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06 Aug 2005 09:26:51 PM |
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Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they should
surrender.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
06 Aug 2005 11:05:55 PM |
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Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for
war crimes
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| User: "GP GP@NoFagBoysAllowed" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
07 Aug 2005 06:44:23 AM |
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"ur_droll" <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> wrote in message
news:CMfJe.913$iM2.68856@news.xtra.co.nz...
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com>
wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full
month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
are you wanting to surrender kiwi?
Farmer's Divorce
A farmer walked into an attorney's office wanting to file for a divorce. The
attorney asked, "May I help you?"
The farmer said, "Yea, I want to get one of those dayvorces."
The attorney said, "Well do you have any grounds?"
The farmer said, "Yea, I got about 140 acres." The attorney said, "No, you
don't understand, do you have a case?"
The farmer said, "No, I don't have a Case, but I have a John Deere."
The attorney said, "No you don't understand, I mean do you have a grudge?"
The farmer said, "Yea I got a grudge, that's where I park my John Deere."
The attorney said, "No sir, I mean do you have a suit?"
The farmer said, "Yes sir, I got a suit. I wear it to church on Sundays."
The exasperated attorney said, "Well sir, does your wife beat you up or
anything?"
The farmer said, "No sir, we both get up about 4:30."
Finally, the attorney says, "Okay, let me put it this way. WHY DO YOU WANT A
DIVORCE?"
And the farmer says, "Well, I can never have a meaningful conversation with
her."
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
07 Aug 2005 09:57:05 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:05:55 +1200, ur_droll
<*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> wrote in message
<CMfJe.913$iM2.68856@news.xtra.co.nz>:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for
war crimes
perhaps. i'm sure the Emperor would have had no problem carving his stomach
open, like the Japanese Prime Minister did.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Tapio Erola" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
07 Aug 2005 02:57:11 PM |
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ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang, Operation Downfall (with estimated japanese civilian
casualties of 5-10 Megadeaths!) was avoided and regime change got
welcome continuity.
The man is now dead anyway, so let's focus on more important issues.
--
Tapio Erola
"There is no such thing as a good tax."
--Winston Churchill
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
07 Aug 2005 03:20:43 PM |
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"Tapio Erola" <txr@rak061.oulu.fi> wrote
ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang, Operation Downfall (with estimated japanese civilian
casualties of 5-10 Megadeaths!) was avoided and regime change got
welcome continuity.
The man is now dead anyway, so let's focus on more important issues.
If not for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, literally billions of dollars
in book, movie and newspaper sales would have been lost. Who would have
bought "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" or "Nuclear Soldiers" if the U.S.
had not bombed those Japanese cities? Who would have even heard of John
Hershey if he was not able to write "Hiroshima"? And when Chernobyl blew
sky high, if reporters had not been able to make startling claims about the
radiation exposure of the firemen at the reactor site being as high as if they
were standing next to the Hiroshima bomb as it was going off, what would
they have been able to compare it to? The media and entertainment industry
owes a lot to the United States for blowing up those two backwoods fishing
towns.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
09 Aug 2005 09:56:53 AM |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:20:43 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
<v2uJe.5636$EX.1142@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
"Tapio Erola" <txr@rak061.oulu.fi> wrote
ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang, Operation Downfall (with estimated japanese civilian
casualties of 5-10 Megadeaths!) was avoided and regime change got
welcome continuity.
The man is now dead anyway, so let's focus on more important issues.
If not for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, literally billions of dollars
in book, movie and newspaper sales would have been lost. Who would have
bought "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" or "Nuclear Soldiers" if the U.S.
had not bombed those Japanese cities? Who would have even heard of John
Hershey if he was not able to write "Hiroshima"? And when Chernobyl blew
sky high, if reporters had not been able to make startling claims about the
radiation exposure of the firemen at the reactor site being as high as if they
were standing next to the Hiroshima bomb as it was going off, what would
they have been able to compare it to? The media and entertainment industry
owes a lot to the United States for blowing up those two backwoods fishing
towns.
true, and right now books and movies about the nuclear devastation of
Rochester are not moving off shelves because it hasn't happened. yet.
y'all need to correct that.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
08 Aug 2005 02:03:24 AM |
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Tapio Erola wrote:
ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang,
pity they didn't hang honda, suzuki, kawasaki, yamaha and other
such warlords, as well.
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| User: "GP GP@NoFagBoysAllowed" |
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| Title: Re: 60th Anniversary Of Hiroshima |
12 Aug 2005 11:53:16 AM |
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"ur_droll" <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> wrote in message
news:2tDJe.1200$iM2.86436@news.xtra.co.nz...
Tapio Erola wrote:
ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com>
wrote
in message <di9af1t58calh472h3op4hrbu7ieub14m9@4ax.com>:
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full
month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of
accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang,
pity they didn't hang honda, suzuki, kawasaki, yamaha and other such
warlords, as well.
don't forget the kiwi's kiwi.
Jesus And The Redneck
An Irishman in a wheel chair entered a restaurant one afternoon and asked
the waitress for a cup of coffee. The Irishman looked across the restaurant
and asked, "Is that Jesus sitting over there?" The waitress nodded "yes," so
the Irishman told her to give Jesus a cup of coffee on him.
The next patron to come in was an Englishman with a hunched back. He
shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a
cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked,"Is that
Jesus over there?" The waitress nodded again, so the Englishman said to give
Jesus a cup of hot tea, too.
The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Redneck on crutches. He
hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, "Hey there sweet thang,how's
about gettin' me a cold glass of RC!" He too, looked across the restaurant
and asked, "Is that God's boy over there?" The waitress nodded again, so the
Redneck said to give Jesus a cold glass of RC, too.
As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Irishman, touched him and said,
"For your kindness, you are healed." The Irishman felt the strength come
back into his legs, got up and danced a jig out the door.
Jesus also passed by the Englishman, touched him and said, "For your
kindness, you are healed." The Englishman felt his back straightening up,and
he raised up his hands, praised the Lord and did a series of back flips out
the door.
Then Jesus walked towards the Redneck. The Redneck jumped up and yelled,
"Hey, man, don't touch me...... I'm drawin' disability!!!!!"
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| User: "Mel" |
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09 Aug 2005 10:26:13 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:03:24 +1200, ur_droll
<*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> wrote in message
<2tDJe.1200$iM2.86436@news.xtra.co.nz>:
Tapio Erola wrote:
ur_droll <*****.U@the.snotty.end.of.my.*****.stick.co> writes:
Mel wrote:
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:09:15 -0700, J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote
They were offered surrender terms long before each bomb {IIRC a full month
before the first} - just their arrogance prevented any hope of accepting
defeat unless it was on 'their' terms! E.G. They would not accept the
terminology "unconditional".
it was their religious worldview that stood squarely in their way of
accepting America's surrender terms.
they believed in "death before dishonour".
It was Emperor Hirohito who made the decision for Japan, that they
should
surrender.
and only after it was agreed that that he wouldn't be charged for war
crimes
Hirohito's involvement in the war was more than unclear and is debated
even today.
Be that as it may, The Emperor *was* the Japan those days (he was
considered literally divine and renunciation of this status was done
*after* the end of hostilities) and if he died, there would have been
no peace whatsoever. In fact, there was an attempted assasination
against him by death-before-surrender hardliners to force the
continuation of war which was only narrowly averted.
Letting him go was cheap in comparison. There was a nice enough
collection of Class-A war criminals (Tojo, Matsui, Kimura, Muto, etc.)
to hang,
pity they didn't hang honda, suzuki, kawasaki, yamaha and other
such warlords, as well.
you forget toyota.
i hate my car.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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