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20 May 2005 11:11:53 AM |
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Re: @ THE BEST WAY TO DISCERN THE END TIMES @ |
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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No He did not tell the apostles that it would happen in their generation.
You are misinterpreting that scripture. You need to look at that scripture
in the context of the verses before and after it. Don't pull it out of
context and misinterpret it.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
## The stars will FALL? How can something in space FALL? Where will it
fall to???? You must realize they had no idea how large or exactly what
stars were in those days.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
## That sounds like someone's drug or alcohol induced DREAM. A sign in
heaven? Where exactly is HEAVEN?
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven
to the other.
## The *END* of heaven? Heaven has ends? How large is it?
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is
near, even at the doors.
34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
## The Jehovah's Witnesses claim the earth will no pass away but be
magically renewed....
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven,
but my Father only.
From the context of the whole arguement, It is the generation that is
going
to see those signs in verses 29-31 that is going to see the return of
Jesus.
That is what the parable of the fig tree is about. Just as when you see it
put out leaves you know that Summer is near, so also when those signs
happen
you will know that the second coming of Jesus is near. And it is that
generation that shall see those signs that is the generation that will be
alive when He returns. Those signs did not happen yet.
That is the proper interpretation of that verse Matt. 24:34.
## According to YOU!
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Cabbage..
More Biblical babble:
PR 26:4 Do not answer a fool. To do so
makes you foolish too.
But then...
PR 26:5 Answer a fool. If you don't he will
think himself wise.
Talk about contradictions.
<> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~><>
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20 May 2005 04:16:31 PM |
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:428d8850_1@news1.uncensored-news.com...
No He did not tell the apostles that it would happen in their generation.
You are misinterpreting that scripture. You need to look at that
scripture
in the context of the verses before and after it. Don't pull it out of
context and misinterpret it.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
## The stars will FALL? How can something in space FALL? Where will it
fall to???? You must realize they had no idea how large or exactly what
stars were in those days.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of
man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
## That sounds like someone's drug or alcohol induced DREAM. A sign in
heaven? Where exactly is HEAVEN?
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven
to the other.
## The *END* of heaven? Heaven has ends? How large is it?
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender,
and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is
near, even at the doors.
34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
## The Jehovah's Witnesses claim the earth will no pass away but be
magically renewed....
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of
heaven,
but my Father only.
From the context of the whole arguement, It is the generation that is
going
to see those signs in verses 29-31 that is going to see the return of
Jesus.
That is what the parable of the fig tree is about. Just as when you see
it
put out leaves you know that Summer is near, so also when those signs
happen
you will know that the second coming of Jesus is near. And it is that
generation that shall see those signs that is the generation that will be
alive when He returns.
Those signs did not happen yet.
That is the proper interpretation of that verse Matt. 24:34.
Then understand this Its all happing RIGHT NOW !
WATCH !
The estate of God proclaim and bring knowladge of the scope and direction of
what lies ahead of you. To stimulate and draw enthusiasm towards The Love of
God.
It is the means by which God is bringing together all of his children, under
one house. God loves us all each and every one. Not by one faith but by all
faiths becoming one undited under the house of God which is Love.
You need to ask yourself do I see continued dereliction."
"If you cannot see the dereliction around you in the world today then surely
you are the blind."
The task ahead will take on many forms depending upon the skills of the
Church members. Based on faith alone "You will do thease things and more."
Its as always been that given the opportunity for self direction, working
together as one with God through Jesus Christ. You will not only able to
meet your own needs but are more than able to meet the needs of your
brothers and sisters who are also children of God.
I call upon my Church to build on the sharing and supporting role taking
real steps to achieving Gods plan for all and to also be a marker for those
who have no direction toward Christ.
"What you do unto the lowlest you do unto me"
Iam witness to the disadvantaged children, the poor wandering souls the
evils of war and destitution. Gods Love is being focused on the whole of
creation RIGHT NOW ! The ***** is lost. Its grip on the oppressed people of
God is quickly comeing to end.
The Caring you are NOW feeling, is an artefact of Eden and a bridge in time
eternal createing links from history to the creation of a new and living
future under the rule of a Loving God. RIGHT NOW.
Rebellion and frustration will lead to the wide gate. But the reverse is
also true. By enabling your faith in God you enable him in you through Jesus
Christ. Otherwise you are a damaged and wasted vessel. You can discover
yourself, and your role within the kingdom of God and be able to create new
wine out of waste that was.
One master.It is for this reason that restoration of Eden is proclaimed an
essential part of the creation of a new begining. Bringing opportunities for
the people of God to work together.
Thy Kingdom come !
Thy Will be done !
God WILL meet your physical, cultural and spiritual needs. This principle is
allready permeating every aspect of this new reality.
This earth, this once eden is becoming his promise! to his children.
RIGHT NOW !
The gardens are being revived, and the glass houses repaired, the orchards
improved and new vine planted. The regeneration of his garden needs urgent
remedial work indeed.
I implore you to LOVE through the blessing of Jesus Christ.
BoD ! © 2005
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20 May 2005 04:27:40 PM |
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Where do these people learn to read and understand what they
read? For the most part, the writers of the gospels and the NT
in general were dealing with current events, not predictions of
what would happen 2000 or even 3000 years down the road. And
what makes you think that it is our time they speak of if,
indeed, these are future predicates? Why so bent on bending the
written word to what you think is already happening. Jesus
himself said that no one can predict when the end will come; it
is a waiting game, for Christians especially, a time to cultivate
their faith and understanding of the truth, not cultivate the
Edenic mushrooms these dispensational idiots munch on. The
Rapture is a symbol, and just a symbol, it's not real and current
in time or history. Get over it. If you want to cultivate
gardens, grow tulips or roses. Better still, everyone can eat
coleslaw, cultivate cabbage.
--
==============================
Paul J. Chiasson
http://chefpaul.stsams.org/
chefpaul@chefpaul.stsams.org
paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca
==============================
"BoD ! © 2005" <Binky@the-srinkshouse.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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No He did not tell the apostles that it would happen in their
generation.
You are misinterpreting that scripture. You need to look at
that scripture
in the context of the verses before and after it. Don't pull
it out of
context and misinterpret it.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the
sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the
stars shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
## The stars will FALL? How can something in space FALL?
Where will it
fall to???? You must realize they had no idea how large or
exactly what
stars were in those days.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in
heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
## That sounds like someone's drug or alcohol induced DREAM.
A sign in
heaven? Where exactly is HEAVEN?
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a
trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one
end of
heaven
to the other.
## The *END* of heaven? Heaven has ends? How large is it?
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is
yet tender, and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know
that it is
near, even at the doors.
34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till
all these
things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not
pass away.
## The Jehovah's Witnesses claim the earth will no pass away
but be
magically renewed....
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven,
but my Father only.
From the context of the whole arguement, It is the generation
that is
going
to see those signs in verses 29-31 that is going to see the
return of
Jesus.
That is what the parable of the fig tree is about. Just as
when you see it
put out leaves you know that Summer is near, so also when
those signs
happen
you will know that the second coming of Jesus is near. And it
is that
generation that shall see those signs that is the generation
that will be
alive when He returns.
Those signs did not happen yet.
That is the proper interpretation of that verse Matt. 24:34.
Then understand this Its all happing RIGHT NOW !
WATCH !
The estate of God proclaim and bring knowladge of the scope and
direction of what lies ahead of you. To stimulate and draw
enthusiasm towards The Love of God.
It is the means by which God is bringing together all of his
children, under one house. God loves us all each and every one.
Not by one faith but by all faiths becoming one undited under
the house of God which is Love.
You need to ask yourself do I see continued dereliction."
"If you cannot see the dereliction around you in the world
today then surely you are the blind."
The task ahead will take on many forms depending upon the
skills of the Church members. Based on faith alone "You will do
thease things and more." Its as always been that given the
opportunity for self direction, working together as one with
God through Jesus Christ. You will not only able to meet your
own needs but are more than able to meet the needs of your
brothers and sisters who are also children of God.
I call upon my Church to build on the sharing and supporting
role taking real steps to achieving Gods plan for all and to
also be a marker for those who have no direction toward Christ.
"What you do unto the lowlest you do unto me"
Iam witness to the disadvantaged children, the poor wandering
souls the evils of war and destitution. Gods Love is being
focused on the whole of creation RIGHT NOW ! The ***** is lost.
Its grip on the oppressed people of God is quickly comeing to
end.
The Caring you are NOW feeling, is an artefact of Eden and a
bridge in time eternal createing links from history to the
creation of a new and living future under the rule of a Loving
God. RIGHT NOW.
Rebellion and frustration will lead to the wide gate. But the
reverse is also true. By enabling your faith in God you enable
him in you through Jesus Christ. Otherwise you are a damaged
and wasted vessel. You can discover yourself, and your role
within the kingdom of God and be able to create new wine out of
waste that was.
One master.It is for this reason that restoration of Eden is
proclaimed an essential part of the creation of a new begining.
Bringing opportunities for the people of God to work together.
Thy Kingdom come !
Thy Will be done !
God WILL meet your physical, cultural and spiritual needs. This
principle is allready permeating every aspect of this new
reality.
This earth, this once eden is becoming his promise! to his
children.
RIGHT NOW !
The gardens are being revived, and the glass houses repaired,
the orchards improved and new vine planted. The regeneration of
his garden needs urgent remedial work indeed.
I implore you to LOVE through the blessing of Jesus Christ.
BoD ! © 2005
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20 May 2005 07:05:42 PM |
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<paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:gDsje.33966$Ph4.601468@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
Where do these people learn to read and understand what they read? For
the most part, the writers of the gospels and the NT in general were
dealing with current events, not predictions of what would happen 2000 or
even 3000 years down the road.
Your ability or inability to decern the Word of God is between you and God.
There is this and that in all things equal. But only God in all things true.
That which is true becomes so as it is created. Thus the Word is the seed
of that creation.
As the Word is created then so must it be true.
The Word only becomes the truth.
When we all see the truth in it.
And what makes you think that it is our time they speak of if, indeed,
these are future predicates?
Sir Thease are not future dicates....
This is just how I feel RIGHT NOW doing...
You do know how to feel the will of God dont you?
Why so bent on bending the written word to what you think is already
happening. Jesus himself said that no one can predict when the end will
come;
Iam not.
Iam applying the word directly to RIGHT NOW.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS TIME HELD IN BALANCE.
"BE STILL AND KNOW GOD"
Iam sorry that I do not fit or comply to your doctrin and creed.
My brother, I offer only Love.
Fall with faith and love into the right hand of God through Jesus Christ and
be his will on earth.
For the glory of God
BoD ! © 2005
it is a waiting game, for Christians especially, a time to cultivate their
faith and understanding of the truth, not cultivate the Edenic mushrooms
these dispensational idiots munch on. The Rapture is a symbol, and just a
symbol, it's not real and current in time or history. Get over it. If
you want to cultivate gardens, grow tulips or roses. Better still,
everyone can eat coleslaw, cultivate cabbage.
--
==============================
Paul J. Chiasson
http://chefpaul.stsams.org/
chefpaul@chefpaul.stsams.org
paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca
==============================
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:428d8850_1@news1.uncensored-news.com...
No He did not tell the apostles that it would happen in their
generation.
You are misinterpreting that scripture. You need to look at that
scripture
in the context of the verses before and after it. Don't pull it out of
context and misinterpret it.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall
fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
## The stars will FALL? How can something in space FALL? Where will it
fall to???? You must realize they had no idea how large or exactly what
stars were in those days.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and
then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of
man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
## That sounds like someone's drug or alcohol induced DREAM. A sign in
heaven? Where exactly is HEAVEN?
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and
they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of
heaven
to the other.
## The *END* of heaven? Heaven has ends? How large is it?
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender,
and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is
near, even at the doors.
34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
## The Jehovah's Witnesses claim the earth will no pass away but be
magically renewed....
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of
heaven,
but my Father only.
From the context of the whole arguement, It is the generation that is
going
to see those signs in verses 29-31 that is going to see the return of
Jesus.
That is what the parable of the fig tree is about. Just as when you see
it
put out leaves you know that Summer is near, so also when those signs
happen
you will know that the second coming of Jesus is near. And it is that
generation that shall see those signs that is the generation that will
be
alive when He returns.
Those signs did not happen yet.
That is the proper interpretation of that verse Matt. 24:34.
Then understand this Its all happing RIGHT NOW !
WATCH !
The estate of God proclaim and bring knowladge of the scope and direction
of what lies ahead of you. To stimulate and draw enthusiasm towards The
Love of God.
It is the means by which God is bringing together all of his children,
under one house. God loves us all each and every one. Not by one faith
but by all faiths becoming one undited under the house of God which is
Love.
You need to ask yourself do I see continued dereliction."
"If you cannot see the dereliction around you in the world today then
surely you are the blind."
The task ahead will take on many forms depending upon the skills of the
Church members. Based on faith alone "You will do thease things and
more." Its as always been that given the opportunity for self direction,
working together as one with God through Jesus Christ. You will not only
able to meet your own needs but are more than able to meet the needs of
your brothers and sisters who are also children of God.
I call upon my Church to build on the sharing and supporting role taking
real steps to achieving Gods plan for all and to also be a marker for
those who have no direction toward Christ.
"What you do unto the lowlest you do unto me"
Iam witness to the disadvantaged children, the poor wandering souls the
evils of war and destitution. Gods Love is being focused on the whole of
creation RIGHT NOW ! The ***** is lost. Its grip on the oppressed people
of God is quickly comeing to end.
The Caring you are NOW feeling, is an artefact of Eden and a bridge in
time eternal createing links from history to the creation of a new and
living future under the rule of a Loving God. RIGHT NOW.
Rebellion and frustration will lead to the wide gate. But the reverse is
also true. By enabling your faith in God you enable him in you through
Jesus Christ. Otherwise you are a damaged and wasted vessel. You can
discover yourself, and your role within the kingdom of God and be able to
create new wine out of waste that was.
One master.It is for this reason that restoration of Eden is proclaimed
an essential part of the creation of a new begining. Bringing
opportunities for the people of God to work together.
Thy Kingdom come !
Thy Will be done !
God WILL meet your physical, cultural and spiritual needs. This principle
is allready permeating every aspect of this new reality.
This earth, this once eden is becoming his promise! to his children.
RIGHT NOW !
The gardens are being revived, and the glass houses repaired, the
orchards improved and new vine planted. The regeneration of his garden
needs urgent remedial work indeed.
I implore you to LOVE through the blessing of Jesus Christ.
BoD ! © 2005
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20 May 2005 09:56:48 PM |
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BoD ! © 2005 wrote:
<snp>
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My brother, I offer only Love.
Fall with faith and love into the right hand of God through Jesus
Christ and be his will on earth.
For the glory of God
and for the chance of being sued if you violate his copyright.
BoD ! © 2005
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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BoD ! © 2005 wrote:
<snp>
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My brother, I offer only Love.
Fall with faith and love into the right hand of God through Jesus
Christ and be his will on earth.
For the glory of God
and for the chance of being sued if you violate his copyright.
When the seed is created it is created true.
It becomes the truth only when you are aware of the truth in it.
If the seed is altered to suit the readers understanding.
Then not only does the seed become currupt but so does the reader.
Copyright is a dual edged sword. !
Its for your own protection. !
BoD ! © 2005
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21 May 2005 09:06:19 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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BoD ! © 2005 wrote:
<snp>
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My brother, I offer only Love.
Fall with faith and love into the right hand of God through Jesus
Christ and be his will on earth.
For the glory of God
and for the chance of being sued if you violate his copyright.
When the seed is created it is created true.
It becomes the truth only when you are aware of the truth in it.
If the seed is altered to suit the readers understanding.
Then not only does the seed become currupt but so does the reader.
Copyright is a dual edged sword. !
Its for your own protection. !
BoD ! © 2005
Wow
Your local supermarket must suffer from a severe tin foil shortage
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21 May 2005 02:22:45 AM |
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BoD ! © 2005 wrote:
<paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:gDsje.33966$Ph4.601468@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
Where do these people learn to read and understand what they read? For
the most part, the writers of the gospels and the NT in general were
dealing with current events, not predictions of what would happen 2000 or
even 3000 years down the road.
Your ability or inability to decern the Word of God is between you and
God.
The problem is, there is no god and Jesus prophecied he'd preside
over the end of the*************************************************
The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
William C. Barwell 3-16-05
*************************************************
Jesus prophecied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles" (Matthew 25:41)
This is what he means by come in his kingdom.
He will literally be "the King" of the world,
And will preside over judgment day itself.
(Matthew 25:31-34), (John 5:23, 5:27).
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
listeners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 9:1.
Matthew 24-5 is one long pericope. A narrative.
Here we are assured that this will happen in
"this generation", Matthew 24:36, see also Luke
21:32, and Mark 13:30.
This generation will see the sun and moon fail, the
stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus will descend with
his fathers angels and "clouds of heaven".
"This generation" is to see this. Again, Matthew 24,
Mark 13, Luke 21.
He tells the high priest at Jerusalem that he
too will see Jesus descend with "clouds of heaven"
the same phrase he tells us "this generation"
is to see in Matthew 24:36. See also Mark 14:62.
This phrase "clouds of heaven" of Matthew 26:64
and Mark 14:62 thus pins down the happenings of
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 to be seen in the
times of "this generation" as being seen by then
living high priest, and "Some standing here".
Not some generation 1930 years later.
The "high priest", "this generation", "Some standing
here" did not see these things happen as prophecied.
No religion has ever failed as spectacularly in its
'prophecies' as has Christianity.
This also puts an end to Revelations, all of that
too was to have taken place some 1930 years ago.
Christianity thus is incredibly irrelevant to anything,
having utterly failed in the main claim of Jesus,
when none of this happened as prophecied, by Jesus,
alledged god himself according to many trinitarian
Christians.
If Jesus, supposed son of god was so wrong on this,
his main claim, he isn't going to be right on anything
else. This is the most obvious failed 'prophet' and
the most failed religion of all time. And its finally
time to admit these facts.
(End)
world and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
It did not happen. Its simple to read thd bible and see so, but most people
are willfully stupid and simply refuse to understand.
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: @ THE BEST WAY TO DISCERN THE END TIMES @ |
21 May 2005 09:21:29 AM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:27:40 GMT,
<paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly:
Where do these people learn to read and understand what they
read? For the most part, the writers of the gospels and the NT
in general were dealing with current events, not predictions of
what would happen 2000 or even 3000 years down the road. And
what makes you think that it is our time they speak of if,
indeed, these are future predicates? Why so bent on bending the
written word to what you think is already happening. Jesus
himself said that no one can predict when the end will come; it
is a waiting game, for Christians especially, a time to cultivate
their faith and understanding of the truth, not cultivate the
Edenic mushrooms these dispensational idiots munch on.
Actually, Jesus did not say that no one knows. He said
that no one (except the Father) knows THE DAY, nor
THE HOUR. He did however, give a time frame.
"Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
The Rapture is a symbol, and just a symbol, it's not real and current
in time or history. Get over it. If you want to cultivate
gardens, grow tulips or roses. Better still, everyone can eat
coleslaw, cultivate cabbage.
The Rapture is a fairy tale.
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Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ THE BEST WAY TO DISCERN THE END TIMES @ |
21 May 2005 12:07:17 PM |
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And I still say that personal interpretation cannot be publically
discerned. I might find a few passages that allow me to smoke
marijuana, but I'm not going to go and "teach" that Jesus was a
crack head and cocaine and heroin are okay. No one has the right
to fully explain to me, except the Church, teaching the same
dogma that has always been believed about Christ. The Catholic
and Orthodox churches understand this. They prohibit public
interpretation by the laity, no matter what we might read in
private; I am not a bishop, therefore I have no right to teach
officially. No protestant minister is ordained to the proper
priesthood of the catholic faith, therefore anything they teach
is private matter only, no one is required to believe it, it is
not God's will, just one man's or woman's.
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Paul J. Chiasson
http://chefpaul.stsams.org/
chefpaul@chefpaul.stsams.org
paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
message news:1hgu819lcoctcs7smgdt2c93oo0egtvjqp@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:27:40 GMT,
<paul.chiasson@ns.sympatico.ca> spake thusly:
Where do these people learn to read and understand what they
read? For the most part, the writers of the gospels and the NT
in general were dealing with current events, not predictions of
what would happen 2000 or even 3000 years down the road. And
what makes you think that it is our time they speak of if,
indeed, these are future predicates? Why so bent on bending
the
written word to what you think is already happening. Jesus
himself said that no one can predict when the end will come; it
is a waiting game, for Christians especially, a time to
cultivate
their faith and understanding of the truth, not cultivate the
Edenic mushrooms these dispensational idiots munch on.
Actually, Jesus did not say that no one knows. He said
that no one (except the Father) knows THE DAY, nor
THE HOUR. He did however, give a time frame.
"Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
The Rapture is a symbol, and just a symbol, it's not real and
current
in time or history. Get over it. If you want to cultivate
gardens, grow tulips or roses. Better still, everyone can eat
coleslaw, cultivate cabbage.
The Rapture is a fairy tale.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: @ THE BEST WAY TO DISCERN THE END TIMES @ |
21 May 2005 08:22:43 PM |
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wrote:
And I still say that personal interpretation cannot be publically
discerned. I might find a few passages that allow me to smoke
marijuana, but I'm not going to go and "teach" that Jesus was a
crack head and cocaine and heroin are okay. No one has the right
to fully explain to me, except the Church, teaching the same
dogma that has always been believed about Christ. The Catholic
and Orthodox churches understand this. They prohibit public
interpretation by the laity, no matter what we might read in
private; I am not a bishop, therefore I have no right to teach
officially. No protestant minister is ordained to the proper
priesthood of the catholic faith, therefore anything they teach
is private matter only, no one is required to believe it, it is
not God's will, just one man's or woman's.
"Always believed" usually means believes what the current church tells you
is true.
None of it has always been believed.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: @ THE BEST WAY TO DISCERN THE END TIMES @ |
20 May 2005 03:58:09 PM |
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Cracklin' wrote:
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:428d8850_1@news1.uncensored-news.com...
No He did not tell the apostles that it would happen in their generation.
You are misinterpreting that scripture. You need to look at that
scripture in the context of the verses before and after it. Don't pull it
out of context and misinterpret it.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
## The stars will FALL? How can something in space FALL? Where will it
fall to???? You must realize they had no idea how large or exactly what
stars were in those days.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of
man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
## That sounds like someone's drug or alcohol induced DREAM. A sign in
heaven? Where exactly is HEAVEN?
Now, read Matthew 26:64 and Mark 14:62. Jesus tells the high priest
at his trial that this high priest will see him return with "clouds of
heaven".
Well, gee golly! If the high priest was to see that, then Matthew
24:36 et al cannot have meant 2000 years later.
Jesus told us he'd preside over the end of the earth (Matthew 24:3)
and judgment day itself (Matthew 16:27-8 and Matthew 25:30-45)
When? In the lifetime of "Some standing here", in the lifetime of
"this generation" in the lifetime of the high priest at Jerusalem.
Didn't happen. Yet the little dears still can't figure it out
even if you rub their little snouts in these verses.
So much for their beloved Revelations too.
Sorry witlesses, but it was over and done with 1930 years ago.
Another false prediction by a religous kook.
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: "Symptoms of the Apocalypse" |
21 May 2005 11:32:49 AM |
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Inspired in a moment of pure whimsy by the thread "@ THE BEST WAY TO
DISCERN THE END TIMES @", here are some signs that you might be living
in the "end times", at least if you're in the U.S.:
- In a lavish ceremony costing hundreds of millions of dollars and
broadcast around the world amid much fanfare, pomp and circumstance,
Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell are united in wedded bliss;
- O.J. confesses;
- Anne Coulter is diagnosed with morbid obesity;
- On the other hand, Rush Limbaugh comes forward with his trials and
tribulations as an anorexic;
- You find that Republicans have no earthly idea what you mean when
you make suggestive remarks about cigars and the Presidency;
- You notice liberals starting to put those highly visible "W"
stickers on their cars;
- You've been listening to the news for hours and not once has anyone
mentioned the word "gay";
- America has started producing superior cars;
- Kansas is ranked number one for its top-notch education system;
- Michael Jackson's voice finally changes;
....feel free to add your own, I'm sure you've got a couple... :-)
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| User: "MJSD" |
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| Title: Re: "Symptoms of the Apocalypse" |
21 May 2005 08:52:49 AM |
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Uncle Buck <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
news:kmnu8159kcnje9oqe1dminuk7kku03an96@4ax.com:
Inspired in a moment of pure whimsy by the thread "@ THE BEST WAY TO
DISCERN THE END TIMES @", here are some signs that you might be living
in the "end times", at least if you're in the U.S.:
Well, GW Bush is actually threatening to veto legislation passed by
Congress... that's certainly a sign of the End Times.
(Hopefully the End Times of the Bush Administration)
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