Religions > Atheism > Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __
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"_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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21 Jul 2007 12:59:45 PM |
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Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the motorcycle
is directly related to the proximity of the two, so the closer
they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely the cage
driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise is
better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to your
presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day; I'd
watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped because of a
red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a noise until the
cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze through ... but if
any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some more, blasting those
who had let him by. And once he was gone, that wasn't the end of it:
one could hear him for several blocks. Hundreds of cagers and
pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler is a
stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little button on the
left handle bar that I could push and the bike would make a loud beep
noise, I never felt the need to assert my existence to that *****
biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all crap. The
various pedophile priests would abuse their church authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the prayer rail
in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ into their quivering
virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain -- take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye burn in
hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun hhaaaaaaa ...
prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my child ... uuuuuunh
uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Then these pederast christian priests would withdraw from the backside
of these crying whimpering children and scurry outside where
they would ride away on motorcycles ... motorcycles with very quite exhaust
pipes.
Maybe these child-raping priests could have just used your "little button"
to relieve themselves of their pent-up perversions and not felt the need to
assert, or insert, their existence into the assholes of innocent children.
BTW, I run the highbeam with a headlight modulator and, as needed,
auxiliary headlights. I find it more effective and less annoying to
everyone around me.
Good thing then that in the U$A, where "freedom and democracy" reign,
other bikers get to choose what they find more effective, even if it is
more annoying in your opinion, eh?
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
or effective at anything except annoying the hell out of people.
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes Save
Lives doesn't change that reality.
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| User: "Seth Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
22 Jul 2007 08:04:31 PM |
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Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes Save
Lives doesn't change that reality.
Of all the stupidly shitheaded things you could have chosen to say, how did
you happen to pick that masterpiece?
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise. Are you
ready to see who can make the most noise to the delight of nearly all
onlookers?
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
23 Jul 2007 02:58:28 PM |
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Seth Hammond wrote:
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes
Save Lives doesn't change that reality.
Of all the stupidly shitheaded things you could have chosen to say,
how did you happen to pick that masterpiece?
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise.
Yep, yet quite irrelevant to the topic at hand - Loud Pipes Save Lives.
Are you ready to see who can make the most noise to the delight of nearly
all onlookers?
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
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| User: "Seth Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
23 Jul 2007 07:48:53 PM |
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"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
news:5gkfjmF3fohtvU1@mid.individual.net...
Seth Hammond wrote:
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes
Save Lives doesn't change that reality.
Of all the stupidly shitheaded things you could have chosen to say,
how did you happen to pick that masterpiece?
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise.
Yep, yet quite irrelevant to the topic at hand - Loud Pipes Save Lives.
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise.
Are you ready to see who can make the most noise to the delight of
nearly
all onlookers?
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Won't you answer the question?
Why?
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
23 Jul 2007 08:20:53 PM |
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Seth Hammond wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
Seth Hammond wrote:
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes
Save Lives doesn't change that reality.
Of all the stupidly shitheaded things you could have chosen to say,
how did you happen to pick that masterpiece?
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise.
Yep, yet quite irrelevant to the topic at hand - Loud Pipes Save
Lives.
12 gauge shotguns and .44 magnum revolvers make even more noise.
Are you going to fire them continuously 10 times per second, for every
second you are riding your motorcycle ?
Are you ready to see who can make the most noise to the delight of
nearly all onlookers?
You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you boy?
Won't you answer the question?
Why?
Why are you so violent? Did that head injury you suffered during
one of the FOUR (4) TIMES you've been hit by a car on your quiet bike
damage your brain?
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| User: "Bike Guy Joe" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
22 Jul 2007 07:03:39 AM |
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On Jul 21, 1:59 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the motorcycle
is directly related to the proximity of the two, so the closer
they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely the cage
driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise is
better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to your
presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day; I'd
watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped because of a
red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a noise until the
cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze through ... but if
any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some more, blasting those
who had let him by. And once he was gone, that wasn't the end of it:
one could hear him for several blocks. Hundreds of cagers and
pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler is a
stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little button on the
left handle bar that I could push and the bike would make a loud beep
noise, I never felt the need to assert my existence to that *****
biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all crap. The
various pedophile priests would abuse their church authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the prayer rail
in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ into their quivering
virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain -- take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye burn in
hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun hhaaaaaaa ...
prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my child ... uuuuuunh
uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Sounds like you had fun with them.....
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
21 Jul 2007 01:44:55 PM |
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On Jul 21, 1:59?pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the motorcycle
is directly related to the proximity of the two, so the closer
they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely the cage
driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise is
better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to your
presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day; I'd
watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped because of a
red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a noise until the
cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze through ... but if
any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some more, blasting those
who had let him by. And once he was gone, that wasn't the end of it:
one could hear him for several blocks. Hundreds of cagers and
pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler is a
stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little button on the
left handle bar that I could push and the bike would make a loud beep
noise, I never felt the need to assert my existence to that *****
biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all crap. The
various pedophile priests would abuse their church authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the prayer rail
in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ into their quivering
virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain -- take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye burn in
hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun hhaaaaaaa ...
prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my child ... uuuuuunh
uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Then these pederast christian priests would withdraw from the backside
of these crying whimpering children and scurry outside where
they would ride away on motorcycles ... motorcycles with very quite exhaust
pipes.
Maybe these child-raping priests could have just used your "little button"
to relieve themselves of their pent-up perversions and not felt the need to
assert, or insert, their existence into the assholes of innocent children.
BTW, I run the highbeam with a headlight modulator and, as needed,
auxiliary headlights. I find it more effective and less annoying to
everyone around me.
Good thing then that in the U$A, where "freedom and democracy" reign,
other bikers get to choose what they find more effective, even if it is
more annoying in your opinion, eh?
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
or effective at anything except annoying the hell out of people.
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes Save
Lives doesn't change that reality.- Hide quoted text -
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Loud pipes do save lives...been riding bikes since I was 14...am 54
now.
I ride em all trials, dirt, motocross, street.(I stink at trails and
motocross...so am not trying to lie.)
Leave the mufflers to the tuners and work within yourself to find the
peace
Dirt bikes provide much in the area of equilibrium, balance and speed
training. Also provide much physical exertion and when you ride em you
will feel it later.
Doing wheelies is also great training for an old dog like me. One
young neighbor lady ran out her house to chase me down the street to
scold me for doing wheelies in the street.
What is the other option that would please her...a rocking chair and
slippers?
No, I prefer to keep my rocking chair as my 450 Honda thumper that
breathes fire and emits thunder and will keep my motocross boots as my
slippers.
I hope to be doing wheelies down the street when I'm 80 if I live that
long.
....losing skills, fearful and in poor physical shape?
"Minds like bodies will often fall into a pimpled, ill condition state
from mere excess of comfort" ~ Charles Dickens
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "John Baker" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:14:27 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:59:45 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the motorcycle
is directly related to the proximity of the two, so the closer
they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely the cage
driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise is
better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to your
presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day; I'd
watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped because of a
red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a noise until the
cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze through ... but if
any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some more, blasting those
who had let him by. And once he was gone, that wasn't the end of it:
one could hear him for several blocks. Hundreds of cagers and
pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler is a
stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little button on the
left handle bar that I could push and the bike would make a loud beep
noise, I never felt the need to assert my existence to that *****
biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all crap. The
various pedophile priests would abuse their church authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the prayer rail
in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ into their quivering
virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain -- take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye burn in
hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun hhaaaaaaa ...
prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my child ... uuuuuunh
uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Then these pederast christian priests would withdraw from the backside
of these crying whimpering children and scurry outside where
they would ride away on motorcycles ... motorcycles with very quite exhaust
pipes.
Maybe these child-raping priests could have just used your "little button"
to relieve themselves of their pent-up perversions and not felt the need to
assert, or insert, their existence into the assholes of innocent children.
BTW, I run the highbeam with a headlight modulator and, as needed,
auxiliary headlights. I find it more effective and less annoying to
everyone around me.
Good thing then that in the U$A, where "freedom and democracy" reign,
other bikers get to choose what they find more effective, even if it is
more annoying in your opinion, eh?
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
or effective at anything except annoying the hell out of people.
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes Save
Lives doesn't change that reality.
In my town, loud pipes will get you a ticket. That's reality.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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21 Jul 2007 01:26:38 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:59:45 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the
motorcycle is directly related to the proximity of the two, so
the closer they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely
the cage driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise
is better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to
your presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day;
I'd watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped
because of a red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a
noise until the cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze
through ... but if any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some
more, blasting those who had let him by. And once he was gone, that
wasn't the end of it: one could hear him for several blocks.
Hundreds of cagers and pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler
is a stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little
button on the left handle bar that I could push and the bike would
make a loud beep noise, I never felt the need to assert my
existence to that ***** biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to
the church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive
enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all
crap. The various pedophile priests would abuse their church
authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the
prayer rail in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ
into their quivering virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting
chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain --
take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye
burn in hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun
hhaaaaaaa ... prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my
child ... uuuuuunh uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Then these pederast christian priests would withdraw from the
backside
of these crying whimpering children and scurry outside where
they would ride away on motorcycles ... motorcycles with very quite
exhaust pipes.
Maybe these child-raping priests could have just used your "little
button" to relieve themselves of their pent-up perversions and not
felt the need to assert, or insert, their existence into the
assholes of innocent children.
BTW, I run the highbeam with a headlight modulator and, as needed,
auxiliary headlights. I find it more effective and less annoying to
everyone around me.
Good thing then that in the U$A, where "freedom and democracy" reign,
other bikers get to choose what they find more effective, even if it
is
more annoying in your opinion, eh?
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
or effective at anything except annoying the hell out of people.
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes
Save Lives doesn't change that reality.
In my town, loud pipes will get you a ticket. That's reality.
Define "loud".
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| User: "Bike Guy Joe" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
22 Jul 2007 07:05:21 AM |
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On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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22 Jul 2007 02:12:12 PM |
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Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
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| User: "Bike Guy Joe" |
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23 Jul 2007 05:54:03 AM |
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On Jul 22, 3:12 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
Apperently, smarter than you. At least that's what yo' mamma said last
night while she was servicing me.
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| User: "Bike Guy Joe" |
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23 Jul 2007 05:57:57 AM |
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On Jul 23, 6:54 am, Bike Guy Joe <jetstarb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 3:12 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
Apperently, smarter than you. At least that's what yo' mamma said last
night while she was servicing me.
AND THERE SHE GOES......
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| User: "Reid Anderson" |
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22 Jul 2007 03:08:10 PM |
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
You can't even define what a "biker" is, you toothless, British poofter.
All YOU are, is just another dickmilk drinkin'loser, that's attempting
to take Jay Steven's roll of being the most retarded troll and prolific
usenet kook.
You and "Ultra man" are one in the same dress.
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| User: "Seth Hammond" |
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23 Jul 2007 11:24:18 AM |
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"Reid Anderson" <TheBadPlus@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
news:NPOoi.24$oO.21@newsfe12.lga...
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
You can't even define what a "biker" is, you toothless, British poofter.
All YOU are, is just another dickmilk drinkin'loser, that's attempting to
take Jay Steven's roll of being the most retarded troll and prolific
usenet kook.
You and "Ultra man" are one in the same dress.
"Loud Pipes Save Lives"
or
The Madness Behind the Myth
By Jeffry L'H. Tank
I had originally planed on continuing with the series I was doing on the
history of the motorcycle for this month's article until a neighbor of mine
came home last weekend with a brand new bike. Practically before he had
gotten off he informed me that one of the first things he was going to do
was get a set of louder pipes, as this would help to ensure his safety by
being heard from a greater distance. Safety??! Hogwash! Balderdash! Bull
cookies! Well that set me off, and I proceeded to make an attempt to
dissuade him from this (in my opinion) erroneous view that "Loud Pipes Save
Lives". I don't think I got very far in my first attempt, though, he seemed
pretty adamant in his view.
So I decided that perhaps the best approach would be to do some digging and
see what I could find in the way of supporting facts, both pro and con.
Perhaps I was wrong and they really do save lives, seemed doubtful, but I've
always considered myself as someone who is willing to keep an open mind
until the facts are in. In doing my research on the subject I found many
opinions but very little in the way of hard facts on the issue of "do loud
pipes save lives?" In the end I could not find a single "fact" that supports
the idea, but I did find a number of opinions to support it, opinions that
were, as far as I could see, weakly masqueraded as "facts". To be fair,
neither could I find any facts in support of the idea they don't. What I did
find was numerous reasons why (overly) loud pipes can be detrimental to
motorcycling as a whole. Here's a synopsis of what I found.
Supporters of the idea seemed to consist for the most part of folks that
either sold (loud) aftermarket pipes, or folks who road bikes with loud(er)
aftermarket pipes. Yet these same folks could not provide any hard facts to
back up their claim, the best they could come up with were rather vague
statements about how if they make lots of noise "(car drivers) are sure as
heck gonna hear me!" or claims that loud pipes give the other motorists
ample warning of the approaching biker as they cruise up from behind. These
statements seem to presuppose several assumptions that; 1) the other driver
is not only going to hear the biker, but take the time to identify their
actual location, 2) drivers in general rely on sound as much as vision to
locate and avoid obstacles (in this case the motorcyclist), 3) the other
driver gives enough of a damn about motorcyclists in the first place to do
(1) and (2) above, and 4) that sounds emanating from a motorcycle's exhaust
travel equally in all directions from the source. These seem, to me, to be a
rather risky set of suppositions with little, if any, basis in fact. It is
well documented that vision plays a much bigger role in operator safety than
sound. Think about the last time you heard a siren, were you able to
identify the location of the approaching vehicle by the sound alone or did
you not in fact have to wait to make visual contact with it before you could
precisely identify its location relative to you? Do proponents of loud pipes
really believe that other motorists are going to concentrate on locating the
approaching motorcycle and keep it in view till it is well past them and out
of harms way? Where is the evidence to support such a claim?
An article in the Concord Monitor (Sunday, October, 2002, by Sarah M. Earle)
quotes one mechanic at a local Concord bike shop as stating that the other
driver cut off 80% of his customers who had been involved in an accident.
Sounds reasonable and that is indeed what the Hurt report found in it's
study. Unfortunately he then goes on to state that this justifies his
customers modifying their exhaust (to something louder) to ensure that they
will be noticed in the future. He further states that changing out the
exhaust is done purely for safety reasons. I'm sorry, but I just don't
believe that, nor do I really believe he does either. That sounds too much
like an attempt to justify something that's done for entirely different
reasons, i.e. they just like the louder sound.
On the other hand The American Motorcyclist Association, The Hurt Report,
and many riders and bikers themselves seemed to be of the opposite opinion.
The AMA has gone so far as to make a policy statement on the issue which
reads " The [AMA] believes that few other factors contribute more to
misunderstanding and prejudice against the motorcycling community than
excessively noisy motorcycles". They then go on to say, "Shifting blame and
failing to adopt responsible policies on a voluntary basis can only result
in greater prejudice and discrimination against motorcycling. The
consequences of continuing to ignore this issue will likely result in
excessively rigorous state and federal standards, ..[and] abusive
enforcement of current laws and other solutions undesirable to riders and
the motorcycle industry"
What this shows is that there is a bigger issue at hand, namely, the noise
issue, and it's impact on all of us who ride. And sadly too, their
prediction has come true in many cases, I found several articles within just
the first hour of researching this issue, on jurisdictions that have enacted
noise related ordinances directed against motorcycles while other vehicles
remained less regulated. Several sources noted events from the last Sturgis
rally, an event noted for it's tolerance and even open acceptance of the
biker crowd. It seems the state and local authorities really cracked down on
violators, more so than in previous years and the biggest offence cited and
fined was for excessive exhaust noise. As one writer put it, it must have
been just like shooting fish in a barrel (for the police).
I have to wonder how many others, like myself, really enjoy hearing those
cars with the mega-bass audio systems turned up so loud that our stomachs
churn or the sound of trash trucks emptying the dumpster at 6 in the
morning? Noise pollution effects everyone. Saying "I'm just doing my thing"
just doesn't cut it, not when "doing your thing" violates others right to
peace and quiet, there is no right to make excessive noise! And what about
the image that excessively loud motorcycles project? When the actions of
others have a negative impact on my rights to enjoy motorcycling, that gets
my goat up and it should get yours up too.
According to the Hurt report is was determined that 77% of motorcycle
accident hazards come from in front of the rider, while only 3% approach
from the rear. What's interesting here is that motorcycle pipes direct the
vast majority of sound backwards where the least danger is, so for loud
pipes to be truly effective safety measures they would need to be pointed
forward where the greatest danger lies. That doesn't do much to support the
proposition that loud pipes are a safely factor. The other serious problem I
have with this supposition is that it is, at best, a secondary safety
measure, not a primary or proactive measure. Assuming that the other driver
will act with caution once you have identified your presence by the sound of
your bike roaring up from behind is foolhardy at best. That's like assuming
that if you were to wear a bright yellow safety vest, or full riding gear,
you can relax because now you're protected! Lets face it, the best
protection you have is that 3 pounds of grey matter between your ears, that
and a constant awareness of your surrounding, and acting on the supposition
that the rest of the motorists in the world are all idiots and its up to you
and you alone to ensure your safety on the road. Relying on the other guy to
act reasonably or safely just because you're making more noise than those
around you is just asking for trouble!
As Neal Stephenson puts it in 'Zodiac' (The words in brackets [ ] were added
by me.):
" First, a word on motorcycle safety:
If you've put yourself in a position where someone has to see [hear] you
in order for you to be safe -- to see [hear] you, and to give a f**k --
you've already blown it."
Interestingly enough too, I found that most motorcyclists with louder than
stock pipes, interviewed in the various articles I read on the subject
admitted that is was mostly a macho thing. They simply liked the sound of a
deep-throated exhaust note, it added to the pleasure of the machine for
them, very few made any mention of the "safety" issue. So it would seem the
true believers in the LPSL crowd are in the vast minority, it may make a
great tee shirt slogan, but is ability to hold water is about equal to that
of the tee shirt it's printed on.
Ok, so back to my neighbor and his desire for loud pipes for "safety"
reasons. If he wants louder pipes on his machine, more power to him, it's
his bike, and I firmly believe in the principal "It's your bike, do what you
want". As long as it's not an ear splitting, glass shattering roar, and he
doesn't fire it up at 3AM and blast me out of bed, fine, have fun with it.
He's young, it's his first bike and he's caught up in all that goes with
that first chrome and steel love affair. And No, I don't think there's
anything wrong with a nice set of well-tuned pipes, they can add that little
something extra to a machine and will undoubtedly catch the occasional eye
(or ear) as you go tooling down the roadway. But let's not kid ourselves
that its anything other than an ego thing, plain and simple. Just be honest
about it and quit trying to justify it.
Just do it within reason, remember the image you portray is a reflection on
all of us, like it or not, and really loud pipes probably do more damage
than good and annoying folks accomplishes nothing. Now you may be thinking I
have something personal against loud pipes, well let me disabuse you of that
notion right here and now. I too happen to like a nice throaty exhaust note
as evidenced by my little R600. Several years ago I put a 2-into-1 megaphone
style exhaust on her as part of the process of setting her up for running
the back roads and mountain passes. I love to "play" with the resonance it
produces zipping though the twisties, and I admit that I did it 90% just for
the way it enhances the machine's appearance and the way it sounds. The
reduced weight and extra cornering clearance is just an added bonus, but I
did it mostly for the sound, and looks, and I readily admit it. Its just
plain cool! What its not however is loud to the point of annoying my
neighbors or shattering glass, just a nice mellow note that sets it apart
from other old bikes.
Sure, it can also be done to increase horsepower, but for many that too is
probably just a "justification" and not the real reason. Modern bikes have
more than enough power as they come from the factory for almost any rider or
riding conditions, some even more than reasonably needed (but that's just my
opinion). Keep in mind, too, that they are designed to run with the specific
backpressure created by the stock exhaust. Changing anything with the motor
should only be done by someone who knows what they are doing, or you could
easily wind up with all sort of problems, such as less power and possible
overheating problems, to name a few, and that's not an opinion, that's just
plan fact. But as for the safety factor, forget it Mac, I ain't buying that.
If my neighbor (or anyone else) wants to talk safety features, I can think
of many, many ways that money could be better spent on serious, proven,
safely features.
So if you want loud(er) pipes, go ahead put them on, give 'em nice high
polish shine and give that throttle a twist and revel in the sound of that
deep, throaty rumble, just don't try to tell me you're doing it because
"Loud Pipes Save Lives" 'cause dude, now I know better!
© Jeffry L'H. Tank
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Seth Hammond wrote:
"Reid Anderson" <TheBadPlus@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Bike Guy Joe wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:26 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
Define "loud".-
The sound you make while flinging your *****.
You ain't the smartest biker in the pack, are you boy?
You can't even define what a "biker" is, you toothless, British
poofter. All YOU are, is just another dickmilk drinkin'loser, that's
attempting to take Jay Steven's roll of being the most retarded
troll and prolific usenet kook.
You and "Ultra man" are one in the same dress.
"Loud Sirens Save Lives"
or
The Ignorance Behind the Denial
By Reality Check
I had originally planed on continuing with the series I was doing on
the history of the emergency vehicle for this month's article until a
neighbor of mine came home last weekend with a brand new emergency vehicle.
Practically before he had gotten off he informed me that one of the
first things he was going to do was get a loud siren, as
this would help to ensure his safety by being heard from a greater
distance. Safety??! Hogwash! Balderdash! Bull cookies! Well that set
me off, and I proceeded to make an attempt to dissuade him from this
(in my opinion) erroneous view that "Loud Sirens Save Lives". I don't
think I got very far in my first attempt, though, he seemed pretty
adamant in his view.
So I decided that perhaps the best approach would be to do some
digging and see what I could find in the way of supporting facts,
both pro and con. Perhaps I was wrong and they really do save lives,
seemed doubtful, but I've always considered myself as someone who is
willing to keep an open mind until the facts are in. In doing my
research on the subject I found many opinions but very little in the
way of hard facts on the issue of "do loud sirens save lives?" In the
end I could not find a single "fact" that supports the idea, but I
did find a number of opinions to support it, opinions that were, as
far as I could see, weakly masqueraded as "facts". To be fair,
neither could I find any facts in support of the idea they don't.
What I did find was numerous reasons why (overly) loud sirens can be
detrimental to emergency vehicles as a whole. Here's a synopsis of what I
found.
Supporters of the idea seemed to consist for the most part of folks
that either sold (loud) aftermarket sirens, or folks who road<sic> vehicles
with loud(er) aftermarket sirens. Yet these same folks could not
provide any hard facts to back up their claim, the best they could
come up with were rather vague statements about how if they make lots
of noise "(car drivers) are sure as heck gonna hear me!" or claims
that loud sirens give the other motorists ample warning of the
approaching biker as they cruise up from behind. These statements
seem to presuppose several assumptions that; 1) the other driver is
not only going to hear the siren, but take the time to identify their
actual location, 2) drivers in general rely on sound as much as
vision to locate and avoid obstacles (in this case the emergency vehicle,
3) the other driver gives enough of a damn about emergency vehicles in the
first place to do (1) and (2) above, and 4) that sounds emanating
from a siren travel equally in all directions from the
source. These seem, to me, to be a rather risky set of suppositions
with little, if any, basis in fact. It is well documented that vision
plays a much bigger role in operator safety than sound. Think about
the last time you heard a loud pipe, were you able to identify the
location of the approaching vehicle by the sound alone or did you not
in fact have to wait to make visual contact with it before you could
precisely identify its location relative to you? Do proponents of
loud pipes really believe that other motorists are going to
concentrate on locating the approaching motorcycle and keep it in
view till it is well past them and out of harms way? Where is the
evidence to support such a claim?
An article in the Concord Monitor (Sunday, October, 2002, by Sarah M.
Earle) quotes one mechanic at a local Concord bike shop as stating
that the other driver cut off 80% of his customers who had been
involved in an accident.
Interesting unsupported annecdote. You sure it wasn't 79% ?
Sounds reasonable
To a moron who's trying to deny reality.
and that is indeed what
the Hurt report found in it's study. Unfortunately he then goes on to
state that this justifies his customers modifying their exhaust (to
something louder) to ensure that they will be noticed in the future.
He further states that changing out the exhaust is done purely for
safety reasons. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that, nor do I
really believe he does either. That sounds too much like an attempt
to justify something that's done for entirely different reasons, i.e.
they just like the louder sound.
Or the converse, you whining nannies just DON'T like the sound.
On the other hand The American Motorcyclist Association, The Hurt
Report, and many riders and bikers themselves seemed to be of the
opposite opinion. The AMA has gone so far as to make a policy
statement on the issue which reads " The [AMA] believes that few
other factors contribute more to misunderstanding and prejudice
against the motorcycling community than excessively noisy
motorcycles".
Yep, nannies are full of prejudice.
We knew that already.
They then go on to say, "Shifting blame and failing to
adopt responsible policies on a voluntary basis can only result in
greater prejudice and discrimination against motorcycling. The
consequences of continuing to ignore this issue will likely result in
excessively rigorous state and federal standards, ..[and] abusive
enforcement of current laws and other solutions undesirable to riders
and the motorcycle industry"
What this shows is that there is a bigger issue at hand, namely,
Whining nannies who simply don't like the sound of loud pipes.
the
noise issue, and it's impact on all of us who ride. And sadly too,
their prediction has come true in many cases, I found several
articles within just the first hour of researching this issue, on
jurisdictions that have enacted noise related ordinances directed
against motorcycles while other vehicles remained less regulated.
Several sources noted events from the last Sturgis rally, an event
noted for it's tolerance and even open acceptance of the biker crowd.
It seems the state and local authorities really cracked down on
violators, more so than in previous years and the biggest offence
cited and fined was for excessive exhaust noise. As one writer put
it, it must have been just like shooting fish in a barrel (for the
police).
I have to wonder how many others, like myself, really enjoy hearing
those cars with the mega-bass audio systems turned up so loud that
our stomachs churn or the sound of trash trucks emptying the dumpster
at 6 in the morning? Noise pollution effects everyone. Saying "I'm
just doing my thing" just doesn't cut it, not when "doing your thing"
violates others right to peace and quiet, there is no right to make
excessive noise! And what about the image that excessively loud
motorcycles project? When the actions of others have a negative
impact on my rights to enjoy motorcycling, that gets my goat up and
it should get yours up too.
Hey numbnuts, if you don't like Loud Pipes, then don't buy them.
Got it?
According to the Hurt report is was determined that 77% of motorcycle
accident hazards come from in front of the rider, while only 3%
approach from the rear. What's interesting here is that motorcycle
pipes direct the vast majority of sound backwards where the least
danger is, so for loud pipes to be truly effective safety measures
they would need to be pointed forward where the greatest danger lies.
Typical idiocy from a nanny. Even though most of the sound is
directed rearward, the LOUDER the pipes, the LOUDER the
portion of the soud that DOES radiate foreward.
Got it numbnuts?
That doesn't do much to support the proposition that loud pipes are a
safely factor.
Only if you're a moron who doesn't comprehend sound waves.
The other serious problem I have with this supposition
is that it is, at best, a secondary safety measure, not a primary or
proactive measure. Assuming that the other driver will act with
caution once you have identified your presence by the sound of your
bike roaring up from behind is foolhardy at best.
Denying that a driver who is aware of the presence of a motorcycle
via the Loud Pipes isn't at least more cautious than one who
has no fucking clue that some near-silent motorcycle is in their
vicinity is just pig-ignorant.
That's like
assuming that if you were to wear a bright yellow safety vest,
Which is of course why Road Contruction Workers never wear
bright-colored safety vests eh? Oh wait, even though they wear
safety vests, have bright colored construction cones, have bright
signage miles before the contruction area, and sometimes even
have flashing lights, some of then still get run-over and killed by
stupid cage drivers. So therefore, using the nanny logic,
there is no need for Safety Vests, Cones, Signs or Flashing Lights,
because sometimes they don't work ... ROTFLMAO!
Just how fucking stupid are you nannies anyway?
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21 Jul 2007 03:01:23 PM |
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
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21 Jul 2007 03:54:15 PM |
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GeorgePorter wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
And where exactly is that the definition of "loud" ?
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21 Jul 2007 04:01:04 PM |
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¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
GeorgePorter wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
And where exactly is that the definition of "loud" ?
Same place as yer Uncle's *****... in yer mouth, you off topic, cross
posting, cross dressing, British, liberal poofter.
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21 Jul 2007 05:01:34 PM |
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GeorgePorter wrote:
¥ UltraMan ¥ wrote:
GeorgePorter wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
And where exactly is that the definition of "loud" ?
Same place as yer Uncle's *****... in yer mouth, you off topic, cross
posting, cross dressing, British, liberal poofter.
Sorry Georgie-boy, yer wrong, do try again.
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21 Jul 2007 07:24:39 PM |
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In article <oDtoi.169$fY4.119@newsfe12.lga>,
GeorgePorter <TheMeters@Bass.gov.> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting,
That's enough reason for asking him to *****.
liberal, UK *****.
Not one of these is sufficient reason.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml
It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.
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23 Jul 2007 10:33:08 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:01:23 -0400, GeorgePorter <TheMeters@Bass.gov.> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
That was loud! :-)
Ben
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24 Jul 2007 03:52:58 PM |
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Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:01:23 -0400, GeorgePorter
<TheMeters@Bass.gov.> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Define "loud".
*****, you off topic, cross posting, liberal, UK *****.
That was loud! :-)
But did it save any lives ?
Ben
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23 Jul 2007 10:31:38 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:14:27 -0400, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:59:45 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
jj wrote:
[...] And the danger that a cage driver presents to the motorcycle
is directly related to the proximity of the two, so the closer
they are, and the louder the noise, the more likely the cage
driver will hear it.
Cage sound system,
Not everyone has it blasting their brains out like you.
air-conditioning,
In the winter?
modern sound proofing, and the fact that bike's exhaust bellow is
much quieter in front of the bike...
Only relative to the rear of the bike. Loudness can and does alert
many drivers to the presense of a motorcycle they may have not been
aware of.
the bike and car would have to be already too close together
to help. Yer so wrong I'd propose a blind experiment IRL with you
as the rider. Call it functional Darwinism.
Your conclusion is as faulty as your premise. Louder vehicle noise is
better than less/no vehicle noise in alerting other drivers to your
presence.
Why do you think that Cops, Firetrucks and Ambulances use LOUD
sirens, eh numbnuts?
I recall a motorcyclist who would ride through downtown every day; I'd
watch him from my office window. When traffic was stopped because of a
red light, he'd revv his engine and make a hell of a noise until the
cars ahead of him parted enough to let him squeeze through ... but if
any cars ahead didn't let him by, he'd revv some more, blasting those
who had let him by. And once he was gone, that wasn't the end of it:
one could hear him for several blocks. Hundreds of cagers and
pedestrians were alerted to his presence.
I commuted through the same traffic on my motorcycle. The muffler is a
stock modern BMW, so it's quiet. Since I had this little button on the
left handle bar that I could push and the bike would make a loud beep
noise, I never felt the need to assert my existence to that *****
biker's extent.
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday by their ignorant parents who were naive enough
to actually believe such bronze-age superstitious idiocy, or who were
too afraid to confess to their neighbors that they knew it was all crap. The
various pedophile priests would abuse their church authority and the fear
of divine punishment to get these young children bent over the prayer rail
in the rectory <pun intended> and ram the ***** of Christ into their quivering
virgin glory-holes, all the while chanting chapter and verse from the
Holey Baable, as the little boys whimpered and squirmed in pain -- take
the ***** of Christ my child, take it in absolute secrecy lest ye burn in
hell for all eternity for your sins ...huuuu huuuuuuuuun hhaaaaaaa ...
prepare to receive the seeds and love of Christ now my child ... uuuuuunh
uuuuuuuuunh uuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaa.
Then these pederast christian priests would withdraw from the backside
of these crying whimpering children and scurry outside where
they would ride away on motorcycles ... motorcycles with very quite exhaust
pipes.
Maybe these child-raping priests could have just used your "little button"
to relieve themselves of their pent-up perversions and not felt the need to
assert, or insert, their existence into the assholes of innocent children.
BTW, I run the highbeam with a headlight modulator and, as needed,
auxiliary headlights. I find it more effective and less annoying to
everyone around me.
Good thing then that in the U$A, where "freedom and democracy" reign,
other bikers get to choose what they find more effective, even if it is
more annoying in your opinion, eh?
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
or effective at anything except annoying the hell out of people.
Well, your continued denial of the irrefutable fact that Loud Pipes Save
Lives doesn't change that reality.
In my town, loud pipes will get you a ticket. That's reality.
Some folks are so fed up with noisy MCs that they are proposing laws that ban
any modification to the exhaust, and I believe that Denver, CO already has one
on the books.
Ben
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21 Jul 2007 10:42:31 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> bloodied
us up with this:
I do not agree that loud pipes are necessary
Funnything, motorcycles aren't necessary either.
You've obviously never driven the 405 around LAX.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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21 Jul 2007 05:49:33 PM |
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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip good stuff from the wolf...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can you
stick to the subject?
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
21 Jul 2007 07:23:03 PM |
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In article <13a53btrg9c9i2a@news.supernews.com>,
jj <stop.right.there.net> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip good stuff from the wolf...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to the
church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can you
stick to the subject?
No, he cannot. He has consistently shown that his motivation for every
post is to insult the person he's talking to. Once in a while he
actually says something that's true and on topic, but his posts contain
so much noise they're not worth the read, even for the occasional
entertainment value.
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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml
It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
21 Jul 2007 07:43:51 PM |
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Timberwoof wrote:
jj <stop.right.there.net> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip good stuff from the wolf...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to
the church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can you
stick to the subject?
No, he cannot. He has consistently shown that his motivation for every
post is to insult the person he's talking to. Once in a while he
actually says something that's true and on topic, but his posts
contain so much noise they're not worth the read, even for the
occasional entertainment value.
Yet you continue to read, and reply to them, eh numbnuts?
Now tell us again why Cops and Firetrucks should abandon
their LOUD sirens.
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| User: "Timberwoof" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
21 Jul 2007 08:34:31 PM |
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In article <5gfninF3fv2icU1@mid.individual.net>,
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
jj <stop.right.there.net> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip good stuff from the wolf...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged to
the church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can you
stick to the subject?
No, he cannot. He has consistently shown that his motivation for every
post is to insult the person he's talking to. Once in a while he
actually says something that's true and on topic, but his posts
contain so much noise they're not worth the read, even for the
occasional entertainment value.
Yet you continue to read, and reply to them, eh numbnuts?
Q. E. D.
Now tell us again why Cops and Firetrucks should abandon
their LOUD sirens.
Hey, *****-for-brains, I'm not the one who advocated that.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>
faq: http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq.shtml
It's easy to say a war is so important your neighbor should go fight it for you.
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| User: "_ Prof. Jonez _" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
21 Jul 2007 08:56:23 PM |
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Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
jj <stop.right.there.net> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip wolf poop ...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged
to the church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can
you stick to the subject?
No, he cannot. He has consistently shown that his motivation for
every post is to insult the person he's talking to. Once in a while
he actually says something that's true and on topic, but his posts
contain so much noise they're not worth the read, even for the
occasional entertainment value.
Yet you continue to read, and reply to them, eh numbnuts?
Q. E. D.
Ibid.
Now tell us again why Cops and Firetrucks should abandon
their LOUD sirens.
Hey, *****-for-brains, I'm not the one who advocated that.
So you agree that Loud Pipes Save Lives.
Glad you finally came around to reality.
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| User: "Seth Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: __ Loud Pipes Save Lives <= unless you're a Motorcycle Cop __ |
23 Jul 2007 10:46:00 AM |
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"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote in message
news:5gfrqnF3fc0bbU1@mid.individual.net...
Timberwoof wrote:
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
jj <stop.right.there.net> wrote:
_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
Timberwoof wrote:
[... snip wolf poop ...]
That's an interesting anecdote... not!
I recall a Christian Priest or two who would molest
and sodomize young boys in their parish. These boys were dragged
to the church every Sunday
Talk about taking a leap! Man, you have some serious issues. Can
you stick to the subject?
No, he cannot. He has consistently shown that his motivation for
every post is to insult the person he's talking to. Once in a while
he actually says something that's true and on topic, but his posts
contain so much noise they're not worth the read, even for the
occasional entertainment value.
Yet you continue to read, and reply to them, eh numbnuts?
Q. E. D.
Ibid.
Now tell us again why Cops and Firetrucks should abandon
their LOUD sirens.
Hey, *****-for-brains, I'm not the one who advocated that.
So you agree that Loud Pipes Save Lives.
Glad you finally came around to reality.
Cite just one scientific study that supports your childish position or else
give it a rest. Your puerile mantra makes you look stupid. The idea that
unpleasant and uncalled for noise would contribute anything but contempt for
the maker is droll, but entirely inane. Mindless shitbirds like you have
likely contributed to the death of many sickle riders.
HTH....
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