062
Nonetheless, I wanted to add a bit more.
"This purposely omitted fact is that Jesus was not a European
white man. Jesus Christ was a black man - a dark skinned Hebrew
Israelite from Northern Africa and even the only Biblical
physical description confirms this (Rev. 13:20),"
said Shabazz in a statement..
Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelations only ends with verse 18.
I found this rather funny.
Imam Akbar, national minister for the New Black Panther Party,
explained that the original reference was a typo on their
original press release.
Akbar instead, pointed to Revelations 1:14 and 1:15 as well as
Daniel 10:6.
Revelations 1:14-15 does not seem to be a tremendously helpful document
in telling us about the morphology of the historical Jesus, and besides
the text itself does not explicitly describe him in a way that would
make one conclude necessarily that he was "black" (which I assume means
in possession of somethign analogous to popular central or south
African physical characteristics). As for Daniel 10:6, it is only a
statement of Christian faith that would hold that to be a description
of Jesus.
So it seems that these individuals are not dealing with history; rather
they are simply trying to make an appeal to a faith-based
interpretation of the King James Bible. By the way, I am not making any
positive assertions with regard to what the historical Jesus looked
like. I'm just noting the flaws in the approach above.
"Not only does this film wrongfully depict Christ as white but
all the disciples and Israelites are people of European descent,
which presents a historical and physical impossibility," Shabazz
added.
Well, the disciples certainly weren't from Europe, but I don't consider
the "looks" offered in the film were physically impossible. Had Gibson
cast only Palestinian or Egyptian actors, some of the same looks could
have come up.
SIDENOTE: These problems should not be surprising, as Malik Shabazz has
a tendency to exaggerate and use explosive language. I once saw him on
television equate the gentrification of Harlem with an attempt at
removing the African American population (he said it was not "urban
renewal," but rather "Negro removal" [his words]). Indeed,
gentrification destroys communities (I have watched the Latino
community in the Lower East Side be destroyed by the forces of
gentrification), but it is absurd to say that such forces are
deliberately motivated by racism. The tide of gentrification in New
York city is about money (i.e. the landlords would gladly give an
apartment to a wealthy African American willing to pay $2500 a month
over a broke white person any day), not race. But Shabazz doesn't think
about this when using such divisive language.
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27 Jun 2005 09:48:09 AM |
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Jesus was a blond suoremacist white, with long locks of hair hanging
down.
leo
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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27 Jun 2005 11:39:30 PM |
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"leo" <leo@leopoldoperdomo.com> wrote in news:1119865689.507202.211030
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jesus was a blond suoremacist white, with long locks of hair hanging
down.
leo
Yeah. He even spoke English with a Texas accent.
Klazmon.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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27 Jun 2005 11:13:04 AM |
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leo wrote:
Jesus was a blond suoremacist white, with long locks of hair hanging
down.
leo
Nah. If Jesus had existed, he'd be a Palestinian hippy. :-)
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| User: "Jon°" |
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27 Jun 2005 11:29:46 AM |
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1. Fatty Arbuckle was a Hottentot.
2. Errol Flyn was an Eskimo with a yellow skin.
3. Henry 8th was the result of a royal union with a Jap.
4. Jack the Ripper was a gypsy.
5. Napoleon was a gay Southern Sarawakian
6. Nelson was a grey Plutonian.
7. Elizabeth 1st was circumcised.
8. Attila the Hun had piles.
9. Hitler was a merciful Jew
10. Henry Ford said that history is bunk.
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