Religions > Atheism > Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!
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26 Jul 2003 01:26:20 AM |
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Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
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Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
27 Jul 2003 12:18:52 AM |
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In article <jrl6iv0f85kp5596s6qq7qvmkgotlu3057@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720031909031793%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <1rk5iv80ogp5svhb9ot8vai3f643dtohml@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720031107132127%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <22g5iv06rjfc6mhrkq9h0edunjk6ltdqoe@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720031022139650%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <6m95iv00smk960g2jcp207lbr05p5adf2h@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
When one's final act on this earth is suicide there is no
forgiveness.
Really? You decide that?
There are many Christians who believe this, but I have no idea why.
It
is quite a hateful doctrine and shows a complete lack of
understanding
of mental illness and suicide.
A "hateful" doctrine? What's "hateful" about that?
As for understandings of mental illness and suicide, what is it that
you understand about that, exactly, that you're concerned is being
hated? And, if merely a "doctrine" about "forgiveness" is at issue
here, what's the point of worrying about whether a person is "forgiven"
or not (by what/whom?) after they have killed themselves?
It implies that someone who committed suicide is condemned, therefore
stating that mental state is irrelevant and that it is impossible for
someone who is committing suicide to repent after the effect of the
attempt is irreversible.
"Implies"? LOL. Do mere attempts count, or just successful ones?
Your concern, then, is that people are able to repent after having
killed themselves, and so then be forgiven somehow? Draft some
legislation, perhaps.
I'm referring to your teaching about suicide. No laws can change what
you teach. I just find your teachings to be repugnant. Your teachings
state something that is not taught in the Bible and contrary to
Christian doctrine.
Those aren't my teachings. Try again.
If you don't believe it, why did you make the claim?
What claim are you pretending I made?
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
27 Jul 2003 12:12:24 PM |
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In article <p0q6ivobhmrasm7ascppjoh68srkcjslo3@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720032218526213%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <jrl6iv0f85kp5596s6qq7qvmkgotlu3057@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720031909031793%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <1rk5iv80ogp5svhb9ot8vai3f643dtohml@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote in
<260720031107132127%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <22g5iv06rjfc6mhrkq9h0edunjk6ltdqoe@4ax.com>, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
In alt.talk.creationism, Virtualoso <virtualoso@innocent.com> wrote
in
<260720031022139650%virtualoso@innocent.com>:
In article <6m95iv00smk960g2jcp207lbr05p5adf2h@4ax.com>, David
Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
When one's final act on this earth is suicide there is no
forgiveness.
Really? You decide that?
There are many Christians who believe this, but I have no idea
why.
It
is quite a hateful doctrine and shows a complete lack of
understanding
of mental illness and suicide.
A "hateful" doctrine? What's "hateful" about that?
As for understandings of mental illness and suicide, what is it that
you understand about that, exactly, that you're concerned is being
hated? And, if merely a "doctrine" about "forgiveness" is at issue
here, what's the point of worrying about whether a person is
"forgiven"
or not (by what/whom?) after they have killed themselves?
It implies that someone who committed suicide is condemned, therefore
stating that mental state is irrelevant and that it is impossible for
someone who is committing suicide to repent after the effect of the
attempt is irreversible.
"Implies"? LOL. Do mere attempts count, or just successful ones?
Your concern, then, is that people are able to repent after having
killed themselves, and so then be forgiven somehow? Draft some
legislation, perhaps.
I'm referring to your teaching about suicide. No laws can change what
you teach. I just find your teachings to be repugnant. Your teachings
state something that is not taught in the Bible and contrary to
Christian doctrine.
Those aren't my teachings. Try again.
If you don't believe it, why did you make the claim?
What claim are you pretending I made?
I was under the impression that you were defending the claim that "When
one's final act on this earth is suicide there is no forgiveness."
Have you tried reading what I actually did write, without presuming
such impressions of such "motive"?
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| User: "Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 08:51:46 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote
in message <b0pUa.1326$1m.1283@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
--
in the history of the world,
no one has ever been interested in complaints
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Read the Official atj FAQ here:
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 09:17:16 AM |
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"Jesus" <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote
in message <b0pUa.1326$1m.1283@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
Where did that off the wall comment come from?
Are you having problems following the discussion? Nothing
was said about Hitler making it into Heaven. Do you know
of anyone who believes he made it into heaven. I don't!
Ron
--
in the history of the world,
no one has ever been interested in complaints
*******************************
Read the Official atj FAQ here:
http://atjfaq.shorturl.com
*******************************
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| User: "Joe User" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 09:31:43 AM |
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"Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Jesus" <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote
in message <b0pUa.1326$1m.1283@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
Where did that off the wall comment come from?
Are you having problems following the discussion? Nothing
was said about Hitler making it into Heaven. Do you know
of anyone who believes he made it into heaven. I don't!
Ron
Hitler is hand in hand with Jesus. Even though Hitler didn't like like
Jewish gay black people like Jesus, but they are friends in death now. How
sweet.
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 10:11:39 PM |
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"Joe User" <jiffypc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Jesus" <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote
in message <b0pUa.1326$1m.1283@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
Where did that off the wall comment come from?
Are you having problems following the discussion? Nothing
was said about Hitler making it into Heaven. Do you know
of anyone who believes he made it into heaven. I don't!
Ron
Hitler is hand in hand with Jesus. Even though Hitler didn't like like
Jewish gay black people like Jesus, but they are friends in death now. How
sweet.
Because you are a lover of gay black people does that make you gay?
Your hero, Hitler is probably was gay which I suppose makes you
happy.
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 06:24:39 PM |
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"Joe User" <jiffypc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Jesus" <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote
in message <b0pUa.1326$1m.1283@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
Where did that off the wall comment come from?
Are you having problems following the discussion? Nothing
was said about Hitler making it into Heaven. Do you know
of anyone who believes he made it into heaven. I don't!
Ron
Hitler is hand in hand with Jesus. Even though Hitler didn't like like
Jewish gay black people like Jesus, but they are friends in death now. How
sweet.
Oh, so you believe Hitler is in Heaven. Why do you pay such high
honor to a man most of the world considers the ultimate of
evil. He wasn't even of European Royality, yet you would pay him
the highest honor anyone can attain!
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| User: "Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
27 Jul 2003 12:20:32 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:06:24 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote
in message <vdHUa.3729$jI6.847@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>:
Who said Hitler was in Heaven? I am only saying that Hitler and Jesus are
holding hands in love for all eternity.
Jesus is in Heaven, but your hero will not make it!
actually I'm in Cape Town and Hitler is not my hero. if he had won the war
and killed _all_ the Jews, then he would have been my hero.
but he fucked up.
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no one has ever been interested in complaints
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| User: "Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: * Public information: Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian! |
26 Jul 2003 08:32:51 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:17:16 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net> wrote
in message <rYvUa.2626$jI6.111@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>:
"Jesus" <jesus@heaven.universe> wrote in message
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:26:20 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
"yjk" <yjkooo@msn.com> wrote in message
Yjk---:
I am just responding to the subject
(Re: Adolf Hitler was a Christian!)
which I see frequently.
There is no such thing as 'WAS' Christian.
There is only 'IS' Christian.
We can claim whatever but that is not necessarily TRUE.
We need appoval from GOD through Jesus.
Hitler's mother had him baptized into Christianity as an
child, but he did _not_ die a Christian. He took his
own life, a very un-Christian act.
otherwise he would have made it to Heaven, huh Ronald?
Where did that off the wall comment come from?
Are you having problems following the discussion? Nothing
was said about Hitler making it into Heaven. Do you know
of anyone who believes he made it into heaven. I don't!
rOnAlD dEaN the jEnIuS.
--
in the history of the world,
no one has ever been interested in complaints
*******************************
Read the Official atj FAQ here:
http://atjfaq.shorturl.com
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