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19 Dec 2003 01:16:40 AM |
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Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>,
Gnow Naut <gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least
low lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to
the 12 Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's
attempt but am looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in
the Bible were not written by the people who's names they bare.
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 02:07:19 PM |
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wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>,
Gnow Naut <gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least
low lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to
the 12 Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's
attempt but am looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in
the Bible were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical.
Also, the twelve tribes of Israel had an astronomical content taken from
Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes, they
vary quite a bit between various accounts.
But the one and only thing agreed on was that there were 12 tribes.
Its also interesting to read Luke and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his
apostles and their names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve.
The number was what was important. Because you had to have an apostle
for each tribe. Of course Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme,
but still Jesus started with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology.
After all, one can there are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12.
If Babylonian astrologers had not chosen 12 signs (so they could
divide the skies into 12 equal portions), the numerology of the bible
would have been different and we'd have 13 tribes and 13 apostles
(whom nobody could name all of any more than they can name all 12 tribes
and apostles now).
--
Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Dr. Flonkenstein" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 03:10:56 PM |
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Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow Naut
<gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but am
looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the Bible
were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve tribes
of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes, they
vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one and only thing
agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also interesting to read Luke
and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his apostles and their names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was what was
important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe. Of course
Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus started
with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one can there
are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian astrologers had not
chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies into 12 equal portions),
the numerology of the bible would have been different and we'd have 13
tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could name all of any more than they
can name all 12 tribes and apostles now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
--
mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
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| User: "Terry Hatchett" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 04:35:14 PM |
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Dr. Flonkenstein wrote:
Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow Naut
<gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but am
looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the Bible
were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve tribes
of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes, they
vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one and only thing
agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also interesting to read Luke
and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his apostles and their names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was what was
important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe. Of course
Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus started
with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one can there
are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian astrologers had not
chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies into 12 equal portions),
the numerology of the bible would have been different and we'd have 13
tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could name all of any more than they
can name all 12 tribes and apostles now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
Now now, Dr. Flonk, Pope William has been an anti-kook force for many
years. He's on *your* side.
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| User: "Dr. Flonkenstein" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 08:11:05 PM |
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Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:35:14 -0800, Terry Hatchett
posted:
Dr. Flonkenstein wrote:
Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow Naut
<gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but
am looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the
Bible were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve tribes
of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes,
they vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one and only
thing agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also interesting to
read Luke and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his apostles and their
names. Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was
what was important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe.
Of course Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus
started with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one
can there are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian
astrologers had not chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies into
12 equal portions), the numerology of the bible would have been
different and we'd have 13 tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could
name all of any more than they can name all 12 tribes and apostles now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
Now now, Dr. Flonk, Pope William has been an anti-kook force for many
years. He's on *your* side.
***** happens, maybe his sarcasm flew above my head.
He can send me a nice formulated YHBT message and I'll behave accordingly.
May Fluffy forgive me.
--
mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 04:36:29 PM |
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Dr. Flonkenstein wrote:
Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow Naut
<gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but am
looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the Bible
were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve tribes
of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes,
they vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one and only
thing agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also interesting to
read Luke and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his apostles and their
names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was what was
important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe. Of course
Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus started
with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one can there
are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian astrologers had not
chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies into 12 equal portions),
the numerology of the bible would have been different and we'd have 13
tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could name all of any more than they
can name all 12 tribes and apostles now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
I pretty much feel most will not, exploring the inside of your snout with a
dirty forefinger outwaying all else in interest is about par for 98% of the
human race and those that don't quite measure up to being human.
I suspect the words "rat's *****" will have about 6% of you clowns
mildly stimulated for a few seconds.
--
Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Dr. Flonkenstein" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 08:07:42 PM |
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Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:36:29 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
Dr. Flonkenstein wrote:
Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow
Naut <gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but
am looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the
Bible were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve
tribes of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian
astronomy. Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the
12 tribes, they vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one
and only thing agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also
interesting to read Luke and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his
apostles and their names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was what
was important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe. Of
course Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus
started with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one
can there are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian
astrologers had not chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies
into 12 equal portions), the numerology of the bible would have been
different and we'd have 13 tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could
name all of any more than they can name all 12 tribes and apostles
now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
I pretty much feel most will not,
most of your fundamentalist religion believers????
please rise your flock to prove the contrary.
exploring the inside of your snout with
a dirty forefinger outwaying all else in interest is about par for 98% of
the human race and those that don't quite measure up to being human.
Just waving with wishfull thinking figures you have no controll about,
though you'd like in your delusional way of thinking.
I suspect the words "rat's *****" will have about 6% of you clowns mildly
stimulated for a few seconds.
Designating your opponents as clowns while making your followors stare at
numbers they don't even understand is a very kooky thing to do, Mr.
Knowall
--
mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: 12 Signs, 12 Apostles |
19 Dec 2003 09:40:07 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:10:56 +0100, "Dr. Flonkenstein"
<gregoriy_raspoutine_no_spam@hotmail.com> wrote:
Being tired of lurking, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:07:19 -0600, William
Barwell posted:
ellis@no.spam wrote:
In article <7fdbfe74.0312181555.1ec57672@posting.google.com>, Gnow Naut
<gnownaut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can any of you good folks point me to a non-lunatic (or at least low
lunatic) attempt to correspond the 12 signs of the zodiac to the 12
Apostles or the 12 Tribes? I already know about Agrippa's attempt but am
looking for others.
Don't you get it? The number 12 was made up. Those stories in the Bible
were not written by the people who's names they bare.
(Piggy backing)
Christianity stole a lot from other religions, including Mithraism.
Mithraism was a religion intensely astronomical. Also, the twelve tribes
of Israel had an astronomical content taken from Babylonian astronomy.
Note in the OT it is hard to actually create a list of the 12 tribes, they
vary quite a bit between various accounts. But the one and only thing
agreed on was that there were 12 tribes. Its also interesting to read Luke
and Matthew on the way Jesus obtained his apostles and their names.
Again, variations. But all agree, it was twelve. The number was what was
important. Because you had to have an apostle for each tribe. Of course
Judas's betrayal blew that neat little scheme, but still Jesus started
with 12 apostles. Its essentially numerology. After all, one can there
are really 13 zodiacal signs, not 12. If Babylonian astrologers had not
chosen 12 signs (so they could divide the skies into 12 equal portions),
the numerology of the bible would have been different and we'd have 13
tribes and 13 apostles (whom nobody could name all of any more than they
can name all 12 tribes and apostles now).
What made you suppose we care a rat's *****?
I for one do.
I resent the fact that you compare my ***** to that of a rat. It is
considerably wider! ;-)
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