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On Feb 3, 3:13 am, small tortoiseshell <_cl...@operamail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:47 pm,
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On Feb 2, 11:29 pm, small tortoiseshell <_cl...@operamail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 11:16 am,
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On Feb 2, 7:59 pm, small tortoiseshell <_cl...@operamail.com> wrote:
On Feb 3, 9:03 am,
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To put it in more technical terms, Robert experienced chaya, which is
a fairly deep level of soul, deeper than that attained by Moses.
If that case, we have a lot of Moses's walking about today.
just last year I was witnessing the creation
when outlining one of my ' experiences' to Hindu
outside a temple in South India.
Sweet food for the ego, but really, nothing.
But
any true follower of Jesus has experienced the yechidah level of soul,
because that is the level of realization of Jesus Himself, as the
Jewish Messiah.
There is only one Messiah, not severals, so there are none that has
achieved
Jesus realization but Jesus. And it wasnt even achieved, as he is god
incarnate,
and god has always been god, so if you want to see several Jesuses at
the same time,
the nut houses are the best place to find them unfortunately...
Yechidah is far beyond the corporeal character of
standing there with your hands extended, acting as a channel of life
force energy.
According to this classification system which you apparantly are
using,
it seems so,
"
Nefesh can be translated Soul.
Ruach is Spirit.
Neshamah is again Soul or Breath, Hashem's Breath.
Chayah is Living Essence.
Yechidah is Unique Essence or Unity."
Yechidah is spirit, and the nature of G-D is spirit.
One cannot begin to really understand the Kingdom of God, which was
the essential teaching of Jesus, without awakening at the level of
Yechidah.
Dec 20, 4:40 am:
"the central concept in new Hasidism ( from hasidim or pious ones)
has to do with the idea that IHVH is present in all things & that
meditation
on the theological proposition
" There is no place empty of him,' , is all that is necessary to
dispel sadness
& fear."
All good.
P
Well, you are using the old Jewish system of soul attributes.
Its the first system I found browsing using your words are reference.
If you are using
a different system, it would help if you explained your terms before
using them as something that ought to be general knowledge,
because it isnt.
Ruah is
spirit is the sense of the spirit of holiness, Ruah Hakodesh, which is
quite different than the Holy Spirit. I thought that was your point.
Then all is well I guess.
You are quite wrong about Jesus being so unique. He would shudder at
your assertion,
Or maybe shudder at your assertion of being him.
for He would not for one moment see Himself as better
than anyone else, or lower than anyone else, including JHVH.
I have not implied that either by saying he is unique. Far from,
that is your assertion again and not mine. You have a knack for it
it seems...
Same as
Buddha in this respect.
That Jesus took upon himself the sins of mankind and cleansed
us from it in one sacrificial act thereby making the kingdom of heaven
available to anybody
with faith in him, is what makes him unique,
but that that is so does by no means imply that I think he puts
himself above
or sees himself better then anyone else as a consequence of this, on
the contrary.
. Hello.
Only a false G-D would claim to be G-D "over"
anyone, for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.
Yes. And "No one comes to the Father except through Me"
(John 14:6).
The true G-D
does not need your adulation.
I am not speaking to god now but one of his sheepwolfs.
He is not a borderline personality.
I believe you.
He
knows who He is, without your adulation.
Yes, but quite a few that is not him, doesnt know who he is,
and in such cases, adulations ( i had to look the word up)
might work even if i dont agree that i have adulated him
to excess in anyway so far. Perhaps even more adulation
would have been proper. He is beyond compare and no praise
could ever tell of all his glory anyhow, so i dont see
the problem really.
He broke his body and gave
us each a piece, so that we might become like Him. We must be born
again as the Christ child, so that we might become like Him.
Yes.
If we do
not become like Him, then the seed of his teaching has fallen on
barren rock, indeed.
Yes.
All good,
P.
Well, all is not good. You have called me a sheepwolf, and you still
do not see my point.
Hmmm. I cant remember who I called a sheepwolf but I dotting dont
think
it was you. But to your point,
The greater the being, the greater the
humility.
How is your humility doing?
The truly great do not want to be put on a pedestal, and
they certainly don't want to Lord it over anyone. They do want us to
worship them, as Lord and Master even, for the sake of merging with
them, but NOT for the purpose of parading them around as somebody
special and putting down others who you don't even know (such as me).
I havent put you down and I havent paraded Christ in order to do so
either.
What I have done is to disagree with you when you said that Robert had
had a spiritual experience going deeper then the one Moses had.
and some other stuff like Christ being a several and not gods only
begotten
son and such.
Jehoshua represents the principle of equality,
No. Jesus is gods unconditional love incarnated. Not a '
representation'
of some mute concept of equality. If anything, he IS equality.
which in Buddhism is
called equality wisdom.
Schocking.
He knows that He is no better or lesser than
any other being.
I dont think I have suggested otherwise either.
your toe must still be hurting.
Until you know that, you do not understand the first
thing about Him.
Its ok.
Peace on you too.
P.s. ( i take back the sheepwolf thing if it really upset you, even if
i cant rember calling you that. i thought it was robert or my
grandmother. )
Still All good.
over and out,
P.
This is really a very important point. When you first think about
God, there are two kinds of thoughts you can have. One, you think of
someone over everyone else, who is ARBITRARILY the one that is
different and better than everyone else. Then you might ask, "Why is
THIS person arbitrarily different than and better than every other
person?" If you are smart, you will come to the conclusion, "He
isn't, he is just lying in order to maintain an accidental superiority
that he found himself in just as you find yourself in an inferior
position."
The second kind of thought you can have about God is that He/She is
absolutely one with everyone else and could not possibly ever see
Himself/Herself as better than anyone else, because that would lead to
a paradox: He/She would then be better than Himself/Herself. This
God practices a special type of samadhi, where He/She is absolutely
one with all persons and beings and even with the entire creation.
This is called the Speck-of-Dust Samadhi.
This second type of God is really a very advanced being, whereas the
first type of God really isn't so advanced at all. He is what we call
a thunder God. He makes a lot of noise and special effects, but
doesn't understand some of the first principles of authentic
spirituality. He can be very abusive toward His subjects, and in fact
there is really no other way He can be. His subjects then imitate his
abusiveness and abuse other human beings. His subjects become
racists, thinking of themselves as arbitrarily superior to all other
human beings. This is a reflection of their conception of God, who is
arbitrarily superior to everyone.
I hope this draws a bright line between the false and the true, when
it comes to conceptions of G-D. We are not primitive men anymore, and
we should not be intimidated into thinking like primitive men.
We are never primitive in the present, only in the past. But we will be
in the future.
The only consistency is that we always believe that we are right.
We
have rights and we should stand firmly for all of our rights, both
civil and spiritual. That is the way toward spiritual advancement.
The other way is really unthinkable anymore, and those who think could
never accept it, nor should they.
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