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05 Jun 2004 04:32:01 PM |
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Re: A dead man is hardly god |
"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:41:43 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@aol.com> wrote:
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Which "God", I had a conversation with Dore and She claims that She is
"God".
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
Anyway how do you know that "God" knows what you say he does?
He knows everything.
He do? <G> Funny that the bible "God" didn't know that a talking snake was
going to entice "Eve" to eat his... ah, apple.
This is the often misunderstood doctrine of "original sin." It
really only refers the the "sin" of origin, i.e. his genetic makeup,
and refers not to "sin" as something he did but rather to something
he is, an animal that has been graced, or cursed, with self-awarness
and therefore the knowledge of his own inevitable death, yet driven
to survive at any cost. God had plans for this animal, Man. He
intended to raise man up from his animal nature to a Godlike nature.
Actually God has absolutely no plans for man, but man has many plans
for God.
Which "God", Dore?
You are correct, which "God" indeed!
Dore is much more qualified to be "God" than you bible "God". <G>
<snip>
Ok but I think that you should read the "Exorcist" first to find out
what really happened.
Huh?
Many think that the "Exorcist" was divinely inspired, writen by men guided
by God.
Kinda like a bible for the horror fan.
<snip>
A very good analogy, irrational but good nontheless.
Actually, super-rational.
Actually, just *****.
<snip>
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Jefferson was barely a Theist, and certainly not a Christian theologian.
History is full of brilliant Christian minds who have displayed
considerably more scholarship concerning God than Jefferson.
"Christian mind" = oxymoron.
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending some
special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have
their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints;
and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man
alike.
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or
the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to
Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by
divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran)
was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the
other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
'enry VIII
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06 Jun 2004 08:53:54 PM |
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<<liberation from redundancy>>
"Christian mind" = oxymoron.
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending some
special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have
their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints;
and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God was not open to every man
alike.
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or
the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to
Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by
divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran)
was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the
other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
'enry VIII
"I have thought fit to make this remark, with a view of suggesting to
you a consideration of great importance - whether you have examined
calmly and according to the best of your ability, the arguments by
which the truth of revealed religion may, in the judgment of learned,
and impartial men, be established? - You will allow, that thousands of
learned and impartial men, (I speak not of priests, who, however, are,
I trust, as learned and impartial as yourself, but of laymen of the
most splendid talents) - you will allow, that thousands of these, in
all ages have embraced revealed religion as true. Whether these men
have all been in an error, enveloped in the darkness of ignorance,
shackled by the chains of superstition, whilst you and a few others
have enjoyed light, and liberty, is a question I submit to the
decision of your readers."
AN APOLOGY FOR THE BIBLE;
IN A SERIES OF LETTERS, ADDRESSED TO THOMAS PAINE,
Author of a book entitled
The Age of Reason, Part the Second,
BEING AN INVESTIGATION OF TRUE and of FABULOUS THEOLOGY.
________________________________
BY R. WATSON, D.D.F.R.S., Lord Bishop of Landaff, and Regius Professor
of Divinity in the University of Cambridge
________________________________________
PHILADELPHIA
M, DCC, XCVI. 1796
Investing in reality,
Hector
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05 Jun 2004 05:06:42 PM |
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"'enry VIII" <enry@frn.com> wrote in
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"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:41:43 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
Which "God", I had a conversation with Dore and She claims that She
is "God".
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
This one :-)
I am the creator of this universe
The wind of time is blowing through me
And it's all moving relative to me,
It's a figment of my mind
In a world that I designed
Charged with cosmic energy
Has the world gone mad or is it me
I am the centre of this universe
And all that it was meant to be
So that we might learn to see this foolishness
that lives in us
And stupidity that we must suss
How to banish from our minds
If you call this living I must be blind.
( - Brock - Turner - )
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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05 Jun 2004 05:35:42 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:32:01 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@frn.com> wrote:
"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
<snip>
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
Never read that before.
<snip>
He knows everything.
He do? <G> Funny that the bible "God" didn't know that a talking snake
was going to entice "Eve" to eat his... ah, apple.
That might be a valid argument with a Fundamentalist who assumes a
literal interpretation of the Bible.
<snip>
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending
some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals.
The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their
apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God
was not open to every man alike.
Yes. It must be confusing for someone like youself who has such low
expectations for God.
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call
revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God
was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their
Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their
Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of
those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I
disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why is
imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were you
abused by a "christian?"
--
"Let me give you a definition of ethics: It is good to maintain and
further life; it is bad to damage and destroy life."
-- Albert Schweitzer
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| User: "enry VIII" |
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06 Jun 2004 12:49:20 PM |
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"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:32:01 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@frn.com> wrote:
"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
<snip>
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
Never read that before.
<snip>
He knows everything.
He do? <G> Funny that the bible "God" didn't know that a talking snake
was going to entice "Eve" to eat his... ah, apple.
That might be a valid argument with a Fundamentalist who assumes a
literal interpretation of the Bible.
<snip>
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending
some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals.
The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their
apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God
was not open to every man alike.
Yes. It must be confusing for someone like youself who has such low
expectations for God.
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call
revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God
was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their
Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their
Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of
those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I
disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why is
imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were you
abused by a "christian?"
No, I wasn't abused by a "christian", were you?
You seem to be spending as much time on this as I am. I enjoy reading and
posting about religion and attempting counter the arrogant and ignorant
fundies.
I was a Catholic, went to St. Patrick's Elementary school through 8th grade.
The teachers, Nuns and Priests were all kind and respectful people, I liked
them.
Never read a bible until I became an adult, never knew it contained so much
trash and just plain *****. Most Catholics that I have known, are pretty
regular people. Prostestant fundies on the other hand are fanatics, liars
and lunatics, a good portion of them that post here should probably be
committed to an insane asylum.
If you need a label I am probably close to being a Pantheist or Secular
Humanist, maybe even an Atheist, having decided yet.
I do enjoy reading Thomas Payne (Paine), he was a Deist and I agree with
much of what he wrote.
Thomas Jefferson also.
'enry VIII
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| User: "Albert" |
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06 Jun 2004 02:11:22 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:49:20 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@no.com> wrote:
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I was a Catholic, went to St. Patrick's Elementary school through 8th
grade.
<snip>
Never read a bible until I became an adult
<snip>
Then you were indeed mentally abused by "christians" as a child. How
else could you go through eight years in a religious school and not have
read the Bible. The Roman church is notorious for discouraging
independent Bible reading.
--
"Let me give you a definition of ethics: It is good to maintain and
further life; it is bad to damage and destroy life."
-- Albert Schweitzer
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| User: "enry VIII" |
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06 Jun 2004 06:40:13 PM |
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"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:49:20 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@no.com> wrote:
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else could you go through eight years in a religious school and not have
read the Bible. The Roman church is notorious for discouraging
independent Bible reading.
We used the CATECHISM and rightly so, the bible is nothing but
contradictions, half-truths, out and out lies and nonsense.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
Catholics are regular people, Protestants tend to be fools.
Only Protestants worship a book.
As you probably know Martin Luther is the father of the Protestant bible and
every bit as crazy as Dore:
Luther thought he was living in the end times. And that belief, that
conviction, was central to almost all that he did. Because his understanding
of scripture and the way he preached from the pulpit and what he wrote was
colored by the notion that the biblical story was also his story, and that
what was happening to him could be used to understand the story in the
Bible, but what was happening in the Bible could be used to explain what was
going on in his own day. And Revelation was the key to this. It was the
symbolic story that tells you how the whole thing is going to end.
Only Catholics are real Christians, Protestants have about 33,000 cults all
believing that only their cult knows the truth through their own
interpertation of the bible.
And you were the one being mentally abused by christians as it seems you
bought into the great lie, hook, line and sinker! <VBG>
"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest
miseries, that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this
thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most
dishonourable belief against the character of the divinity, the most
destructive to morality, and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was
propagated since man began to exist. It is better, far better, that we
admitted, if it were possible, a thousand devils to roam at large, and to
preach publicly the doctrine of devils, if there were any such, than that we
permitted one such impostor and monster as Moses, Joshua, Samuel, and the
Bible prophets, to come with the pretended word of God in his mouth, and
have credit among us.
Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women,
and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody persecutions,
and tortures unto death and religious wars, that since that time have laid
Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but from this impious thing
called revealed religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to
man? The lies of the Bible have been the cause of the one, and the lies of
the Testament [of] the other.
Some Christians pretend that Christianity was not established by the sword;
but of what period of time do they speak? It was impossible that twelve men
could begin with the sword: they had not the power; but no sooner were the
professors of Christianity sufficiently powerful to employ the sword than
they did so, and the stake and ***** too; and Mahomet could not do it
sooner. By the same spirit that Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's
servant (if the story be true) he would cut off his head, and the head of
his master, had he been able. Besides this, Christianity grounds itself
originally upon the [Hebrew] Bible, and the Bible was established altogether
by the sword, and that in the worst use of it --not to terrify, but to
extirpate. The Jews made no converts: they butchered all. The Bible is the
sire of the [New] Testament, and both are called the word of God. The
Christians read both books; the ministers preach from both books; and this
thing called Cliristianity is made up of both. It is then false to say that
Christianity was not established by the sword.
The only sect that has not persecuted are the Quakers; and the only reason
that can be given for it is, that they are rather Deists than Christians.
They do not believe much about Jesus Christ, and they call the scriptures a
dead letter. [This is an interesting and correct testimony as to the beliefs
of the earlier Quakers, one of whom was Paine's father.--Editer.] Had they
called them by a worse name, they had been nearer the truth."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
'enry VIII
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| User: "Jez" |
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07 Jun 2004 06:40:53 AM |
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"'enry VIII" <enry@no.com> wrote in message
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Catholics are regular people, Protestants tend to be fools.
Both are stupid, beliving in lies and myths.
Only Protestants worship a book.
LOL !
As you probably know Martin Luther is the father of the Protestant bible
and
every bit as crazy as Dore:
Luther thought he was living in the end times.
So did Jesus.
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Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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07 Jun 2004 09:12:06 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:40:53 +0100, "Jez"
<iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
"'enry VIII" <enry@no.com> wrote in message
news:xXNwc.60917$Ly.6818@attbi_s01...
Catholics are regular people, Protestants tend to be fools.
Both are stupid, beliving in lies and myths.
Only Protestants worship a book.
LOL !
As you probably know Martin Luther is the father of the Protestant bible
and
every bit as crazy as Dore:
Luther thought he was living in the end times.
So did Jesus.
So do the majoritity of today's fundies.
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| User: "Albert" |
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06 Jun 2004 09:19:07 PM |
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I reply to my own newsgroup.
--
"Let me give you a definition of ethics: It is good to maintain and
further life; it is bad to damage and destroy life."
-- Albert Schweitzer
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| User: "enry VIII" |
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06 Jun 2004 10:54:41 PM |
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"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
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I reply to my own newsgroup.
Good, run and hide, your "God" can't help you! <F>
'enry VIII
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| User: "Albert" |
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06 Jun 2004 09:21:14 PM |
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I reply to my own newsgroup.
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"Let me give you a definition of ethics: It is good to maintain and
further life; it is bad to damage and destroy life."
-- Albert Schweitzer
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| User: "bv_schornak" |
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05 Jun 2004 08:50:11 PM |
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Albert wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:32:01 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@frn.com> wrote:
"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
<snip>
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
Never read that before.
It's not about your private God, I guess...
<snip>
He knows everything.
He do? <G> Funny that the bible "God" didn't know that a talking snake
was going to entice "Eve" to eat his... ah, apple.
That might be a valid argument with a Fundamentalist who assumes a
literal interpretation of the Bible.
And anyone else owning a customized God...
<snip>
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending
some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals.
The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their
apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God
was not open to every man alike.
Yes. It must be confusing for someone like youself who has such low
expectations for God.
Probably you never heard of them before?
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call
revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God
was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their
Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their
Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of
those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I
disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
Because they did know much more than you what
they were talking about?
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why is
imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were you
abused by a "christian?"
Due to their intrusive sense of mission, they
don't need to "abuse" others. Their permanent
attempts to convert the entire world might be
disgusting enough...
Greetings from Augsburg
Bernhard Schornak
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| User: "Albert" |
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05 Jun 2004 09:00:22 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:50:11 +0100
bv_schornak <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote:
Albert wrote:
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American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
Because they did know much more than you what
they were talking about?
Certainly not. When I am concerned about theology I go to theologians.
When I am concerned with politics I go to politicians.
When I am concerned with spiritual things I go to God.
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why
is imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were
you abused by a "christian?"
Due to their intrusive sense of mission, they
don't need to "abuse" others. Their permanent
attempts to convert the entire world might be
disgusting enough...
Has it never crossed your mind that your own intrusive sense of mission
is what draws them to you? Have you not in your own post argued for
your own personal religion of Atheism?
--
"Let me give you a definition of ethics: It is good to maintain and
further life; it is bad to damage and destroy life."
-- Albert Schweitzer
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| User: "bv_schornak" |
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06 Jun 2004 07:26:21 AM |
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Albert wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:50:11 +0100
bv_schornak <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote:
Albert wrote:
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American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
Because they did know much more than you what
they were talking about?
Certainly not. When I am concerned about theology I go to theologians.
When I am concerned with politics I go to politicians.
When I am concerned with spiritual things I go to God.
Where is his office? I would like to talk with this God!
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why
is imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were
you abused by a "christian?"
Due to their intrusive sense of mission, they
don't need to "abuse" others. Their permanent
attempts to convert the entire world might be
disgusting enough...
Has it never crossed your mind that your own intrusive sense of mission
is what draws them to you? Have you not in your own post argued for
your own personal religion of Atheism?
I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that? And, if I subscribe to a NG with the
name alt.philosophy.humanism, then I do not expect it is
filled with religious flame wars. OTOH - if so, then I'm
adding my own thoughts to the one or other posting, if I
think it contains too much nonsense (or is something I'm
interested in). Following humanitarian thought, it is my
goal to stop people from brainwashing others with stupid
ideologies. Every human has the right to believe in what
s/he wants. Implies: No one has the right to proselytise
others. Religions always try to get control over people.
Exactly the opposite of what I stand for - _independent_
thinking and humans who feel responsible for their deeds
themselves (no absolutions - the forgiving is up to us).
Greetings from Augsburg
Bernhard Schornak
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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09 Jun 2004 04:52:07 AM |
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"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
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I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that?
That is a lie, for EVERYONE has gods whether he is aware of them or not.
Your god or devil is whatever dominates your life. In Biblical terms it's
called possession. People are possessed / enslaved by spirits / attitudes
etc. To say you are neutral in all things, believing in nothing nor caring
about anything nor anyone, must be false, unless you are simply not human.
And, if I subscribe to a NG with the
name alt.philosophy.humanism, then I do not expect it is
filled with religious flame wars. OTOH - if so, then I'm
adding my own thoughts to the one or other posting, if I
think it contains too much nonsense (or is something I'm
interested in). Following humanitarian thought, it is my
goal to stop people from brainwashing others with stupid
ideologies.
"Stupid" in whose opinion? Yours? LOL
Every human has the right to believe in what
s/he wants. Implies: No one has the right to proselytise
others.
WRONG!!! You are attempting to limit my access to knowledge. EVERYONE
has the right to proselytize his beliefs and seek converts to his cause.
It's called freedom of speech, and I have the right to enter your home
uninvited via various media and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap
washes whiter than white of sin. The only right / freedom you have is to
neither look nor listen, not limit my right / freedom of speech.
Religions always try to get control over people.
Apart from laws concerning marriage, public nudity, coitus etc. which
may be considered resting on religious beliefs, the "control" is voluntary,
not obligatory.
Exactly the opposite of what I stand for - _independent_
thinking and humans who feel responsible for their deeds
themselves (no absolutions - the forgiving is up to us).
You wouldn't want to live in a society where everyone does whatever he
feels like and in total disregard of your opinion, wishes and rights,
because you are not permitted to express those.
YOU may "feel responsible for your own deeds" but most will blame
someone else for his "deeds". Also, you may forgive yourself, i.e.
absolution, as much as you want, but what use is that if you don't believe
yourself forgiven? Like the village drunks said: I know that God, man and
myself have forgiven me, but I cannot make myself believe that I am
forgiven, that is why I seek a painless death by alcohol poisoning.
Jesus came for these, not for the self-justified, like yourself. See
below
--
Pastor Frank
**Jesus in Mk:2:17: When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are
whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to
call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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| User: "Gwar" |
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09 Jun 2004 07:05:42 AM |
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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I have the right to enter your home uninvited via various media
and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap washes whiter than
white of sin.
It's sociopathic to assume that one has the right to enter into anybody's
house, by any means, to do whatever.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Jun 2004 09:57:06 AM |
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"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSF.4.31.0406090416390.53811-100000@localhost...
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I have the right to enter your home uninvited via various media
and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap washes whiter than
white of sin.
It's sociopathic to assume that one has the right to enter into anybody's
house, by any means, to do whatever.
Oh? Have you had any success at all stopping the unwanted and
interminable advertising on your TV, or the delivery of junk-mail, or the
Radio ads etc. etc. ? If you have, apart from total isolation from
civilization, tell us. Most of us are willing to try anything to get control
over what we hear and see.
Pastor Frank
**Jesus in Lk:6:26: Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for
so did their fathers to the false prophets
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| User: "Gwar" |
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15 Jun 2004 12:36:05 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I have the right to enter your home uninvited via various media
and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap washes whiter than
white of sin.
It's sociopathic to assume that one has the right to enter into anybody's
house, by any means, to do whatever.
Oh? Have you had any success at all stopping the unwanted and
interminable advertising on your TV, or the delivery of junk-mail, or the
Radio ads etc. etc. ?
You use two devices that are readily available: the off switch & the
waste basket. As for your shenanigans, I pick what I want to comment on.
And the rest of it I ignore.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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16 Jun 2004 06:28:18 AM |
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"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSF.4.31.0406142228350.82921-100000@localhost...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I have the right to enter your home uninvited via various media
and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap washes whiter than
white of sin.
It's sociopathic to assume that one has the right to enter into
anybody's
house, by any means, to do whatever.
Oh? Have you had any success at all stopping the unwanted and
interminable advertising on your TV, or the delivery of junk-mail, or
the
Radio ads etc. etc. ?
You use two devices that are readily available: the off switch & the
waste basket. As for your shenanigans, I pick what I want to comment on.
And the rest of it I ignore.
That does not negate what I said, nor provides a reason for what you
claimed above. "Sociopath" indeed!!!!!!!
--
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "bv_schornak" |
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09 Jun 2004 04:51:48 PM |
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Gwar wrote:
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:
... I have the right to enter your home uninvited via various media
and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap washes whiter than
white of sin.
It's sociopathic to assume that one has the right to enter into anybody's
house, by any means, to do whatever.
But it's happening (ads in general -> TV, radio, internet...).
Greetings from Augsburg
Bernhard Schornak
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| User: "bv_schornak" |
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09 Jun 2004 08:32:16 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
news:c9uun9$bbv$04$1@news.t-online.com...
I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that?
That is a lie, for EVERYONE has gods whether he is aware of them or not.
Your god or devil is whatever dominates your life.
My life is dominated by humans who make profit
with the work I achive. All good Christians...
In Biblical terms it's
called possession. People are possessed / enslaved by spirits / attitudes
etc. To say you are neutral in all things, believing in nothing nor caring
about anything nor anyone, must be false, unless you are simply not human.
I'm not neutral - I'm not "possessed", either.
I "believe" in Freedom for every human.
And, if I subscribe to a NG with the
name alt.philosophy.humanism, then I do not expect it is
filled with religious flame wars. OTOH - if so, then I'm
adding my own thoughts to the one or other posting, if I
think it contains too much nonsense (or is something I'm
interested in). Following humanitarian thought, it is my
goal to stop people from brainwashing others with stupid
ideologies.
"Stupid" in whose opinion? Yours? LOL
Of course mine, don't have a control-instance.
Every human has the right to believe in what
s/he wants. Implies: No one has the right to proselytise
others.
WRONG!!! You are attempting to limit my access to knowledge.
Would you please explain this thought?
EVERYONE
has the right to proselytize his beliefs and seek converts to his cause.
Partially agreed.
It's called freedom of speech, and I have the right to enter your home
uninvited via various media and sell you the belief, that my Christian Soap
washes whiter than white of sin. The only right / freedom you have is to
neither look nor listen, not limit my right / freedom of speech.
Or to give arguments against it? ;)
Ok, as I said above - partially agreed.
Religions always try to get control over people.
Apart from laws concerning marriage, public nudity, coitus etc. which
may be considered resting on religious beliefs,
Also known to other cultures who don't believe
in the same God (or no God at all) - these are
some basic rules of most societies.
the "control" is voluntary,
not obligatory.
Reality looks different. E.g.: Christian credo
is part of Western societies, Islam is part of
Arabic societies, et cetera - the influence of
these credos is much deeper than "voluntary".
Exactly the opposite of what I stand for - _independent_
thinking and humans who feel responsible for their deeds
themselves (no absolutions - the forgiving is up to us).
You wouldn't want to live in a society where everyone does whatever he
feels like and in total disregard of your opinion, wishes and rights,
because you are not permitted to express those.
The rights and plights are valid for every hu-
man being. Personal freedom ends if the rights
of someone else are violated. It's not so much
different from what we have now - except these
rules apply to every person, including our de-
cision makers.
YOU may "feel responsible for your own deeds" but most will blame
someone else for his "deeds". Also, you may forgive yourself, i.e.
absolution, as much as you want, but what use is that if you don't believe
yourself forgiven? Like the village drunks said: I know that God, man and
myself have forgiven me, but I cannot make myself believe that I am
forgiven, that is why I seek a painless death by alcohol poisoning.
Jesus came for these, not for the self-justified, like yourself. See
below
Rabbi Yoshua died about 2,000 years ago.
What about that:
..globl _SLen
_SLen:
pushl %ebp
movl %esp,%ebp
pushl %ecx
xorl %eax,%eax
pushl %edi
movl $-1,%ecx
movl 0x08(%ebp),%edi
repne
scasb
subl $2,%eax
subl %ecx,%eax
popl %edi
popl %ecx
leave
ret
[ST-V500-str.S-SLen]
Something more useful than simple words - does
return the length of a passed string. You will
not find such practical real world programs in
the thick book you always quote from! Just use
the spell "a = SLen(s);", and "a" will contain
the amount of characters contained in "s"...
....a miracle, isn't it?
Greetings from Augsburg
Truckdriver Bernhard
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Member of the official "Pastor Frank" fanclub
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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10 Jun 2004 08:28:51 PM |
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bv_schornak wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
news:c9uun9$bbv$04$1@news.t-online.com...
I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that?
That is a lie, for EVERYONE has gods whether he is aware of them or not.
Your god or devil is whatever dominates your life.
===>That is one of your typical Sheepherderisms, never-frank fake
"pastor". Untrue, as all your other ASSertions. -- L.
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10 Jun 2004 10:15:23 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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bv_schornak wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
news:c9uun9$bbv$04$1@news.t-online.com...
I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that?
That is a lie, for EVERYONE has gods whether he is aware of them or
not.
Your god or devil is whatever dominates your life.
What a sad, pathetic life you live.
--
ArWeGod
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11 Jun 2004 12:52:27 PM |
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ArWeGod wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:40C90AD3.6C91A4F4@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
bv_schornak wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message
news:c9uun9$bbv$04$1@news.t-online.com...
I do not have any religion. I neither deny nor do I wor-
ship Gods. These things are boring for me - are you able
to understand that?
That is a lie, for EVERYONE has gods whether he is aware of them or
not.
Your god or devil is whatever dominates your life.
What a sad, pathetic life you live.
--
ArWeGod
===>You left my name in your post, but there is not even one line
there that originated with Libertarius. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Jun 2004 10:54:30 PM |
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Albert wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:32:01 GMT
"'enry VIII" <enry@frn.com> wrote:
"Albert" <alwagner@tcac.net> wrote in message
<snip>
The Creator of the Universe, the prime-mover of the Big Bang.
This one?
I am the creator of the Universe.
I am the Father and Mother of the Universe.
Everything came from me.
Everything shall return to me.
Mind, spirit and body are my temples,
for the Self to realize in them
My Supreme Being and Becoming.
Maitreya
Never read that before.
<snip>
He knows everything.
He do? <G> Funny that the bible "God" didn't know that a talking snake
was going to entice "Eve" to eat his... ah, apple.
That might be a valid argument with a Fundamentalist who assumes a
literal interpretation of the Bible.
===>Believers who find it embarrassing have always tried to
"interpret" it allegorically. (See PHILO of Alexandria).
<snip>
EVERY national church or religion has established itself by pretending
some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals.
The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their
apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet; as if the way to God
was not open to every man alike.
Yes. It must be confusing for someone like youself who has such low
expectations for God.
===>People who believe, unlike Spinoza, that their "GOD" is less than the
Cosmic Totality are the ones who have the "low expectation".
"Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call
revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God
was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their
Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their
Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of
those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I
disbelieve them all."
Thomas Payne (Age of Reason)
American revolutionaries were apparently all very poor theologians.
===>They were realistic, clear thinkers, who saw through the clerical
deception. -- L.
Tell me Enry. Why does this issue consume so much of your time? Why is
imperative to you that all belief in God be extinguished? Were you
abused by a "christian?"
===>I will let 'enry answer that silly question.
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